so we have seen two flash forwards so far and we know only 3 of the Oceanic 6 - who else is there and why only 6?

Kate (him)
Hurley
Jack

this is not a thread for Kate's reference to him

ETA:

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My bet is Claire (and her baby) because Desmond said she got on the plane. And Jin and Sun.

My bet is Claire (and her baby) because Desmond said she got on the plane. And Jin and Sun.

Uh, that's 7.

Yeah, Claire and Aaron have to be one of the ones that get off. Otherwise Charlie died for nothing.

Why only six? I sense from Hurley's comments that those that aren't the Oceanic Six are still on the island and ok. Didn't we hear "he wants us to come back" or something of that nature. and I felt the comment was refering to locke. I think this is an interesting question...why only six.

Jack was destined to misunderstand why they needed to stay. Kate chooses to stick by Jack. That Hurley finds himself in a flashforward is really perplexing. Hurley seems to be the type that would be easily convinced to stay. His life back home was killer.

I really have no idea. Sawyer? Claire, I hope.

I think it will be awhile before we find out who the other 3 are because one of them may have been the one in the coffin in the season finally, well if thats the case at least we know one of them was a man? And maybe his name was different because of all the publicity surounding the "oceanic six"?

Is it possible that the Oceanic 6 were NOT the ones who chose they would leave? Maybe our new characters CHOSE who would go back?

I am interested in knowing who people thought got off the island?

Kate, Jack, Hurley, who ever was in the coffin, that leaves 2 alive?

Any guesses?

SPOILER!!!!!!!!!

The Oceanic Six are Jack, Hurley, Kate, Sayid, Jin and Sun

Do you really want to know??? ;)

Is it possible that the Oceanic 6 were NOT the ones who chose they would leave? Maybe our new characters CHOSE who would go back?

It also seems clear that the 6 got off the island somehow, but the real authorities never found the island, the other survivors or Boone hill.

We found this out a while back.

*warning Spoiler!!!*

Jack Kate Sayid Hurley Jin Sun

It doesnt make sense to me with the Des vision thing but *shrug*

SPOILER!!!!!!!!!

The Oceanic Six are Jack, Hurley, Kate, Sayid, Jin and Sun

I find it hard to believe that anyone could get Sayid to go along with a possible "we're the only ones who survived the crash story".

What about Desmond's vision that Claire makes it off the island "when the helicopters come"? All of his other visions came to pass.*****

I find it hard to believe that anyone could get Sayid to go along with a possible "we're the only ones who survived the crash story".

What about Desmond's vision that Claire makes it off the island "when the helicopters come"? All of his other visions came to pass.

Desmond saw Claire and Aaron getting in the helicopter, that does not mean that they get back to "civilization". Maybe the freighter takes them somewhere else...*****

They dug up Paulo and Nikki (i think that's their names).... nah maybe not.:)

Please don't discuss spoilers. Its pretty obvious to figure out a few of the people with it being discussed.

Im guessing Kate, Juliet, Rose, Bernard, Hurley, & Jack

what about walt & micheal?????

SPOILER!!!!!!!!!

The Oceanic Six are Jack, Hurley, Kate, Sayid, Jin and Sun

Interesting...Three from each camp.

Please be careful about discussing the spoilers. If you want to talk spoilers, please take it to the spoiler section.

-Jack
-Kate
-Hurley
-The "he" Kate mentioned in TTLG
-Claire
-Aaron

In Greatest Hits, Desmond told Charlie he had a flash of Claire and Aaron getting into a helicopter and leaving the island.

-Claire
-Aaron

In Greatest Hits, Desmond told Charlie he had a flash of Claire and Aaron getting into a helicopter and leaving the island.

Nice catch! It has to be Claire and Aaron!

My bet is Claire (and her baby) because Desmond said she got on the plane.

Desmond said Claire and Aaron would be rescued as a result of Charlie's actions. But he had no idea WHEN the rescue would happen. I think Claire and Aaron are the main reasons FutureJack wants to get back to the island so badly.

We found this out a while back.

*warning Spoiler!!!*

Jack Kate Sayid Hurley Jin Sun

It doesnt make sense to me with the Des vision thing but *shrug*

Ooooh, we did? When?

If Juliet gets off the island, she would not be part of the plane crash, and, therefore, could not be one of the Oceanic 6. So, there could be more people getting off the island than 6.

IMHO.

Very good point. Any "others" who get off the island, if any do, would have to be explained differently.

However, I don't believe any others will be making it off the island. It is looking to me right now like the freighties are members of Dharma revived, or Hanso, or some other such interested group who, until the explosion of the hatch, had no way to locate the island. But, of course, they will be very interested to know why they have not gotten any communication in so many years from their colleagues on the island, being unaware of the purge.

Or, perhaps Locke's entering 77 could have somehow gotten the message to them that there had been an incursion by the hostiles.

Either way, I think they're back to check up on the large investment they've made in the past on the island, and back to reestablish the research colony, if necessary. In that case, the others aren't likely to be the recipients of much mercy, are they?

Does anyone besides me think that one of the six has to be in the coffin?

So, Kate, Jack, Hurley, dead person, he ( kate's significant other) and one other.

Where is this theory weak?

Obviously the first three are Jack, Kate and Hurley. The pattern I see there is that those three had the crappiest lives before the island and had the least to return to. Perhaps the other three follow the same pattern.

Sawyer should be on the list then if that's true.

My big question at the end of the ep was who are the other three? and there's a lot more gonna happen before they leave, obviously. It's not just one camp vs. the other camp, since Hurley went with Locke, and not with Jack & Kate. So how come only 6 and is coffin-person one of the O6 or someone else?

so many questions, again, still................... argh. is it next Thursday yet?

I keep wondering why Kate left at all. She knew that the authorities are after her. Maybe because Sawyer gave her the old "nothing to go back to":confused:

Sawyer should be on the list then if that's true.

Yes Sawyer definitely. I would have said Charlie as well but he's dead...Who else had crappy lives before the island?

As for why? I think the "rescuers" hand-selected those 6 to return, somehow promising positive changes to their lives in exchange for other Losties remaining on the island.

I kind of feel like they didn't leave out of their own free will. Like they were forced to leave. Perhaps "taken."

Good questions Danni and wanders....

More questions than answers...as usual.

Kate, Jack and Hurley...mystery person in the coffin....who else leaves, who stays behind, who doesn't make it at all? :rolleyes:

This maybe a little off-topic, but has anyone noticed what really looks like a number "6" in the LOST promo poster? It's in the water just below the reflection of the city skyline?

What about Michael and Walt? Does anyone think that they make it home? If so, then they would have to be part of the six, leaving just one more spot open.

I just can't see Sawyer wanting to stay there (unless he dies somehow), Sun really wants to get off to have her baby. I guess I just feel like there is going to have to be an awful lot of death going on, because I can't see many characters switching and wanting to stay. Perhaps it ends up of more like the people who don't get to stay don't have a choice (I can see the 6 in a heliocopter being transported away because they were the first there (there is some sort of time crunch and the helio is leavin STAT) and the other people left behind staring up at them and yelling in anger). Therefore, in the end they all chose to save themselves....

My husband thinks that (if there is going to be an official end to this season) at the end of this season it will be the 6 (or who ever is left) getting back to the island. I don't know if I buy that though...

Does anyone besides me think that one of the six has to be in the coffin?

So, Kate, Jack, Hurley, dead person, he ( kate's significant other) and one other.

Where is this theory weak?


The Oceanic 6 became celebrities, Michael wouldn't have been with them since he left earlier. He is now a strong candidate for the body in the coffin.

This is not a real theory, but I wonder if the Oceanic 6 means that there are only six people who left the island... which seems most likely.

or

There were more than six people who got off the island, but there are only six now. Like, maybe it was originally the Oceanic 12, but some have died in various ways and now there are only six left... which I doubt.

or

Only FOUR people got off the island: Jack, Kate, Hurley, and ___________???

PLUS

Michael and Walt made it to safety and they make up the other two of the Oceanic 6, which would be a pretty cool idea.

i'm guessing it may have been a 'you' pick five people to be saved. the rest will be left behind which is why they're being 'haunted' or suffering from the guilt over the fact that they left their friends to die.

Jin had a crappy life as henchman to Sun's dad.
Sun had a crappy life because she was married to a henchman.

I Don't think they would count Aaron one of the oceanic 6, so my guess is Kate, Jack, Hurley, Sun & Jin (they HAVE to leave or Sun is gonna die), and Claire (with Aaron who wouldn't be counted) but we'll see. Claire could decide to stay.

I would say Sun and Jin are four and five because of Sun's pregnancy. She needs to leave the island in order to live.. but no idea who the sixth might be...

Does anyone besides me think that one of the six has to be in the coffin?

So, Kate, Jack, Hurley, dead person, he ( kate's significant other) and one other.

Where is this theory weak?

Maybe, but I still think it's Michael.

The Oceanic 6 became celebrities, Michael wouldn't have been with them since he left earlier. He is now a strong candidate for the body in the coffin.

He's always been a strong candidate, imo. Makes the most sense and matches the "facts" the most - artist, teenage son, no one attending funeral are three that come to mind.

I Don't think they would count Aaron one of the oceanic 6, so my guess is Kate, Jack, Hurley, Sun & Jin (they HAVE to leave or Sun is gonna die), and Claire (with Aaron who wouldn't be counted) but we'll see. Claire could decide to stay.

Agree. But I don't think Claire would stay. She may have wanted to at first but I bet Jack talks her into leaving.


I think Sawyer stays on the island, Kate has to get home to her child, which will be Sawyer's, and he (the child) grows up trying to find his father. ;)

I don't know that having a "crappy life" has anything to do with who left and who stayed. Over the course of three seasons, I've been led to believe that all of the survivors (at least the main character survivors) had fairly crappy lives, and I wouldn't say that one was necessarily worse than another. I think it's something else.

I like the idea that maybe there were six people chosen and the rest were left on the island, and the six who made it back are not at liberty to speak about it.

I also wonder if maybe there were only six surviviors who, after all that time on the island, had yet to contract "the sickness", and the rest had to be left there in quarantine. Like one of those lab rat experiments.

First of all, they ALL had crappy lives before.

Desmond saw Claire and Aaron getting on the helicopter in his vision.

First of all, they ALL had crappy lives before.

Desmond saw Claire and Aaron getting on the helicopter in his vision.

Oh snap, that's right. Claire and Aaron are five and six, right? Could Desmond perhaps be #6?

Part of me thinks that Sun goes and ends up dead anyway.

Also, with all the Desmond vision speculation, we know that those don't necessrily come true. I think there's going to be a lot in between now and the time they get on. Plus, with Hurley saying that he wishes he hadn't stayed with Locke. Makes me wonder if there was a second rescue that didn't go so well.

I guess Juliet isn't one of them? Surprised no one has speculated her yet ...

Jeez, these writers are killing us!!! Now another question that we will mull over in our minds until we get the answer. I will guess only one person, Sun. I really believe that she will get off of the island and have her baby. As for the other 2, I haven't really been able to settle on any one person yet.

SPOILER!!!!!!!!!

The Oceanic Six are Jack, Hurley, Kate, Sayid, Jin and Sun

Fierro,

May I inquire as to the source of the spoiler? I'm not doubting you, just curious as to how you learned the information.

Thanks!

My question is do Claire and Aaron count as 2? It's a weird question I know, but maybe they wouldn't count Aaron because he's a baby? I don't know. I ask because I'm assuming that Sun and Jin leave because of their baby, and that Claire and Aaron leave because Desmond saw that, but that would make 7, if Aaron counted as 1.

I don't think the 6 that got off had much of a choice in the matter. I will bet ten bucks they were manipulated into it which is why Jack says they have to stop lying (per Jack in TTLG) or why Hurley says - you thought I'd tell didn't you. So however the 6 got off it wasn't easy or their choice. I don't think the "coffin" person is one of the 6 or it would have been much more publicized. My theory- Michael & Walt got off the island seperately from the Oceanic 6 and were forced to lead lives "off the radar" and Michael is the dead one in the coffin. But just my theory. As for the other three I definately think Sun and Jin have to be part of them because she got pregnant on the island and they may have wanted to bring her back to study her pregnancy. As for the 6th one I will just say it is DEFINATELY not Locke since he would never leave!

any guesses for Juliet and/or Desmond are bound to be wrong as they were not on Oceanic 815

now that does not mean they cannot get off the island at some time...

and don't discount the Desmond vision of Claire possibly being AFTER the flashforwards we've already seen, so that she could get off the island and not be one of the Oceanic 6

The '6' are being named as if it were common knowledge already. could someone please say where this 'hard intell' came from?

I was going to make an 'educated guess' based upon the publically posted (non-spoiler) names of the upcoming episodes and who they are 'centric' of:


We already have Jack(1), and he seems to be in everyone's 'flash forwards'
epi 1 last night: Hurley(2), we know Kate makes it back (3). I think her "him" is the cop she married/lived with, not a "6" member.

] epi. 3: Sayid (4)
epi 4: Kate (we know already anyway; i think her 'him' is the cop she married/lived with.)

epi 5 & 6 are centric to Desmond and Juliet. They are not from the original 815 crash, so don't count into the '6', but may well have come home as well, and could be key to ever getting back to Lostia.

epi 7: Jin and Sun; making the 5th and 6th Oceanic crash survivors.(Babies rarely count in these sort of things)

epi. 8 is about Micheal; who i think is the person in the coffin. The episode title is "meet Kevin Johnson", likely Micheal's new assumed name.

We went thru all the many clues re. the 'man in the coffin' last season, including parts of the obit that were visible by posters with hi-def TV's and freeze-frames. Most of the clues point to it being Micheal.

Could you please put those in spoiler tags?? I really did not want to know that information.

JPolarBear, please review our rules regarding spoilers ASAP - all information about upcoming episodes must be spoiler fonted! That includes the names of the episodes, who they feature etc.

BuffyMars, please report posts like that in the future instead of just posting in the thread. That way we can take care of the spoiler before other posters accidently read the spoiler (like I just did... *sighs*).

ETA: And while I'm at it - editing a post after a mod did to undo whatever changes a mod did? Not a good idea at all!

Ok, I will. Thanks!

I'm gonna throw this out there. What if Kate is not one of "the six" that everyone refers to.

1. Both Jack and Hurley make reference to being part of the six, Kate does not.

2. When her and Jack meet a the end of season three it is at a the end of the airport runway which is where you might meet if you didn't want anyone (like an oceanic attorney) to know you even knew each other. If she was part of the six this doesn't seem like it would be an issue.

If she were to get off the island somehow undetected by the rescuers she would need to go into hiding and not be able to reveal the fact that she ever got off.

I don't know if it would be possible for people not to know that Kate was from Oceanic. The way the media is now? They'd know. Also, I don't think Kate would have referred to herself that way to Jack, you know?

The '6' are being named as if it were common knowledge already. could someone please say where this 'hard intell' came from?

I was going to make an 'educated guess' based upon the publically posted (non-spoiler) names of the upcoming episodes and who they are 'centric' of:

We already have Jack(1), and he seems to be in everyone's 'flash forwards'
epi 1 last night: Hurley(2), we know Kate makes it back (3). I think her "him" is the cop she married/lived with, not a "6" member.

epi. 3: Sayid (4)
epi 4: Kate (we know already anyway; i think her 'him' is the cop she married/lived with.)

epi 5 & 6 are centric to Desmond and Juliet. They are not from the original 815 crash, so don't count into the '6', but may well have come home as well, and could be key to ever getting back to Lostia.

epi 7: Jin and Sun; making the 5th and 6th Oceanic crash survivors.(Babies rarely count in these sort of things)

epi. 8 is about Micheal; who i think is the person in the coffin. The episode title is "meet Kevin Johnson", likely Micheal's new assumed name.

We went thru all the many clues re. the 'man in the coffin' last season, including parts of the obit that were visible by posters with hi-def TV's and freeze-frames. Most of the clues point to it being Micheal.

you know, i don't think you are comprehending the NOT EDITING your post over a mod edit. again you have edited your post. i don't care is you were adding another comment to it but you also changed the spoiler fonting that a mod had added to suit you likings. again this is not allowed.

Hurley mentioned this title when arrested by cops after being chased. "Wait, wait, I'm one of the Oceanic Six." This could mean that only six of the survivors left the island, and Charlie apppeared to Hurley to tell him that the rest " Needed him". If so, what happened to all the others?

They stayed on the Island?

i am surprised more people aren't talking about this yet. if there are only six, does everyone else die? stay on the island? and who are the six? we know kate, jack and hurley, but who else? i was thinking claire because of desmond's vision, but we only know that she gets on a helicopter, not much else from the vision...

Not sure where you've been but people have been talking about this plenty.

I am of the opinion that the ones left behind were left there because they wanted to be left there, as suggested by the new division between Locke & Jack. The only thing is, why was Hugo apologizing to Jack for going with Locke and if he did go with Locke, how did he end up back with jack and eventually, off the island?

why was Hugo apologizing to Jack for going with Locke and if he did go with Locke, how did he end up back with jack and eventually, off the island?
I think this goes to show that it isn't neccessarily all of Jack's group that gets off and all of Locke's group that stays.
As for who the other 3 "Oceanic 6" are, let's bear in mind that the ones who are most eager to get off the island would include Claire (and her baby) so she can raise her child in a more normal environment, and Sun (Jin would follow her) because she risks dying if she stays,
Desmond would be eager to get off the island and back to Penny. He wasn't on the flight, but the media might be lazy and include him in the "Oceanic 6". Same with Juliette who has had enough of the island.
But it's not neccessarily the ones who most want to get off the island who do so.
And the identity of the "Oceanic 6" ties in with another mystery: who was in the coffin in "Through The Looking Glass"? We know it wasn't Jack or Kate. Was it one of the other 6, or could it be someone we haven't even met yet?

....and apparently they are very hush hush about anyone else alive on the island.

So between now and the end of the series we find out why only 6 people get off the island and why only six and why they will not discuss it to the public and not go back.

Very intriguing!

I don't think Claire and Aaron get off the island. When Desmond was talking about seeing them get in a helicopter, we never saw "footage" of that vision. We saw all of Desmond's other visions, but not that particular part. That makes me think he just said that to get Charlie to go to the looking glass, because he somehow knew only Charlie could stop the jamming device.

I definitely agree that the 6 didn't go willingly, or didn't have a choice of who got off the island, otherwise they never would have left Claire and Aaron there.

And if it was Michael in the coffin, where was Walt at the funeral??

Again, more questions than answers!

I don't think Claire and Aaron get off the island. When Desmond was talking about seeing them get in a helicopter, we never saw "footage" of that vision. We saw all of Desmond's other visions, but not that particular part. That makes me think he just said that to get Charlie to go to the looking glass, because he somehow knew only Charlie could stop the jamming device.

I definitely agree that the 6 didn't go willingly, or didn't have a choice of who got off the island, otherwise they never would have left Claire and Aaron there.
Two excellent points. I wondered why we didn't see that flash, while they made a point of showing all of his other ones. And that theory about them being forced to leave is brilliant.

Yeah, that's an interesting question.. who were the others that got rescued? My guess: CLAIRE (including Aaron), JIN, and SUN.

And than the other question.. Who were pulled from the wreckage? (Jack was saying to Kate that they were still pulling people from the wreckage in the ending of Season 3, what could that mean?) Remember the island did save them from dieing in the plane crash.. their fate changed.. and now that some of them were rescued and are living they have to deal with the consequences of their fate. Were they meant to die in that plane crash? (I think that was their fate.. but the island changed it for them. Charlie died drowning.. makes you wonder if he actually drowned in the plane? and was later pulled from the wreckage)

Most of these people I think had died already in the plane, but were saved by the island.. Desmond's flashes must have been mirroring certain people's actual fate (reality from off the island).

and also.. (I have more questions.. and possible answers that others may have talked about in other threads)

Which makes you think now.. why Hurley regretted going with Locke and not staying with Jack to get rescued. (Yeah.. how did Hurley get rescued if he was with Locke? He must have ran off to get rescued? or was found?) Were they destined to stay on the island, or leave? Was it really Locke's fate to stay? It was really their decision.. I think. Locke knew if he went back, he wouldn't be living much of a meaningful life, would he? What could he go back to? His boring box company job.. his life he didn't like and couldn't enjoy. That is why he stayed.. the island made him feel like he could actually do something with his life.. he could walk as well. No one can't tell him what he can and can not do..

Both Jack and Hurley's mental/emotional state had changed after they had left the island. Jack turned to drinking (like his dad).. started taking medication.. has been losing it. Was that his fate? No. Things changed off the island from being on the island (the many events that occurred there).

Hurley felt more safe and secure at the mental hospital than living a life on his own. (Was this his fate? No. He just can't deal with the islands hauntings so he had to go there. The fate of him winning the lottery turned against him. He was actually cursed with those numbers. Belongs with the island.) Which makes you think if they also belong with the island? because the plane crashed there?

Jack chose to live with it and deal with it on his own. They may both have regrets on leaving, and feel like they have to continue living a lie. If they both actually came out and told people what had happened and what they seen on the island, Jack would probably be sharing a spot with Hurley in the institution. Would anyone believe them?

Also, if they told anyone, they would probably spread the word on to so many people.. including the media.. the FBI..and so forth and they would try to look for the island themselves, and they wouldn't want that to happen. They fear.. things could change for the worst.. their lives could change.. the world possibly could change.. who knows what could happen? Who knows how powerful the island really is? Be interesting to find out those things.. so many questions to be answered..

I love it! That's why I love this show!! lol

Is it too easy for the coffin to be Michael? It seems to set up. Please don't go PC police on me... but the funeral is in a black neighborhood. The funeral home guy is black... However he asks Jack (a white guy)..."friend or FAMILY" ???

I don't think that Walt and Michael are part of the Oceanic 6. They got off the island WAY before Jack + 5. We don't even know what year or time bearded Jack is in.

Speaking of witch.. Sun and Jin would definiely want off b/c of the baby. Jin is on the plane with Jack (sitting behind him) in TTLG...I can't tell if that is Sun next to him or not. I'm assuming that Sun's off with Jin.

So... Jack, Kate, Sun, Jin, Hurley and ______ If Claire and Aaron...or a minimum Aaron don't make it off...Charlie in some respect died in vain. Not nice writers. So I'd have to say it was Claire and Aaron doesn't count as 6.

I was just thinkin about that oceanic 6 thing.. and i noticed that almost everyone (if not really everyone) believes that locke isn't one of the 6.

i'm starting to believe he is.. because of how obvious it is that he is not one of them lol
and the funeral could've been his..
locke had "no family left" ..or friends.. therefore..no one would be at his funeral..

but this is just me thinkin :biggrin:

I was just thinkin about that oceanic 6 thing.. and i noticed that almost everyone (if not really everyone) believes that locke isn't one of the 6.

i'm starting to believe he is.. because of how obvious it is that he is not one of them lol
and the funeral could've been his..
locke had "no family left" ..or friends.. therefore..no one would be at his funeral..

but this is just me thinkin :biggrin:

According to spoilers

Locke is not one of the Oceanic 6

Alright...to summarize all the ideas (not the spoilers) and my personal observations:

-In TTLG I immediately thought Locke, because of Kate's cold response; but after reading the above replies, I believe it to be Michael (a friend, but also a traitor). His choices/parenting abilities/allegiances haven't always been great, so Walt could be either estranged or dead at the time of the funeral.

-Desmond/Juliet weren't on the plane, Michael & Walt left early; they don't count

-We have forgotten about Kate's baby--that is the "he" she has to return to in TTLG, not a 'six' member

-That leaves Jack and Hugo, and four unknowns (we'll get to Kate in a moment...)

-And my burning question: Nothing says there can't be more than 6 survivors back in the States: Kate has to meet in secret with Jack, and isn't directly identified as one of the six; and if Kate is rescued in secret (because of her past and/or the island pregnancy), then why can't there be many more who are secretly removed from the island?

"Oceanic 6" implies celebrity of being announced as the only survivors--who knows if there weren't actually more than that? Plus we don't know if there was more than one rescue, or the timing of Desmond's vision (or if he was even telling the truth, since we didn't get to see it).

And one more thing...didn't Desmond's visions all involve Charlie dying? If Charlie has finally died, then maybe they don't apply anymore? He could have a vision of Hurley having a heart attack, and it be about as likely as hatching a lime green chicken.

-And my burning question: Nothing says there can't be more than 6 survivors back in the States: Kate has to meet in secret with Jack, and isn't directly identified as one of the six; and if Kate is rescued in secret (because of her past and/or the island pregnancy), then why can't there be many more who are secretly removed from the island?




THANK YOU! I was discussing this with my friends, I don't think Kate is included in "The 6" because of her criminal past. I could be wrong, but just because you survive a plane crash and crazy stuff happens to you that doesn't mean you get pardoned.

While they may make the argument that "the jury found her not guilty and was sympathetic to her problems", that is pretty lame.

jack, hurley, sayid, clairewithout aaron, sun, jin,
aaron has to stay cause hes an island baby.
possibly the only one to have EVER been born on island.
but i also think jack and claire are in a way island babies.
because they were "fathered" by christian one of the islands original inhabitants
he went off island to have kids then crashed the plane to resurect on island
and start his happy family.

been wanting to get that off my chest for a while

Not sure where you've been but people have been talking about this plenty.

I am of the opinion that the ones left behind were left there because they wanted to be left there, as suggested by the new division between Locke & Jack. The only thing is, why was Hugo apologizing to Jack for going with Locke and if he did go with Locke, how did he end up back with jack and eventually, off the island?

It may take awhile before they're actually rescued so I'd suspect some of the Losties would be doing some flip-flopping about who they really feel they can trust.

I don't think Claire and Aaron get off the island. When Desmond was talking about seeing them get in a helicopter, we never saw "footage" of that vision. We saw all of Desmond's other visions, but not that particular part. That makes me think he just said that to get Charlie to go to the looking glass, because he somehow knew only Charlie could stop the jamming device.

I definitely agree that the 6 didn't go willingly, or didn't have a choice of who got off the island, otherwise they never would have left Claire and Aaron there.

And if it was Michael in the coffin, where was Walt at the funeral??

Again, more questions than answers!

The obit said the deceased was survived by a teenage son. Most of us were thinking Walt was about 13-14 by then. And if he found out what all his dad had done to get them rescued he may have turned against him.

Is it too easy for the coffin to be Michael? It seems to set up. Please don't go PC police on me... but the funeral is in a black neighborhood. The funeral home guy is black... However he asks Jack (a white guy)..."friend or FAMILY" ???

I don't think that Walt and Michael are part of the Oceanic 6. They got off the island WAY before Jack + 5. We don't even know what year or time bearded Jack is in.

Speaking of witch.. Sun and Jin would definiely want off b/c of the baby. Jin is on the plane with Jack (sitting behind him) in TTLG...I can't tell if that is Sun next to him or not. I'm assuming that Sun's off with Jin.

So... Jack, Kate, Sun, Jin, Hurley and ______ If Claire and Aaron...or a minimum Aaron don't make it off...Charlie in some respect died in vain. Not nice writers. So I'd have to say it was Claire and Aaron doesn't count as 6.

Jin is behind Jack on what flight? We haven't seen the flight that the Oceanic 6 take that I'm aware of. That's why we're all still guessing as to who gets off. Maybe you're confusing the flights?

THANK YOU! I was discussing this with my friends, I don't think Kate is included in "The 6" because of her criminal past. I could be wrong, but just because you survive a plane crash and crazy stuff happens to you that doesn't mean you get pardoned.

While they may make the argument that "the jury found her not guilty and was sympathetic to her problems", that is pretty lame.

Maybe she was a stowaway. :biggrin:

desmond said he saw claire and aaron getting on to a helicopter. he didn't say they were rescued. they could well get into a helicopter,possibly to fly to the freighter but that doesn't mean definate they are part of the oceanic 6

I don't think that Walt and Michael are part of the Oceanic 6. They got off the island WAY before Jack + 5.

I agree that Michael and Walt are not part of the O6, but I disagree that they are off the island. They are still trapped in the giant snow globe at the North Pole where the Lost island is. :rolleyes:

Does anyone besides me think that one of the six has to be in the coffin?

So, Kate, Jack, Hurley, dead person, he ( kate's significant other) and one other.

Where is this theory weak?
Actually, this episode made me think the person in the coffin was likely not one of the Losties who ended up one of the 6. Apparently, the Oceanic 6 are celebrities... people ask Jack for his autograph when he goes out for coffee. With that in mind, I think that if one of the 6 had died, there would have been press turning up for the funeral (or the viewing) to report on it and on who else attended and so on. However, the funeral director said nobody had come. That made me think the man in the coffin was even more likely to be Michael, who would have returned separately and not be known as one of the O6.

It's interesting that Hurley went with Locke but was rescued. How did that happen? And then he told Jack at the gym that he should have gone with him instead of Locke. So how was he able to rejoin Jack and be rescued? If there are 3 others that were rescued, it could be Rose and Bernard and possibly Desmond. I was surprised that Rose wanted to leave because of her cancer, but she made a point of saying to Bernard that should would leave. And Desmond has accomplished a lot on the island. He's been there twice and played a crucial role each time. Either his time on the island is up and he was rescued or he stayed because he is not meant to leave (as Jack is finding out about himself). Sawyer? Well, his separation from Kate was obvious when he joined Locke's grou and maybe the island is his fate (or destiny).

The only thing is, why was Hugo apologizing to Jack for going with Locke and if he did go with Locke, how did he end up back with jack and eventually, off the island?


I have a theory that, for some reason, Hurley went back to Jack (+4) and was rescued with them. He forgets about Locke's group until he sees Charlie:kiss: in a flashforward and he finally convinces Jack they (the Oceanic 6) need to go back to the island and save them (Locke's group). Jack meets with Kate and tries to tell her, but she doesn't want to go back, and she says she needs to "Get back to him," and I think she's talking about her son. Just a theory.

Isn't it the media that calls them the Oceanic 6, that might mean that others did get off the island but didn't want to be known as alive, take Kate for instance, she gets off the island shes not gonna go on camera and talk about being one of the Oceanic 6 that gives her up and then the authorities would go after her again. And Sawyer (if thats who Kate was referring to as "him" wouldn't want to be on T.V. and everything because wouldn't he be going to jail too? (for head butting the agriculture dude?) Also the "others" on the island like Juliette wouldn't be part of the Oceanic group because she wasn't on the plane. So in my theory it could be Jack, Hurley, Jin, Sun, and two others as the Oceanic 6 Kate, Sawyer (in hiding) and Juliette, Rousso Alex (don't remember if her boyfriend whats his name died or not) Carl? or any others on the island. Plus Michael/Walt who got off the island quite awhile ago. :)

Alright, I'm jumping into this thread a little late, and granted I didn't read through the previous seven pages, but here's what I think:

-We KNOW Jack, Hurley, and Kate all got off the island.
- (I don't know if this is considered a spoiler, but I'll err on the side of caution) Whoever Kate mentioned at the airport, PROBABLY Sawyer, but we can't be sure yet. If it is him, then that's four.
- And also (my guess) whoever died off-island. The person whose funeral Jack went to. My GUESS from the evidence is that this was Locke, but I don't know. Could've been Ben, but he wasn't even on the plane, so I don't think he counts. He probably wouldnt've left, anyways.
- But that still leaves at least one person, assuming my assumptions are correct. So I'm guessing this will be revealed through more flash-forwards.

And than the other question.. Who were pulled from the wreckage? (Jack was saying to Kate that they were still pulling people from the wreckage in the ending of Season 3, what could that mean?)

I think you're misunderstanding Jack and Kate's conversation at the end of the season 3 finale. Kate said she saw Jack on the news, and she said something like "Still pulling people from burning wreckage?" This was in reference to Jack saving the mother and kid after the car accident.
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Speaking of witch.. Sun and Jin would definiely want off b/c of the baby. Jin is on the plane with Jack (sitting behind him) in TTLG...I can't tell if that is Sun next to him or not. I'm assuming that Sun's off with Jin.

This is not correct - it was not Jin on that plane.
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I don't think Claire and Aaron get off the island. When Desmond was talking about seeing them get in a helicopter, we never saw "footage" of that vision. We saw all of Desmond's other visions, but not that particular part. That makes me think he just said that to get Charlie to go to the looking glass, because he somehow knew only Charlie could stop the jamming device.

It is not true that we saw footage of all of Desmond's other visions. In fact, we only saw one, in the Catch 22 episode. (Well, we saw 2, if you count the Flashes Before Your Eyes episode, but I don't consider that a "vision" of the future). We didn't see Charlie get hit by lightning, we didn't see him drown trying to save Claire and we didn't see him crashing his head on the rocks while trying to get a bird for Claire.

However, I do think it is possible, and even likely, that when Desmond described that last vision to Charlie, he embellished it with the bit about Claire and Aaron getting rescued, to ensure that Charlie would go down to turn off the switch, because Desmond knew that is the important part of bringing a rescue helicopter to the island, and we know how badly Des wants off the island. But, just before Charlie's about to dive into the water, Desmond feels guilty about setting Charlie up like that, so he tells Charlie he (Des) will go down to the Looking Glass.

Does anyone besides me think that one of the six has to be in the coffin?

So, Kate, Jack, Hurley, dead person, he ( kate's significant other) and one other.

Where is this theory weak?


I absolutely don't think "he" is Kate's significant other. I think its either her CHILD or a parole officer of some sort, but not someone from the island, not one of the 6.

I agree completely with those who say Kate is not one of the O-6, and that there may be many more than 6 who get off the island. But I disagree with those who think Jin and Sun are part of the O-6. I would think they would want not want the publicity that comes with the rescue, so they could avoid having to go back to their pre-crash lives (i.e., indebted to Sun's father). So, they arranged to get a new identity, sort of go into witness protection, if you will, in exchange for their agreement to keep silent about the island (or whatever it is Jack and Hurley are lying about).

It seems there are some Losties who got left behind on the island. I'm sure some may have stayed by choice, but the way Charlie and Hurley were talking, it sounds like there are others who were forced to stay against their will. If that's the case, why were ANY Losties allowed to leave the island?

something that I was thinking is that there may have been more than six, but only six are left and that the creapy "lawyer" guy is part of a group knocking them off? no? too random? too conspiracy theory? eh

Uh, that's 7.

Maybe the baby doesn't count?

I think you're misunderstanding Jack and Kate's conversation at the end of the season 3 finale. Kate said she saw Jack on the news, and she said something like "Still pulling people from burning wreckage?" This was in reference to Jack saving the mother and kid after the car accident.
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I must have misunderstood them than.. if you knew what they were talking about. I thought they were referring to the plane wreckage? When did that car accident happen? :confused: lol How the heck did I miss that? I'll have to rewatch it now..

jack says "i've been using the golden pass they gave US" which must mean him and kate and the other four are the 'us,' therefore kate is one of the oceanic six and revealed herself to be so. i doubt she's hiding anything.

Is it too easy for the coffin to be Michael? It seems to set up. Please don't go PC police on me... but the funeral is in a black neighborhood. The funeral home guy is black... However he asks Jack (a white guy)..."friend or FAMILY" ???

I'm not gonna go PC police on you, but you can be a friend, or a family member of any color.. ;) ya know.. lol.. There's such thing as interracial marriages and adoption, and so forth these days.. and Michael did live in New York.. Walt could possibly be in that coffin.. guess we'll never know.. could be anyone. :ohwell: sadly..


So... Jack, Kate, Sun, Jin, Hurley and ______ If Claire and Aaron...or a minimum Aaron don't make it off...Charlie in some respect died in vain. Not nice writers. So I'd have to say it was Claire and Aaron doesn't count as 6.

I think Juliet was probably one of the Oceanic 6. She had left her family behind.. her sister as well who had cancer.. she's been wanting to go home for 3 years. But, I'm not quite sure yet either.. it could be possible though..

Kate: I don't think kate will be an O6. The courts wouldnt pardon her for murder just for surviving for being an 06.
Sun and Jin I think that Sun will leave but Jin will not.
Sawyer I think he will stay ad that my cause Kate to want to go back to the island.
Michael and Walt No way! they prob took fake names when (if) they ever got home. How would they be able to explain that they just got off and they cant help them find the other survivors.
Claire and Aaron I think so, I dont know if aaron would be counted as one tho.
Sayid I really think he will be one.
jack and Hurley has already been annouced to be O6.

I don't think Aaron would be counted as one of the O6. Not because he is a baby though but because he wasn't on the manifest as a passenger, know what I mean? Poor Island Baby. hehe.

I don't think Desmond, Juliet, Ben, Alex, Karl, Danielle, Aaron or anybody else that wasn't on the plane can be classed as an "oceanic"

So my guesses would be Sun & Jin since she's preggers.. plus one more..

I must have misunderstood them than.. if you knew what they were talking about. I thought they were referring to the plane wreckage? When did that car accident happen? :confused: lol How the heck did I miss that? I'll have to rewatch it now..

In your original post you said "Jack was saying to Kate that they were still pulling people from the wreckage in the ending of Season 3, what could that mean?". So I assumed you were talking about the final scene of TTLG, when Kate meets Jack at the airport and their conversation starts like this:

KATE: Hey.
JACK: Hey.
KATE: Saw you on the news. Still pulling people out of burning wreckage, huh?
JACK: Old habits.

Earlier in this episode, Jack was contemplating suicide, about to jump off a bridge, when a car crash occurred on the bridge. Jack goes over and saves the mother and child who were in the car crash. I think it's pretty clear that when Kate said her line (Saw you on the news. Still pulling people out of burning wreckage, huh?), she was referring to Jack saving that mother and child.
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jack says "i've been using the golden pass they gave US" which must mean him and kate and the other four are the 'us,' therefore kate is one of the oceanic six and revealed herself to be so. i doubt she's hiding anything.
I don't think that's necessarily the case. When someone uses the word "us" it doesn't automatically include the person that someone is talking to. For example, he could have said to Ben, "Why did you lie to us?" where the "us" are the Losties, not including Ben.

Also, most likely Kate knows who the "us" are and what the whole story is, so Jack could speak in a familar way like that. It's not like Jack would have to repeat the whole story for her sake: "'Remember that time we crashed on the island, and then they rescued me and Hurley and XXX and XXX, etc., and they let you get off the island and assume a new identity? Well they gave us this Golden Pass so we could fly anyhwere any time for free!" Most lines are written in an ambiguous way so as not to give away too much of the story.

I'm not saying this is conclusive evidence that Kate is NOT one of the 6, but it's not conclusive evidence that she IS one of the 6 either.

The first thought I had after Kate said at the end of TTLG that "HE" will be annoying where she is, was that HE is Sawyer, cause i.e. Jack seems to know that HIM. But it also could mean someone other, who Kate mentioned earlier to Jack - we know he contacted her.
Huh... Then again I felt that Sawyer could be in the coffin... Don't know really why.
It's not because I do not like him - I do.

Also I think Oceanic 6, at least some of them, will be back to the Island. The flashforwards are probably "from" the time between some next seasons (maybe even 4 and 5) or in other time in the season, but not from "after" the end of the series, because if not the words like "we need to go back" are giving the hope for another season and are using when the director wants to continue his movie or series.
If they ran from the Island in the middle of the series and weren't back there before it ends - that would be sad... Unless it's a background for some actors' leaving the show... Then still what's this need to go back mentioning for so often?

I dont think that it has to be only six people to get off the island, just because Hurley claims to be one of the "oceanic six". Those six might be the only survivors that the media knows about. Kate could of stolen one of the deceaced passengers idenity on the plane. Claire might of gotten off the island but was shipped directly to a testing facility and was never mentioned in the media.
I also agree with the possibility of John Locke being in the coffin. Mostly because that he is the last person that you would expext to leave the island, and alot of the circumstances match up. ie( no one being at the funeral, jack not being friend or family.

A couple things.

1) I don't understand why people wouldn't count Aaron as part of the Oceanic Six. Yes he's a baby, and no he wasn't on the manifest. But he survived the crash and would have made it home. Not counting him just seems like an excuse to get Claire home without taking up two spots.

2) Guesses of Juliet don't make any sense. She was on the Island before Oceanic Flight 815. That's not to say she didn't get off. It's just to say that it's illogical to count her as one of the six. If they were called the "Island Six" or the "Six Survivors", then ok. But it's the "Oceanic Six".

It's interesting that Hurley went with Locke but was rescued. How did that happen? And then he told Jack at the gym that he should have gone with him instead of Locke. So how was he able to rejoin Jack and be rescued?Obviously a lot happens between the phone call in TTLG and the eventual rescue! (I'm guessing at least the entire 4th season!)

I think Hurley apologizing to Jack about going with Locke is key. If Hurley simply changed his mind and rejoined Jack, there wouldn't be a need for an apology. Something terrible happens to Jack's group, and I think either Hurley feels badly he wasn't there to help, or it's Locke's group's lack of trust that inadvertantly leads to it.
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I definitely agree that the 6 didn't go willingly, or didn't have a choice of who got off the island, otherwise they never would have left Claire and Aaron there.I'm not sure about that... In the S3 finale, Jack says "We never should have left the island" in such a way I took to imply they had a choice. If they were taken away by force, would he not have said something along the lines of, "We never should have let them take us off the island"?

This may have already been said, but i dont think Kate and her "he" are part of the O6.
Since she is still a fugitive she made a deal with whoever got them off the island to keep her identity on the down low!

or maybe "He" is some type of parole officer!
so Sawyer could still be on the Island, i mean i think its safe to say that Sawyer and Kate dont see eye to eye anymore according to S4-1, but there are 7 epi left, things are going to get crazy!

all i know is that its killing me not to look at those spoilers....but i gotta keep strong!

This may have already been said, but i dont think Kate and her "he" are part of the O6.
Since she is still a fugitive she made a deal with whoever got them off the island to keep her identity on the down low!
This is close to what I intended to post. Kate is a con artist. In order to leave the island without being apprehended, she may have taken the identity of someone who didn't survive the Oceanic crash or it's aftermath. Someone who had no family in the U.S. Jack wouldn't have ratted her out. Once on the mainland, she could have changed her identity again to break any chain connecting her to the Kate who was apprehended in Australia.

The Oceanic Six are:
Jack
Hurley
Kate
Sun
Jin
Sayid

That's what I heard, anyway.

And as for Kate not being part of the Oceanic Six, I heard there was going to be a murder trial in an upcoming episode. I'm pretty sure it's Kate's, and she gets off (self-defense, I think). The people who rescue them pull a few strings, I think.So she might be one of the six.

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1) I don't understand why people wouldn't count Aaron as part of the Oceanic Six. Yes he's a baby, and no he wasn't on the manifest. But he survived the crash and would have made it home. Not counting him just seems like an excuse to get Claire home without taking up two spots.
I'm not sure if I want to count Aaron or not, myself, but something additional to consider is that people don't seem to know that the plane crashed on the island. Big Mike, when he interrogated Hurley, asked if he had met Ana Lucia on the plane or beforehand at the airport. NOT after the crash, when they were on the island for several months. To me, this means that no one knows that the Oceanic Six were even ON an island. That means... where do people think Claire give birth? How do you explain the sudden presence of a baby that shouldn't have been born for several weeks after the crash took place? How did they get him back to the real world without raising those suspicions?

There has to be a massive coverup going on, obviously, and one that includes either 1) an explanation of where the baby was born (I suppose they could say he was Claire's son or not, either way) and where he's been since the crash, or 2) completely hiding the fact of Aaron's existence.

I'm not sure if I want to count Aaron or not, myself, but something additional to consider is that people don't seem to know that the plane crashed on the island. Big Mike, when he interrogated Hurley, asked if he had met Ana Lucia on the plane or beforehand at the airport. NOT after the crash, when they were on the island for several months. To me, this means that no one knows that the Oceanic Six were even ON an island. That means... where do people think Claire give birth? How do you explain the sudden presence of a baby that shouldn't have been born for several weeks after the crash took place? How did they get him back to the real world without raising those suspicions?

There has to be a massive coverup going on, obviously, and one that includes either 1) an explanation of where the baby was born (I suppose they could say he was Claire's son or not, either way) and where he's been since the crash, or 2) completely hiding the fact of Aaron's existence.


These are all excellent points, but consider that Claire/Aaron may not be one/two of the Oceanic Six.

I know that they may remain on the island. I was just trying to answer the other poster's question and get some more questions out there. So many people think Claire and Aaron are a given, considering that he's a baby and Desmond saw them in the helicopter, but there are some major complications to consider. :)

I know. But, and this applies to all of the characters except Jack and Hurley, we talk about them as though they are part of the six. And I do it too. Just saying.

The obit said the deceased was survived by a teenage son. Most of us were thinking Walt was about 13-14 by then. And if he found out what all his dad had done to get them rescued he may have turned against him.

Thanks for the clarification, I didn't know that was part of the obit. No wonder everyone thinks it's Michael.

You're right--it would have to be people that were actually on the plane because there would be a passenger list. Claire and baby could be part of the Oceanic Six (baby may not count as part of the 6 since he was born on the island). I'm still thinking Rose and Bernard as possibilities because they have no one to hide from. But as I mentioned before, it seemed odd that Rose would go because her cancer had gone into remission on the island.
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The obit said the deceased was survived by a teenage son. Most of us were thinking Walt was about 13-14 by then. And if he found out what all his dad had done to get them rescued he may have turned against him.

I hadn't considered Michael since he's been out of the picture for awhile. I thought he had already been sent back to the US, but perhaps not. Maybe he is one of the 6 and the one in the coffin. It may be different in LA, but I know that here in the South, we still have churches and funeral homes that are predominantly black and ones that are predominantly white. The man at the funeral home was black so that could be a clue ( a lame one maybe???).

My guess would be Jack, Hurley, Jin, Sun, Claire, and Sayid. I think Kate will take the identity of one of the dead "Others" so she won't be taken to jail for murder. Aaron wasn't a passenger on the flight. Neither were Desmond or Juliet, both of which I think will make it off the island also.

I dunno if this has been said already but couldn't the 6 just be the folk on Jacob's list: Jack, Kate, Saywer, Hurley. And maybe Michael and Walt?
Course, the problem with that is The Others have said that Jack wasn't supposed to be on that list.

I reckon the Oceanic 6 may be just the people the press know about, and perhaps not all the returnees.

Since Kate is a fugitive, it's possible she wanted to go under the radar, and not be part of the "Oceanic 6" - who apparently sign autographs.

(sorry if this was mentioned, but 11 pages of posts is a lot to go through).

We know that Kate, Hurley, and Jack make it back.

In articles that were published last season, the producers said that we would know who Kate ended up with by the end of the season; Jack or Sawyer. It is clear that she did not end up with Jack, so wouldn't it be advantageous to assume she ends up with Sawyer and he is one of "the Six"?

Also, I agree and echo what others have mention, which is that Desmond saw a vision of Claire and Aaron being rescued in a helicopter. Those two would likely be part of the Six then.

Jack
Hurley
Kate
Sawyer
Claire
Aaron

I dont think anyone has mentioned this yet but I havent read all of the pages in here yet. I think Frogurt will be one of the Oceanic 6 http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Frogurt
The producers has said that he will eventually become an important character in the series.

If Kate took the identity of somebody who died on the island (Libby, perhaps, or maybe a minor character) wouldn't THAT person be one of the six? So it would be Jack, Hurley, "Libby" (going along with the example), and three unknowns? Just a thought.

If Kate took the identity of somebody who died on the island (Libby, perhaps, or maybe a minor character) wouldn't THAT person be one of the six? So it would be Jack, Hurley, "Libby" (going along with the example), and three unknowns? Just a thought.

That sounds like a real good theory. But what if one of the real person she took the identify of family or friends came to see her?

People who have mentioned Sun usually mention Jin as well. It's possible one would leave by themselves if the other didn't survive...

We know that Kate, Hurley, and Jack make it back.

In articles that were published last season, the producers said that we would know who Kate ended up with by the end of the season; Jack or Sawyer. It is clear that she did not end up with Jack, so wouldn't it be advantageous to assume she ends up with Sawyer and he is one of "the Six"?

Also, I agree and echo what others have mention, which is that Desmond saw a vision of Claire and Aaron being rescued in a helicopter. Those two would likely be part of the Six then.

Jack
Hurley
Kate
Sawyer
Claire
Aaron

First of all, if that's true that should have been spoiler fonted. Shame on you, lol, I'm 99% spoiler-free *recalculating*.

As to the notion that it's Kate/Sawyer because, as you said, we already saw that she wasn't with Jack in TTLG....you also said 'they'd tell us by the end of the season' so why would it be so obvious now? I dont think the writers would do that. Personally, I think she chooses Jack but in the end it's nobody cuz he's all obsessive about the island, and descending slowly (quickly? into madness. For all we know, as of the latest flashforward (when Jack and Hurley play HORSE) Jack and Kate are...together. :rolleyes: Ya Never know...but it's just a thought.

Sorry if this has been mentioned, but. . . the man in the coffin isn't one of the six. Obviously, "the Oceanic Six" are famous. If one died, it would be headline news, not a small article. And, media, public, etc. would have been at the funeral, just to be part of a "celebrity story".

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We know that Kate, Hurley, and Jack make it back.

In articles that were published last season, the producers said that we would know who Kate ended up with by the end of the season; Jack or Sawyer. It is clear that she did not end up with Jack, so wouldn't it be advantageous to assume she ends up with Sawyer and he is one of "the Six"?

Also, I agree and echo what others have mention, which is that Desmond saw a vision of Claire and Aaron being rescued in a helicopter. Those two would likely be part of the Six then.

Jack
Hurley
Kate
Sawyer
Claire


Technically Aaron was never on Oceanic Airlines flight 815; his pregnant mother was. So I don't see how Aaron could be one of the six.

The next time you see a character count to five when faced with a stressful situation, do yourself a favor and pen them in is as a member of the Oceanic 6. That behavior is the common denominator between presumed members of that group so far, Jack Kate and Hurley (he counted to five in this episode).

Wondering out loud: Does it matter if someone counts to five in Korean????

Why has no one considered that everyone might've been rescued and the Oceanic 6 is just a band. It features Jack on keyboard, Kate on vocals, Hurley on drums, Sawyer on washboard, the jug, and bass guitar, Sayid on lead guitar, and Mixxmaster Locke. And the person in the coffin? If he was part of the Oceanic 6, he would've had mourners. So it was obviously a roadie! One that Jack liked, but hit on Kate so much it bugged her enough to not go to his funeral. I solved the mystery of Lost!

Why has no one considered that everyone might've been rescued and the Oceanic 6 is just a band. It features Jack on keyboard, Kate on vocals, Hurley on drums, Sawyer on washboard, the jug, and bass guitar, Sayid on lead guitar, and Mixxmaster Locke. And the person in the coffin? If he was part of the Oceanic 6, he would've had mourners. So it was obviously a roadie! One that Jack liked, but hit on Kate so much it bugged her enough to not go to his funeral. I solved the mystery of Lost!

Thanks for spoiling it for the rest of us! ;)

Why has no one considered that everyone might've been rescued and the Oceanic 6 is just a band. It features Jack on keyboard, Kate on vocals, Hurley on drums, Sawyer on washboard, the jug, and bass guitar, Sayid on lead guitar, and Mixxmaster Locke....


lol!

Geminiben. if you want to see a picture of the Losties band before the first breakup, then click the first link in my signature below. :biggrin:

I'm gonna throw this out there. What if Kate is not one of "the six" that everyone refers to.

I agree. I would assume that Kate is not one of the Oceanic Six. If she were, it doesn't seem like she would need to meet with Jack at an isolated corner of the airport where no one could see them associating. She must have passed herself off as one of the rescuers or something.
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It features Jack on keyboard, Kate on vocals, Hurley on drums, Sawyer on washboard, the jug, and bass guitar, Sayid on lead guitar, and Mixxmaster Locke.
I can't see Kate on vocals. I think Sayid is on lead vocals, and Kate is the lead roadie. I bet that Jack wears surgical scrubs when he plays keyboards -- like Prince's keyboardist used to do in the 80's.

I never thought about Kate not being in the 6. They would have gotten so much publicity when they were first rescued, how could the officials not know she was a fugitive and not arrest her? She could have gone free if her mother testified at her trial that her husband beat her and Kate pleaded temporary insanity. Stranger things have happened, and this is a TV series.

I'm pretty certain that Sayid is one of them. Did anyone in the UK see him on Jonathan Ross this week? Why would he be in the UK while they are in the middle of filming season 4? I think he will be one of the 6 and they WILL leave the island in this season.

In the middle of filming? They haven't been able to film anything since early November because of the strike, and that means the actors don't have to be on Oahu at the moment...

I never thought about Kate not being in the 6. They would have gotten so much publicity when they were first rescued, how could the officials not know she was a fugitive and not arrest her? She could have gone free if her mother testified at her trial that her husband beat her and Kate pleaded temporary insanity. Stranger things have happened, and this is a TV series.

Kate's mom wont testify. She loved Wayne (i think thats his name). Remember at the hospital in season one and she is screaming for help when she comes to visit.

Ok...(wow Im making a post in the episode content wonders will never cease...) I know who it is so I wont go about revealing spoilers about who it or not, simply because its speculation... not fact here... My theory is that more folk do get off the island but do not testify against Oceanic or something like that... they chose to keep out of the limelight deliberetly. This coincides with the name on the piece of paper in TTLG. Some live a life of publicity, whilst others go to a quiet life... I also agree with those saying people like Juliet, Desmond, Ben, Aaron arent part of the Oceanic 6...

Also a bit of speculation on the actual oceanic 6, so this is for folk who have read the spoilersI have a strong feeling the spoilers are wrong and Jin isn't one of the oceanic 6 and their episode will feature Sun going forward and Jin having flashbacks...and our 6th member will be someone totally different... maybe Claire if its unoriginal, Ben/Locke for a total OMGWTFPolarbear suprise

Could Hurley have meant "Oceanic Six" as in one of the six survivors of the original crash - not the total number of people who returned to civilization? It's obvious that they didn't tell truth upon returning, which is why Jack went to see Hurley and make sure he hadn't. I could see Kate, Jack, Hurley, and "in coffin" coming back and saying that the other two eventually died shortly after the crash/during the rescue.

Some people didn't want to come back - like Locke, and I'm not sure Kate came back as herself.

Sorry if this has been mentioned, but. . . the man in the coffin isn't one of the six. Obviously, "the Oceanic Six" are famous. If one died, it would be headline news, not a small article. And, media, public, etc. would have been at the funeral, just to be part of a "celebrity story".It's been years (?) since they were found. By the time of the funeral it would be a media footnote.

Of course Oceanic would have at least been mentioned in the obituary (though doing so would have given away too much story at the end of S3)...

so we have seen two flash forwards so far and we know only 3 of the Oceanic 6 - who else is there and why only 6?

Kate (him)
Hurley
Jack

this is not a thread for Kate's reference to him

The Oceanic 6 have already been revealed on some sites (DarkUFO, spoilerfix.com). This info was leaked out some time ago. Obviously if you don't want to be spoiled, don't check out those sites. :cool: I'm aware of who the six are and personally don't think it's that big a revelation. I'm more interested in what happened to those who didn't make it off the island.

The flashforward from The Beginning of the End showed events that happened prior to the flashforward in the Season 2 Finale as evidenced by Jack's beard and his attitude change regarding returning to the island.

My theory is that Hurley was the guy in the coffin... His death is what prompted Jack to reflect on his decision to leave the island, begin his downward spiral, grow a beard, and try his hardest to return to the island.

Strike against this theory... the teenage son (perhaps there is a side to Hurley we haven't yet seen or someone made a claim to try to get his millions upon his apparent death by plane crash?)

Okay, be gentle, this is my first post though I've been reading your theories for quite some time.

Since Hurley has a history of mental illness, is it possible that perhaps his FF's weren't really FF's at all, but figments of his own imagination? If he could "see" the dude in the bathrobe (forgot his name) on the island, why not all of this?

Then maybe there were more than 6 that got off the island? I dunno, maybe I am way out there, but I am just not putting all of my eggs in one basket when it comes to Hugo.

Thoughts?

Huh... Then again I felt that Sawyer could be in the coffin... Don't know really why.
It's not because I do not like him - I do.

Yes, but bear in mind that Jack was the only person to attend the funeral, so the person who died had to have been somewhat unlikeable. I feel that if it were Sawyer, some of the other "Oceanic 6" would have gone, especially Hurley. Also, when Jack asked Kate if she went to the funeral, she said "why should I have gone" (or something to that extent). Sawyer would have to do something pretty horrible to Kate to cause her not to show up at his funeral, you know?

I dunno if this has been said already but couldn't the 6 just be the folk on Jacob's list: Jack, Kate, Saywer, Hurley. And maybe Michael and Walt?

Well, that makes sense. As of right now, we don't know what happened to Michael and Walt, although most of us know that Michael will be returning. It's POSSIBLE that Michael actually made it back to the "real world" and after dropping Walt off, returned to rescue everyone else? That would count him and Walt as part of the "Oceanic Six".

If he could "see" the dude in the bathrobe (forgot his name)
Dave. But for some reason, I don't think Hurley is imagining all of this. That would seem like some pretty huge deception on TPTB's part.

Dave. But for some reason, I don't think Hurley is imagining all of this. That would seem like some pretty huge deception on TPTB's part.
I also think the episode "Dave" was partially designed to refute the "it's all in Hurley's head" theory. :)

I think that somehow, the island will choose who goes and who stays, and I think the people who stay will be the people who have solved their problems on the island and the people who leave will be the people who have simply run away from their problems on the island, so that they can return home and fix their problems.

Jack - will leave because he left his problems (alcoholism, ex-wife, etc.) at home
Kate - will leave because she left her problem (being a fugitive) at home
Hurley - will leave because he left his problem (money) at home
Sun - will leave because she left her problem (her father) at home
Jin - will leave because he left his problem (Sun's father) at home
Sayid - will leave because he left his problem (finding Nadia) at home
Locke - will stay because he solved his problem (being powerless) by becoming something of a leader
Claire - will stay because she solved her problem (not knowing what to do with her baby)
Aaron - will stay with Claire
Sawyer - will stay because he solved his problem (the real Sawyer)
Rose - will stay because her cancer problem was resolved
Bernard - will stay because his problem (Rose's cancer) was resolved
Michael - will stay because he resolved his problem (relationship with son)
Walt - will stay because he resolved his problem (relationship with father)
Cindy - not enough information to decide, but I think she will stay because no one would even care if she left
So basically, I think the oceanic six are Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sun, Jin, and Sayid

I think that somehow, the island will choose who goes and who stays, and I think the people who stay will be the people who have solved their problems on the island and the people who leave will be the people who have simply run away from their problems on the island, so that they can return home and fix their problems.

Jack - will leave because he left his problems (alcoholism, ex-wife, etc.) at home
Kate - will leave because she left her problem (being a fugitive) at home
Hurley - will leave because he left his problem (money) at home
Sun - will leave because she left her problem (her father) at home
Jin - will leave because he left his problem (Sun's father) at home
Sayid - will leave because he left his problem (finding Nadia) at home
Locke - will stay because he solved his problem (being powerless) by becoming something of a leader
Claire - will stay because she solved her problem (not knowing what to do with her baby)
Aaron - will stay with Claire
Sawyer - will stay because he solved his problem (the real Sawyer)
Rose - will stay because her cancer problem was resolved
Bernard - will stay because his problem (Rose's cancer) was resolved
Michael - will stay because he resolved his problem (relationship with son)
Walt - will stay because he resolved his problem (relationship with father)
Cindy - not enough information to decide, but I think she will stay because no one would even care if she left
So basically, I think the oceanic six are Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sun, Jin, and Sayid

That is an excellent way of deducing who will stay and who will go, it makes alot of sense. I really think you're on to something there, great job!

since you all seem intent on spoiling everyone who wants to remain spoiler free, i am locking this thread. i will consider unlocking it ...of course that depends on how many MORE COMPLAINTS i get from posters for being spoiled.

if you want to discuss this with spoilers then go to the SPOILER SECTION. thank you.