that clearly was Jack's dad in the rocking chair. interesting. explains why Jack may end up getting a 'pass' off the island

It was clearer from the previews, imo. But yeah it's definitely possible.

John Terry got guest star billing, and there wasn't anywhere else he could have been. The white tennis shoes were a giveaway.

They didn't bill Dom though, did they?

Cardie

Jacob isn't Jack's dad... dunno where *mod edit* you drew that conclusion from
there were TWO people in the cabin

so clearly Jacob is Jack's dad?or, Hurley can see dead people?

There seemed to be two, but the man in the chair looked a bit like Christian to me. I couldn't tell for sure.

John Terry was in the credits though... that really got me looking for him.

I never thought for one second that that was Jack's dad. Screen caps?

John Terry got guest star billing, and there wasn't anywhere else he could have been. The white tennis shoes were a giveaway.

They didn't bill Dom though, did they?

Cardie

yeah but they billed Harold (Michael).... and he was not shown.

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Did we watch the same episode??

yeah but they billed Harold (Michael).... and he was not shown.

They billed Harold because he is coming back as a regular and regulars get billed for every episode, even ones they don't appear in John Terry got guest star billing.

Cardie

I saw Two people.. couldnt get a clear look tho. I def think from the previews it was Christian and the Missing Pieces 13.

Jacob isn't Jack's dad... dunno where you drew that conclusion from
there were TWO people in the cabin

the other guy in the cabin was Locke.

No doubt that was Christian in the rocking chair (white tennis shoes--dead giveaway)

But I was fairly certain that Jacob was the one who popped up in the window and scared poor Hurley.

That eye and bewildered face looked pretty reminiscent of the closeup we saw right before Locke ran out of that cabin in 'Man Behind the Curtain.'

I never thought for one second that that was Jack's dad. Screen caps?
Sure
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5287/cabincsgx8.jpg
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/9939/cabineyeoi9.jpg

So you are saying it was Locke and Christian in the cabin?? No Jacob? *consulting DVR as we speak*


Posted too quickly..clearly its those two from your screencaps, Thanks for the quickness!

Definitely Jack's dad in the chair...I still can't make the connection to him being Jacob, but for sure he was sitting in that chair...anyone have screens of the face in the window?

I didn't make it out to be Christian or Locke. Maybe the folks with HD saw them clearer.

Cool. Absolutely cool.
You guys are the greatest!!!!

I saw Jack's father in the chair... Locke's eye peeking out the window...

But that the glimpse of Jacob from last season looked nothing like Jack's dad IMHO... I thought it looked like Locke (with Jack's eyes).. But that's just me..

lighter SCREENCAP: http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5066/jacoblightersi9.jpg

how can you deny its him

If Hurley saw Jacob, does that mean he is "special" like Locke?

Sure
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5287/cabincsgx8.jpg
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/9939/cabineyeoi9.jpg

OnAonXM, you are the first Lost fan to impress me in the new season with your quick resourcefulness :)

Please keep it up! :biggrin:

christian was in the chair
that doesn't mean he = jacob
can you see how those two things aren't the same?

Of course Hurley doesn't even know Christian Sheppard.

Wow, thanks for the screencaps! You guys are quick.

Okay, so there's no question that's Christian in the chair. Of course it doesn't mean for sure that he is Jacob... but its certainly a distinct possibility now.

Are people sure they eye is Locke? That I couldn't really be sure of from the screencap. Perhaps the eye was Jacob.

OnAonXM, you are the first Lost fan to impress me in the new season with your quick resourcefulness :)

Please keep it up! :biggrin:
ha, not a problem :)

This is made even more interesting by the last mobisode, which showed Christian telling Vincent to go wake Jack up immediately after the crash. Not that I get it, of course, but Christian has suddenly become super important in terms of the island mythology.

Seeing is not believing when it comes to Lost.

The house even disappeared.

And we saw Jack's dad walking on the beach, so who knows what is going on.

I don't think we could possibly wrap our minds around this yet. We have to wait for more to unfold.

What?!
Where is that at???

That's Christian for sure. Now the last episode of last season makes sense, when during the (as we later find out) flash forward Jack says in the hospital something like "get my dad down here and see how sober he is..."

So I think Christian gets off the island with them.

I never thought for one second that that was Jack's dad. Screen caps?:eek2:

This is made even more interesting by the last mobisode, which showed Christian telling Vincent to go wake Jack up immediately after the crash. Not that I get it, of course, but Christian has suddenly become super important in terms of the island mythology.:14happy: :jump: :14happy:

And we saw Jack's dad walking on the beach, so who knows what is going on.

In this episode? When?

In this episode? When?

I think the OP means during Season 1 or whenever Jack thought he saw his dad on the beach.

Jacob (or his eye if you prefer) by the window when Hurley came close, and Christian Shepherd sitting in the rocking chair. That would seem to indicate two seperate entities. It goes back to a theory of mine: there are bodies that are real on the Island that lack "souls" and "souls" on the Island that lack bodies. Jacob is the latter. He can't escape his cabin "prison" (due to the volcanic ash ring I guess) and is stuck in some sort of void. To get his "work" done, he uses bodies of individuals that have either died on the Island or were already dead and came to the Island (like CS).

lighter SCREENCAP: http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5066/jacoblightersi9.jpg

how can you deny its him
It was definatly him, but how do we know that it wasn't Hurley just seeing things. Jacob was on the island for much longer than Jack's Dad.

Perhaps Jacob can take the form of many people? Or perhaps Christian was the form Smokey was taking in the cabin and Jacob and Smokey are connected and not the same.

However I have not seen anyone propose the idea that it was Locke in the cabin looking out. Not Jacob or Smokey as Locke but the real Locke. It makes sense to me since Locke then came upon Hurley shortly after. Locke could of been meeting with Jacob and Smokey but only saw Locke and CS as Smokey since so far only "special" people like Ben and Locke can see Jacob. Thoughts???

Sure
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5287/cabincsgx8.jpg
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/9939/cabineyeoi9.jpg

Thank you for showing that to us!

christian was in the chair
that doesn't mean he = jacob
I agree...nothing on this Island is as it seems.

Of course Hurley doesn't even know Christian Sheppard.
Good point...but that just means he won't recognize what he's seen.

I SO need to go rewatch this ep for myself. !

I don't think the eye is Locke. Looks like the guy has some brown or black hair on the right hand side. Could be Jacob.
I agree that Christian is sitting in the rocker. Thanks for the screencaps!

I don't think the eye was Locke's either. And in the screen cap it almost looks like he doesn't have a nose!

I have to admit that last year I thought the idea of it being Christian in that chair was ridiculous. In fact, I thought the idea of Christian still being alive was ridiculous. I have to say, thouogh, that was definitely Christian in that chair. What the heck that means, I have no idea.

Maybe Christian & Jacob are / were twins...

I know that a lot of people believe that Christian Shephard is dead....and he could be. But could Christian Shephard be Jacob?

According to Ben, Jacob has the ability to heal. Christian Shephard told Jack to have faith in Sarah being able to walk. right after that,Sarah awaken and was able to move her legs. Everyone believe that Jack was the one who heal Sarah...but was it really Jack?..In Par Avion
Christian talks to Claire about other alternatives ways to relieve her mother pain,that would have no legal consequences. I think Christian Shephard is Jacob. When Hurley went to Jacob cabin he saw a person in a rocking chair. The person in the rocking Chair looked like
"Christian Shephard". so could Christian Shephard be Jacob?

Screencaps from DarkUFO:

Jacob in the cabin (http://bp2.blogger.com/_8HhjIy50yEY/R6KepKLiPEI/AAAAAAAAAQU/B5x9-faA0pc/s1600-h/mr.shephard2.jpg)

That is what I thought, looked to me like him.

This is very interesting. But can jacob take on different forms? so he might appear as Jacks father to one person and someone else the next.

Because it didnt look like Jacks father when we first saw Jacob. Like I said very interesting. I enjoy reading eveyones thoughts on this.

The thread title made me chuckle because when has anything on Lost ever been “clear”. I don’t think at this point we can say for sure what anything is other then CS was in the chair. But that fact doesn’t carry much meaning yet. Heck, we may find out later that CS treated Hurley some time in his past that make him place CS there. Or maybe the island is trying to reconnect Clair with her unknown half-brother to help her get support for Charlie. On Lost, anything is possible, lol.

Did a comparative look at Locke's eye and the man in the window's eye. I circled key similarities that I saw. eyebrow, crow's feet, and wrinkle above nose. Also the eyes are the same greenish color, however it is somewhat dark in the screen cap. What do you think?:cool:

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5945/lockeproofyf2.jpg
(http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5945/lockeproofyf2.jpg)

I never thought for one second that that was Jack's dad. Screen caps?

weird cause as soon as I saw him, I shouted out "IT'S JACK'S DAD!!!"

But who was the younger guy that we only saw his eye... Boone?

wow... thanks for the screencaps - I never would've bought this theory without 'em. crazy! also sort of agree though, that doesn't mean Christian = Jacob. I still sort of think Jacob can "live into" different bodies if he wants to...

i still don't really agree with the locke's eye thing, locke's eye is blue and the one in the cabin was brown i'm pretty sure.... can't figure out who it is though. i can't think of someone else who would be in there -- do we know where Richard Alpert is?

ps, my boyfriend is convinced that it's Patchy's good eye. heh heh heh.

do we know where Richard Alpert is?

He's taking the rest of the others to the temple as ordered by Ben.

He's taking the rest of the others to the temple as ordered by Ben.

dang. hmm. who else has brown eyes?

Jacob isn't Jack's dad... dunno where *mod edit* you drew that conclusion from
there were TWO people in the cabin

The second person in the cabin was John Locke...he popped up in front of the window scaring Hurley!

It looked like whoever popped up in the window was frightened/startled too! Like Hurley caught him doing something. I'm not convinced it was Locke; Jacob seems more likely. I do like the thought that somehow Jacob has brought Christian's body to the cabin and is trying to either reanimate him or "possess" it in some way.

I think it was Locke in the Cabin and that's how he found Hurley so fast. We've seen many dead people come to life and I think we were given the biggest clue with Eco's death. "You speak to me as if I was your brother" and then the smoke kills him. I'm pretty sure Jacob or the smoke monster can transform into anything it wants.

So I think Christian gets off the island with them.

And this is why Jack was so concerned with Hurley letting "whatever" slip - Christian is somehow dead - but there, and everybody can see him, and he has his job back. Hurley tells people that Jack's dad was dead, they might start to have some problems.

I can tell how you think it might be Jon at the window because he was also right next to Hurley seconds later but if you look carefully when you have a pic of him at the window and him looking down at Hurley you can tell jon has too much Crows feet and also Jon's eye has a like a gap in the inner part of his eye and also eye color

Here (http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/4263/eyeoa2.jpg) is a lightened image of the eye. Looks like there is a scar above the very bushy eyebrow and the man has a mustache.

People. Okay.

We all need to sit back and remind ourselves of everything that we've seen in the last three seasons.

We know a lot about Smokey. We know that the "visions" - or "apparitions" - or whatever . . . are in some way directly related to Smokey. Remember how Eko died.

It's pretty freakin obvious that the shed is Smokey. The way it moved around, and suddenly appeared, the things that were inside of it, etc. This was meant to be a big, outrageous giveaway, that Smokey and "Jacob" may very well be one in the same, just like everyone was speculating during season 3 after the episode where Ben and Locke go into the shed.

Now, as far as the guy in the rocking chair. It's Jack's dad. Period. Dad of Jack. The father of Jackolas Sheperdiddo.

As for the eye.

Oh Em Gee.

It doesn't look anything like Locke. At all. I mean, come on. The guy in the window has HAIR - not to mention a brown eye.

It's a dude with a slanted eye - mostly resembling JACK. Think of the symbolism here. Jack's dad, and Jack. It was also a guy with scruffy hair and at least a noticeable amount of facial hair. Maybe the future version of Jack?

However, there is still a big chance that it wasn't Jack. Either way. The case stands. The whole freakin thing was Smokey.

TPTB have said that Ben uses that black ash to keep Jacob in there though, so how would he move around? I thought Ben essentially had him "trapped"?

First person I thought of when I saw the eye was Patchy.

I'm going with the Cabin being a "Black Lodge" kind of place (Twin Peaks fans, are you with me?). Maybe some kind of place that bridges this dimension and another?

And our first thought on the close-up of the eye was that it was Jack. Even if it's not, it still made me tinkle a little, and the eye gets major points for that.

He's taking the rest of the others to the temple as ordered by Ben.

Besides taking the Others to the temple he is also on another show and can't do Lost as of right now.
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I'm going with the Cabin being a "Black Lodge" kind of place (Twin Peaks fans, are you with me?). Maybe some kind of place that bridges this dimension and another?

And our first thought on the close-up of the eye was that it was Jack. Even if it's not, it still made me tinkle a little, and the eye gets major points for that.

The whole island could fall under a Black Lodge type definition. Though the cabin is obviously something more than just a house.

I still think the eye was Locke's since he pops up right after Hurley runs.

The person in the chair in Jacob's chair was definitely Christian, but he and Jacob aren't the same people. Jacob clearly predates the crash on the island and the flash we saw of him in The Man Behind the Curtain looked nothing like Christian.


Why cant two separate people just be two separate people?

I think Jacob somehow uses the dead to communicate. Yemi, Christian, Boone, and now Charlie have all been dead now on the island and have been turned into messengers of one form or another.

In TTLG Jack makes reference to Christian being alive, but after seeing how Hurley witnessed and communicated with Charlie, I think that theory is effectively shot to sunshine. Rather, Jack was popping pills and losing it because he was experiencing exactly what Hurley was except it was his dead father nagging at him.

Anyways, no, I don't think Christian is Jacob. He's just being used by him.

Jacob has the power to heal, not resurrect. Christian is dead and will stay dead, as TPTB have stated on multiple occasions. Of course, they are playing mind games with those of us not in the know. ;)

Was I hallucinating? (I really need to invest in a DVR!)

Looked to me like the silhouette of Christian in the rocking chair, and then ANOTHER person's face popped up in the window, IN FRONT of Christian. Yes? No? Thoughts on who the other person might be?

Sorry if this is being discussed elsewhere... I'll continue trolling around.

Okay you people with HD are super lucky or something...I could not see at all who was in the rocker on my poor little old television!!! That DOES look like Christian BUT didn't we think that "Jacob" looked like him before? Maybe they just look similar in the shadows? Or maybe there was truth to it after all.

I thought it was Patchy's good eye too when it popped up!! Then when Locke appeared suddenly I assumed it must have been his eye. I have not studied screenshots yet though, that eye freaks me out. :biggrin:

Just because Christian was sitting on the chair doesn't mean he was actually sitting on the chair or on the island. If there's anything you should no by now, it's that things aren't always as they appear on LOST.

I believe that was Locke looking through the Window.

This is how Jacob looked in season 3 when we first saw him:

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3813/snapshot20080201080403uj5.png

You can't really see his face but it looked like he has a beard and long scruffy hair. From the look and the clothing, it looks to me like a 18th century man/pirate... so maybe from the Black Rock!? I maybe wrong....

Here's a close-up of an eye that you see very briefly just before Locke runs out of the cabin after he sees Jacob. It could be anybody's eye: Locke, Ben or Jacob... although Locke get really scared just after this shot and runs out.

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/7349/snapshot20080201080648aa9.png

Next one is the eye we saw tonight in the cabin that scared Hugo off. It does look very similar to the one above. What do you think?

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3861/snapshot20080201081515gl1.png

And finally Locke's eye when he wakes up in the ditch after he's been shot by Ben:

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7286/snapshot20080201083904vx4.png

Just trying to compare the eyes.. What are your thoughts?

Yeah, the eye is definitely NOT Locke's. In my opinion, the eye is the only real glimpse of Jacob we have had, and the visions of Christian and the famous 13 frames are just manifestations.

I believe that was Locke looking through the Window.

No, it was the same eye that was shown in close-up last year during the cabin scene in TMBTC.

lighter SCREENCAP: http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5066/jacoblightersi9.jpg

how can you deny its him


Yep. That is definitely Dr. Shephard, Sr.

No, it was the same eye that was shown in close-up last year during the cabin scene in TMBTC.


In which case, according to dvd commentary, its Jacobs eye...

I think Jacob is just inhabiting Christian's body. Jack didn't the body in the coffin. It went somewhere. Jacob's' got it.

It kind of looks like charlie's eye.

Looked to me like the silhouette of Christian in the rocking chair, and then ANOTHER person's face popped up in the window, IN FRONT of Christian. Yes? No? Thoughts on who the other person might be?

According to Hurley ,it was Charlie. Hurley told Jack that he is going with Locke,because He saw Charlie,and he trust his friend.

I think it was Lockes eye we saw. Looking at it in slow motion and freeze frame, its hard to tell wether it is or not.

But one of the first things Locke says to Hurley is 'Is that why you were shouting for help?'

If it turns out to not be Lockes eye, I still think that Locke was in the cabin!

I dont think it looked like lockes eye

here (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=105965&fullsize=1)'s a cap of the eye

That's not Locke..

it almost looks like mikhail, and we dont see the other eye which would be patched.

It could be possible that each person sees "jacob" differently.. which would explain how Hurley and Locke could see different people in the rocking chair.

i dn't know, i wached that scene with the eye about ten times last night, and it sure looks like Locke's eye to me. It seems that he is "in the know" now in regards to the island, what with seeing Walt in TTLG and then Kate's comment in this episode about how Locke "disspeared" after killing Naomi, etc. Add that to the fact that Locke shws up seconds after Hurley sees the shack, and you get Locke in the shack. I think he was talking to Jacob, getting instructions, etc.

If Christian is dead, why is he in that mobisode sending Vincent to wake up Jack. I guess dogs can see ghosts and stuff, that one was just a mind blower!

I think there were two...island entities...in that shack. The Eye, Jacob. The vision of Christian however I believe is SMOKEY, who seems to be able to take on the forms of dead people whose bodies it collects (it has appeared as Christian and Yemi, both of whose bodies disappeared mysteriously).

What I think Hurley stumbled upon was a little island staff meeting of mysterious forces...and I think they needed him! I'm pretty sure I heard in the whispers "someone's coming" "he's the one"!!

Need to check that part again.

Did a comparative look at Locke's eye and the man in the window's eye. I circled key similarities that I saw. eyebrow, crow's feet, and wrinkle above nose. Also the eyes are the same greenish color, however it is somewhat dark in the screen cap. What do you think?:cool:

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5945/lockeproofyf2.jpg
(http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5945/lockeproofyf2.jpg):thumbsup: It's pretty obvious.


It doesn't look anything like Locke. At all. I mean, come on. The guy in the window has HAIR - not to mention a brown eye.

It's a dude with a slanted eye - mostly resembling JACK. Think of the symbolism here. Jack's dad, and Jack. It was also a guy with scruffy hair and at least a noticeable amount of facial hair. I must've watched a different episode and saw different screencaps than you. :rolleyes:

As soon as I saw into the shack in Hurley's "vision" I yelled out CHRISTIAN SHEPARD

I did not notice that...wow. I guess I'm stupid, lmao.

No way was that Christian. I have played the scene slow many times and have never once thought that. The eye, i played back slow just this morning and I am pretty confident it isn't Locke, although that was my first thought since he showed up in the jungle moments after that and I could also see locke going back to Jacob's place on purpose.

yeah but they billed Harold (Michael).... and he was not shown.
or was he Bwah ha ha...... no I guess he wasn't

Harold was credited because
He's a regular now, and regulars are credited in every episode

Why has no one posted a comparison between Chrisitan Shepherd and the Chair character?

I believe the chins don't match and the chins DO match between last seaon's Jacob and this one. People keep saying, why don't I think they're the same? I don't because the one glimpse I saw showed a chin which looked different.

And the Eye. I also saw brown hair and a mustache on that face.

Both of these could be artifacts of lighting and shadow.

Christian is dead.

The thread title made me chuckle because when has anything on Lost ever been “clear”. I don’t think at this point we can say for sure what anything is other then CS was in the chair. But that fact doesn’t carry much meaning yet.


A truer thing was never said!:biggrin:

I think it may be just as interesting to ponder why Hurley was suddenly seeing the cabin?

I have heard speculation that the eye in the cabin was Desmond.....you never know, with his "super powers" he could be anywhere!

Ok, the eye is most definatly Jacob. If you listen to the commentary on the S3 DVD for The Man Behind the Curtain, when they first show that eye, Damon and Carlton confirm that is Jacob's eye. The eye that popped up at the window was the same eye, so it is most likely Jacobs. Also Jacks dad was in the chair, but it is not actually him most likely, either smokey or something else, but yes, Jacob and a form of Jacks dad were both in that house.

In the preview for the new season that was shown in movie theatres, the shot of the man in the chair was much clearer, and it is definitely the actor John Terry, dressed as CS is when he appears to Jack in WR. Moreover, John Terry is credited as appearing in the episode. Also, if people go to the thread on mobisode #13 in the Missing Pieces forum, they will see other evidence that would make this appearance not very startling.

Now, as to who or what is manifesting as Chrisztian Shephard, that is still very fuzzy.

Cardie

I really think it is the smoke monster. Eko's brother yemi appeared to him, and when he followed him into the jungle it became the smoke monster and killed him. He was also able to generate those bandits from his past. Plus his brothers body was gone, missing, just like Christian's body was missing from the coffin. The smoke monster and/or the island is using these dead people to interact with the living.

Yes, so quite clearly the eye in the window is Locke, Jack, Desmond, Charlie, Christian, or Boone. :biggrin:

The only thing that I am certain of, is that it was Christian in the chair.

Clearly it is Christian in the rocking chair. I have to go back to the Looking Glass Episode but if Jack was referring to his father as still being alive in tht epi maybe Christian does come back to life and is one of the Oceanic six.
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No Paul is dead. But who is the walrus?

What Jack said in Through the Looking Glass was just sort of a sick joke, since his father is dead. It was just another trick to get us thinking that the scenes were still in the past.

HIS DAD IS DEAD

Wow, I did not catch that in last night's viewing. Thanks.

No Paul is dead. But who is the walrus?

I saw it during the original viewing and KNEW it was Christian.

I'm not sure how anyone (especially with the aid of screencaps) would deny that this was Christian.

However, Hurley seeing "anyone" does not make them alive. This is certainly underscored with Charlie.

That said, the eye is NOT Lockes in my opinion. It is Jacobs.

But more to the point, I now beleive (as was mentioned a few posts above) that the eye was Desmonds.

Desmond = Jacob.

No theroy, no proof.

The only thing I know for certain is that Hurley saw Christian in the rocking chair.

Ok so Christian is in the chair and Jacob looks out the window, this is certainly not the first time we see dead ppl on this island, and they all seem to have some sort of agenda.
I think a big mistake that most ppl are making is equaling all the dead ppl we see with Smoky, for all we know these are two very different phenomena.
In fact from what we have seen now it seems to me it never was Smoky but that dead ppl actually DO walk around on this island, that makes Eko's apparition all the more interesting since he said he was NOT his brother... what the hell was he.

If you can reach the afterlife through the island and Smoky is the Guardian, then that means he totally lives up to his name Cerebrus, the Guardian to Hades.


-Exodus

Jacob is not simply Christian. TBTB say dead people do not come back to life. When we see them I believe they are creations of the Island. Eko's brother, Kate's horse, Christian, Charlie. I don't think that was supposed to be Charlie as an angel or what have you.

Jacob predated Christian's death. By many many years, I believe.

Okay thank you to all of you who feel the need to keep popping in and shouting that CS is dead...THANK YOU. DEAD DOES NOT MEAN THAT CS CAN'T BE IN THAT CHAIR! :drowsy: Okay I got that off my chest.

All right those eye shots--that last one, of Locke does not seem to be anything close to the other two. However both of the others seem to be similar enough to be the same person. So the question should be who is the eye if it isn't Locke?

I also agree that first pic of Jacob seems different from CS. But yet I could still see it being similar. I just don't know!!! :crybaby:

Alright.

Obviously Jacob isn't Christian. Jacob has been around much longer than Christian has, and that's been the person Ben always answers to. That's a fact.

From seeing John Terry in the credits and it clearly being him in the chair, Jacob or some "spirit" took his image.

In "The Man Behind The Curtain", we flash quickly to Jacob with a hole in his head, then a close up of Ben, Locke, then an EYE (I don't see how anyone could not see it as Jacobs).

In "The Beginning of the End", after seeing Christian in the chair, another EYE appears in the window. I would only assume it's Jacobs.

So, coming from those conclusions, I'd say Christian was just a manifestation of some sort and the EYE that appeared was Jacob.

I don't think Christian is clearly Jacob. I'm not even sure that Christian is Christian, not the one that we've come to know through flashbacks anyway.

I have a feeling that this entity that looks, sounds and acts like Christian is probably not. Just because it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck doesn't necessarily mean it's a duck. Not on this show anyway.

I think that because at least two people, perhaps more, have a strong connection to this character that somehow, whatever this entity is, has picked up on that and is taking the form of Christian Shepard, maybe perhaps to gain a better insight into the lives of a few of the people on the island.

And I don't know, but the idea that this Christian shaped entity and Jacob are possibly the same thing doesn't sit well with me.

what if jacob is CHRISTIAN'S father?? jack's grandfather?? the daddy issues seems to be a central theme throughout the entire show, why wouldn't christian have daddy issues?
also back when we first saw jacob last season, he looked like an older version of christian to me.

"Jacob" is the personification of the "Island entity/force and can obviously manifest himself/itself anyway he chooses. Examples: Hurley's friend Dave - Kate's horse - Eko's brother - the black smoke - etc.
Christian Shepard is dead. This is just another manifestation of Jacob's choosing. Why he chose Christian this time - I dont know.

what if jacob is CHRISTIAN'S father?? jack's grandfather?? the daddy issues seems to be a central theme throughout the entire show, why wouldn't christian have daddy issues?
also back when we first saw jacob last season, he looked like an older version of christian to me.

That's a radical theory. I dig it.

I know it makes more sense for the eye in the window to be Locke but my reaction after replaying that scene a few times was that the eye looked like Bens father.If I knew how, I would do comparison screen caps.

what if jacob is CHRISTIAN'S father?? jack's grandfather?? the daddy issues seems to be a central theme throughout the entire show, why wouldn't christian have daddy issues?
also back when we first saw jacob last season, he looked like an older version of christian to me.Here's a thought from outside the box:

What if Jacob is Christian's grandson?

Or what if Jacob is Christian's grandson and his father?

--Väi

Actually, the inside of this particular box is bigger than the outside, so it might be better to call this a thought from inside the box...

No doubt that was Christian in the rocking chair (white tennis shoes--dead giveaway)

But I was fairly certain that Jacob was the one who popped up in the window and scared poor Hurley.


This is what I'm going with.
I think they set up the first meeting with Jacob, showing his eye looking around, as a prelude to this episode where we see it again.

I personaly think that Jacob will take on the look of anyone who has died on the island or anyone dead.

Like we may see

Ana Lucia
Ecko
Charlie
Boone
Shannon
to name a few....

Here (http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/4263/eyeoa2.jpg) is a lightened image of the eye. Looks like there is a scar above the very bushy eyebrow and the man has a mustache.

Not only it appears to have a mustache but also a beard. It looks to me like the beginning of hair on the cheek.

A lot of people here have been pointing out that Jack's dad is dead so it can't be him in the cabin. I'd just like to point out that being dead does not prevent someone from sitting you in a chair. :biggrin:

John Terry was in the credits though... that really got me looking for him.

Harold Perrineau was in the credits as well and Michael was nowhere to be seen; I don't think we should assume it had to be him simply because his name was in the credits.

As several people have explained, there is a difference between having one's name in the credits as a regular and as a guest star. Harold was billed as a regular. Regulars get billed for every episode, just like they get paid for every episode, whether or not they appear in all of them or not. A guest star's name only appears when he or she is in that specific episode.

Cardie

Harold Perrineau was in the credits as well and Michael was nowhere to be seen; I don't think we should assume it had to be him simply because his name was in the credits.

Harold Perrineau = Regular
John Terry = Guest star.


I don't understand why it's so hard to accept that it was Christian Shepherd in the rocking chair, with all the screen caps that make it very clear that it was indeed him. Whether it was the Christian we all know or some manifestation of the monster or something, we don't know, however, I don't see why he would appear for Hurley. As far as we know Hurley doesn't know him. Smokey always appeared as someone/thing that the person knew from his/her past.

As several people have explained, there is a difference between having one's name in the credits as a regular and as a guest star. Harold was billed as a regular. Regulars get billed for every episode, just like they get paid for every episode, whether or not they appear in all of them or not. A guest star's name only appears when he or she is in that specific episode.

Cardie

Exactly. That's why Ken Leung's name appeared in the credits even though his character wasn't in this episode. John Terry, as far as I know, has only been credited in those episodes he has appeared in.

That's Christian for sure. Now the last episode of last season makes sense, when during the (as we later find out) flash forward Jack says in the hospital something like "get my dad down here and see how sober he is..."

So I think Christian gets off the island with them.

Or Jack's seeing and hearing some kind of Christian apparition, just like Hurley's seeing and hearing some kind of Charlie apparition.
(And back on the island, Hurley saw the Christian and eyeman apparitions.)

Jacob's not Jack's dad. In this episode, Christian was dressed in the suit and tie we saw him wearing back in S1. Jacob wasn't wearing those, had an entirely different profile.
Also, when asked about Jacob, Darlton said
we'd not seen Jacob prior to TMBTC

Based upon the mobisodes, I've speculated that
Jacob is Christian's dad, Jack's grandfather

Or Jack's seeing and hearing some kind of Christian apparition, just like Hurley's seeing and hearing some kind of Charlie apparition.
(And back on the island, Hurley saw the Christian and eyeman apparitions.)


I dont think even this is the case. When Jack was questioned by Dr.Hamill if he was drinking, Jack jokingly says, why dont you get my father down here, to see if hes drunker than me.

Its an ironic joke that Jack made since of course his father died by over intoxicating himself.

And also I believe it was included in the episode as just a plot device to keep people thinking it was in the past in case they started to catch on before the end of the episode with the reveal.

In "The Man Behind The Curtain", we flash quickly to Jacob with a hole in his head, then a close up of Ben, Locke, then an EYE (I don't see how anyone could not see it as Jacobs).




Jacob has a hole in his head?

Yup Jacks Dad in the chair and Locke's eye in the window that freaks Hurley out, clearly.

My thoughts--Yes Christian is dead. I accept that. But he was also sitting in that chair in the cabin, and he was also in the mobisode telling Vincent to go to his son and wake him up. Charlie is dead. I accept that too. But Charlie was clearly with Hurley too and no one is screaming Charlie is dead. I don't see that being dead and being a part of the continuing story unfolding is mutually exclusive. Yes they are dead, but they are still part of the story somehow. Cool for us, yes?

My lingering questions are: Why is it Christian who keeps popping up? Why not Ana Lucia, Boone, Libby, Eko, Shannon? If Smoky is using bodies to manifest, why keep using Christian? That seems to be significant. (I admit it may also have to do with the real world actors' availability to film) Also, why would Christian appear to Hurley? Searching my memory, I don't believe Hurley would have any reason to know that was Christian, Jack's father. All he knows is that is some creepy guy in a rocking chair, and then an eye pops up and scares him.

And that eye sure looks like Desmond's to me. How that is possible when as far as we know at that moment he is traipsing about in the jungle ahead of Hurley I have no idea. But that is who it looks like to me, right down to the shape of the eye and and scraggly beard and hair.

Jorge confirmed to Kristin of E!Online that John Terry/Christian Shephard was indeed in the chair, although that was shot later. When they shot the episode, Hurley himself was in the chair.

http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristi...8-d57998c34318

Cardie

I believe that is Desmond's eye -- down to the beard and scraggly hair. No way is it Locke -- no crow's feet and the eye color and head shape are completely wrong. Upon viewing my gut reaction was Desmond and still is upon viewing the screenshots. There is quite more to Desmond than meets the eye (no pun intended!)

IMO, just because Christian ws in the rocking chair, does not mean that he is Jacob... it means he was sitting in the rocking chair. Like Jacob can't moe from the rocking chair???

If Christian were Jacob that would have to mean that either Ben had not ever spoken to Jacob before the ocenaic plane crash when Christian's boday got there

or that

Christian had somehow been to the island before the crash

what if jacob is CHRISTIAN'S father?? jack's grandfather?? the daddy issues seems to be a central theme throughout the entire show, why wouldn't christian have daddy issues?

That's a radical theory. I dig it.Interesting you should say that. In the mobisode "The Watch" Christian does imply he has daddy issues too.

Not only it appears to have a mustache but also a beard. It looks to me like the beginning of hair on the cheek.Thats all shadow & pixelation.

Its an ironic joke that Jack made since of course his father died by over intoxicating himself.I'm pretty sure Jack wasn't joking. :shrug: And I thought that IF Christian indeed is dead, that it was because he was mugged & beaten - not over-intoxicated.

Also, why would Christian appear to Hurley? Searching my memory, I don't believe Hurley would have any reason to know that was Christian, Jack's father. All he knows is that is some creepy guy in a rocking chair, and then an eye pops up and scares him.As far as I know Vincent didn't know who the heck he was either...

not too take this thread off track (reading the arguing about who was in the rocking chair is riveting and all...) but I have a theory on what/who smokey might be. it may have been discussed somewhere among the countless Lost theories out there but I've been thinking it for a while and thought I'd finally speak up. It does not solve many of the questions the show has presented but offers a solution semi-based in reality. it also perhaps helps to take away the cheesy-ness factor that there is a 'monster' sneaking around on the island. here goes...

smokey = nano cloud

i won't bother explaining because we all have access to wikipedia.

michael crichton's 'Prey' is a perfect example.

i'm a big fan of Lost but had a number of friends who were less than thrilled with the introduction of the 'smoke monster' floating about. when i offer up this theory it tends to satisfy them.

I dont think even this is the case. When Jack was questioned by Dr.Hamill if he was drinking, Jack jokingly says, why dont you get my father down here, to see if hes drunker than me.

Its an ironic joke that Jack made.
Jack didn't appear to be in a 'joking' or 'ironic' mode, imo. What makes you think he was?
He was stressed and drugged out..

Does anyone have a screencap of who was sitting in Jacob's chair in Past, Present, and Future? the frame is around 22:03 just as Locke is running out of the door they flash back to the chair and you see a man in the chair. I'm watching the HD version on the ABC Website.

I can't screen grab here, but really want to know who it was....

Jack didn't appear to be in a 'joking' or 'ironic' mode, imo. What makes you think he was?
He was stressed and drugged out..

yeah, i totally agree. Jack was not making a joke here. it doesn't make sense to say 'why dont you ask this dead person'.... i think Christian was healed after the crash and is part of the Oceanic 6.

smokey = nano cloud Producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse have specifically stated that the smoke monster is NOT any form of nanotechnology. Most of us have checked that off of our mental guess list. :smile:

:Welcome: to the Fuselage, btw.

The person in the chair in Jacob's chair was definitely Christian, but he and Jacob aren't the same people. Jacob clearly predates the crash on the island and the flash we saw of him in The Man Behind the Curtain looked nothing like Christian. Why cant two separate people just be two separate people?
Good question! Why cant two separate people just be two separate people? Probably the same reason that when Hurley imagined Jin speaking English people were sure that Jin really spoke English and this was the meaning behind the entire show.. that Jin really spoke English..
Jacob = whoever Jacob is..
Christian, though dead in some places, is simply Christian in whatever form he currently is.. which in this ep was sitting on a chair in Jacob's cabin which itself kept on moving to different places. So clearly - nothing is clear and nothing is what it seems
Just because Christian was sitting on the chair doesn't mean he was actually sitting on the chair or on the island. If there's anything you should no by now, it's that things aren't always as they appear on LOST.
Amen to things aren't always as they appear.. We're getting little bits of stuff that one day will fall into place and hopefully make sense - but for the current time, it's impossible to make sense of things looking at them as they appear at first glance.

Yes, so quite clearly the eye in the window is Locke, Jack, Desmond, Charlie, Christian, or Boone. :biggrin:
The only thing that I am certain of, is that it was Christian in the chair.

Didn't someone postulate that it was Vincents eye too? As for it being Locke's eye..
http://gallery.lost-media.com/index-29.html
If we look at everyone's eye(s) it could possibly belong to someone or possibly to someone else.. I'm sure there's fans out there that want to do retinal analysis but I'll just stick with it's someone's eye thats in a cabin that keeps moving around and it's darn spooky.

First of all It is DEFINETLY not Lockes Eye, wrong eye color.

Secondly remember that we have been seeing dead people on this island for pretty much EVERY episode of Lost so far, somewhere along the line we assumed they where either subconscious hallucinations by the viewers or Smoky manifestations.

But there is in fact no evidence to either of these two being correct.
What if the people we see are in fact from the afterlife?

When Eko saw Yemi, Yemi tells him towards the end that "I am not your brother" or something like that, after which Yemi leaves and the Smoke monster beats Eko to a pulp.

This is the instance we all assumed Yemi was Smoky, but what if it is deeper then that.


-Exodus

Or Jack's seeing and hearing some kind of Christian apparition, just like Hurley's seeing and hearing some kind of Charlie apparition.
(And back on the island, Hurley saw the Christian and eyeman apparitions.)

I've been thinking about that. It actually seems quite plausible to me that what ends up pushing Jack over the edge and wanting to go back is an apparition of Christian just like Hurley's apparitions of Charlie. Maybe Jack is being haunted by him, and is so drugged out that he actually believes Christian is in the hospital.

And of course it was used as a device to keep up off the FF, but with all the things Christian keeps popping up in, I think its very possible there's more significance.

I'm surprised people are still doubting its Christian in the chair though. Something that helps is that in the final "missing piece" (not sure if these are spoilers but just to be safe) you seethe very white shoes very distinctly, just as you do in the cabin- probably this is meant to help up recognize him.

I know it makes more sense for the eye in the window to be Locke but my reaction after replaying that scene a few times was that the eye looked like Bens father.If I knew how, I would do comparison screen caps.

This was my exact reaction as well. The eye was Roger Linus (Jon Gries) aka Roger Work Man. So we have the dead fathers of Jack and Ben as the two men in the cabin. I was surprised that only one other person in this thread thinks that...

No proof, just a refresher:
http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:3x20_Rogerlinus.png

An no, I don't think Jacob is Jack's dad, but grandfather is intriguing...

Harold Perrineau = Regular
John Terry = Guest star.


I don't understand why it's so hard to accept that it was Christian Shepherd in the rocking chair, with all the screen caps that make it very clear that it was indeed him. Whether it was the Christian we all know or some manifestation of the monster or something, we don't know, however, I don't see why he would appear for Hurley. As far as we know Hurley doesn't know him. Smokey always appeared as someone/thing that the person knew from his/her past.

Dominic Monaghan was listed with the regulars as well between Elizabeth Mitchell and Terry O'Quinn. TPTB sure went out of their way to make everyone think he was not going to be on the show anymore, at least not as a regular. Maybe it's a contractual thing? Charlie did say he's dead and he's here. Looks like Christian is dead and "here" too. If that's the case, I didn't see it coming and I love it!

out of no where she comes....

Could Jacob be the captain of the Black Pearl? (Magnus Hanso) or could he have been on the ship when it wrecked??

out of no where she comes....

Could Jacob be the captain of the Black Pearl? (Magnus Hanso) or could he have been on the ship when it wrecked??

Wait...you're saying Jacob is Jack Sparrow? That would be a shocker. :eek2:

Wait...you're saying Jacob is Jack Sparrow? That would be a shocker. :eek2:
Does that mean Johnny will be on the show? ;)

If you go to your friend Bill's house and sit in his chair does that make you Bill?

Not sure how the OP got from A to B.

If you can reach the afterlife through the island and Smoky is the Guardian, then that means he totally lives up to his name Cerebrus, the Guardian to Hades.

Ah, so then what is smoky (fulfilling Cerberus' guard dog role) guarding? Who is the master? Is it the island? Is it Jacob? Is it even Christian Sheperd? Are Jacob and the Island one and the same?

Confused!

Wait...you're saying Jacob is Jack Sparrow? That would be a shocker. :eek2:

Does that mean Johnny will be on the show? ;)

Silly rabbit *headdesk*....I KNEW I would do that too :redface: ...I meant Black ROCK.

Although JD on there would be rather nice...heheheheheheeh:biggrin:

John Terry got guest star billing, and there wasn't anywhere else he could have been. The white tennis shoes were a giveaway.

They didn't bill Dom though, did they?

Cardie

I only noticed his billing the 2nd time I watched, so obviously then I had no doubt in my mind. Of course, I had very little doubt in my mind after the preview came out anyway.

In which case, according to dvd commentary, its Jacobs eye...

No doubt, based on the commentary, the eye is definitely Jacob. I have to say, from the screencaps, it kind of looks like Mikhail to me. But I really don't think we know Jacob yet. And I really think Jacob is scared of the visitors. And Jacob is not Christian Shephard. But I do believes Jacob has somehow reanimated Christian's stolen corpse. That's the impression I got from missing piece #13 (with some help from other poster's ideas.)

Silly rabbit *headdesk*....I KNEW I would do that too :redface: ...I meant Black ROCK.

Although JD on there would be rather nice...heheheheheheeh:biggrin:

I'm with you!! What's with all the pirate ships that are Black??? ;)

AND BRING ON JOHNNY DEPP!! :thumbup:

Has anyone heard the latest Jay and Jack podcast?

Theres a very cool interview with Jorge about the filming of this episode.

In it he mentions that there was an alternate take of the Christian sitting in Jacobs chair. This involved Jorge himself sitting in the chair dressed in his Santa Rosa duds!

Interesting!

Theres also some cool bits about Hurley touching the ash circle etc that was cut out.

Two thoughts:

If the eye was Ben's Father, this would make sense as it appears that father figures are pretty big on the island...and Locke's father being killed is going to factor in significantly in future episodes if that's the case. This would link Ben, Jack and Locke, which I think is obvious from the storylines (them being the most significant characters). I'm just hoping that all this is true and Hurley gets involved so we can see a lot more Cheech.

If the eye was Desmond's this could make sense because he was "fried" by turning the key...maybe the Desmond we see right now is actually another dead body possessed by the island only this time manifesting itself to everyone as a normal guy in the group.

Just throwing out some thoughts...

Wasnt the house a figment of his imagination? So anyone could have been in the house and chair.

I think Jacob and his accompanying phenomena aren't real in a physical sense, but can manifest to people whom Jacob chooses. Hurley just got into the privileged group of Ben and Locke.

Cardie

Aren't we comparing apples to oranges here?

Season 3's Jacob and eye aren't one and the same as Season 4's ....I'm not even sure the same entity is in back of both manifestations - I'm thinking it's like becoming the Pope or something: The King is dead. Long live the King! that kind of deal.

But anyway - Season 3's down at heel Father Christmas with the hole in his head (as a poster above observed) is Kelvin I think, and the terrified eye perhaps Desmond's. Des left Kelvin unburied to the best of our knowledge; rich pickings for the reanimating entity.

Season 4's Jacob is absolutely and without a trace of a doubt, Christian.

Fabby work on the eye by everyone :smile: John works for his proximity to the shack, but I fancy Hurley may have seen himself looking back or something (mental I know - but untill proved otherwise it's an entertaining notion)

...am I the only one thinks Christian is missing his left arm?

So what about the alternate take of the scene which involved Jorge sitting where Christian was??

I found Christian's arm - in HD phew! I'd hate to see him maimed. But to other thoughts:

I now think the eye is Jacob; and that Kelvin and Christian were guests. It'll do for now.

The guy in the rocking chair is Christian Shepherd (John Terry), the guy who pops up is 'Jacob' (Rob Kyker/Carlton Cuse). End of story.

PS. It is possible that in a future episode the identity of Jacob will change and that the scenes will be reshown but with different actors. Much to the same way the airport checking in scene alters with different takes ( Jin standing behind or a bit back from Jack)

Clearly, Jacob is Aaron's grandpappy.

Ok, wasn't the Jacob from Season 3 a guy that looked kind of like Kris Kristoffersen in the 1970s? TPTB would not make such a blatant mistake as having someone that looks like that be Jacob only to have someone that look likes CS be Jacob this season. So either, Jacob can take on other forms (although it would make no sense for him to appear as CS for Hurley who never met CS), or Jacob was not sitting in the rocker in TBOTE. As to why CS or an apparition (Smokie) of CS would be in Jacob's rocker, I can't guess.

Jacks dad was definately in the chair, don't know who's eye popped up but I dont believe it was Jacob's. One of the questions on my mind is why Locke could not see Jacob fully but could hear him? My conclusion was because he didn't kill his father or maybe because his faith was challenged, but why was Jacob crying for help?

Obviously Hurley is of importance as the house seemed to welcome him, and why can Hurley imagine everything away? Hurley got all his basketball shots in probaly because he imagined it that way. There are many things throughout Lost that suggest Hurley recieves what he wants. He won the lottery, arnst blew up in Hurleys presence, Hurley saved them with the mini bus, Libby fell in love with him, the food drop, dave, charlie, the house disappeared, he got let away by the others when he was on "the list". I dont beleive this personally but its worth noting.

Yeah back to the topic, perhaps Jacob is just using Jacks dads body. Also michael's actor was maybe in the credits as it could have been his eye that popped up? I would need to see it again. I have far too many questions that would go outwith this topic. The whole thing obviously has alot to do with Claires baby who remember is Jacks dads grandson.

I think the tagline for season 4 should not be Answers are Coming but more questions are coming. More questions get raised every episode and with every fan brainstorming how can the writes achieve shocking answers?
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when you look at the first sighting of Jacob it kind of looks like Locke (this is in season 3) maybe Jacob is the future Locke as Locke stays on the island. Locke could be the last survivor of oceanic flight and become Jacob this is all made possible with the orientation video for the Orchid that shows the same rabbit in the same place - but it is crucial they do not meet each other perhaps why Jacob was invisible to Locke but partially showed himself and said "Help me", to warn Locke to leave the Island, this is his future. Confusing yeah, but the only conclusion I can come to. So Jacob, or future Locke, was somehow confronting Jacks dad for reasons unknown. I dont know, its unpredictable and possible - I dont fully believe this.

I'm sure someone's posted this by now, but could Jacob be Christian's Dad?
After all, The Mobisodes bookended with stories about Jack's Dad. In Mobisode 1, 'The Watch' Jack's Dad says... 'My father gave me this watch and now I'm giving it to you' I never thought about this until I saw this episode. But isn't it just possible that Jacob is Christian's Dad and he brought them to the Island somehow?

This is very interesting. But can jacob take on different forms? so he might appear as Jacks father to one person and someone else the next.

Because it didnt look like Jacks father when we first saw Jacob. Like I said very interesting. I enjoy reading eveyones thoughts on this.


When we first saw Jacob it wasnt John Terry in the chair if you listen to the DVD commentary, but for some reason TPTB have put Christian in the cabiln with Jacob this season...god only knows the implications of that!

ANgie
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Okay thank you to all of you who feel the need to keep popping in and shouting that CS is dead...THANK YOU. DEAD DOES NOT MEAN THAT CS CAN'T BE IN THAT CHAIR! :drowsy: Okay I got that off my chest.

All right those eye shots--that last one, of Locke does not seem to be anything close to the other two. However both of the others seem to be similar enough to be the same person. So the question should be who is the eye if it isn't Locke?

I also agree that first pic of Jacob seems different from CS. But yet I could still see it being similar. I just don't know!!! :crybaby:

The first pic isnt JT in the chair. The directors say so in the commentary. The second time it IS JT in the chair...problem solved...

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Interesting you should say that. In the mobisode "The Watch" Christian does imply he has daddy issues too.

Thats all shadow & pixelation.

I'm pretty sure Jack wasn't joking. :shrug: And I thought that IF Christian indeed is dead, that it was because he was mugged & beaten - not over-intoxicated.

As far as I know Vincent didn't know who the heck he was either...


Nope - he wasnt muggend and beaten at all. Its been a while since I have watched WR but I'll paraphrase:

Coroner: His blood alcohol level was point 91 - which for a man of his age would have bought about a sizeable and fatal miocarinal infarction.

He died from an alcohol induced heart attack...nothing else.

As for the line "Bring my father down here..." I think the OP meant it was the writers, not Jack that was joking - trying to convince us that it was an FB not an FF

Angie
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Wait...you're saying Jacob is Jack Sparrow? That would be a shocker. :eek2:


PMSL...brilliant!:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :rotflmao2: :rotflmao2: :rotflmao2:

Great thread. Lots of great input.

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Great thread. Lots of great input.

Alien Angie,
LOVE your avatar. SEXY!


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yeah but they billed Harold (Michael).... and he was not shown.

Aaah, I saw that and was so confused. I was hoping someone else would catch that. ;)

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There are some great theories on here and much speculation.

As far as I'm concerned, all we know is the following:-

1. Christian Shepherd was sitting in the rocking chair.
2. Someone looked out of the cabin.

That's it! Just because Christian was sitting in the chair, that doesn't make him Jacob.
In the same way that, if I sat on the Queen's throne, that wouldn't make me Queen.

Also, we don't even know that Hurley saw a real cabin or real people! He had a hell of a lot of hallucinations in the episode (Charlie, a room full of water, etc).

Knowing TPTB, we cannot take anything for granted from this scene.

As far as the look of Jacob last season, didn't the writers say that they had just used a 'nobody' to play the part & that the real person would appear in a later episode? Or have I just made that up?

The second person in the cabin was John Locke...he popped up in front of the window scaring Hurley!


The reason I don't think it was Locke, is because of Locke's (and Ben's) reaction to Hurley mentioning the Cabin was in a different direction. Locke seemed surprised when Hurley said it. If Locke was IN the cabin, why would he be surprised Hurley saw it?

The screen cap of the "eye" seems to show dark hair along the upper right, also, not Locke. Someone else mentioned the nose.. and each time I see "Jacob's eye", I always have to ask.. if he even has a nose!

Jacob can't come out of the cabin, but who says he can't move the cabin around? I'd not be surprised if both times Hurley saw the cabin, that it was not in a fixed place.


D/

I think Jacob is Christian Shepard which the Irony to me is hilarious b/c it's Jack's father who Jack never agreed with and both Locke and Ben follow "Jacob" and Jack does not get along or agree with many times with Locke or Ben.

Either way it would be totally awesome if Christian was Jacob. In a lot of ways we are led to believe Christian is the island and Jack desperately wants off the island.

Also in White Rabbit didn't Jack see Christian on the island and found his casket empty on the island and now suddenly we see what looks to be from screencaps Christian in the cabin.

I would love that twist.

I/T :cool:

Hi Guys,
I listened to the Jay and Jack podcast for TBoTE starring Jorge Garcia and Jorge stated that
Locke was NOT in the cabin and that the eye belonged to someone we didn't know

I go with what gutsdozer said here (http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1738508&postcount=57)
regarding the eye.