I missed his last name . . . Matthew __________? He wants to give Hurley an "upgrade". Despite Hurley's hallucinations, I'm assuming this guy was at least in our world, though his affiliation with Oceanic may or may not be in question. What was your impression of this guy? Creepy . . .

He was very, very creepy. He may be OA, but I'm sure that's also.... Widmore/Paik/Hanso/Mittlewerk.... whathaveyou.

creepy indeed
I don't think he was from oceanic. I think he was from the company or whoever it is that "rescues" people from the island.

At first glance he reminded me a bit of Eko's brother Yemi. I know it wasn't him but I think there was a resemblence. And yes he was on the creepy side.

Very creepy I agree. I do not think he was from Oceanic at all

In the live thread someone mentioned it was like Polterguist...very creepy

Abaddon. His last name is Abaddon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abaddon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abaddon_(demon)

He looked like Smokey when leaving.. and was similar to Yemi.

An actor from the Wire on HBO.

What do you think the "upgrade" would entail? :)

He said the last name real fast. I heard it as Turbital.

I dunno what I heard LOL

Matthew Abaddon, it was a clue from Find815. He was VERY creepy. He clearly believes Hurley knows that there were other survivors. Does he actually want to get to those people, or to the island himself? Will we see him stalk Kate, Jack and the rest of the Oceanic 6?

He's going to be in episode 2 as well....

Matthew Abaddon, it was a clue from Find815. He was VERY creepy. He clearly believes Hurley knows that there were other survivors. Does he actually want to get to those people, or to the island himself? Will we see him stalk Kate, Jack and the rest of the Oceanic 6?

He's going to be in episode 2 as well....

Ah, great, thanks. I didn't follow Find815 in the past few days.

So Abaddon it is, and it really indicates 'demon'?

Was anyone else expecting him to burst into a big ball of black smoke after Hugo asked to see his card?

Research the name...

And obviously, he is a very intimidating and frightening presence...

Perhaps he is a reporter or private investigator who didn't believe the Oceanic 6 story.

Tabs, can you put some links here. The first google hits are related to Lost spoilers, and I'm afraid to read them.

He does look like an agent of satan.

I just want to give credit to Lance Reddick. He had only one scene in tonight episode and he made it the most memorable of the hour. "Are the still alive?" Creepy as hell.

He seemed way more than creepy- sinister. Good for Hurley not to trust him. The upgrade probably would consist of moving Hurley from a mental institution to a private place where they could do whatever they wanted to him: interrogate him, drug him, torture him, kill him. He seemed to want information about those left behind on the island, perhaps so that they can be "rescued" too?

It was very creepy. I actually gasped.

who's matthew abaddon?
explain...

Abaddon

the angel of the abyss

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbadon

Her sure looked the part :hide:

The man who wanted to up grade Hurly's hospital stay

Also from Oz...I count four, so far

Well.....since Hurley's room would have a view of the ocean...maybe the upgrade is on........
The island

I think the reason Hurley wanted to go back to the institute so badly was to be protected from people like Abaddon.

Ooooh, good point LiD...

That guy was creepy... I was almost waiting for the camera to pan in on his tongue and show that it's forked.. He must be, as said before, from Widmore / Paik or some other nefarious group..

Abaddon

the angel of the abyss

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbadon

Her sure looked the part :hide:

The man who wanted to up grade Hurly's hospital stay

Abaddon, "the angel with the key of the abyss"

Yikes. Gatekeeper of the island? CEO of Smokey, Inc.? Or bad government/Oceanic/Widmore guy with the keys to the island, making sure it remains secret?

kinda freaky, interesting how hurley 'knew' he shouldnt be trusted or taken for face value as well...

The interesting thing is that (at least Biblically) "Abaddon" isn't a "bad guy." If identified with Jesus, he's the one that has the keys to the abyss (or Tartarus), which is the means of keeping Satan and the demons at bay. Not sure where TPTB are taking this though. Reddick's playing him as a heavy, but he might not be what he seems.

Thank you for the link...much of the research/discussion happened in Spoiler Land, with his character name being released, and we had on-set photos that he was going to be at Santa Rosa.

I must give Lance Reddick the most ultimate kudos for bringing it. I was WOW'd to the max.

Jehovah's Witnesses (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses) originally also considered Abaddon a demon, but now identify him with Jesus.

Revelation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation) 9:11, it is personified as Abaddon, "Angel of the Abyss"

The interesting thing is that (at least Biblically) "Abaddon" isn't a "bad guy." If identified with Jesus, he's the one that has the keys to the abyss (or Tartarus), which is the means of keeping Satan and the demons at bay. Not sure where TPTB are taking this though. Reddick's playing him as a heavy, but he might not be what he seems.
Interesting, because the spoiler discussions leaned toward the negative...

I took it at it's negative meaning....He sure looked evil to me but hay, this is Lost

I guess it's no surprise that certain references are debatable, controversial, thought-provoking, and...scary...on LOST. :biggrin:

It's almost time to go re-watch the epi. ;)

Interesting, because the spoiler discussions leaned toward the negative...

Right, but few things are as they seem on Lost. Perhaps Abaddon's a Knight's Templar kind of guy?

who's matthew abaddon?
explain...
Sorry, beema!! Just saw your post...

Matthew Abaddon is the name of the formidable person who visited Hurley in the hospital, and offered to "upgrade" him to another facility, where he could have his own room with a view of the beach...

He is most awesomely played by Lance Reddick.

Thank you for the link...much of the research/discussion happened in Spoiler Land, with his character name being released, and we had on-set photos that he was going to be at Santa Rosa.

I must give Lance Reddick the most ultimate kudos for bringing it. I was WOW'd to the max.

It's sort of sad to miss those discussions. But then I was totally surprised by the character tonight, so.... yeah.

I took it at it's negative meaning....He sure looked evil to me but hay, this is Lost

He looked evil and scary. But Lost is all about turning assumptions upside down, right?

I don't think he works for Oceanic Airlines. It seems to me like he wants to know more about the island, maybe that's why he mentioned giving him a room with a view, or perhaps he knows what happened to Hurley in the integorration room. I'm sure he also knows that there are other survivors!

I don't know if this has been mentioned but I noticed that there was a chess board where Abaddon was sitting. One side white... once side black.... Abaddon was on the white side.

It's sort of sad to miss those discussions. But then I was totally surprised by the character tonight, so.... yeah.



He looked evil and scary. But Lost is all about turning assumptions upside down, right?


Those assumptions always lead to such great theories and discussions, whether they turn out right or wrong in the end. That is what I love about this show.

BTW, I've been a reformed spoiler since Shannon's death. It was such a let down that I swore off them then and there. The only thing I will do is look at the episode name and find out who's back story (flash forward now) we get for the episode. :hypocrit:

It's sort of sad to miss those discussions. But then I was totally surprised by the character tonight, so.... yeah.
Awww! :hug:

I miss you in the spoiler forums...but respect your decision. Spoiler hounds are probably just very impatient fans. ;)

In spite of spoilers, I was shocked by his demeanor...SO oppressive...

He looked evil and scary. But Lost is all about turning assumptions upside down, right?
Well, I will be surprised if they can make this character look "good"...

That said, the LOST writers walk on water (pun intended)... ;)

At first glance he reminded me a bit of Eko's brother Yemi. I know it wasn't him but I think there was a resemblence. And yes he was on the creepy side.Thats exactly who I thought it was at first.

My husband thought for sure he was The Haitian from Heroes. :rolleyes:

Matthew Abaddon, it was a clue from Find815. He was VERY creepy. He clearly believes Hurley knows that there were other survivors. Does he actually want to get to those people, or to the island himself? Will we see him stalk Kate, Jack and the rest of the Oceanic 6?

He's going to be in episode 2 as well....I am wondering if he was the little boy in the photograph when Miles "ghostbusts" the old woman's house. in episode 2.

I think the reason Hurley wanted to go back to the institute so badly was to be protected from people like Abaddon.I think he wanted to go to be drugged so he wouldn't see Charlie or hallucinate anymore.

I think he is working in the best interest of the Island and will be the vehicle the Oceanic 6 use to eventually get back to the island.

I don't know if this has been mentioned but I noticed that there was a chess board where Abaddon was sitting. One side white... once side black.... Abaddon was on the white side.

Good catch. Good guy? He's clearly not Oceanic (no business card), which means he was using that as a front to get in the "front door" so to speak. His offer to Hurley was also interesting. It appeared he wanted to get him to a "controlled" enviroment where Hurley could be interrogated (or whatever). Whatever the case, Abaddon knew there were others on the Island, and that Hurley (and the rest of the Oceanic 6) was keeping that a secret. What's his interest though?

What do you think the "upgrade" would entail? :)

Ocean view..... any chance he would send him back to the island?

Matthew Abaddon, it was a clue from Find815. He was VERY creepy. He clearly believes Hurley knows that there were other survivors. Does he actually want to get to those people, or to the island himself? Will we see him stalk Kate, Jack and the rest of the Oceanic 6?



Oh, shoot, I can read spoilers when I quote them. I forgot. DARNIT!!! Ok anyway, not the biggest deal in the world that I know that info.
I totally forgot he was a clue in find815. Cool.

I think the reason Hurley wanted to go back to the institute so badly was to be protected from people like Abaddon.

Yeah and stop hallucinating.

He was very creepy and the actor did an excellent job for not being on the screen for very long.

I remember when the casting description for this character came out and then pics of him at the institution were released and I wasn't sure if he would be the right actor to play the part, but I was sooo wrong. Lance did an awesome job.

I haven't read the series at all, but me and my friend have been talking about paradise lost since he was reading it in school. He mentioned Abaddon to me and for some reason it just clicked with the other Abaddon thread.

Paradise Lost = Loss of the Island

Hurley said that they had to go back.

Later in the Flash Foward Timeline Jack says the same to Kate.

Anyone feel we can find more clues within Paradise Lost?

Also a quote from the book

"In all her gates
Abbadon rues
Thy bold attempt."
(Paradise Regained, iv 1671)

Was anyone else expecting him to burst into a big ball of black smoke after Hugo asked to see his card?

Funny stuff. That actor was well-cast for the part. Sure wasn't from Oceanic.

ryan...great catch...I saw the chessboard, too, but (guess what), will have to re-watch for the detail...

If it's only one side, that echoes the early season 1 (2?) scene in Paik's office...with only one side set up, which I posted about long ago here, perhaps in my Mr. Paik's Screens and Game References threads...

It's cool that TPTB are repeating these themes....

combining the interview with mr Abbadon, and the horse game with Jack, a piece thats rasing more question is the "secret" Jack eludes to as whether Hurley is keeping or not. Are the ones lefft behind there a secret?

this leads me to think that Mr Abaddon is working for the other others. the ones on Naomis freighter, who Ben says are another interested party in the islands unique charecteristics. So hanso orgs competition.

also looking further in Wikipedia on references to Abaddon, doesnt necessarily make him out to be a good guy. he is the one who brings forth the plague of locusts. locusts have been metaphorically compared to exploiters, those who would move in and take over, take what they want and leave behind nothing of value.

An anagram of the name is TWO DEATH BAD MAN

:undecide:

I thought Lance Reddick did a superb job! As far as him being the Devil or one of his minions, I have my doubts but he definitely has an agenda and wants to know more about what happened on the Island. If he's working for the other Others, then he would know without a doubt who stayed and who went so the question now is
WHO IS MATTHEW ABBADON??

Is he a good guy who just used the wrong approach with Hurley. Did he underestimate Hurley because Hurley's in the hospital??
Is he with the stateside Dharma Initiative?
Is there another organization that's interested in that Island.
OR
Is he a spirit like Charlie?
Remember, other people, one a nurse and one a patient, that brought Hurley's notice to Matthew and Charlie. So, they aren't figments like Dave.

I don't know if this has been mentioned here already:
Could this guy have been Charlie, also????
Someone in another thread noticed that Charlie called Hurley, Hugo. He never did that, did he?
Also, another patient SAW a guy staring at Hurley. So was Charlie's ghost seen by 2 different persons or Hurley saw whatever this guy wanted him to see?
I don't know if 'paranormal' stuff is gonna be incorporated off the island's realm, but Mathew Abbadon was a V E R Y creepy guy.
And, I bet he is gonna be one of the main guys behind all the weird stuff going on on the island.

And that line 'Are they still alive?' Priceless!!!!!!

But why would he ask that question? I mean is there any reason to think that the rest of the losties were in an imminent danger when the lucky ones got rescued? How would this guy know that?

He sure was ominous and clearly meant to be a bad guy working for someone other than Oceanic Airlines. I wonder if he actually might be someone who ends up being capable of helping the Oceanic 6 get back to the island before he is killed and ends up in the casket. :eek2: :eek2:

Just a wacky theory.

Fierro, I would have to rewatch, but I seem to remember a nurse told Hurley that there was a man waiting to speak to him.
When Hurley was sitting outside, a patient told him that a guy was staring at him. Hurley really didn't act like he wanted to either see or hear Charlie or what Charlie had to say because he thinks it Dave all over again, I would imagine.

Fierro, I would have to rewatch, but I seem to remember a nurse told Hurley that there was a man waiting to speak to him.
When Hurley was sitting outside, a patient told him that a guy was staring at him. Hurley really didn't act like he wanted to either see or hear Charlie or what Charlie had to say because he thinks it Dave all over again, I would imagine.
What I meant is that this guy can make himself look like anybody else, physically or maybe just mentally. Like manipulating Hurley's mind.

Lance did a great job with the short screen time. I knew he would fit in well after watching the wire.

For those debating on whether Mr. Abaddon was a good guy, bad guy, or juts creepy, just look at it this way. I remember in the beginning of the movie The Prophecy that there is a narration from the main character. It goes like this:

Thomas Daggett (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000480/): Did you ever notice how in the Bible, when ever God needed to punish someone, or make an example, or whenever God needed a killing, he sent an angel? Did you ever wonder what a creature like that must be like? A whole existence spent praising your God, but always with one wing dipped in blood. Would you ever really want to see an angel?I'm not exactly sure if it's relevant, but it sure seems appropriate.

got that right texas, a messenger of God isnt always something you want to encounter. bringer of plagues, messenger of death, harbinger of destruction.

any way i hope we see more of Mr Abaddon, which i suspect we shall in visitations to other members of the Oceanic 6 in flash forwards

I can't picture Reddick playing a baddie, but the name's a clear sign of that. I will forever think of him as the best cop in Baltimore (The Wire).

I believe Reddick was also the original choice for the character that would become Mr. Eko, but he couldn't do it due to his Wire commitments.

What I meant is that this guy can make himself look like anybody else, physically or maybe just mentally. Like manipulating Hurley's mind.

It could be, Fierro. For the moment, I don't believe that Smokey can be off the Island. It seems that's where he would get his power from. I am leaving room to be proven wrong though. ;)

Whatever he is, someone besides Hurley saw him and we did see the doors swing when he exited the room so he is a physical manifestation whatever he is.

The term badman comes up a lot... but then again, so does batman.

http://wordsmith.org/anagram/anagram.cgi?anagram=mattew+abaddon&t=1000

The interesting thing is that (at least Biblically) "Abaddon" isn't a "bad guy." If identified with Jesus, he's the one that has the keys to the abyss (or Tartarus), which is the means of keeping Satan and the demons at bay. Not sure where TPTB are taking this though. Reddick's playing him as a heavy, but he might not be what he seems.

Maybe the abyss is the island, and Abbadon will provide the means for Jack and company to return?

Hey all,

I haven't yet seen anyone mention that his first name, Matthew, means "gift from God." Which makes his name a bit of a spooky paradox.

I think the oceanic 6 were told to keep the island and the things going on there secret. I think the survivors played it off as if the plane actually did crash into the ocean trench, which also ties in to find815. and i believe matthew knows the truth and is trying to find the island.

Abaddon = Satan and means "the destroyer"

Cool catch on the Paradise Regained ref.

Kudos to Lance for such an entry into the show with just the one scene. Very creepy. He made me forget all about Cedric Daniels.

He does look like an agent of satan.

SATAN = SANTA

Santa Rosa; it's December 22nd on the island right now; Hurley's Ho-Ho's+Jack only spelling H-O while playing Horse with Hurley=Ho, Ho,Ho (See Eight's "Ho-Ho-Ho Theory" (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=87153)); Mr. Eko's stick: "Lift up your eyes and look north"!; "Christian Shepard";

Jacob = Santa.

Honestly, I don't know where I'm going with this. It's 4:30am and I've been up all night obsessing about LOST.

Well, whether the character is a "good guy" (and the island good guys are not necessarily hero type good guys) or a "bad guy" (and on Lost this could mean anybody at any time) he was creepy as hell and in one of the more effecting scenes of the episode.

I love that season 4 is starting on such a strong note. I don't feel this character is the devil, but obviously he's a representative of the island. We're seeing that the island's powers can stretch out into the real world with zero problem.

This means that ANYBODY we've seen on the show across the seasons, including (and especially) the crossovers inside all the flashbacks, could be a manifestation of the island meant to draw the characters to it, to flight 815.

And now, it's working again to draw them back.

The real question is, what's happening on the island while they are gone?

Will Abbadon show up on the island?

My wife and I speculated that Mr. Abbadon was there to offer Hurley passage back to the Island but Hurley was too "freaked out" to listen to him. IMO Abbadon asked "Are they still alive?" to see if Hurley was keeping the "secret" (i.e. the island and the other survivors).

But I think this ties into Charlie's apparition as well... Charlie said something like "they still need you." Was that a reference to the survivors on the island needing/wanting Hurley back? Again, Hurley was too freaked out to connect the dots... The island and/or the remaining survivors want him back.

(Didn't know the character's name was Matthew Abbadon until reading this thread... reading that gave me a nice prickly feeling at the back of my neck!)

I didn't catch his name at first, but it totally makes sense. He was so creepy! I do think he was offering passage back to the island mainly because of the "view of the ocean" comment.

YES, when he left it did appear smoky, especially the doors. Great catch.

changed the title to properly reflect the content. two threads were merged b/c of the similar topic. the first one posted was the Oceanic Attorney title but when they were merged somehow the second title was added. so i combined them both to give credit.

FWIW, people, you need to not be so particular about who gets credit for what on this forum. it is very clear who has posted what and having the first post in a thread that has been merged is not that important. give the mods some slack.

It could be, Fierro. For the moment, I don't believe that Smokey can be off the Island. It seems that's where he would get his power from. I am leaving room to be proven wrong though. ;)

Whatever he is, someone besides Hurley saw him and we did see the doors swing when he exited the room so he is a physical manifestation whatever he is.

I'm not saying that he is smokie. But he is from the Island. No doubt.

Yeah, it seems that other people can see him too. But that doesn't rule out the idea that he may be a product of the Island. Most people would agree that Island's hallucinations can be perceived by more than one people at the same time.

He could be a product of the sickness. If Hurley is infected with 'the island's essence', perhaps that acts like a bridge between the Island and the real world. Anybody can see what Hurley's mind creates as a sympthom of the Island's sickness.

And what does this sickness makes you do?

COME BACK to the Island.

What first called my attention on the Abbadon issue is that this can't be a real person's name. Who would walk around using Abbadon as a name? I mean, there is none actually called Lou Cypher. Apparently the TPTB decided to play more heavily on the name simbolism. Next episode, for instance, there is a new character called Myles Strom, that is maelstrom. Also sounds rather fakey.

"Matthew Abaddon is the name of the formidable person who visited Hurley in the hospital, and offered to "upgrade" him to another facility, where he could have his own room with a view of the beach..."

Have we seen him before on Lost? He looked familiar to me. I first thought of Yemmi as well, but it is not him. Could he have been one of the drug war-lords that Ecko dealt with back in Africa? (I remember there being a tall thin guy who made Ecko kill someone when he was a kid) I agree that he likely is now a 'spirit'. That Charlie's ghost slapped Hurley and he felt it was a huge moment! It showed that Hurley's 'buddy' Dave, was also a ghost all along, and that this Abaddon guy could well be one as well, even though he knocked over his chair. (i didn't see the smoke trail, but will look for it.)

Ok. Playing around with the idea that Abaddon is Smokie....

Seeing the Black Cloud of Smoke changing shape in a dark suburban alley could certainly be labeled as one of the most SHOCKING, WTF, UNEXPECTED moments of the whole show.

He looked like Smokey when leaving.. and was similar to Yemi.

Yes!! I think so too. Some people say that Smokey can't leave the island but I believe that a bit of smokey stays with everyone it comes in contact with.

I also thinks his name sounds like the word abandon...which is what happened to the rest of the people.

In revelations they refer to the Angel of the Abyss (isn't that the island). The island is calling...

Yes!! I think so too. Some people say that Smokey can't leave the island but I believe that a bit of smokey stays with everyone it comes in contact with.

I also thinks his name sounds like the word abandon...which is what happened to the rest of the people.

In revelations they refer to the Angel of the Abyss (isn't that the island). The island is calling...


YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I said something similar somewhere else. But I used the sickness, instead.

What if Smokie IS the SIckness.


Whne they left the island, they all took something from it. That something is what's causing these hallucinations, Charlie for Hurley, Christian for Jack.
The purpose of these off-island hallucinations is to guide them back to the Island, from where they should have never left.

An actor from the Wire on HBO.

Best crime drama on TV, and he is excellent in it. The Wire is a great, multi-layered series, and like Lost needs to be viewed from the beginning for it to make any sense. But it's a very strong show, with great writing and a superb, large ensemble cast. I was happy to see him turn up in LOST, and in such a great, creepy role too!

Hat tip Todell.
OK now I am REALLY uneasy.

Nah- he was definatley not a formation of Smokey. He was a real dude. A CREEPY real dude who will no doubt show up again if he is looking to undo the facts about the so called resuce of the Oceanic 6. Glad Hurley recognized the signs to avoid him.

Abaddon, what a great name.
Couldn't help but thinking about (although perhaps it wasn't deliberated) one of my favorite books: Abbadon El Exterminador, by the Argentinian writer Ernesto Sábato. It was published as The Angel of Darkness (and translated to English by a man called Andrew...Hurley. Funny coincidence) and it's the third installment of Sabato's trilogy (The Tunnel or The Outsider, On Heroes and Tombs are the other novels)

The Angel of Darkness or Abaddon El Exterminador is a very complex novel where evil in everyone is a main element and apparently not related characters show connections with each other. Even the writer participates of the story as himself. It's written as a sucession of flashbacks, flashforwards and present time events.

PD: Angels can be frightening. Indeed, judging by the way they introduce themselves everytime they appear on Bibilical stories, their appearance isn't right out "good".

I'm not saying that he is smokie. But he is from the Island. No doubt.

Yeah, it seems that other people can see him too. But that doesn't rule out the idea that he may be a product of the Island. Most people would agree that Island's hallucinations can be perceived by more than one people at the same time.

He could be a product of the sickness. If Hurley is infected with 'the island's essence', perhaps that acts like a bridge between the Island and the real world. Anybody can see what Hurley's mind creates as a sympthom of the Island's sickness.

And what does this sickness makes you do?

COME BACK to the Island.

Ok. Playing around with the idea that Abaddon is Smokie....

Seeing the Black Cloud of Smoke changing shape in a dark suburban alley could certainly be labeled as one of the most SHOCKING, WTF, UNEXPECTED moments of the whole show.

YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I said something similar somewhere else. But I used the sickness, instead.

What if Smokie IS the SIckness.


Whne they left the island, they all took something from it. That something is what's causing these hallucinations, Charlie for Hurley, Christian for Jack.
The purpose of these off-island hallucinations is to guide them back to the Island, from where they should have never left.

Now I can wrap my head around Smokie infecting Hurley, Jack and the rest and them carrying a piece of it with them when they leave the Island. I didn't think of Smokie being the sickness either but now that it's been mentioned, it makes perfect sense and I've changed my mind about who Abbadon could possibly be. Now I wonder how it will manifest itself to Kate and the rest of the O6???
I want to watch it again to be able to say whether I think Charlie is also a manifestation of Smokie as well or another kind of spirit.

Abaddon, what a great name.
Couldn't help but thinking about (although perhaps it wasn't deliberated) one of my favorite books: Abbadon El Exterminador, by the Argentinian writer Ernesto Sábato. It was published as The Angel of Darkness (and translated to English by a man called Andrew...Hurley. Funny coincidence) and it's the third installment of Sabato's trilogy (The Tunnel or The Outsider, On Heroes and Tombs are the other novels)

The Angel of Darkness or Abaddon El Exterminador is a very complex novel where evil in everyone is a main element and apparently not related characters show connections with each other. Even the writer participates of the story as himself. It's written as a sucession of flashbacks, flashforwards and present time events.

PD: Angels can be frightening. Indeed, judging by the way they introduce themselves everytime they appear on Bibilical stories, their appearance isn't right out "good".

Really interesting!!
Thanks for sharing this... what a coincidence the translator's last name is Hurley!!

Now I can wrap my head around Smokie infecting Hurley, Jack and the rest and them carrying a piece of it with them when they leave the Island. I didn't think of Smokie being the sickness either but now that it's been mentioned, it makes perfect sense and I've changed my mind about who Abbadon could possibly be. Now I wonder how it will manifest itself to Kate and the rest of the O6???
I want to watch it again to be able to say whether I think Charlie is also a manifestation of Smokie as well or another kind of spirit.
Now we are on the same page!

Yea, I'd love to see who will pay Kate a visit. I am pretty sure that Abbadon is gonna see each one of the Oceanic 6 to try to convience them, in different INDIRECT ways, that they need to come back.
This psychopomp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopomp) and his visual manipulations are responsible for Jack and Hurley's 'going nuts' process.
Once they have all agreed to come back, Abbadon, the Ferryman of Hades, is gonna take them back to the Island.

Now we are on the same page!

Yea, I'd love to see who will pay Kate a visit. I am pretty sure that Abbadon is gonna see each one of the Oceanic 6 to try to convience them, in different INDIRECT ways, that they need to come back.
This psychopomp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopomp) and his visual manipulations are responsible for Jack and Hurley's 'going nuts' process.
Once they have all agreed to come back, Abbadon, the Ferryman of Hades, is gonna take them back to the Island.

Ohhh...That could very well be, Fierro! He sorely underestimated Hurley, IMO so I guess the indirect way would probably be best.
Now, we have to watch not only manifestations on the Island but in the flash forwards as well. What a ride it's gonna be!

Guin, you mentioning manifestations just make me think (uh oh!)...

Hurley shut his eyes and counted to 5 to make Charlie go away...and he was gone...

He told Abaddon "we're done, dude" and Abaddon was out the door...

On Island, Hurley kept saying "there's nothing there" (or something similiar) several times, and Jacob's cabin was gone...

It's much like his "you make your own luck" mantra that he recited as the DHARMA van hurtled down the hill...and then miraculously started...

Hmmm. :biggrin:

Also from Oz...I count four, so far

Oooh, I forgot Reddick was on Oz! I loved that show because it showcased so much good raw talent. Glad to see the Lost producers saw the same thing. I'm counting four Oz actors on Lost now too (Eko, Michael, Juliet's ex, and now Matthew Abaddon).

Notably, I read an interview with Darlton which said Lance Reddick was their original choice for Eko, but they couldn't get him because of The Wire's schedule. I think that was fortunate. Adewale was Eko, and Reddick is perfect for this creepy and ambiguous role.

I don't know if this has been mentioned but I noticed that there was a chess board where Abaddon was sitting. One side white... once side black.... Abaddon was on the white side.

Great catch. That definitely tells me something. Locke always plays the white pieces always. It signifies to me that he is on the good side.

For those debating on whether Mr. Abaddon was a good guy, bad guy, or juts creepy, just look at it this way. I remember in the beginning of the movie The Prophecy that there is a narration from the main character. It goes like this:

I'm not exactly sure if it's relevant, but it sure seems appropriate.

great quote. love it. in the bible, angels were always incredibly frightening creatures, but they worked for the will of God.

Abaddon, what a great name.
Couldn't help but thinking about (although perhaps it wasn't deliberated) one of my favorite books: Abbadon El Exterminador, by the Argentinian writer Ernesto Sábato. It was published as The Angel of Darkness (and translated to English by a man called Andrew...Hurley. Funny coincidence) and it's the third installment of Sabato's trilogy (The Tunnel or The Outsider, On Heroes and Tombs are the other novels)

The Angel of Darkness or Abaddon El Exterminador is a very complex novel where evil in everyone is a main element and apparently not related characters show connections with each other. Even the writer participates of the story as himself. It's written as a sucession of flashbacks, flashforwards and present time events.

PD: Angels can be frightening. Indeed, judging by the way they introduce themselves everytime they appear on Bibilical stories, their appearance isn't right out "good".

Great post, Daphne! I think you may have caught the real significance of his name. It's just doesn't fit that he is a demon. And that book sound fascinating. I'm going to have to get order it from Amazon ASAP.

Ohhh...That could very well be, Fierro! He sorely underestimated Hurley, IMO so I guess the indirect way would probably be best.
Now, we have to watch not only manifestations on the Island but in the flash forwards as well. What a ride it's gonna be!

Yeah. It seems like the Island is taking over the world! No wonder why Danielle didn't want her crew members to leave the island once 'infected'!
:biggrin:

Guin, you mentioning manifestations just make me think (uh oh!)...

Hurley shut his eyes and counted to 5 to make Charlie go away...and he was gone...

He told Abaddon "we're done, dude" and Abaddon was out the door...

On Island, Hurley kept saying "there's nothing there" (or something similiar) several times, and Jacob's cabin was gone...

It's much like his "you make your own luck" mantra that he recited as the DHARMA van hurtled down the hill...and then miraculously started...

Hmmm. :biggrin:

Hmmm. indeed, Tabby! I was confused by the cabin's disappearance, frankly. I still don't know what to think about that.

Yeah. It seems like the Island is taking over the world! No wonder why Danielle didn't want her crew members to leave the island once 'infected'!
:biggrin:

So true!! Who knows what kind of craziness ensued when a whole crew was infected and started having "visions' and whatever.

His "You heard me" to Hugo was fantastic.

I go more with the view that Abaddon will be the way back to the island, much like the Angel of the Abyss in Revelation, although I wouldn't go so far as to suggest he is Jesus (as is the case with Jehovah's Witnesses), or the psychopomp. Thanks for the links.

They're not going to be able to go back separately, and Abaddon is the way of getting them to do what they've obviously been told cannot happen by whoever got them off in the first place.

Just a quick thought. In the Wikipedia description of Abaddon it states that it was used to invoke the great rains of Egypt. This straight away brought to mind Smokey. How many times has it rained and then straight after we see Smokey? I can think of two of the top of my head at least.

I can't picture Reddick playing a baddie, but the name's a clear sign of that. I will forever think of him as the best cop in Baltimore (The Wire).

I believe Reddick was also the original choice for the character that would become Mr. Eko, but he couldn't do it due to his Wire commitments.

Well..this is the last season of the wire. Maybe he's looking for a place to land for the next few years. Curious to see if he'll make the rounds through all the six.

Ok,just my 2 cents but
Could he be working for Penny
She talked to Charlie
and he said he was a
survivor of Oceanic Flight 815
and then she found out Des was alive
Now she'd have the $$ and resources
to hire someone to talk to the Oceanic 6
and find out about Des
She could UpGrade Hurley and pick his brain
Why she wouldn't do it herself?who knows,
but I think this is plausible

And he "Could" be the way back
and she has the ticket
also,remember the frieghter had trouble
keeping track of the islands location
so possibly it moves

Patty, It occurred to me as well that Penny DOES know that Des was alive, at lest at the tie of TTLG, who knows by the time this FF happens.

But it seems awfully dark for Penny to send someone like Abaddon. Or maybe she is getting desperate by then...

And hey--Ticonderoga is very pretty!

KeepingAwake,
Yes,Ti is VERY pretty,but cold brrrrr...right now.

I'm thinking he wouldn't say he's from Widmore
'cause That is who the frieghter is from
Penny's dad...and The frieghter people
do something horrific....which The 6
could be held responsible for,thus 'Keeping the Secret'

And possibly,Matthew Abaddon has a 'Special Gift'
Like read a person for a Truth or Lie.
"Are THEY still Alive?"
You say,"No." He knows you are lying
Possibly that's why he seems so dark?

If he's the way back, then he has a uphill road because I doubt that Hurley's talked to Jack or Kate again before TTLG.
Makes me wonder what the breakthrough for Jack to talk about it with Hurley again will be. This is not to mention Kate. She's deadset against going back.

I don't know if he is supposed to be the devil, but the creepiness and the evil he exudes is of course no accident- he is named appropriately: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbadon

if he is the way back,,, add another name to the list of possibilities of whos in the coffin from TTLG.

aside of the fact of his name being synonymous with demons, hes a corporate lawyer,,, scary enough in itself, LOLLLLL

Abaddon. His last name is Abaddon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abaddon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abaddon_(demon)
He does look like an agent of satan.Oh wonderful -- here we go with more symbolism I think. The Lost PTB do love their symbolism don't they? And just for the record this guy certainly was creepy enough to fit his name. *Shudders* He seriously creeped me out!

someone said Abaddon in the bible brought forth the plague of the locusts... which was the EIGHTH plague

Not to freak anybody out or anything, but the scripture where Abaddon is mentioned is Revelation 9:11!

:rolleyes: Coincidence, I'm sure.

I'm sure it doesn't mean anything, but as others have said, who knows what lurks in the minds of our Lost writing staff.

I've actually read that chapter of Revelation, and it's clear to me that "Abaddon" is not a demon or Satan, but a "good guy". It's pretty obvious from the fact that the "locust plague" he releases is directed against those "who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads".

His name means "Destroyer", but destroying evil is a good thing.

That said, nobody on the Lost crew ever claimed to be Bible scholars, so I wouldn't be surprised if their "Abaddon" turns out to be evil. There's no way to predict it, because it is predicated on their understanding Bible symbolism accurately.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Not to freak anybody out or anything, but the scripture where Abaddon is mentioned is Revelation 9:11!

:rolleyes: Coincidence, I'm sure.

I'm sure it doesn't mean anything, but as others have said, who knows what lurks in the minds of our Lost writing staff.

I've actually read that chapter of Revelation, and it's clear to me that "Abaddon" is not a demon or Satan, but a "good guy". It's pretty obvious from the fact that the "locust plague" he releases is directed against those "who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads".

His name means "Destroyer", but destroying evil is a good thing.

That said, nobody on the Lost crew ever claimed to be Bible scholars, so I wouldn't be surprised if their "Abaddon" turns out to be evil. There's no way to predict it, because it is predicated on their understanding Bible symbolism accurately.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
I love the bolded part...

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if they named Abaddon and directed the awesome actor to play it "ominous", only to have him turn out to be a "good guy". But how would we ever agree on that, anyway... ;)

I don't think that anyone has mentioned that, taken at face value, if Abaddon is really an attorney for Oceanic Airlines, he/they may be trying to recover mega-$$$ paid out to the crew and passengers families (or prevent those mega-$$$ from being paid out)...

IOW, "Are they still alive?" may refer to the non-O6 passengers (and crew)... :)

Not to freak anybody out or anything, but the scripture where Abaddon is mentioned is Revelation 9:11!

:rolleyes: Coincidence, I'm sure.

I'm sure it doesn't mean anything, but as others have said, who knows what lurks in the minds of our Lost writing staff.

I've actually read that chapter of Revelation, and it's clear to me that "Abaddon" is not a demon or Satan, but a "good guy". It's pretty obvious from the fact that the "locust plague" he releases is directed against those "who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads".

His name means "Destroyer", but destroying evil is a good thing.

That said, nobody on the Lost crew ever claimed to be Bible scholars, so I wouldn't be surprised if their "Abaddon" turns out to be evil. There's no way to predict it, because it is predicated on their understanding Bible symbolism accurately.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Thank you Kot, I was looking into how to source the point you just made about Abbadon not really being evil, but more like the keeper of this devastation that he can release in order to serve God. He can be real bad news if you're not a believer however. Whatever the Oceanic Six are lying for, it's obviously a morally dubious reason. They are involved in a conspiracy, that means someone's being exploited somewhere, and they are helping cover it up. Hurley's conscience is the most delicate. The island, or whatever "it" is, can really mess with Hurley because he's in a mental institution and so no one will believe him if he lets people know these forces are trying to manipulate him.

I don't know if this has been mentioned but I noticed that there was a chess board where Abaddon was sitting. One side white... once side black.... Abaddon was on the white side.

I, too, noticed this and thought similarly. However, having read the posts referring to the history of Abaddon, I now wonder if WHITE (since he was sitting on that side of the board) is the "evil" color, and BLACK the "good" manifestation. In other words, are characters who most apppear GOOD actually BAD (and, obviously, vice-versa)? A classic literary misdirection?

I love the bolded part...

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if they named Abaddon and directed the awesome actor to play it "ominous", only to have him turn out to be a "good guy". But how would we ever agree on that, anyway... ;)

I don't think that anyone has mentioned that, taken at face value, if Abaddon is really an attorney for Oceanic Airlines, he/they may be trying to recover mega-$$$ paid out to the crew and passengers families (or prevent those mega-$$$ from being paid out)...

IOW, "Are they still alive?" may refer to the non-O6 passengers (and crew)... :)

I agree, cos the first person he reminded me of was the creepy old guy in The Shining, who tell's Jack's kid about The Shining, he is creepy and scary at first but turns out to be a good guy and trys to help the family, until he loses an argument with Jack's axe.

No one has mentioned that Lance Riddick was good looking, which is why I missed the creepy part, and I believe him to be a good guy. Could be wishful thinking. :-)

On the creepy scale, I would definitely put him at a 10. But this shows seems to like to make you believe he is a 'bad' guy in some way, when in all actuality he turns out to be a good guy who wants to help the Oceanic 6 and 'they'.

Remember, we were thought to believe Naomi was good until we found out that it was not Penny's boat and she did not know who Naomi was. It seems like the writers like to lead us to believe one thing and then turn in around to the opposite two or three episodes later. And OPPOSITES seems to be a big theme for this show.

On the creepy scale, I would definitely put him at a 10. But this shows seems to like to make you believe he is a 'bad' guy in some way, when in all actuality he turns out to be a good guy who wants to help the Oceanic 6 and 'they'.

I agree he was totally creepy! "I left my business cards at home". My eye! He may be out to help the Oceanic Six but most of the people on this show, including the main characters, have ulterior motives for helping people. Something is rotten in the state of California (which is where I presume Jack and Hurley are).

I do not think Adbaddon is not necessarily a bad guy. I think his purpose is to guide the Oceanic Six back to the island where they are supposed to be. The battle between good and evil has been a theme on this show since the beginning. Plus, we don't necessarily know who is good and who is bad anymore, do we? Perception is the key.

Someone mentioned earlied that Hurley wants to stay in the institution because he wants the medications. I don't think so. I think he wants to stay to keep people like Abaddon at bay. There is a theory in paranormal studies that psychotrophic medications actaully make one more susceptible to possession. This was covered in "The Exorcism of Emily Rose," which was supposedly a true story. An expert testified that the six demons were able to possess Emily because she was taking Gambitrol. In other words, her natural defenses were weakened by the medications. The expert also testified that some people are just more open to paranormal encounters, meaning that they are "special." Just a little food for thought.

O But this shows seems to like to make you believe he is a 'bad' guy in some way... {stuff deleted} ...it seems like the writers like to lead us to believe one thing and then turn in around to the opposite two or three episodes later. And OPPOSITES seems to be a big theme for this show.

Exactly! I'm not entirely convinced he's a bad guy. In fact, I'm not sure why I think he might be a bad guy yet. I do know that he's infinitely intriguing and I want to see more of him.

Makes me wonder what the breakthrough for Jack to talk about it with Hurley again will be. This is not to mention Kate. She's deadset against going back.

Guilt and self-loathing.

...Makes me wonder what the breakthrough for Jack to talk about it with Hurley again will be. This is not to mention Kate. She's deadset against going back.

Guilt and self-loathing.

I guess my question should be "Why is he feeling such self-loathing and guilt? I know that something happened concerning the rescue or I feel pretty sure that something did. How has he gone from "We're never going back" to Hurley to telling Kate, "We have to go back!!" Hurley's already cracking or feels like he's cracking under the pressure of whatever the secret is they're sharing. Could Matthew Abbadon have visited him at a later time than when this episode is set??

One thing I have learned from this show is....nobody is ever what they appear to be at first. He looks like a creepy guy, so he is probably one of the good guys.

I guess my question should be "Why is he feeling such self-loathing and guilt? I know that something happened concerning the rescue or I feel pretty sure that something did. How has he gone from "We're never going back" to Hurley to telling Kate, "We have to go back!!" Hurley's already cracking or feels like he's cracking under the pressure of whatever the secret is they're sharing. Could Matthew Abbadon have visited him at a later time than when this episode is set??

I've posted elsewhere (in other Abaddon threads) that I believe that Abaddon will visit most, if not all, of the Losties who have left the island. Abaddon is going to appeal to their guilt with statements like his one to Hurley "Are they still alive?". That produced a big reaction in Hurley - he was literally scrambling to get away from him. We'll see whether Jack comes to the realisation (that they have to go back) on his own, or possibly by visiting other Losties who happen to have been visited by Abaddon.

I could of course be completely wrong, but I have no doubt that they have to go back as a collective, and Abaddon is the 'boatman' back to the island.

I predict Abaddon is looking for someone either he loves or was loved by another that went to the island. He is determined to find out what happened to the yet to be named person who was on the flight. He is a crusader, he is there to bring destruction to the lies and reveal the truth.

Here are a couple of thoughts on Abbadon. First, the definitions listed at Wikipedia reminded me a lot of the definitions we had at one point for the glyphs on the countdown clock in the hatch,
which Darlton later told us were meant to translate as Underworld instilling a sense of forboding about what might occur if the clock ever reached 0:00 (not really sure if that is considered a spoiler at this point...)

Second (this was mentioned by someone at Dark's sight) the definition as gate keeper of hell is basically synonimous with our beloved Smokey, called Cerebus on the blast door map (which is particulary interesting as Mr. Abbadon does appear to dissolve into that familiar black smoke...)

Therefor, I suspect that our Mr. Abbadon, both hot and creepy, is intended as a sort of harbinger.

I believe that Abbadon is going to be the island's mechanism for bringing the people who escaped from the island back. He will probably use a different tactic to bring each member of the "Oceanic 6" back, using an approach most suited to their individual personalities