Apparently Hurley will even go back to the real world.....and he wanted to warn everyone not to go...

I think he did, yeah...it's really sad to think about. He actually died to flip the switch, but even if you think he died while warning everyone, he still died in vain. 6 people still leave.

It may appear that at this point in the flash-forwards Charlie did die for nothing, but I dont think the flash-forwards are as far as we'll see in the future. I definitely think Jack, Hurley and maybe the other Oceanic 6 are gonna go back to the island and maybe then everyone can be rescued or live happily and then I wouldnt consider Charlie's death pointless.

I definitely think Jack, Hurley and maybe the other Oceanic 6 are gonna go back to the island and maybe then everyone can be rescued or live happily and then I wouldnt consider Charlie's death pointless.
Good point. I hadn't thought of that.

It really does seem like a difficult situation and I'm confused that Charlie's death seems like it was in vain. He died warning Desmond and the Losties that Naomi wasn't completely telling the truth - and in staying true to his friend, Hurley made the speech that convinced almost everyone to go with Locke to the Barracks instead of staying with Jack to meet the Freighter people. And then in the flashforward Hurley tells Jack he should've went with him, but even though Jack says it's "water under the bridge" I feel upset because there's really no way, with how the writer's have constructed it, for anyone to have done anything different. I understand in philosophy terms that's called "determinism" (heheh) but I'm serious.... If you want to respect what Charlie died for there's really no way you can't go with Locke on this one. But not *everyone* could go with Locke cause the freighters are already on their way, don't people want to be rescued? *Sigh* So did Charlie die in vain?

First- I do think Charlie is dead. But not for nothing- he sacrificed honestly for the good of the rest of the group. He wanted to ensure the survival of Claire and turnip head. AND because of that and the speeach Hurley gave if forced the losties to think hard about their decisions and we will probably find coming up that the splitting into two groups has a powerful effect on "rescue". So we will see!

They've obviously got something good brewing with the Charlie storyline. I don't think we've seen the last of him.

i agree...i also have to say it was an EXTREMELY handsome Charlie that we saw? What was up with that??? NOT to say he isnt handsome but goodness gracious...do we change that much in heaven? How did Smoky know he was such a handsome guy? (see my other thread...lol)

No, hes dead. Dominic Monaughan didn't renew his contract because he didn't like where his character was going.

Sucks too. His character made the story more interesting.
He was connected to EVERYBODY!

No, hes dead. Dominic Monaughan didn't renew his contract because he didn't like where his character was going.

Sucks too. His character made the story more interesting.
He was connected to EVERYBODY!


Hmmm...don't know about that. Find any answers from Darlton (podcasts, etc) and you'll hear that after they wrote the whole visions of Charlie dying arc, they realized as they planned the final episodes of the season that having Charlie actually live would cheat the story arc of any emotional impact. Dom had also said that while he was bummed about his character's direction before, the whole death arc got him excited about the 3rd season again.

No, hes dead. Dominic Monaughan didn't renew his contract because he didn't like where his character was going.

Sucks too. His character made the story more interesting.
He was connected to EVERYBODY!

Not exactly. he asked TPTB to make Charlie a more important character or let him go. They came up with the death storyline and let him go as a regular with Charlie's island death. Dom always said he would return if it was something really cool. With any luck, he will remain a recurring character with new ties to the island's mysteries like he wanted and eventually we will see if his sacrifice was in vain. I don't believe his story is over yet. Dom texted Kristin at E! saying he was happy with the "new" and improved Charlie.

If you die for what you believe in, it's not in vain.
I did get the feeling though that they were trying to hard to tell us it wasn't in vain.

Starrox, that wasn't a spoiler, just my speculation I promise you. I have no idea whether Dom will be back, I'm just assuming based on this appearance.

He was connected to everyone and seriously I dont buy the "dom didnt like where the character is going" idea because as a spoiler junkie I have never read anything about that at all.....He was destined to be a dad to Aaron imho....

His death was in vain...and we will c how this plays out

Starrox, that wasn't a spoiler, just my speculation I promise you. I have no idea whether Dom will be back, I'm just assuming based on this appearance.

Ah, okay, sorry... *goes off to remove spoiler font* We weren't really sure, and so I decided to stay on the safe side - I've seen too many spoilers being posted in this section without spoiler font yesterday and today, unfortunately!

He was connected to everyone and seriously I dont buy the "dom didnt like where the character is going" idea because as a spoiler junkie I have never read anything about that at all.....He was destined to be a dad to Aaron imho....

His death was in vain...and we will c how this plays out

When Dom gave his exit interviews to Kristin and TV Guide he said he had been frustrated with his role on the show for a while. Charlie did nothing but serve other character's stories and he wanted him to step up and do something on his own. This may have been the only way of accomplishing that.

And from where it looks now his death was in vain. But there are 47 episodes to go, and it may be wrong to hope, but anything could still happen to undo the damage that's been done.

Ah, okay, sorry... *goes off to remove spoiler font* We weren't really sure, and so I decided to stay on the safe side - I've seen too many spoilers being posted in this section without spoiler font yesterday and today, unfortunately!

Not a problem. :) I edited my post a bit to make it clearer that it's just my speculation.

Apparently Hurley will even go back to the real world.....and he wanted to warn everyone not to go...

Something I've been mulling over thought is whether Hurley left the island by choice? Or rather... under what circumstances did he leave. His initial choice was to stay with Locke. And he's leaning toward going back to the island now that he's had some visitors... curiouser...

When Dom gave his exit interviews to Kristin and TV Guide he said he had been frustrated with his role on the show for a while. Charlie did nothing but serve other character's stories and he wanted him to step up and do something on his own. This may have been the only way of accomplishing that.

And from where it looks now his death was in vain. But there are 47 episodes to go, and it may be wrong to hope, but anything could still happen to undo the damage that's been done.



Ahhh I dont recall that interview...guess I didnt read everything I could have read....lol

Something I've been mulling over thought is whether Hurley left the island by choice? Or rather... under what circumstances did he leave. His initial choice was to stay with Locke. And he's leaning toward going back to the island now that he's had some visitors... curiouser...

Yes I agree with that..Since he was originally chose Locke, it baffles me as to how he got to the "real world"....It is kinda like reading the end of the book in bits and pieces and not reading the middle...going back to try to find out how it all transpires...