God, poor Claire. I was sobbing for her. I'm sure many people will want to post how they felt about this. I hope they give her character time to grieve, even as the action ramps up...

:frown::frown::frown:

I was pretty upset when Rose told Claire that Charlie was the real hero and that she should show him some appreciation when he gets back. That killed me.

I was glad Hurley told her, I just don't see Desmond being very good at it also I think Hurley need someone to hug, do I smell a Haire group forming, if so I want total credit for the name and membership

I also bawled. It was horrible. Excellent acting by Emilie.
100%
Hurley and Claire. Never.

PJ, I also was very upset at that moment.

Agreed, Emilie was amazing. PJ, I laughed for a second at Rose's line, and then I was like, crap, that actually wasn't funny at all! *sob*

That was just heartbreaking. I though Emilie played it perfectly. (Better than Jorge, even, although they were both very effective)

God, poor Claire. I was sobbing for her. I'm sure many people will want to post how they felt about this. I hope they give her character time to grieve, even as the action ramps up...

:frown::frown::frown:


I ended up crying again just like I did during the season finale when Charlie drowned.
Hurley had not cried yet and he was do for a cry as was Desmond and every one else. I do not think any one wanted to show grief until Claire had heard the news and Hurley had accepted the news. It was touching tonight to see Sawyer reach out to Hurley during their walk in the Jungle

The water works were on tonight, that's for sure... But then, I re-watched the finale (and Charlie's death) TWICE in the past two days.. So what's yet another crying jag..

That killed me when Hurley told Claire, but I'm glad he was the one to break it to her.. How heartbreaking.. They both did a great job and served Charlie's memory well with their performances..

I thought it was touching as they panned to Locke.. Sawyer... Sayid... etc.. In my mind, I saw each one of them interacting with Charlie - and thought of what they must be thinking.. Locke would have been remembering how proud he was of Charlie getting off the heroin.. etc..

I agree about Claire's reaction, but what really got me was Hugo's face as he told Claire the news. Man, I was crying like a baby! Charlie was such a good friend to him, and I can definitely see why Hugo said he wouldn't let Charlie's sacrifice be in vain.

my friend and i literally were holding each other's arms on the floor on my dorm room weeping! claire's reaction was heartbreaking; i agree emilie did a wonderful job, but i wished they hadn't done the hurley fb right when he hugged her...only because it broke the tension of when claire found out, and we wanted the chance to cry with her. but i really liked the scene because it was so moving.

i think im gonna be crucified for this but here goes:

ive felt for the last 2 seasons Claire has been stringing Charlie along basically using him for help. He loved her very much, which for a junkie, it was an alternative addiction to the heroin, thats why he was always so devastated when he was pushed away. All the while Claire never really treated Charlie anymore than a casual aquaintence with maybe some slightly affectionate tones. Her reaction, i wold attach more to guilt for never giving him a real relationship as opposed to babyistter and errand boy. sorry, i hope she feels guilty as sin for keeping him at arms length.

also, i do hope she finds the Driveshaft ring he left in the crib, as a constant reminder and memento

I though that both times when Charlie's death was revealed were GUT-WRENCHING!

I'm a guy but even I got a little misty. Very tragic . . . :(

Emilie's best acting so far on Lost. Definitely. She seemed to be just limping along in season 2, so I was very impressed that she properly reacted to Charlie's death. Tragic.

I thought it was touching as they panned to Locke.. Sawyer... Sayid... etc.. In my mind, I saw each one of them interacting with Charlie - and thought of what they must be thinking.. Locke would have been remembering how proud he was of Charlie getting off the heroin.. etc..

I thought the same, ame. Each person thinking of the way that Charlie had touched his/her life.

I hope, too, that we get to see that Claire found the Driveshaft ring he left behind. It would be an strong emotional payoff for the fans.

The whole cast really pulled off some great reactions. Then end with Jack and Kate looking in at the cockpit was really good. Hurley was good, especially when he stopped Desmond from telling Claire. I don't think Hurley is happy with him.

It was painful to hear Rose tell Claire that Charlie should be given the "hero treatment" due to his actions. Also painful to watch Claire walk around solo as all the other beach heroes were greeted by their loved-ones. Good scenes, but very sad ones.

Everything about Charlie's demise brings a tear to my eye. I have the DVD of S3 and have watched it many times... I STILL get a tear over Charlie's death.

Seeing Claire tonight brought the tears right on back dog gone it! :frown:

Everything about Charlie's demise brings a tear to my eye. I have the DVD of S3 and have watched it many times... I STILL get a tear over Charlie's death.

Seeing Claire tonight brought the tears right on back dog gone it! :frown:

Man, I agree.

Lost has had literally a ton of greatness -- moments, scenes, lines you name it. That is why I consider it the greatest show of all time! And alongside Star Wars as my all time favorite story.

Anyway, everytime I see that part where Charlie holds up his hand and makes sure that Des unsderstands and then shoves back and makes a cross I get misty. I think it may be the single greatest moment in this awesome epic. (And ranks up there with Han getting frozen for me as the greatest cinematic moment ever!)

i think im gonna be crucified for this but here goes:

ive felt for the last 2 seasons Claire has been stringing Charlie along basically using him for help. He loved her very much, which for a junkie, it was an alternative addiction to the heroin, thats why he was always so devastated when he was pushed away. All the while Claire never really treated Charlie anymore than a casual aquaintence with maybe some slightly affectionate tones. Her reaction, i wold attach more to guilt for never giving him a real relationship as opposed to babyistter and errand boy. sorry, i hope she feels guilty as sin for keeping him at arms length.

also, i do hope she finds the Driveshaft ring he left in the crib, as a constant reminder and memento


No tomatoes here COL, I agree with you. Claire should have shown Charlie more love when she had the chance and now time has run out for them. It pains me greatly, because I still believe that sweet budding romance had enormous potential and that Claire was slowly warming up and realizing what she had in Charlie.

The scene could have come across as cheesy, particularly since we viewers have had a long time to get used to Charlie's death. I thought the actors played it really well.

All the while Claire never really treated Charlie anymore than a casual aquaintence with maybe some slightly affectionate tones. Her reaction, i wold attach more to guilt for never giving him a real relationship as opposed to babyistter and errand boy. sorry, i hope she feels guilty as sin for keeping him at arms length.I think a lot of us feel that way. Its sad that it wasn't until TTLG when they were all on the trek to the radio tower that Claire seems to start really asking about Charlie and acting like she really cares. Add on the scene with Naomi asking Claire about her rock star boyfriend and Rose talking about treating Charlie right, it was like Claire may have finally gotten to the point that she would treat Charlie better and then she found out that chance was gone.

i wished they hadn't done the hurley fb right when he hugged her...only because it broke the tension of when claire found out, and we wanted the chance to cry with her. ITA it really broke up the scene, and it lost a lot of the impact when it cut back to the teary Hurley & Clarie. I still have to say, though, I think Hurley outdid Claire. Between Libby & Charlie, I think Hurley isn't thinking that his curse was broken by his magic Dharma bus ride.

I agree that Hurley's grief seemed more pronounced than Claire's but that was partly because Claire got all of five seconds of screentime to show it. Even still I was better than I expected it would be. I had thought it was going to be all reserved, silent tears but she was asking Hurley how it happened. I wish that scene could have gone on longer between the two of them. (and I wish Desmond would have backed Hurley up about Charlie being a hero - wtf was up with Desmond?)

(and I wish Desmond would have backed Hurley up about Charlie being a hero - wtf was up with Desmond?)I think Des might be dealing with a bit of survivor guilt.. Not only did he just witness his friend drown, he realizes Charlie drowned to save Des and the rest of the group.. And it might be sinking in that he did this (partly) for the love of Des & Penny... and Des is now facing Charlie's love, being told that he's died... That's a lot to wrestle with...

I hope they allow Claire some more time to show and share her feelings... Her scene did seem abrupt..

Have to admit i was teary eyed when rose said Charlie ws the hero, When Hurley told Claire and when Hurley gave his speech about going off with Locke

- wtf was up with Desmond?)

I think des is still stunned by watching charlie drown, because he as well feels responcible for it since it was his vision that brought him there, but also there is the fact he was so certain that it was penny coming for him, and to find out it isnt brings an element of grief there too,, that his love isnt as near as he was letting himself hope.

true, claire didnt get much screen time for reaction. It was almost a given conclusion she would be tore up, however the focus of the epi is Hugo, and the writers wanted us to focus more on Hugo than the castqaways reactions to Charlie.

No tomatoes here COL, I agree with you. Claire should have shown Charlie more love when she had the chance and now time has run out for them. It pains me greatly, because I still believe that sweet budding romance had enormous potential and that Claire was slowly warming up and realizing what she had in Charlie.

I'm with you on this. I think Claire did treat Charlie a bit rough earlier (though as a new mother of a child we can understand why), but before his death I think the two were coming to a real understanding and appreciation of each other.

I actually expected a bit more of a reaction from Claire. And I hope she and Hurley don't blame Desmond or hold it all against him, knowing how Des saw flashes and saved Charlie in earlier circumstances. The person whose reaction killed me the most (of course) was Desmond's. He looked guilt-ridden, anxious, as well as sorrowful. And I wondered if it hurt him how Hurley kind of pushed him aside to tell Claire. After all, HE was there and witnessed it all, had even tried to take Charlie's place, etc. He knew the torment Charlie had been going through better than anyone. Poor lad.

From the way the writers have been neglecting Claire I was sure she'd get told about Charlie off screen and then just look upset when everybody was talking about it, thankfully that wasn't the case..

I was happy with Claire's reaction and hopefully now we'll be seeing more from her than in the last two seasons..

To be honest, i thought the scene was a bit cheesy. I think what put me off was how much Claire had changed from Season 3. First thing i noticed was the extra makeup they slapped on her face. It did not suit her being stranded on an island for a few months already.

The other thing i noticed was her accent. From the few words she spoke during this episiode it seemed much less Aussie. Up until this ep she had a knack for overdoing the Aussie accent which contrasted nicely against the Yankie drawl everyone else has. Perhaps they asked her to tone it down a little. Or maybe her time between seasons was not spent in Oz.

It was painful to hear Rose tell Claire that Charlie should be given the "hero treatment" due to his actions. Also painful to watch Claire walk around solo as all the other beach heroes were greeted by their loved-ones. Good scenes, but very sad ones.

I think the scene with Rose was to emphasize that the relationship between Claire and Charlie had not been taken to the next level. It's what made the lost doubly tragic in the sense that the budding romance never really reached it's potential.

As for Claire's reaction. I didn't like the flashforward put in the middle of the mourning either. Took away from the scene. I hope they don't just drop how she and Hurley are dealing with it like they have with so many other things.I want to see the two of them wrestle with coming to terms with it.

eta: One of the best things to me was how she looked for him when everyone from the beach showed up. Kinda made me reminiscent of when he was the only one who came back from the hatch explosion(and she finally kissed him). This time he was the only one who didn't come back.

heart wrenching

omg, I'm still in denial about his death! Charlie was IMO the best thing that happened to the show! Aside from his past drug addiction, he was a perfect character!!!!!

I feel so terrible for Claire. Her reaction was so genuine and sweet. (Major props to EdR!) At least she has Hurley to console her somewhat, though. I have a feeling they're going to get closer (as friends) in upcoming episodes.

I feel so terrible for Claire. Her reaction was so genuine and sweet. (Major props to EdR!) At least she has Hurley to console her somewhat, though. I have a feeling they're going to get closer (as friends) in upcoming episodes.

I agree.

If you'll all excuse me, I need to go cry more... omg, I'm so sad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:charlie:

That killed me when Hurley told Claire, but I'm glad he was the one to break it to her.. How heartbreaking.. They both did a great job and served Charlie's memory well with their performances..

I thought it was touching as they panned to Locke.. Sawyer... Sayid... etc.. In my mind, I saw each one of them interacting with Charlie - and thought of what they must be thinking.. Locke would have been remembering how proud he was of Charlie getting off the heroin.. etc..


I know that was such a heartbreaking scene, it made me get all teary eyed :frown:

I was also crying when Hurley told Claire, but to tell the truth, I thought Claire was not that convincing. She almost looked like she was trying not to laugh at one point. I just don't think she's on the same level as a lot of the actors on Lost. Jorge was much more convincing.

Claire's reaction made everything alot harder. I mean, I was bawling when Hurley found out and when he told Claire, I lost it. These actors are so talented. They make it so believable.

The only thing I found wrong with Claire's reaction is that it wasn't long enough. The flash-foward really broke the moment.

the scene between Rose and Claire at the radio tower,
where Rose say's to Claire "when Charlie get's back you should treat him really well"
meaning Claire should have SEX with Charlie, made me feel really awkward and uneasy.
maybe because i've never seen Claire and Charlie as a couple,
to me they just seem like good friend's not a couple

The water works were on tonight, that's for sure... But then, I re-watched the finale (and Charlie's death) TWICE in the past two days.. So what's yet another crying jag..

That killed me when Hurley told Claire, but I'm glad he was the one to break it to her.. How heartbreaking.. They both did a great job and served Charlie's memory well with their performances..

I thought it was touching as they panned to Locke.. Sawyer... Sayid... etc.. In my mind, I saw each one of them interacting with Charlie - and thought of what they must be thinking.. Locke would have been remembering how proud he was of Charlie getting off the heroin.. etc..

That's what I saw and felt too, ame. I just finished watching my S3 Lost DVDs on Sunday and then I watch TTLG again on Wed. I had to turn away when Charlie started writing on his hand. I just couldn't take it. And, then, they showed it again in the recap show and then they showed it again on TBOTE, by the time Des was at the beach, I thought I was pretty wrung out. I was wrong and there was just scene after scene where I was glad that they are actually addressing Charlie's death and giving it it's due respect but the killer was when Hurley told Claire. They were both devastated. You don't have to go to pieces in order to evince angst. In fact, it's more credible when you keep standing but at the same time, people can tell that something's gone out of you. Very well written, very well acted on Emilie's part as well as Jorge, Ian, etc. I think Claire asserting herself at the end to go with Hurley was a wonderful tribute to the sacrifice that Charlie made. Emilie didn't get a lot of scenes but the ones she got, she made them count.

The whole cast really pulled off some great reactions. Then end with Jack and Kate looking in at the cockpit was really good. Hurley was good, especially when he stopped Desmond from telling Claire. I don't think Hurley is happy with him.

OMG!! I just about lost it all over again when they stood looking in the cockpit! Thank God the helicopter showed up or I would have been a puddle and missed the end of the show.

...and I wish Desmond would have backed Hurley up about Charlie being a hero - wtf was up with Desmond?)

... And I hope she and Hurley don't blame Desmond or hold it all against him, knowing how Des saw flashes and saved Charlie in earlier circumstances. The person whose reaction killed me the most (of course) was Desmond's. He looked guilt-ridden, anxious, as well as sorrowful. And I wondered if it hurt him how Hurley kind of pushed him aside to tell Claire. After all, HE was there and witnessed it all, had even tried to take Charlie's place, etc. He knew the torment Charlie had been going through better than anyone. Poor lad.
Claire's more of a thinker than most of the rest of the characters on the Island. She's gonna be pondering this and she may very well blame Des. It would be human to do so and, while she's a thinker, she's still pretty young (I don't think it hit me how young she probably is until I rewatched Par Avion) and, in a lot of ways, immature. Her modus operandi is lashing out when she's hurt and I can see her lashing out at Des and I can see him taking it because he believes that he's responsible for Charlie's death (whether rightfully so or not is immaterial at this point).
When you add how Des is feeling about Charlie to the fact that he did see Penny's face on the monitor before Patchy let go of the grenade, he's got a maelstrom of feeling boiling around in there. Since, in the past, he's always run away from "sticky" situations, including those that involve intense feelings, whether by physicaly running away or drowning them in a bottle, he realizes that there's no where to go and he just doesn't know what to do with all the stuff inside.
Now, the question for both Claire and Des will be, what will they do about Charlie's sacrifice?? I think Claire is going to try to do what she believes Charlie would want her to do as she did when she agreed with Hurley and left with Locke. Some say Des won't have any more flashes. If that's the case, he won't have a road map about what to do next.

The best thing about Claire's, Hurley's, and even Des' and Sawyer's reactions was the time spent in the epi about the loss of Charlie, and his heroism. I think that many Charlie fans thought that it would be "glossed over". I'm a Charlie fan...

One of the most interesting things to me (and it's human nature for someone to be in denial and say this), but I noticed that both Claire and Hurley would not say "died". They both avoided that word, not finishing their sentences. Yes, Hurley did say "he's dead. Charlie's dead", but maybe there's a hint that Charlie will be back (other than this epi)...

The best thing about Claire's, Hurley's, and even Des' and Sawyer's reactions was the time spent in the epi about the loss of Charlie, and his heroism. I think that many Charlie fans thought that it would be "glossed over". I'm a Charlie fan...

One of the most interesting things to me (and it's human nature for someone to be in denial and say this), but I noticed that both Claire and Hurley would not say "died". They both avoided that word, not finishing their sentences. Yes, Hurley did say "he's dead. Charlie's dead", but maybe there's a hint that Charlie will be back (other than this epi)...

I loved that they gave real time for the reactions too, Tabby. I was one of those fans who thought they were going to "gloss over" Charlie's death and I was gearing up to be very poed! I had to gear down, thank goodness.

I think it's natural for Hurley and Claire not to be able to say "died". It puts it in the past tense and, therefore, is iirevocable and more real. It may take some time before they can actually say the word.

Oh yeah... Rose's comment to Claire - We have to remember that although we, as the audience, knew he was gone, only Desmond knew it too on the Island and I thought Rose's comment was wonderful. It showed acceptance of Claire into the "womanhood" of the Losties (it's the same as your mother or "mother figure" sharing an intimate secret or moment about themselves for the first time.). For so long, on the Island, Claire felt like a "freak" or a spectacle and thought everyone was judging her for being a single pregnant girl. I'm sure Rose assumed that Claire's been "thanking" Charlie for a little while now. It was poignant to us because of the missed opportunity for the couple but, for Claire, it was an affirmation that no one would judge her for being involved with Charlie, IMO.

Now, the question for both Claire and Des will be, what will they do about Charlie's sacrifice?? I think Claire is going to try to do what she believes Charlie would want her to do as she did when she agreed with Hurley and left with Locke. Some say Des won't have any more flashes. If that's the case, he won't have a road map about what to do next.

I think Des will be very motivated to get to the bottom of this latest mess, not only for his own sake but so that he doesn't feel like Charlie died in vain and so that Claire's rescue will indeed happen, which is why Charlie sacrificed himself. I agree with you that Claire's initial reaction could very well be to lash out at Des (and feel bad afterwards) and that Des' reaction will be to feel horrible and guilty. After all, everyone keeps calling him a coward, etc. and so far he tends to believe it, poor thing.

I don't know about some of you but let's not forget that Claire did just have another man's baby. Even though single motherhood is common these days there is still a stigma attached to a single woman who "hooks up" with every guy that comes along. So for her to be very cautious of a drug addict she hardly knew was realistic IMO and understandable. So I think their relationship was set at a good pace and I think Claire's reaction was appropriate.

I agree with what most of us are saying here. Kudos to Emilie de Ravin for being such a fantastic actress (if you need further proof, go watch Par Avion)- I think she pulled off the scene tremendously, and the way the camera framed her captured the emotion of the scene so well. Also, as a side note, I loved getting to see a little side of Dirty Rose!

she always does a good job with crying! I remember when she had the scenes with her mother on the show that they were really good. That was a very touching scene between Hurley and Claire.

God, poor Claire. I was sobbing for her. I'm sure many people will want to post how they felt about this. I hope they give her character time to grieve, even as the action ramps up...

:frown::frown::frown:

Yea, that was probably the saddest scene I have ever seen on Lost. I'm a dude, so I didn't cry, but it was sad. I was glad they interrupted it with a flash-forward, but I feel like it would have been even more powerful if they stayed with Hurly and Claire instead of breaking it up with the flash.

I ended up crying again just like I did during the season finale when Charlie drowned.
Hurley had not cried yet and he was do for a cry as was Desmond and every one else. I do not think any one wanted to show grief until Claire had heard the news and Hurley had accepted the news. It was touching tonight to see Sawyer reach out to Hurley during their walk in the Jungle

Mhmm. I really enjoyed seeing Sawyer showing some sort of interest to a B-teamer.

I sure as hell hope that someone goes and has a talk with Claire in episode 2.

Oh yeah... Rose's comment to Claire - We have to remember that although we, as the audience, knew he was gone, only Desmond knew it too on the Island and I thought Rose's comment was wonderful. It showed acceptance of Claire into the "womanhood" of the Losties (it's the same as your mother or "mother figure" sharing an intimate secret or moment about themselves for the first time.). For so long, on the Island, Claire felt like a "freak" or a spectacle and thought everyone was judging her for being a single pregnant girl. I'm sure Rose assumed that Claire's been "thanking" Charlie for a little while now. It was poignant to us because of the missed opportunity for the couple but, for Claire, it was an affirmation that no one would judge her for being involved with Charlie, IMO.

That makes sense, I didn't think of like that. Well put.

The scene between Rose, Sun, and Claire at the radio tower was crucial because their happiness underscored the tragedy that we, as the audience knew was coming and made the impending news even more tragic. The thing that got me was the look on Claire's face when the two groups came back together and she looked for Charlie was what got me, the joy and pride that her boyfriend was a hero just underscored the tragedy.

It was touching tonight to see Sawyer reach out to Hurley during their walk in the Jungle

I agree. Sawyer has really come a long way. I thought that was a great scene. It makes sense that he acted that way after last season when Hurley sneakily tricked Sawyer into being nice to people. And of the people he was especially nice to was Claire.

I'm sure also that Sawyer has a lot of guilt toward his relationship with Charlie, as Sawyer used Charlie during one of Charlie's absolute lowest moments--abducting Sun and hurting her.


I thought it was touching as they panned to Locke.. Sawyer... Sayid... etc.. In my mind, I saw each one of them interacting with Charlie - and thought of what they must be thinking.. Locke would have been remembering how proud he was of Charlie getting off the heroin.. etc..

I hope Locke was also thinking about what a d**k he was to Charlie, but who knows? Everyone on the island has had SUCH complicated relationships with each other! Where they have come from in the Pilot to where they are now? Wow.

(and I wish Desmond would have backed Hurley up about Charlie being a hero - wtf was up with Desmond?)

I think Des doesn't know what to do with himself right now. He foresaw Charlie's death and he saw Charlie actually die. I think he's in shock. I think he feels guilty. Plus, he just missed his chance to connect with Penny.... I think he is just very confused and shocked right now. Plus, he wasn't exactly "friends" with Charlie, like Hurley was. He just had this relationship with him that was mostly related to the fact that he kept envisioning Charlie's death....

I think the scene with Rose was to emphasize that the relationship between Claire and Charlie had not been taken to the next level. It's what made the lost doubly tragic in the sense that the budding romance never really reached it's potential.

Right, there had to be sweet, optimistic feeling in the story to lead into the sad moment that we all knew was coming. I'm personally not convinced that Claire really thought Charlie had survived. She knew he had reached his task, but she also knew that Charlie's death was envisioned by Desmond. And she knew that Charlie's mission was a dangerous one. I think she was still quite nervous when the parties were approaching each other, and then when she didn't see Charlie, it really dawned on her.... and then was tragically confirmed by Hurley.


Oh yeah... Rose's comment to Claire - We have to remember that although we, as the audience, knew he was gone, only Desmond knew it too on the Island and I thought Rose's comment was wonderful. It showed acceptance of Claire into the "womanhood" of the Losties (it's the same as your mother or "mother figure" sharing an intimate secret or moment about themselves for the first time.). For so long, on the Island, Claire felt like a "freak" or a spectacle and thought everyone was judging her for being a single pregnant girl. I'm sure Rose assumed that Claire's been "thanking" Charlie for a little while now. It was poignant to us because of the missed opportunity for the couple but, for Claire, it was an affirmation that no one would judge her for being involved with Charlie, IMO.

ITA very good point.

Slightly OT but I thought of another reason why Desmond might choose to go with Jack and not follow Charlie's warning -- The last time Desmond listened to Locke he let the timer go down, imploded the hatch and the flashes started, which caused Desmond to see Charlie's death and prompted him to send him down there on a suicide mission which brought the freighter and caused this whole mess to begin with. Desmond probably isn't all about trusting Locke right now. As the lesser of two evils and even if they aren't who they say they are, Desmond just might go with Jack, meet up with the rescuers himself and decide then and there what to do about it.

About Rose's joke to Clarie... I find it odd and kind of inappropriate that she could have meant sex by that (although I personally don't believe that she did at all). I mean, here we have a young girl who already has one baby, on an island with no contraception available (presumably) where everyone knows that pregnancy kills you! I don't think Rose is that... forgetful.

I think this was just a light-hearted scene in the vein of Hurley's cannonball: a last moment of innocent hope and unawareness before the bomb drops...

I agree. I didn't get the sex vibe at all. She just said, he's a hero, when he comes back treat him good. To me that meant be extra nice to him, take care of him, because everyone knows Charlie and Claire have had their share of friction in the past.

I thought it was great the way Claire was looking around for Charlie and I liked that it was Hurley that broke the news to her. I was sobbing like a baby...

I hope that Des finds the wet note in his pocket and shows Claire that Charlie's Greatest Hit was "...the night I met you" :cry:

Rose's comment ended with "when we get off the island", and we are also assuming every lostie knows that pregnancy kills. The kicker will be seeing if anything develops in Kate.

So sad, and it seemed that the way they had Aaron cry and fuss that he was tied in emotionally to what was happening to poor Charlie!

I thought Emily and Jorge both did a great job in the scene where Hurley told Claire. Hats off to both of them and it was also really nice to see Sawyer trying to make sure Hurley was ok. I hope that Hurley and Claire become closer now.

Pretty sure Rose was talking about sex. I mean, Claire certainly reacted as though Rose was talking about sex. And Sun gave Claire a knowing smile.

***Mod edited*** Treat him extra nice, like, ok, sure, sex... Didnt Kate and Sawyer have sex too? I dont see the big deal...

I hope that Des finds the wet note in his pocket and shows Claire that Charlie's Greatest Hit was "...the night I met you" :cry:

The interesting thing about that is Claire goes with Locke and it appears Des stays with Team Jack. You'd think before separating Des would give that list to Claire (though how it and the ink could survive Des' underwater swim would be beyond me). I'm curious to see if this was just sloppy writing or if we'll learn that Des has a motive for not sharing the list immediately. The writers sure seemed to make an effort NOT to let Desmond speak in this episode (which seemed a wee bit contrived to me, all things considered).

all this about how inappropriate Rose was in suggesting she give him the heros welcome.... first of all,, she didnt know CHarlie was dead!!!. I agree witht he earlier posting that She and Sun were adopting her into a sisterhood of not just women, but of attached women. She was recognizing the relationship between Claire and Charlie as more than mere friendship, and showing a maternalness. Besides, there are sexual expectations attached to events. tell me women dont calculate whether or not they will " put out" depending upon the valentines gift they recieve, or anniversary rememberred, or birthday. surely risking life and limb to provide rescue ranks up there?

Remember CLaire is a young girl, very naive about the world. She hasnt really been treated like a freak, she has been protected, shes a young girl who was pregger and now a single mom with a new baby. All the other stuff goin on ( no pun intended), she just wasnt in a position to take place. activity is limited to making sure she and Aaron are safe.

I thought Emile did a great job with the little scenes she had, she didn't have to say much, you could tell she was heartbroken by the look on her face. It takes a very good actor to show such pain without saying anything, Jorge's performance was just as good, I'm so glad the premiere was a Hurley-centric episode and Charlie's death was handled very well by the actors and writers.

I am a little confused about what's going on with Desmond. He seems so quiet, maybe it is just because of everything that has happened but I thought he would've been more vocal in this episode. I hope Charlie's greatest hits list survived underwater and Desmond gets the chance to give it to Claire, that would be a brilliant but heartbreaking scene.

I just hope Claire finds that ring!

God, I know PJ. Is anyone going to go back to the beach to gather their remaining belongings?

Besides, there are sexual expectations attached to events. tell me women dont calculate whether or not they will " put out" depending upon the valentines gift they recieve, or anniversary rememberred, or birthday. surely risking life and limb to provide rescue ranks up there?



OMG, Please tell me that this is not really your world view and you were trying to be funny?
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Because otherwise, you are saying that all women are prostitutes of one type or another. I don't believe that in the real world, and I don't believe it of the LOST women.

I just hope Claire finds that ring!

Me too, PJ!! I've thought and thought about that ring and Charlie's list and hope it doesn't fall through the cracks due to timing on the show.

God, I know PJ. Is anyone going to go back to the beach to gather their remaining belongings?

I was just telling hubby that it looks like they won't be at the beach anymore. What with Juliet digging a grave right beside the Van and they were laying the dead out on the beach like they were bury them there instead up on Boone Hill.
However, the beach was Jack's destination before they all met up at the fuselage. So, it's anyone's guess but I sure hope some of them do and they get the stuff from the camp - including the ring.

I was just telling hubby that it looks like they won't be at the beach anymore. What with Juliet digging a grave right beside the Van and they were laying the dead out on the beach like they were bury them there instead up on Boone Hill.

Actually that made sense because if you recall, they don't bury their enemies on Boone Hill. Ethan was buried apart from their own people. These were the Others they were burying, so it would be somewhere else.

However, the beach was Jack's destination before they all met up at the fuselage. So, it's anyone's guess but I sure hope some of them do and they get the stuff from the camp - including the ring.

I'm thinking they make take advantage of Desmond for this discovery. He's the one of the group that will be heading back to the beach. Maybe he starts brooding over Charlie's things left behind in Claire's tent and he finds the ring. It would be cool if he then gave Claire both the letter and the ring.

Actually that made sense because if you recall, they don't bury their enemies on Boone Hill. Ethan was buried apart from their own people. These were the Others they were burying, so it would be somewhere else.

That's true, pj. I just thought it was weird that Juliet was digging the grave indside the beach camp but I guess they figure it doesn't really matter at this point.


I'm thinking they make take advantage of Desmond for this discovery. He's the one of the group that will be heading back to the beach. Maybe he starts brooding over Charlie's things left behind in Claire's tent and he finds the ring. It would be cool if he then gave Claire both the letter and the ring.

I hope it's this scenario. I think it would be fitting and something that Des needs to do!

OMG, Please tell me that this is not really your world view and you were trying to be funny?
:eek2:

Because otherwise, you are saying that all women are prostitutes of one type or another. I don't believe that in the real world, and I don't believe it of the LOST women.

half-hearted joke, but realistically, yes. no, not women are prostitutes. people in general are. we do the majority of the things we do based upon a mental tally of personal gain. were a man to take a woman to McDonalds or a fancy restaurant, which has a better chance of "getting lucky"? keeping in frame with the LOST women, ok. Sawyer tried to get a lil "afternoon delight" after Kate returned from the barracks with Jack and Juliette. SHe shut him down, he asked if she needed him to make a mix tape. she agreed. this of course was a joke but the real message was "try harder stupid".. in other words, of course she desires him, but he has to "earn" it. not necessarily through physical gifts, but understanding and attentiveness. Kate has shown through flashbacks she is no stranger to using sexuality to get what she wants. Ana Lucia jumps sawyers bones just to get her hands on a gun,

So bak to Rose' comment. she was advising Claire that CHarlie was deserving of her love. be it emotionally and physically. lets not be naive, it is very common for women to "reward" men with sex.

So bak to Rose' comment. she was advising Claire that CHarlie was deserving of her love.

And that was the point of the whole line, regardless of the how.

So bak to Rose' comment. she was advising Claire that CHarlie was deserving of her love. be it emotionally and physically. lets not be naive, it is very common for women to "reward" men with sex.

Yes, because (keeping with generalities here ;) ) what could possibly mean more to a man than sex?

Re: going back to the beach! I can't picture Lost without the beach! I know they had a different beach camp originally. And we had the Caves. But THE BEACH? They've got to go back! And I agree--Claire needs to get the letter and the ring. But I've been concerned with the letter since TTLG because I don't think Desmond had any possible way of keeping it dry. He put it in his shirt pocket and then dove in. I wouldn't put it past TPTB to figure out some way for it to be salvaged, but still.... it should be ruined by the water (or just plain lost).

it was written in sharpie,, the same sharpie he wrote on his hand with. so likely it survived. the letter in itself is kinda irrelevant, its the ring that has more meaning and symbolism.

God, poor Claire. I was sobbing for her. I'm sure many people will want to post how they felt about this. I hope they give her character time to grieve, even as the action ramps up...

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I'm sure she'll get more time to grieve after Aaron chokes to death on the Drive Shaft ring that Charlie so carelessly left in the crib.

I don't know about some of you but let's not forget that Claire did just have another man's baby. Even though single motherhood is common these days there is still a stigma attached to a single woman who "hooks up" with every guy that comes along. So for her to be very cautious of a drug addict she hardly knew was realistic IMO and understandable. So I think their relationship was set at a good pace and I think Claire's reaction was appropriate.

Yeah, one of the things that drew me to the CC relationship was that it was so simple and sweet - They weren't scewing around all the time like some OTHER Losties... *coughsawyercough* ;)

I agree. I didn't get the sex vibe at all. She just said, he's a hero, when he comes back treat him good. To me that meant be extra nice to him, take care of him, because everyone knows Charlie and Claire have had their share of friction in the past.

Well, regardless of what Rose meant by her comment, to me it seemed that Claire took it as a reference to sex. Just the way she reacted... But I think Rose was sort of just joking around, considering that everyone thought they were getting rescued and were in a pretty jovial mood.

This was the best scene in the episode. I felt so bad for both of them, losing the one person on the island that they truly loved and cared about.

I think they did a perfect job of putting the flash forward with Charlie in between this scene it worked out so perfectly. I went from depressed, to extremely excited seeing Charlie again, to confused wondering what the heck is going on, to depressed again with the end of the emotional hug between Hurley and Claire.