It is soooooooooo interesting to have the FF and to see that Hurley regrets his decision.

I just have NO idea how we get from where we are on the island to where we are off of the island.

Theories?

I don't know cause they never really say anything about it...obviously. But I don't think that the way we are told they are getting off now is the way they will get off...I don't know I just don't think that.

yeah this kinda confuses me
hurley goes with locke, but regrets doing so, BUT he wants to go back to the island... so wouldn't that agree with locke's point of view?

Somehow, Jack must have been right. And the group splitting up caused some of them to be able to go home... while others were trapped/killed by the boat people? They were able to divide and conquer? This is clearly the big new mystery - how 6 people get separated from the bunch, and why they are now lying about what happened.

Well, it is very confusing that Hurley and Locke both eventually believe that they need to return to the island. The only thing I don't get is why Hurley regretted going with Locke since I wholeheartedly believe he remained.

but if jack was right, why is he so miserable and wanting to go back in the other flash-forward?

What I found shocking was that Rose and Bernard went with Jack. I thought for sure that Rose would want to stay and hse had a rappoirt with Locke but seemed "begrudging" toward him.

Somehow, Jack must have been right. And the group splitting up caused some of them to be able to go home... while others were trapped/killed by the boat people? They were able to divide and conquer? This is clearly the big new mystery - how 6 people get separated from the bunch, and why they are now lying about what happened.

Right, so this is the big mystery. Kudos to TPTB.

The thing is: Jack and Hurley BOTH get off the island. But they just separated on the island. So it's much more complicated than splitting the group in half and one leaves and one stays. There is clearly much more to it. And I am DYING to know the secret!

Of all the wonderful points to ponder of tonight's episode, I thought that this was the most important. Hurley sides with Locke to not trust the Not Penny's Boat people, yet Hurley apparently gets off the island anyway. And he regrets not having stayed with Jack. It must have something to do with how they actually left the island that left the others behind. And the man that asked Hurley if they were still alive leads me to think that part of their getting off of the island had to do with lying about the fact that they left the rest of the group behind. In typical Lost fashion, tonight Locke looked right and Jack wrong, but nothing is really as it seems to be. So is Hurley saying that Jack was right all along to want to get off the island? Then why would Hurley say that the island wants them to come back? Maybe if everyone abandons Jack, Jack is forced to make some sort of deal that leads to whatever it is that happens. Is it next week yet?

i know thats whats been puzziling me too. Ohhh boy this season will be fun!!! Im guessing there will be a large gap between the "rescue" and the ff's

but if jack was right, why is he so miserable and wanting to go back in the other flash-forward?

I'm guessing that it has something to do with what that lawyer wants to know about, the people that are left behind.

This was one of the most intriguing lines of the night... What happened... Was there only room for 6 on the rescue helicopter? (if that's what they used).. Did the other Losties make the rescued 6 promise to not give them up? Did the remaining losties all die?

I can almost imagine that Locke will continue to do things that seem insane (like blowing up subs, killing rescuers..) and Hurley flees to Jack.. But deep-down I still believe in Locke..

If all the other Losties died, would there be any need to go back? Yet Hurley seems sure already that they need to and Jack certainly does later (by the time he grows that beard he mentioned).

I'm very curious how long passes before they actually leave the island.

Yeah I thought it was an excellent scene where Hurley tells Jack that he should've never have left him. So, as typical Lost fashion. the Oceanic six is a lot more complicated that we originally imagined. What is curious to me is that in this FF we see Jack pretty much totally composed. But in TTLG he is a total wreck, makes me wonder what happen in between these two points in time. He almost reminded of Kate in this episode, because to me he acted like Kate in TTLG. Comments?

If all the other Losties died, would there be any need to go back? I was thinking of this in light of a possible circular time effect.. that they may be able to go back and "correct" things.

I'm very curious how long passes before they actually leave the island.Not sure if there were any clues in tonight's episode, such as the license plate on Hurley's car or stuff like that...

Yeah this is really confusing... unless it's just a matter of "live together, die alone". Maybe Jack was wrong... after all it seems the freighter people aren't good... but perhaps if they would have stayed as a group things would have somehow been better?

I dunno, I don't know, all in all I'm very confused. However, I think this conclusively proves that flash-forwards are awesome, it adds SOOO much depth and intrigue into the story, but it keeps moving it forward... kudos TPTB, I'm really looking forward to the rest of this season.

Some good mysteries for this season. Too bad it is going to get cut off half way through.

Well we now know what the 6 meant in the Lost trailer these past months.

BUT a HUGE monkey wrench is that Desmond foresaw Claire and Aaron getting on the "rescue" copter. But they both leave with Locke??????!!!!

My guess about Hurley and Jack wanting to go back is because they left friends behind -- a new life or clean slate in which they were actually better off and away from the demons of the real world.

I just can't believe that Jack would abandon everyone. It doesn't seem possible. And right now, on the island, Hurley and Jack are separated, so it doesn't seem like that they are going to suddenly team up and be on a rescue helicopter together.
And I'm sure it's much more heart-wrenching than simply only being room for 6 people on board.
So I just can't figure it out.

Man, seriously, kudos to TPTB. They BROUGHT it.

I really hope the writers don't make Locke seem like the bad guy in all of this. I have suscribed to beliefs of this character, his views on the island....I LOVED when he stabbed Naomi and am 100% behind the decision to stay on the island. Hugo apologizing for going with Locke has me worried a bit. Then again, seeing Jack in the finale last year also gives me hope that YES, Locke is right!

This is the beauty of the show:

1- We are always kept guessing
2- Nothing is as it seems

Hats off to everyone involved in creating this episode. You have here one very pleased fan.

I think Hurley thought up Charlie due to the stress Hurley was under about his decision. And I'm thinking that Hurley regrets "going with Locke" (if that is indeed what he ended up doing) because he's got no rest since. The thing is, we don't know where in time they are in the FFs. And that's kind of important, yes?


This was one of the most intriguing lines of the night... What happened... Was there only room for 6 on the rescue helicopter? (if that's what they used).. Did the other Losties make the rescued 6 promise to not give them up? Did the remaining losties all die?

I can almost imagine that Locke will continue to do things that seem insane (like blowing up subs, killing rescuers..) and Hurley flees to Jack.. But deep-down I still believe in Locke..

I like how you question the meaning of 6, ame en peine. 6 could mean something other than the number of people who got off the island. What if they were the 6th batch of folks off the island. Or maybe Oceanic 6 is the name of the flight that brought them all back to...where ever they are now. Did Hurley and Jack live in the same area before the crash? I have to disagree with you on Locke though. I just don't trust him. It isn't a question of sanity. He's sneaky and secretive. He may never have harmed anyone (kinda messed up what he did to Boone and Naomi) but how has he helped?

I really hope the writers don't make Locke seem like the bad guy in all of this. I have suscribed to beliefs of this character, his views on the island....I LOVED when he stabbed Naomi and am 100% behind the decision to stay on the island. Hugo apologizing for going with Locke has me worried a bit. Then again, seeing Jack in the finale last year also gives me hope that YES, Locke is right!

I'm sure Hurley chose to go with Locke because he thought he was siding with what Charlie was trying to warn them about, not necessarily what Locke was on.

I just can't believe that Jack would abandon everyone. It doesn't seem possible. :shrug: Why not? He was going to leave in the submarine without anyone else...

What if Locke is the one who isn't what he seems, rather than the people on the ship?

Maybe the reason Hurley regrets siding with Locke and the fact only 6 leave the island are tightly related. Who knows what Locke's true motivation ever really is, maybe he has some grand plan that puts a lot of people in harm's way...

Maybe between now and the time they get rescued (my money is on the season finale), the losties learn a significant portion of what the island is, sufficient enough to convince them all that it MUST be kept secret, as so many have said. It's possible that the majority of the people decide to stay, with 6 feeling they need to go back. The only way to maintain secrecy is to say the rest of the people on the flight died, and in order for that to be true, they would have very little connection except amongst the six.

So far what we've seen from half of our returnees, they are trying to get back into their old lives, but are continually haunted. Jack, once again, trying to will his way through a situation and find the location of the island, and he doesn't know exactly where to start. That, coupled with a death, puts him on the edge of suicide. Hurley hasn't faired much better. He's already been prone to mental instability, and has demonstrated that his time in the asylum didn't alleviate all of his problems when he re-manifested Dave and manifested Frogurt in the missing pieces video (who incidentally seem to represent his mischievious side and a reflection of his insecurity respectively). He also puts Jack on the path to the Jack we see in S3 finale. Jack, in turn does the same for Kate.

It seems to me they all regret the decision to leave the island. Either their place is on the island and they left it and are now feeling the repercussions, or they have some unfinished business there. As someone said earlier, if everyone was dead, there would be no reason to go back, and I find it hard to believe that there's only room for six on the boat (especially one equipped with at least two helicopters). Something is driving them back to the island.

As to why Hurley regrets not going with Jack, maybe there is something in Jack's group that Hurley misses out on, or perhaps something happens that Hurley could have prevented but he wasn't there, maybe even something relating to why the 6 felt they had to leave. Regardless, even though they did tease a bit too much for the rest of the season (considering it's only an 8 episode season, and we've only got 7 episodes left), I thought it was a great setup, and I look forward to seeing how it does all come out in the wash..

I figure that Hurley didn't want to stay on the Island and be one of the "new others", which it appears Locke and crew are destined to become. I would fathom that their plan would be to head to "the Temple" where the rest are. Hurley always seems to get let go to return where ever, and this might be a case of that. If you could leave and your worth a hundred million+ dollars I believe you might start thinking about the comforts of home eventually.

I think Jack's main focus in getting back may ultimately be Claire, since it would be logical for Jack to regret leaving her behind if she didn't get off.

As for Hurley, "I think THEY want us to come back"...now who is they? Maybe they, who seem to be using apparitions to guide Hurley onto the "one true path", are the same "they" who used the apparitions on the island to get their agenda accomplished there-whispers anyone?.....(<>..<>)

:shrug: Why not? He was going to leave in the submarine without anyone else...

He was leaving on the submarine to get and bring back help for everyone else, he simply was just abandoning them.

Well the impression I get is that they are trying to make Locke into the eventually bad guy and take over Ben's role. I think when Rose said "I"m not going anywhere with that man", I think TPTB wanted to lay that thought in our heads because they made Rose say it and not anyone else.

What I found shocking was that Rose and Bernard went with Jack. I thought for sure that Rose would want to stay and hse had a rappoirt with Locke but seemed "begrudging" toward him.

I don't think that we can say for certain Rose wants to leave the island, and that's why she went with Jack. I think maybe her plan is to stay, but to not go with Locke, which may have something to do with the fact he just actually stabbed someone in the back.

I don't think Rose's decision speaks to her final intentions.

Since we know that Jack (eventually) wants to go bad so badly and Hurley obviously does too, I wonder if the entire last season will take place in the "real world" with the Oceanic 6 coming together to go back for the other survivors.

Part of me thinks that the freighter people kidnap the most influential people on the island or the people they view as their biggest threats.

Then they contact the media on their way to land and tell them who they found ... at that point there's almost a no point going back/selfish mindset.

I really have absolutely no idea what is going to happen and I like it that way :D. Seriously, I still think that the Freighties won't be responsible for the rescue of the Oceanic Six, but Ben will. I seriously don't know how this is going to play out, especially what part Oceanic Airlines will play in it, but I'm so excited to find out.

I'm guessing it is a life or death choice that Locke asks Hurley to make over one of the other Oceanic 6. Hurley decides to not kill and Locke turns his back on him.

I know that idea is an extreme...but I can see Locke playing a heavy duty mind game on Hurley that way, then shunning him.

but if jack was right, why is he so miserable and wanting to go back in the other flash-forward?

Jack said in the end of S3 that he hated lying. My guess is that the cover-up finally gets to him and he realizes that he was wrong for leaving the island. Perhaps the funeral that he attends really drives the point him for him even more. ??

It is interesting though, that once again we have two groups of Losties. You can defer that Jack and crew get off the island bc Hurley was with Locke.

Man, I love this show.
100%
I just can't believe that Jack would abandon everyone. It doesn't seem possible. And right now, on the island, Hurley and Jack are separated, so it doesn't seem like that they are going to suddenly team up and be on a rescue helicopter together.
And I'm sure it's much more heart-wrenching than simply only being room for 6 people on board.
So I just can't figure it out.

Man, seriously, kudos to TPTB. They BROUGHT it.
But Jack was going to abandon everyone when he had the possibility of leaving the island via sub with Juliet.

What if Locke is the one who isn't what he seems, rather than the people on the ship?

Maybe the reason Hurley regrets siding with Locke and the fact only 6 leave the island are tightly related. Who knows what Locke's true motivation ever really is, maybe he has some grand plan that puts a lot of people in harm's way...
I have no idea what's up with Locke, but at this moment I think that Locke might be the one making bad decisions, leading up to no good at all and Hurley regretting going with Locke. I'm not sure if it is about Locke and a masterplan or him just being blinded by obsession, like his obsession with the hatch, the button etc.

Maybe Hurley's choice to go with Locke ends up being the cause for only 6 getting off the island? Jack didn't seem to upset when Hurley apologized though - "water under the bridge". I think Hurley was just letting Jack know he recognized the bad decision he made.
MAN- I love this show. Welcome back people!

Maybe the "Oceanic 6" are merely the ones who returned to the USA, and maybe Claire & Aaron got off too, as Desmond foretold, but went to Australia instead.

Perhaps John is influenced by Jacob...as is/was Ben?

I think that Hurley regrets not going with Jack because of what happened to some of the people with Jack. What if, the people who met the helicopter people were largely slaughtered except for Kate and Jack? And the hero in Hurley that drove a VW Van onto the beach wanted to be there to help? And Kate and Jack escaped the melee - she's particularly good at that . . . . and they were able to use something left behind by
freighter people to escape? What if, in whatever they escaped in (the helicopter?) they could only fit 6? And what if, the guilt about their actions - leaving others behind, getting people killed - made them concoct a mutual lie about what happened?

And here's a question.

Hurley and Charlie were friends. If you saw a FRIEND that was a ghost or that you knew was dead - would you run from him/her? Or would you run from him/her because you felt GUILTY about something?

(Of course it could just be Hurley's fear of being crazy and hallucinating.)

Hurley and Charlie were friends. If you saw a FRIEND that was a ghost or that you knew was dead - would you run from him/her? Or would you run from him/her because you felt GUILTY about something?

I would run period. I don't even need to feel guilty about something to run away from a ghost. The whole idea of seeing a ghost scares me big time.

Yeah I thought it was an excellent scene where Hurley tells Jack that he should've never have left him. So, as typical Lost fashion. the Oceanic six is a lot more complicated that we originally imagined. What is curious to me is that in this FF we see Jack pretty much totally composed. But in TTLG he is a total wreck, makes me wonder what happen in between these two points in time. He almost reminded of Kate in this episode, because to me he acted like Kate in TTLG. Comments?

Well, perhaps the Jack in this scene was another form of Mr. Oceanic Lawyer.

I would run period. I don't even need to feel guilty about something to run away from a ghost. The whole idea of seeing a ghost scares me big time.

Really?

Even if it was someone you love(d)?

I've always wondered about that in movies and tv - why does somebody become "something" to be afraid of if you see them after he/she dies?

I mean I haven't any ghosts, but if someone I really loved came to me after he/she died - I guess I think I'd assume there was something he/she thought I needed to hear. I'd be grateful they made the effort when there had to be A LOT of other stuff going on for them.

I'm guessing some kind of catastrophic failure resulting from Locke's leadership. That, or Hurley just feels bad about abandoning his buddy Jack.

The sudden transformation of Locke from knife throwing super man to the guy Jack took down and couldn't even find the gun tucked in his waistband is an interesting juxtaposition of Locke's position in this series of events. I mean, until that confrontation it seemed Locke was the one with the answers. Then when Jack stood up to him, he was diminished, cowering, so unlike what we had seen just minutes before.
I think when Hurley threw his support behind Locke Jack knew that a number of the Losties would side with him, and Hurley's great regret is that he knew that would happen. And it ended badly for those Losties, which we will see play out in future installments.

I agree with Macgregor. Hurley feels guilty because noone would have went with Locke had Hurley not opened the flood gates and, ultimately, it did not turn out well. Hence, Hurley feels guilty. People assume because of the TTLG FF that Jack was wrong but all the FF proves is that Jack is tormented, not that he was wrong. We all know that Jack feels responsible for everyone so, assuming he was right, it's not like he's going to gloat and live happily ever after when something bad happened to his fellow losties..

I would run period. I don't even need to feel guilty about something to run away from a ghost. The whole idea of seeing a ghost scares me big time.

I know what you mean. Several months after my grandma died, I dreamed vaguely about her death - and within that dream she resurrected three days later or a week later. I had a whole bunch of feelings swirling within me, that I'm pretty sure that's how I feel, or close enough to how I would feel in my hypothetical dream-world if she came back to life.

Although, I know you mentioned ghost and not resurrection, this is how I'd feel.

Feelings and questions like:
- Who are you?
- Why are you around in the flesh?
- I know you're dead, this isn't supposed to happen, they go against the rules of nature.

I wouldn't react the way Hurley did, but I would feel uneasy.

As far as the original topic is concerned, I have no theories. I pretty much hate theories (that is, I hate guesses not based on substantial evidence) at this point. I'm just waiting for whatever the story will give me.

I'm guessing some kind of catastrophic failure resulting from Locke's leadership.

I agree. When Locke said "I'm going to the Barracks....it'll have to do until I can think of something else" (instead of 'until we think of something else'), it kind of foreshadowed his failure.

my gut-feeling is that hurley was apologising for the effects of his decision ON jack, rather than ON himself. if that makes sense.

Maybe before actual rescue, Locke prevents the non "oceanic 6" group from being rescued. Maybe because the Island demands it, maybe on Jacobs orders. Sort of like Locke stepping into Ben's shoes. Which doesnt bode well for Ben. Think about it, the more people allowed to leave, the more people likely to "tell". Which in turn may cause some interest in this "island" these survivors would be talking about. Locke would only be looking out for the well being of the island.

:shrug: Why not? He was going to leave in the submarine without anyone else...

I believe that he was going to help everyone else though, like he told Kate.

Since we know that Jack (eventually) wants to go bad so badly and Hurley obviously does too, I wonder if the entire last season will take place in the "real world" with the Oceanic 6 coming together to go back for the other survivors.

That could be VERY cool.

I agree with Macgregor. Hurley feels guilty because noone would have went with Locke had Hurley not opened the flood gates and, ultimately, it did not turn out well. Hence, Hurley feels guilty. People assume because of the TTLG FF that Jack was wrong but all the FF proves is that Jack is tormented, not that he was wrong. We all know that Jack feels responsible for everyone so, assuming he was right, it's not like he's going to gloat and live happily ever after when something bad happened to his fellow losties..

Good first post, well said. And hilarious handle, FH. Welcome to the 'Lage.

Maybe before actual rescue, Locke prevents the non "oceanic 6" group from being rescued. Maybe because the Island demands it, maybe on Jacobs orders. Sort of like Locke stepping into Ben's shoes. Which doesnt bode well for Ben. Think about it, the more people allowed to leave, the more people likely to "tell". Which in turn may cause some interest in this "island" these survivors would be talking about. Locke would only be looking out for the well being of the island.

Interesting.... maybe the Oceanic 6 got away but thought more would too, but Locke prevents it... and now Hurley regrets ever going with Locke because he knows what Locke has become/becomes....

I agree with Macgregor. Hurley feels guilty because noone would have went with Locke had Hurley not opened the flood gates and, ultimately, it did not turn out well. Hence, Hurley feels guilty. People assume because of the TTLG FF that Jack was wrong but all the FF proves is that Jack is tormented, not that he was wrong. We all know that Jack feels responsible for everyone so, assuming he was right, it's not like he's going to gloat and live happily ever after when something bad happened to his fellow losties..

That is an excellent post. I was trying to express exactly this point, and you did it perfectly. After this past episode, everything I thought I suspected has been turned on it's head.

I really hope the writers don't make Locke seem like the bad guy in all of this. I have suscribed to beliefs of this character, his views on the island....I LOVED when he stabbed Naomi and am 100% behind the decision to stay on the island. Hugo apologizing for going with Locke has me worried a bit. Then again, seeing Jack in the finale last year also gives me hope that YES, Locke is right!

I feel the same way. Locke's my favourite character (How can he not be?), but he just fails so much. He failed with Boone, failed the test of faith in the hatch, failed to become an other, and now he's going to fail again.

I'd just like a win for Locke.

The sudden transformation of Locke from knife throwing super man to the guy Jack took down and couldn't even find the gun tucked in his waistband is an interesting juxtaposition of Locke's position in this series of events. I mean, until that confrontation it seemed Locke was the one with the answers. Then when Jack stood up to him, he was diminished, cowering, so unlike what we had seen just minutes before.

Ahhh it's already started!

I get the feeling that this enigma means that some truly weird stuff is going to transpire between the freighter people arriving and the 6 getting off the island. I don't think it'll simply be a matter of them being divided and conquered - how many people would really be on that freighter? For all they know the island is deserted.
Seeing how these two points in time converge is going to be a lot of fun!

The rescued 6 must have wound up together at one point and that was when they were saved or maybe Ben helped them off the island. I think they said they were the only ones left alive and when Jack asked Hurley if he would tell I think he meant 'will you tell them that's there's more survivors?'

I also think they will get off the island pretty soon. Why would Hurley say sorry for going with Locke if it was so long in the past? Surely he would have said sorry before then.

Hurley was choosing on emotion, not rationale. We don't know yet what happens after the split. We can only assume that Locke's actions may have given a few who went with him second thoughts.

Having viewed the epi several times, Hurley's countenance clearly showed that he was still angry, eventhough he apoligized to Jack. Is that anger towards Jack because Jack doesn't want to go back at that point, or angry because they left the island and left the other survivors behind? Whom or what is that anger directed at?

I dont think Locke is out of tune with the Island or Losing it in anyway. If anything he is probably more so intuned. The guy healed from a bullet wound in what 3-4 days. His appearance to Hurley in the jungle was nothing short of ghostly. Did Jacobs shack appear to Hurley because John Locke wanted it to? Is Locke in tune with Jacobs Agenda?......

Hurley knows he shouldn't have left with Jack - a fact said by Hurley himself.

Hurley saying he regrets going with Locke is just his way of saying "sorry i made you feel bad that time" to Jack. In the end it was the right choice and they both know it.

I feel the same way. Locke's my favourite character (How can he not be?), but he just fails so much. He failed with Boone, failed the test of faith in the hatch, failed to become an other, and now he's going to fail again.

I'd just like a win for Locke.

Locke may have failed at a lot of things he has attempted, but you can't look at his character and just think about his failures. Everyone on the island has failed at something. But what Locke has going for him that NO ONE else has is his amazingly strong connection to the island. Out of all the Losties he is definitely more connected than anyone. The island has healed him three different times now....when they crashed and he woke up with movement in his legs, when the blast door went through his leg that healed pretty fast, and after Ben shot him the island appeared to him in the form of Walt and saved him yet again. Plus Locke has communicated with the island, understands it, heard Jacob ask him to help him and when he finds out everything else he needs to know about the island, I think his failures will stop.

I don't know what is going to happen with his group though. From Hurley's apology to Jack he eludes to something bad that could have happened to Locke's group and that isn't good because that might mean that someone or more than one died. I don't want any more people to die seriously....we've had enough deaths for now just let them be....at least until the end of this season. Also I hope the freakin writers strike ends soon so they can start making our remaining eight episodes that we REALLY don't want to have to wait that long for..I mean we will but we'd prefer not to wait another nine months ya know.

To quote Juliet, it's complicated.

Hurley seems to have apologised to Jack for splitting off with Locke and yet at the same time is insisting that leaving the island was the wrong thing to do. That they need to go back again. That to me implies that on some level Locke was right. And I maintain that his argument at the time of splitting was pretty convincing, and logical. However, I wouldn't be surprised if later Locke's need to be the next Dalai Dharma will make being on his side very dangerous indeed.

It's also important to remember that over half the survivors appear to have sided with Jack and would seem to have NOT made it off the island, so choosing Jack's team has not ended particularly positively for them.

I would expect Hurley and Locke to experience some communication troubles once John tells Hugo he talks to dead people, because Hurley's reaction to Charlie demonstrates he wants none of that and resists the approaches of the unexplainable.

His desire to return might be to rescue those he left behind with a madman rather than his missing the place.

There's a LOT of guilt. I know that.

Jack and Hurley clearly have friction between them - and Jack's acceptance of Hugo's apology.. was as oddly 'yeah you're damn right it was your fault' as Boone's appeared.

I'm getting a 'dying alone' vibe from the coffin in the parlour; but if Later Jack's aiming they 'live together' - not necessarily on the Island, but by returning to and accomplishing something there - well then Kate's gonna need hog tying.

:biggrin: Bring it on! (I wonder what 'He' will have to say about that?)

Somehow, Jack must have been right.

What? The whole point of the FFs are to show that he made the wrong choice.

What is curious to me is that in this FF we see Jack pretty much totally composed. But in TTLG he is a total wreck, makes me wonder what happen in between these two points in time. He almost reminded of Kate in this episode, because to me he acted like Kate in TTLG. Comments?

I think we are seeing the start of his spiral. He was making a screwdriver afterall.


My take on the whole Hurley regretting his decision to go with Locke is that he must do something to endanger their group. Perhaps he is right, and bad luck follows him whereever he goes. Some of Locke's group might die and Hurley blames himself for it. Maybe he regrets going with Locke while he is still on the island, does something to get himself on Jack's team and endangers people in Locke's group in the process. Hurley's regret seems to be stemming from something that he did, whereas Jack's is stemming from leaving the island. Jack doesn't regret leaving people behind, he simply regrets leaving. Would he really wish for another plane carrying him to crash on the island without regard to lives of the other passengers if he was just upset at leaving people behind? Nope.

I think Hurley's apology was more like, "sorry I hurt your feelings". It didn't seem like Hurley was saying to himself, "Boy am I ever sorry I went with Locke!".

I agree with Macgregor. Hurley feels guilty because noone would have went with Locke had Hurley not opened the flood gates and, ultimately, it did not turn out well. Hence, Hurley feels guilty. People assume because of the TTLG FF that Jack was wrong but all the FF proves is that Jack is tormented, not that he was wrong. We all know that Jack feels responsible for everyone so, assuming he was right, it's not like he's going to gloat and live happily ever after when something bad happened to his fellow losties..
For as long as we don't know exactly what happened, we can only speculate. But I agree with you.
Hurley explicitly apologizes for his choice to go with Locke. He says "I'm sorry I went with Locke. I should have stayed with you."
He doesn't say anything about Jack being right or about Locke being wrong, or the other way around. He just apologizes for his decision, because that decision resulted in something Hurley feels responsible for, and it's not a good thing that happened.
Maybe it has nothing to do with Locke at all. Maybe it's really about people starting to chose sides after Hurley's speech and that was the beginning of the end. I don't know. But knowing Hurley, he has a tendency to blame himself for things, like he blamed himself for the crash of the plane in the first place.
But Jack's saying "Water under the bridge", and not something like "It wasn't your fault", which leads me to believe that something about Hurley's speech or decision caused something bad to happen.

What? The whole point of the FFs are to show that he made the wrong choice.


Not necessarily. Hurley says he went with the wrong person, therefore in some way, Jack must have been right. Even if they later regret that they left/think they need to go back.

I guess they have 47 shows to get to the answer :-)

RJ

Not necessarily. Hurley says he went with the wrong person, therefore in some way, Jack must have been right. Even if they later regret that they left/think they need to go back.

Absolutely. There's a paradox here that will no doubt be revealed in due course. Why did Hurley regret going with Locke, and yet we've seen both Hurley and Jack regretting the decision to leave? It's the most intriguing aspect of these flashes forward. Well, that and trying to guess who the 6 are! :D

Hurley says he went with the wrong person, therefore in some way, Jack must have been right. Even if they later regret that they left/think they need to go back.

He said "I should have stayed with you." That's very different from saying I should or should not have left the island with you.
He was apologizing to Jack for choosing to go to Othersville with Locke, instead of staying with him.
Hurley was expressing regret for his decision because he know it hurt Jack.

I think it was a straight from-Hurley's-heart moment.
If it foreshadows anything, it will be something that happens to one or more of the other losties, on the island, because they followed Hurley's lead.
But the moment worked beautifully just as it was.