I would choose Locke but then I don't really want to leave the Island.

Since Hurley regrets going with Locke... man I don't know now.

How about you... who would you go with?

What's crazy is they still have us guessing on if the freighties are good or bad. Naomi could have told the people on the boat that the on island group was trying to kill her. But she didn't she lied to her team to protect the losties.

I have no idea who I would go with at this point.

I definately go with Locke. The island is protecting him. I also think Walt gave him some information when Walt found Locke in the pit.

I'm with Jack. Or else I would feel like Charlie died for nothing.
But knowing the outcome, It's safe to say I probably didn't make
the right choice.
Curse you Island!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I would go with Lock. A question that I do have from the episode tonight is when Locke found Hurley in the Jungle how did Locke know about Desmond's report from the Looking Glass Station and Charlie's warning. Did Hurley tell him off camera ? or did Locke listen in from one of the tents on the beach. What do you guys think?

I've been solidly backing Locke since Season One. I'm not changing stream now.

I think Hurley told Locke off screen.

And I would've gone with Locke. He's whacky, but Jack is just a loon now.

This is a tough question...but then again, this question has been going on since Season 1. I am going to say i would go with Locke.

Locke has connections with the island that Jack does not have, and with Locke saying that people are coming are not who we think they are, i would have to trust Locke right now. I feel bad for Jack though, becuase it seems like nothing is going right for him. When he actually thinks they are going to get rescued, half of the survivors decide to stay on the island, its amazing Jack hasn't flipped yet.

Locke. I LOVE that island!

Neither. I'm going to the Temple with the rest of the Others.

Jack...Locke is insane.

Jack and Rose had the best quotes of the night when referring to Locke.:)

I am almost certain now that although Locke's motives often seem self-serving, I believe that he really DOES know what is going on and everything he does really IS in the best interests of the losties. I would go with Locke.

I would like to say that I would go with Locke but I would imagine I would trust Jack and go with him and probably regret it.

I'd go on the team that Sawyer is on.:mushy:

But seriously, I'm wondering why Hurley said to Jack that he should have gone with him instead of Locke - what badness is going to happen on Team Locke?

Definitely Locke. I'm interested in seeing why Hurley regrets going with him though.

Since I would consider myself a spiritual person and don't believe in coincidence I would go with Locke.

I feel badly for Jack though -- he busts his butt to get them rescued and they turn on him. :p

After three months of living "al aire libre" I think I'd head to othersville with Locke.

Seriously though...I would strongly consider Locke, but would've asked a few questions of him first. Of course our losties' lack of communication skills took over as they blindly (or based on Desmond's Charlie story) chose sides. Speak up people!!!!

Neither. I'm going to the Temple with the rest of the Others.

But if you go with Locke to the Barracks you can catch a hot shower and possibly eat some cold chicken (even if Ben ate all the dark meat). I wonder if they have Dharma sauce? MMMmmm Dharma sauce!


;)

If I were really on the island, I think I would disregard what everyone was saying about the other boat not being safe. I'd be like, "A boat is here! Screw who's on it, we're going home!" I feel like I'd be blinded to the potential danger of the boat (what would random freighters want with me, a random castaway, anyway?) and stay with Jack.

But if you go with Locke to the Barracks you can catch a hot shower and possibly eat some cold chicken (even if Ben ate all the dark meat). I wonder if they have Dharma sauce? MMMmmm Dharma sauce!


;)

Plus they got the fence to keep people out. I hope Ben still has the code to turn it on and off. :biggrin:

Jack. I probably wouldn't want to leave the island, myself, but I'd follow Jack to whatever end.

I'd find it really hard not to follow Jack anywhere he went :biggrin:

If I were stranded on a desert island with a Doc that looked that good... I might have trouble coming up with new ways to injure myself each day for his attention.

Yeah, I'm terrible.
In all seriousness: Jack.

I love the island and Locke, but I think after three months of smoke monsters, kidnappers, dynamite and a crazy French chick, I'd be ready to leave, regardless of who led the expedition.

It’s a tough call, I’d have to examine what Charlie was trying to communicate to make my choice. “Not Penny’s Boat” doesn’t necessarily = “They Have Bad Intentions”. Still, I think given split second decisions I’d have gone with Locke figuring that Charlie was trying to warn of danger, or else there would be no reason to give the message to Desmond.

Team Locke FTW!!!

What's crazy is they still have us guessing on if the freighties are good or bad. Naomi could have told the people on the boat that the on island group was trying to kill her. But she didn't she lied to her team to protect the losties.

I have no idea who I would go with at this point.

Did she really lie to protect them,or was it to protect her sister? If the freightie people know that they are armed,would they still come? and what would happen to Naomi's sister? I think Naomi lied,but it wasn't to protect the Losties. She lied for a different reason,that we will find out about later.

..with that being said. I would chose team Locke all the way. Jack is a o.k leader,but I can't stand a leader who refuse to listen to anyone opinions that is not their own....and Jack seem like that type of leader.

Jack for several reasons:

If you go with Locke, there is a very good chance he will sacrifice you if he has to. His loyalty is to the island NOT to the survivors. He's proven that fact several times.

Hurley clearly mentions in the FF that going with Locke was a mistake and that he should have stayed with Jack. That sells me right there. What happened on Team Locke that Hurley mentions it months later after rescue?

Lastly, Jack has proven time and again that he will sacrifice himself to protect the Losties. If going with Jack is the wrong decision, at least I know I have someone with me who will watch my back and not throw one of his knives into it.

Jack for several reasons:

If you go with Locke, there is a very good chance he will sacrifice you if he has to. His loyalty is to the island NOT to the survivors. He's proven that fact several times.

Hurley clearly mentions in the FF that going with Locke was a mistake and that he should have stayed with Jack. That sells me right there. What happened on Team Locke that Hurley mentions it months later after rescue?

Lastly, Jack has proven time and again that he will sacrifice himself to protect the Losties. If going with Jack is the wrong decision, at least I know I have someone with me who will watch my back and not throw one of his knives into it.

Makes sense; I'd go with Jack. I love Locke but he is totally loyal to the Island that
cured him, he won't go against the Island, Island = cure= being able to walk. He'd
sell any one off, for the Island.

Jack for several reasons:

If you go with Locke, there is a very good chance he will sacrifice you if he has to. His loyalty is to the island NOT to the survivors. He's proven that fact several times.

Hurley clearly mentions in the FF that going with Locke was a mistake and that he should have stayed with Jack. That sells me right there. What happened on Team Locke that Hurley mentions it months later after rescue?

Lastly, Jack has proven time and again that he will sacrifice himself to protect the Losties. If going with Jack is the wrong decision, at least I know I have someone with me who will watch my back and not throw one of his knives into it.

Well-argued. I think I'd go with Jack for the reasons you mention, plus Jack is usually rational and we can understand his decisions more than we can Locke's. However, I think I'd end up regretting having gone with Jack, since leaving the island is apparently not supposed to happen. So maybe it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

I would go with Jack. If I were truly in that situation my gut would go with jack to try and get to a boat rather than what i "thought" was crazy locke. we'll see if i would have died or not....

I would have gone with Locke even after I knew Hurley had regrets about the choice he made at that time.

I'd be going wherever Sayid was going... so Jack, I guess.

Locke! Without a doubt.

i'm going to answer this as if i were there with them, knowing only what they know and nothing else (i.e. the future). i would be torn, but i would ultimately wait and see where the most reliable people would go. that being said i would probably end up going with Locke for several reasons...

- obviously, Charlie's message would sound off warning signals. even though "not penny's boat" doesn't necessarily mean bad guys, it's never a good sign finding out you've been lied to after you've been told exactly what you want to hear.
- the barracks have a working security fence and plenty of food and supplies.
- Jack just tried to kill Locke in front of everyone.
- despite Ben being a danger to the Losties, i would at least want to know his situation. Jack's team will have no clue on Ben's actions or where-abouts.
- Ben and Locke both have strong connections with the island. despite their feud less than 2 days prior, they've both come to a strong agreement.
- Sawyer went with Locke, nuff said.
- even though i would have an urge to be rescued and go back to my past life, i think being on the island for more than 3 months, along with growing closer to my peers, would shift my priorities from getting off the island to self-preservation by any means. like Locke said...everyone has a chance at a new life and despite me wanting to go back to my friends and family, i think i would have accepted the survivors of 815 as my new friends and family.

i'm going to answer this as if i were there with them, knowing only what they know and nothing else (i.e. the future). i would be torn, but i would ultimately wait and see where the most reliable people would go.

Heh, that's why I said I'd go where Sayid went. I'd trust him with my life before either Jack or Locke. :p

I'd definitely be going with Jack.

People end up dead when Locke goes on these marches, and he just killed Naomi in front of everyone with not much of a reason.

Plus, I'd want to get off that island bad, and a boat is a boat.

I would for sure go with Jack...

Heh, that's why I said I'd go where Sayid went. I'd trust him with my life before either Jack or Locke. :p
good point....but here's another one....




....Shannon :cool:

Well if she had listened to him, Shannon would still be alive. He was trying to stop her from running after Walt.;)

I'd go with Jack, for all the pro-Jack reasons already mentioned, but as also stated, Locke seems to be responsible for quite a few deaths, either directy or indirectly.

Including Jack, there is Juliet, so that's two doctors, plus Sun, Jin, Sayid, Rose, and Bernard. That is a very dependable and level-headed group IMO.

After thinking on it more I would have to go with Locke. Knowing there's an "Oceanic Six", which I assume means 6 survivors the real world knows about and 3 we know about. Two are from team Jack and one from team Locke means who they choose doesn't seem to matter as far as getting off the island is concerned. Of the three Jack and Hurley seem to regret leaving... Kate doesn't care and we don't know who the other 3 are yet. So it seems like the whole thing is a mess no matter who you go with.

In this light I choose Locke if only because I could live in house with hot water and food and stuff if even for a short while. After all the crap I'd have been through on the island it sounds very welcoming indeed.

I'd go wherever Sayid chooses to go...

In all seriousness, probably Locke. Not that I'm a fan of him, but what Hurley said made sense.

I definately go with Locke. The island is protecting him. I also think Walt gave him some information when Walt found Locke in the pit.

Don't forget nobody on the Island knows about Walt, I would go with Locke because Hurley went with Locke and Jack is way to intense for my taste also Locke and his team are heading to the barracks which has protection from everything sounds safer then running off into the jungle, especially after Charlie's "last words" were to warn Desmond that it wasn't penny's boat.

I'd go with Locke, Jack is too stubborn to listen to anything Locke has to say objectively. Also, wherever Sawyer goes, I follow :)

I have been confident that Locke knows what he is doing since Season 1 and am not about to switch sides now. So, knowing what I know I would go with Locke, regardless that Hurley later regrets it. Gah... I just don't know anymore.

Since the beginning I've been with Sayid, so I'm going where he's going. In this case, Jack.

Jack, no question. Jack may not have all the answers, but he would have my back. Jack cares about doing right by people. Locke would only have my back if it's what the island wants. Locke cares about doing right by the island. I wouldn't want to be a Boone. Plus, I'd want to get the hell off that island ASAP. The freighties may be disingenuous, but they might be reasonable and sympathetic if you don't meet them guns blazing. It's worth a shot. Plus, anyone who freaks out Ben, well, I wouldn't want to get on their bad side.

Jack for several reasons:
If you go with Locke, there is a very good chance he will sacrifice you if he has to. His loyalty is to the island NOT to the survivors. He's proven that fact several times.
Hurley clearly mentions in the FF that going with Locke was a mistake and that he should have stayed with Jack. That sells me right there. What happened on Team Locke that Hurley mentions it months later after rescue?
Lastly, Jack has proven time and again that he will sacrifice himself to protect the Losties. If going with Jack is the wrong decision, at least I know I have someone with me who will watch my back and not throw one of his knives into it.
I don't know if it's that easy.
I agree with yout that in a lurch, Locke's loyalties lie with the island and not with the other survivors.
However, I think that Hurley meant it was a mistake for him to go with Locke. Hurley thinks he should have stayed with Jack, at least that's what he says. Going with Locke set a process of things in motion that ended disastrous for Hurley, maybe that's even what caused Hurley to be one of the Oceanic 6 and back in the real world now.
Interestingly enough, he doesn't say "Locke was wrong". So maybe, whatever happens in group Locke will prove to Hurley that he made the wrong choice, but that doesn't necessarily have to be true for Sawyer, Locke or Claire.
Locke is mysterious, reckless, follows his own goals and doesn't exactly share all the information he has on a voluntary basis. But for some reason I have the feeling that in the end, he's the one who will be proven right in this situation.
But still I'd go with Jack, though. Honestly, with rescue imminent and after everything he did to try and save everybody, stubborn and a little blindsighted as he might have been at times, I think if I were a Lostie, I'd trust him more than Locke right now.

Definitely Jack. All the points previously raised about how Locke only cares about the island and keeping himself on it while Jack does everything he can to protect the other Losties is very true. And putting myself in the place of someone on the island, after three months of crazy things happening and people dying left and right, I think I'd be desperate to get off the island, regardless of Charlie's warning.

And even knowing what we do about the future and how Jack regrets leaving, I'd still go with Jack. Hurley's regret of going with Locke has me spooked about what's going to happen to that group.

So Jack all the way.

Knowing what we know of how life turns out for the O6, I'd say I'd go with Locke. However, if I was on the island my primary focus would be getting off the island and I don't think I'd trust John Locke farther than I could throw him and therefore, I'd be Team Jack all the way.

I'd like to answer neither one. Locke has long since gone native and has more interest in the island than in the people on it. OTOH, Jack is well-intentioned but often ineffectual, and in this case I think he's not being nearly guarded enough with regard to these new people in light of warnings from Ben, Locke and Charlie.

I'd be tempted to follow Sayid and Juliet, who both want off the island and have good heads on their shoulders.

OTOH, going to the barracks and hunkering down where there's security sounds like a good interim plan till we can find out more about who these new arrivals are and what they're after. Besides which, the Others may well have another boat or two we don't know about yet.

So it looks like I'll be going with Sawyer after all. :biggrin:

My choice has always been Locke because he has a special connection to the island. I think it is much safer with him than with Jack.

John Locke
Since the beginning he has held a special place in the heart of the island, and seeing as how he can hear and see Jacob, and Ben is scared of him, Jack hates him, and the island loves him, its still John's Island. He is the power behind this season.

I probably should have made this a poll last night when I started this thread. Would have saved myself some counting.:biggrin:

So far:

Locke has 25 members
Jack has 19 members

No idea has 1 member

Others at the temple has 1 member

I actually didn't expect Locke to be favored... interesting so far.

I don't know if it's that easy.
I agree with yout that in a lurch, Locke's loyalties lie with the island and not with the other survivors.
However, I think that Hurley meant it was a mistake for him to go with Locke. Hurley thinks he should have stayed with Jack, at least that's what he says.

Yeah, but that was my point. What exactly made going with Locke a problem and more importantly, why would Hurley mention it to Jack so much later? Why would it even be on Hurley's mind? Surely he and Jack have seen each other and spoken since being off island, so why does Hurley mention going with Locke was not a good idea and felt the need to apologize?

Clearly, SOMETHING happened that haunts Hurley, otherwise why even bring it up after so much time?

Going with Locke set a process of things in motion that ended disastrous for Hurley, maybe that's even what caused Hurley to be one of the Oceanic 6 and back in the real world now.
Interestingly enough, he doesn't say "Locke was wrong". So maybe, whatever happens in group Locke will prove to Hurley that he made the wrong choice, but that doesn't necessarily have to be true for Sawyer, Locke or Claire. You do make a good point, but the opposite is also true. Everyone makes the assumption that leaving the island was wrong based on Jack's appearance in the FF, but maybe it wasn't a mistake for everyone - only Jack. Kate doesn't look even remotely upset the way Jack does. At the moment, I can't conclude that leaving the island was a disastrous decision. I think it is haunting Jack and Hurley, but we have no idea if the other four have been affected. Therefore, if they are fine, how was leaving a bad thing? See what I mean?

The truth is I don't have enough information to conclude that Jack or Locke are wrong. There's bits and pieces missing, and I'm guessing. The intrigue is really exciting for me. At the end of last season's finale, I was convinced that Jack making the call was a mistake for everyone. However, after watching last night's episode, there's an indication that something was not right in Locke camp, and also, Jack looks fine in the FF (albeit, he is starting to drink - so there are cracks in the facade). I was expecting Jack to be a wreck the minute he got off the island, but that's not what I'm seeing. Jack is returning to his practice, and seems happy. We know Kate appears to be happy. Something is obviously missing from the overall picture - both on island and off.

Locke is mysterious, reckless, follows his own goals and doesn't exactly share all the information he has on a voluntary basis. But for some reason I have the feeling that in the end, he's the one who will be proven right in this situation. I love the character of Locke (and I love Terry), but Locke is a lunatic. I think Rose's comment about Locke was spot on perfect. "I'm not going with that man." Even with the risk of having her cancer return, she knows Locke is off his rocker. Locke may know something about the island, but how does anyone know that what Locke wants for the island is that all the Losties conform to its will? Why wouldn't he let Jack leave? Is he afraid that something will happen to Jack and company or is he afraid that if Jack leaves, and the island gets upset, then Locke may lose the use of his legs again? Who's to say that Locke isn't trying to protect himself by doing the island's bidding and part of that is to keep everyone on the island.

But still I'd go with Jack, though. Honestly, with rescue imminent and after everything he did to try and save everybody, stubborn and a little blindsighted as he might have been at times, I think if I were a Lostie, I'd trust him more than Locke right now.I agree. For me, it's not about who is right because everyone can turn out to be right or wrong. Hindsight is 20/20, and you just don't know. The question for me is "Who would have my back? Who would look to protect me if trouble did show up? Who cares about others more than himself?" The answer is Jack (for me).

Plus, anyone who freaks out Ben, well, I wouldn't want to get on their bad side.


Ok...that made me laugh...totally agree.

I would go with Locke 100%. I know that these people are not to be trusted.Naomi is a huge liar and I wouldn't want anything to do with her or anyone she is associated with. I hate the way Jack tells people what to do all the time. Like when Locke said about "if you want to stay alive, you've got to come with me" Jack responded with "Noone's coming with you" like he owns people.

I trust Jack, although I'm sure I'd end up dying. Ha.

Well, after seeing the flash forward, probably Jack, but honestly, at the time - I would have gone with Jack.

"Not Penny's Boat"

I'd be with Locke all the way. No question.

There's clearly something up with that island and they all know it. Locke seems tuned in and Jack's in denial & having issues with acceptance (love him that I do). Also, Locke's the only one who's been able to go on sort of a solo visionquest on the island and he's survived The Others to make it back to tell the tale.

I'd go wherever Sayid went. I trust him completely. So I guess I'd go with Locke, right?

Assuming that I'm one of the survivors...and in light of Charlie's last message - I'm with Locke! I wanna go home...but Locke is my best chance of getting answers!

Yeah, but that was my point. What exactly made going with Locke a problem and more importantly, why would Hurley mention it to Jack so much later? Why would it even be on Hurley's mind? Surely he and Jack have seen each other and spoken since being off island, so why does Hurley mention going with Locke was not a good idea and felt the need to apologize?
Clearly, SOMETHING happened that haunts Hurley, otherwise why even bring it up after so much time?
You are right that we simply don't know enough to fill in the gaps yet. But what struck me about that scene between Jack and Hurley was that Hurley specifically said it was a wrong decision of his to go with Locke, and not that Locke was wrong.
That immediately reminded me of how he blamed himself for the crash of 815. He was convinced that it was his numbers-curse that brought the plane down in the first place. So it wouldn't really surprise me to see that Hurley is blaming their current situation - whatever it is, but clearly there is something fishy going on about the Oceanic 6 - on his decision back then. Just and idea, of course.
As for why he tells Jack that now, though they might have had other meetings after leaving the island before, I think that has directly to do with him seeing Charlie in that store. We don't know how long ago that was, but seeing Charlie and his freak-out afterwards led to him going back into the institution, so maybe that's been the turning point for him when he started rethinking their rescue.

You do make a good point, but the opposite is also true. Everyone makes the assumption that leaving the island was wrong based on Jack's appearance in the FF, but maybe it wasn't a mistake for everyone - only Jack. Kate doesn't look even remotely upset the way Jack does. At the moment, I can't conclude that leaving the island was a disastrous decision. I think it is haunting Jack and Hurley, but we have no idea if the other four have been affected. Therefore, if they are fine, how was leaving a bad thing? See what I mean?
I see what you mean. And of course that could be right. What I found interesting is how this Jack/Hurley FF was the exact opposite of the Jack/Kate FF. Here, it's Hurley who's convinced that leaving was a mistake, and Jack doesn't really want to hear anything about going back, or doubting their decision. In the FF at the end of last season, it was Jack who was desperate to go back and Kate didn't want to hear a word about it.
Maybe Jack's desire to go back and his process of doubting whether leaving was the right choice just hadn't been triggered yet. For Hurley, the trigger seems to have been "seeing" Charlie.
Who knows what the trigger or reason for Jack changing his mind was, but in the FF in TTLG he had certainly changed his mind about going back to the island.
I'm just saying that the same could be true for Kate and the other three Losties who returned. At first their life back in the real world might seem settled, and their choice of leaving seems like the right choice. But maybe for all of them there comes the point when they realise that leaving was the wrong choice. It can be the case that for Kate in TTLG, that point simply hadn't come yet, like it hadn't for Jack when he visited Hurley in the institution.
Of course, it might be that something entirely else is the case, but as you said, that's the fun about this :biggrin:

Though I have to say, on a last note in a long post, while I would follow Jack if I had to make that decision, last night's episode kinda shifted the my view on those two. And that is for one reason:
Locke may be off his rocker, and I agree that unless we really know his motivation to the last detail it might just be that he's a complete and utter lunatic. I don't think so, but it might be possible.
But in the season 3 finale, Locke didn't shoot Jack, no matter how badly he wanted to stop him from making that call. He didn't have any reservations killing Naomi, but he didn't shoot Jack.
Jack would have shot Locke, had it not been for the fact that there was no bullet in the gun. But Jack didn't know that.
To be totally honest, that shocked me.

I'm with Locke. "Not Penny's Boat" kinda wrecked my chances of going anywhere near the freighter people.

its still John's Island.

As a castaway, I'd find that absolutely frightening because what if the Island wants me to be the next sacrifice? I would want off the Islad so very badly, I'd probably follow Jack even if I didn't see Locke as a perfect candidate for Scientology.

Locke is working for the island. The island wants everyone to stay. If I wanted to get off the island, I would go with Jack. Going with Locke means that they believe Ben. Ben is a liar, we have no reason to believe what he says. Ben isn't in any position to tell them who's bad and who's good.

Not knowing what Hurley said in his FF and with all my heart I would go with Locke. BUT - I won't go anywhere, where there's no Des. For anything he stayed with Jack, I stay with him, with Des - not Jack - though for sure I would tell him my objections.

Jack would have shot Locke, had it not been for the fact that there was no bullet in the gun. But Jack didn't know that.
To be totally honest, that shocked me.
Aye, me too. Such moments are always showing what the characters are really capable of.

i absolutely have to go with locke on this one. first off, as both Hurley and Locke said, ignoring Charlie's final message would mean he died for nothing, and i could never let that happen. but as someone recently mentioned, Jack tried to kill Locke right in front of anyone, for pretty much no reason. i mean, yeah, he killed Naomi, but that means an instant death sentence from Jack? seems to me like jack's the one off his rocker now.

As a viewer - I would go with Locke. Because I understand most of what he does and why he does it. I KNOW about the wheelchair, for instance. But as another "Lostie," I probably go with Jack because Locke would seem pretty darned crazy. (Throwing a knife at Naomi etc.)

I would go with (and I really can't believe I'm going to say this): Locke. Just based on what Charlie did, and after that speech of Hurley's, how could I not?!

It would be SO tempting to stay with Jack, though.

I'd go with Locke - simply so Charlie didn't die for absolutely nothing. And, when you think about it - Charlie could've saved himself. He could've gotten out of the room in time, and shut the door behind him, and told Desmond in person that it wasn't Penny's boat.

I miss Charlie!!!
Killing him was probably one of the worst mistakes the show could've made... omg, I'm so depressed!

:charlie:

Locke all the way. My reasons?
1) For three seasons now, I've been watching as Jack slowly loses all traces of anything like stability. His decisions are almost always based purely on his monolithic ego and his anger and not being able to control everything around him. At this point in the show, it's safe to say that he's a complete megalomaniac. I mean, he tried to shoot Locke in front of everyone! He probably would have ripped Locke apart if Sayid hadn't dragged him away! I don't trust him. I don't particularly trust Locke either, but at the end of the day I think he's less likely to put a bullet in me just because I've crossed him. Jack has shown repeatedly that he only thinks in black and white: with-him or against-him.
2) Of all the castaways, Locke at this point probably has the best idea of what's really going on, and his decisions are more likely to be based on correct information than Jack's, especially since Jack has never bothered to wait for more information before telling everyone what to do. Locke is also much more likely to either include me in the decision-making process or at least to tell me the reasoning behind his decisions. Jack wouldn't feel the need to bother. I still remember back in S2 when Charlie asked Locke what was going on in the hatch and he simply responded with "What do you want to know?" I also remember in S3 when everyone demanded why Jack didn't tell them about Juliet and the Others' imminent attack, and he simply responded with "because i hadn't decided what we were going to do about it."
3) I've seen enough weird shit on that island to know it's not a normal chunk of land, and so I'm inclined to believe Locke really has been chosen for some special purpose. What it is, I don't know, but if there's anyone on the island who's the Real Deal, it's him.

Everyone makes the assumption that leaving the island was wrong based on Jack's appearance in the FF, but maybe it wasn't a mistake for everyone - only Jack. Kate doesn't look even remotely upset the way Jack does. At the moment, I can't conclude that leaving the island was a disastrous decision. I think it is haunting Jack and Hurley, but we have no idea if the other four have been affected. Therefore, if they are fine, how was leaving a bad thing? See what I mean?

The truth is I don't have enough information to conclude that Jack or Locke are wrong. There's bits and pieces missing, and I'm guessing. The intrigue is really exciting for me. At the end of last season's finale, I was convinced that Jack making the call was a mistake for everyone. However, after watching last night's episode, there's an indication that something was not right in Locke camp, and also, Jack looks fine in the FF (albeit, he is starting to drink - so there are cracks in the facade). I was expecting Jack to be a wreck the minute he got off the island, but that's not what I'm seeing. Jack is returning to his practice, and seems happy. We know Kate appears to be happy. Something is obviously missing from the overall picture - both on island and off.

I love the character of Locke (and I love Terry), but Locke is a lunatic. I think Rose's comment about Locke was spot on perfect. "I'm not going with that man." Even with the risk of having her cancer return, she knows Locke is off his rocker. Locke may know something about the island, but how does anyone know that what Locke wants for the island is that all the Losties conform to its will? Why wouldn't he let Jack leave? Is he afraid that something will happen to Jack and company or is he afraid that if Jack leaves, and the island gets upset, then Locke may lose the use of his legs again? Who's to say that Locke isn't trying to protect himself by doing the island's bidding and part of that is to keep everyone on the island.

For me, it's not about who is right because everyone can turn out to be right or wrong. Hindsight is 20/20, and you just don't know. The question for me is "Who would have my back? Who would look to protect me if trouble did show up? Who cares about others more than himself?" The answer is Jack (for me).

Excellent points, and I agree with you. It's all very ambiguous and we really need more info to draw definitive conclusions. I've already flip flopped once on the should they go or should they stay issue...after the finale I assumed Jack was wrong to leave the island, period. But now, well, I'm thinking maybe leaving the island was always the right thing to do, and it's the way they left the island that is the problem. Jack promised to bring everyone home, not just six of them, after all.

Locke just gives me a bad vibe, always has, and so does obviously Ben, so you have to wonder...if the two most island-happy people are these two seriously creepy dudes, whose to say being island-happy is a good thing? Maybe the island is more than just mysterious and spooky...maybe it's, well, evil, and maybe Jack and Hurley are so messed up because there are people they care about stuck in this bad, bad place and they aren't trying to rescue them.

Locke of course !! That Jack is a total gas hole and all kinds of stupid stubburn!!

Locke of course !! That Jack is a total gas hole and all kinds of stupid stubburn!!

lol. I'd have to agree.

I miss Charlie!

:charlie:

Team Jack

Excellent points, and I agree with you. It's all very ambiguous and we really need more info to draw definitive conclusions. I've already flip flopped once on the should they go or should they stay issue...after the finale I assumed Jack was wrong to leave the island, period. But now, well, I'm thinking maybe leaving the island was always the right thing to do, and it's the way they left the island that is the problem.

From a narrative point of view... this was the set up at the end of season three. But hearing TPTB and Matthew Fox talking about how they're going to explore how they got from leaving the Island to desperately wanting to go back as the theme for this season alone makes me wonder: are we really going to be stuck with the same premise for three more years? This flashforward (which I've enjoyed immensely) has already turned a lot of our hiatus theorizing on its head. I for one was very surprised to see Lance Reddick's scary dude was not an enforcer sent to silence Hurley, but on the contrary, he was there to make him talk.

Locke just gives me a bad vibe, always has, and so does obviously Ben, so you have to wonder...if the two most island-happy people are these two seriously creepy dudes, whose to say being island-happy is a good thing? Maybe the island is more than just mysterious and spooky...maybe it's, well, evil, and maybe Jack and Hurley are so messed up because there are people they care about stuck in this bad, bad place and they aren't trying to rescue them.

I snickered at something I read on a blog recently, namely that Locke is a perfect candidate for Scientology. Guru figures don't do it for me. In case I haven't put this disclaimer yet, I love Locke. Him and Jack are my favorite characters and the backbone of LOST. When they're on screen, this show is at its best. But I have a Locke fanatic in my family, namely my father and it was scary to see the glint in his eye when he first fell in love with Locke. He was worse than Boone, I think he would have followed him around like a puppy on the Island despite the fact that my dad's way too old to have a Yoda. I don't get that. If anything, I'm a Sayid-type and as such, I trust Locke about as much as he does, which is zero.

Having said that, I must admit I wavered about the nature of the Island and have a hard time seeing it as this Eden of redemption. But somehow, I think Locke's going to be proven right in the end. It won't justify his methods for me (see manipulating Charlie's death and quite possibly setting up the split in the group), but the writers believe in things I don't, or at least like using them in the story so I have to roll with it.

Locke's story would be terribly anticlimactic if he ended up duped and having to say "I was wrong" again and again and again. Too bad there's already a line of bodies in the trail of his convictions, but I think ultimately he's going to be proven right and find that destiny he's chasing. I find Locke very sympathetic off Island and even on it when he's not sacrificing people to supernatural entities and I don't think his character is going to continue the same pattern of gullibility and being used and thrown away when the Island is done with him. It would be immensely unsatisfying, even for a fan like me, ie someone who likes the character but doesn't agree with him most the time.

Knowing what I know as a viewer, I pick Team Locke.

But if I was just one of the nameless Losties, I'd probably go with Jack. Locke must seem absolultey insane to most of them, (as expressed by Rose last night), and Jack has always made it his priority to help them. The only exceptions are probably the people who actually went with Locke. Hurley went because he believes in Charlie's message. Claire went for that reason, and probably because she trusts Locke to protect her (remember, Jack didn't believe her about Ethan).

I'm surprised, however, that Sawyer went with Locke. He didn't seem to give a crap about Charlie's message. I think his angst over Kate played a part in that decision.

Desmond's choice also confused me. He was dead set on warning Jack not to contact the boat, per Charlie's message. I have a feeling he and possibly Sayid will soon defect as well.

I see what you mean. And of course that could be right. What I found interesting is how this Jack/Hurley FF was the exact opposite of the Jack/Kate FF. Here, it's Hurley who's convinced that leaving was a mistake, and Jack doesn't really want to hear anything about going back, or doubting their decision. In the FF at the end of last season, it was Jack who was desperate to go back and Kate didn't want to hear a word about it.
Maybe Jack's desire to go back and his process of doubting whether leaving was the right choice just hadn't been triggered yet. For Hurley, the trigger seems to have been "seeing" Charlie.

That's exactly what I was thinking after watching the episode too. I think "something" is causing the trigger to happen like Hurley suddenly seeing Charlie. When Jack and Hurley are playing basketball, Hurley makes the comment to Jack that he doesn't think they did the right thing by leaving the island, and he said "I think it wants us to come back." The part that really chilled me, however, was when Hurley said "and it's going to do everything it can to-" and that's when Jack interrupted saying "We're never going back!" The part that stuck in my head was "It is going to do everything it can." I'm guessing the part that was interrupted was "to get us to go back to the island."

I think your comment about a trigger is the island at work somehow. It's going to do whatever it has to do to Jack and Hurley (and anyone else who must return) to get them to want to go back to that island.

But in the season 3 finale, Locke didn't shoot Jack, no matter how badly he wanted to stop him from making that call. He didn't have any reservations killing Naomi, but he didn't shoot Jack.But Locke has not been through what Jack has been through on the island for the past three months. I tend to look at it from that POV. Jack has been a doctor to 40+ survivors for three months straight. He's the general practitioner, eye doctor, surgeon, pharmacist, obstetrician, etc. He's also the guy everyone goes to for everything. "Jack! Where's Jack? Have you seen Jack?" They want him to comfort them, to give them hope, to make flawless decisions. Jack was called up when Ben was shot with the arrow, when Libby and Ana Lucia were murdered, when Sawyer was hurt and on and on. On top of all that, Jack was kidnapped and held for three weeks in a cage (drugged, chained, and emotionally tortured).

None of that includes the crap that Locke put Jack through on a personal level (Boone's death, the trip to the Black Rock, the hatch, the sub, shooting at Jack, and killing Naomi). My point is that Jack has been pushed to unbelievable extremes (emotional, physical, mental) that Locke has not endured, not even with Cooper. I can see why Jack would shoot; it was the final straw for an emotionally drained man.

after the finale I assumed Jack was wrong to leave the island, period. But now, well, I'm thinking maybe leaving the island was always the right thing to do, and it's the way they left the island that is the problem. Jack promised to bring everyone home, not just six of them, after all.

Yeah, I'm beginning to think that Jack wasn't wrong for leaving the island either. He was smiling pretty widely when he met up with Hurley at the basketball court so he wasn't depressed or anything. Something ELSE happened afterwards that we don't know about. Maybe you're right about "the way they left the island."

maybe Jack and Hurley are so messed up because there are people they care about stuck in this bad, bad place and they aren't trying to rescue them.But maybe they don't want to be rescued. Maybe they want to stay. The final moments of last night's episode clearly showed that some are willing to remain behind.


But I have a Locke fanatic in my family, namely my father and it was scary to see the glint in his eye when he first fell in love with Locke. He was worse than Boone, I think he would have followed him around like a puppy on the Island despite the fact that my dad's way too old to have a Yoda.

I know what you mean, Claudia. I have a friend who feels the same way about Locke. He doesn't see anything about Locke's conduct as being wrong because Locke is "all-knowing" about the island, and therefore is right. Please. Just because Locke has a connection to the island doesn't mean he's right. What if Jack has the same connection and just doesn't know it yet? Maybe that's what Locke was alluding to in his talks with Jack.



Desmond's choice also confused me. He was dead set on warning Jack not to contact the boat, per Charlie's message. I have a feeling he and possibly Sayid will soon defect as well.

Yeah, but sometimes the notion of "keep your enemies closer" is a smarter move. Sayid, Desmond, Kate and Jack are the types to confront trouble head on. How will they know if the freighter is a mistake unless they actually confront these people? First find out the answers to your questions and THEN you can make an informed decision. They can always go back to the barracks and hide, but this is an opportunity for them to "meet" the enemy.

...I'm surprised, however, that Sawyer went with Locke. He didn't seem to give a crap about Charlie's message. I think his angst over Kate played a part in that decision.

Desmond's choice also confused me. He was dead set on warning Jack not to contact the boat, per Charlie's message. I have a feeling he and possibly Sayid will soon defect as well.

I think Sawyer went with Locke because he knows some things that the other Losties don't know or have forgotten:

Locke was in a wheelchair before he came to the Island.
Somehow the man who was responsible for his parents' deaths ended up on the Island and he was Locke's father.
He killed said man and hasn't had a moment to really process just what that means for the rest of his life. Maybe, he's hoping for a moment or two of peace.
He's realizing that he really doesn't have anything to go back to in the "World".
He's tired of Kate's see-sawing. Maybe he was hoping that she would choose to go with him?
He's emotionally wrung out and wants one of those Dharma cheeseburgers that Jack got while Sawyer was eating fish biscuits. :biggrin:


As far as Desmond goes, I really don't understand why he didn't leave with Locke either. :shrug: Maybe we'll understand more about that next week.
Locke has "ripped his britches" with Sayid and it would take something major for Sayid to have anything to do with Locke, IMO.

I'm going with Locke. I love the island and i'm there to stay!

Locke. If I were a regular redshirt Lostie, I think I'd be worried about Jack's stubborn "with me or against me" attitude. Plus, we(the regular redshirts) still don't know what happened to him with the Others, and don't really know if we should trust him anymore. Locke is always much more democratic; seems like he's more willing to communicate and discuss. Listen to other people at the very least. And although we'd just seen Locke throw a knife in the back of Naomi, someone we don't know very well, we also just saw Jack shoot Locke, someone we do know---Jack thought that gun was loaded. The man has decided that he is the arbiter of justice: judge, jury, and executioner. I can't stand by that.

Also, I think I'd be wary of strangers in general at this point, so hearing that the freighter people are Not Penny's Boat, I might head for the safety of the barracks until further notice. I'm a chicken.

Yeah, but sometimes the notion of "keep your enemies closer" is a smarter move. Sayid, Desmond, Kate and Jack are the types to confront trouble head on. How will they know if the freighter is a mistake unless they actually confront these people? First find out the answers to your questions and THEN you can make an informed decision. They can always go back to the barracks and hide, but this is an opportunity for them to "meet" the enemy.

Good point. I definitely think Sayid is from that school of thought. He's not going to listen to anyone's opinion. He's going to find out for himself.

I think Sawyer went with Locke because he knows some things that the other Losties don't know or have forgotten:

Locke was in a wheelchair before he came to the Island.
Somehow the man who was responsible for his parents' deaths ended up on the Island and he was Locke's father.
He killed said man and hasn't had a moment to really process just what that means for the rest of his life. Maybe, he's hoping for a moment or two of peace.
He's realizing that he really doesn't have anything to go back to in the "World".
He's tired of Kate's see-sawing. Maybe he was hoping that she would choose to go with him?
He's emotionally wrung out and wants one of those Dharma cheeseburgers that Jack got while Sawyer was eating fish biscuits. :biggrin:
As far as Desmond goes, I really don't understand why he didn't leave with Locke either. :shrug: Maybe we'll understand more about that next week.
Locke has "ripped his britches" with Sayid and it would take something major for Sayid to have anything to do with Locke, IMO.

I completely agree about Sawyer, but I'll add his relationship with Jack might be contributing to that decision too. He and Jack aren't usually on the same side, and he certainly isn't going to let the doc tell him what to do.

I completely agree about Sawyer, but I'll add his relationship with Jack might be contributing to that decision too. He and Jack aren't usually on the same side, and he certainly isn't going to let the doc tell him what to do.

There is that. Although Sawyer has admitted that Jack's the closest thing to a real friend he has on the Island, there's always the feeling of not measuring up, in Sawyer's mind and, frankly, may not feel like dealing with kind of stuff right now.

Locke is CLEARLY the one to go with and definitely the one I would side with. I mean I feel for Jack, he is trying and does have the interest of everyone at heart, but he's starting to let personal vendettas get in the way. I DO NOT like how he would have killed John just like that. Can you imagine what would have happened if there had actually been a bullet in that gun??? He would have blown a gaping hole in John's head and that in itself would have caused TOTAL chaos amongst the LOSTies. I can't believe more of them weren't affected by that even though it was empty. That was SO wrong of Jack....and remember in the first season when he told Kate he wasn't a murderer?....well even though Locke is still alive just the fact that Jack pulled that trigger makes him one in my book. And that alone would make me want to go with Locke if I was wavering. But I would not be wavering. I have been a devoted member of Team Locke since day one. His first episode, Walkabout, from the first season, was the very first episode I saw, I had missed the first two and went back and watched them later through repeats. Locke is my favorite character and always will be. I think despite everything that has happened, Locke is WAY more sane than Jack at this point. I think Jack is starting to come apart at the seems trying to kill people and obviously willing to do ANYTHING to get off the island. Jack is no different than Michael at this point. Locke knows what he's doing...he has a knowledge of the island and can obviously communicate with it. And I think he will most likely replace Ben as leader of The Others eventually, and then they will become something OTHER than what we know them as....maybe then they actually will become the good guys.

Knowing what I know now... Locke. The island me would go with Jack.

I'd go with Locke, Hurleys words about Charlies message, would of won me over. I understand Locke has at times put people in danger, but he has never killed any losties, and I do think he cares about them.

I don't know if I'd go with either of them. Locke is too focused on his destiny with the island. And Jack seems to be losing, I understand why with all of the stress he's been under it would be weird if he didn't. When he called Locke crazy he seemed to be pretty gone to me. Jack is always convinced he's right and has a tendency not to listen to other people so he can't see the whole picture. He's convinced himself that the freighter means rescue and isn't paying attention to the obvious signs Naomi leaving a false trail of blood, the weird conversation with Minkowski. But in all fairness if I were on the island and had endured what these people had endured I'd probably welcome anything as rescue.

Locke is CLEARLY the one to go with and definitely the one I would side with. I mean I feel for Jack, he is trying and does have the interest of everyone at heart, but he's starting to let personal vendettas get in the way. I DO NOT like how he would have killed John just like that. Can you imagine what would have happened if there had actually been a bullet in that gun??? He would have blown a gaping hole in John's head and that in itself would have caused TOTAL chaos amongst the LOSTies. I can't believe more of them weren't affected by that even though it was empty. That was SO wrong of Jack....and remember in the first season when he told Kate he wasn't a murderer?....well even though Locke is still alive just the fact that Jack pulled that trigger makes him one in my book. And that alone would make me want to go with Locke if I was wavering. But I would not be wavering. I have been a devoted member of Team Locke since day one. His first episode, Walkabout, from the first season, was the very first episode I saw, I had missed the first two and went back and watched them later through repeats. Locke is my favorite character and always will be. I think despite everything that has happened, Locke is WAY more sane than Jack at this point. I think Jack is starting to come apart at the seems trying to kill people and obviously willing to do ANYTHING to get off the island. Jack is no different than Michael at this point. Locke knows what he's doing...he has a knowledge of the island and can obviously communicate with it. And I think he will most likely replace Ben as leader of The Others eventually, and then they will become something OTHER than what we know them as....maybe then they actually will become the good guys.

I like the comparison with Michael. I don't think crazy is the right word, though. I think Jack in this situation is like Michael was because he's desperate. Jack's ultimate goal ever since he was made leader (without being asked about it) was to get them off the island. Now that goal seems to be within reach and here comes Locke with his own agenda, trying to stop him.
I think the degree of desparation is comparable to what Michael was willing to do to get his son back.
On a side note, since I see that you haven't posted much on the 'Lage: There's no need to put your own assumptions and guesses in Spoiler brackets. Those are really just for spoiler info, i.e. stuff that hasn't happened on the show yet. Nothing you put in there was spoilery, and putting the brackets around it will just scare off those who don't want to be spoiled from reading your entire post. As long as you don't use info about what's going to happen which you found on the net somewhere to come to your assumptions, it's perfectly all right to leave those brackets off ;)

Locke is my homeboy, I'd stick with him :)

Team Jack all the way! :biggrin: Even knowing what I know now. I mean, why did Hurley say he should have gone with Jack? If Locke was the person to go with, why does Hurley regret it?

Locke, cause he knows... Plus, I wouldn't want to wind up off the island, having a bad-looking beard, abusing prescription medication, and screaming that I wanted to go back to the island.

I'd go with Locke.
I can't really explain it. I've read all your responses and agree with a lot of stuff here, it would just be another mystery....... no wait, it's his eyes......;)

I think Locke is more worried about himself than anyone else, if you were in trouble, who would come and help you more Jack or Locke? Plus I'm always going to stay with the doctor and the person who has been continuously trying to get everyone off the island.

As a viewer, I'd go with Locke, because I think the Freighter people are baddies. But if I were actually a person on the island, not a viewer, I would probably go with Jack.

If I were a Lostie and I was choosing sides I would have waited until Sawyer made his choice and then I would have went with whatever side he picked. :biggrin: Which means I would have ended up with Locke - the crazy geezer...*sigh*

I'd go with Jack because I fancy him.

I have chosen to go with Locke but I read a lot on this thread about Locke only thinking for himself and his destiny. It may seem that way lately but is not exactly true. There are things Locke has done that were instrumental in the survival of the losties.

In season one he revealed he had knives and used them to hunt food.

He saved Jack from falling to his death on that cliff (after Jack ran through the jungle chasing what he thought was his dead father).

He built Aaron a cradle.

He made buddies with Walt (which i think will be a key aspect in the long run).

He found the hatch which they all profited from the food and supplies and whatnot.

He was the first to warn everyone they were not alone on the island.

He invented fire. ;)

These are the ones that pop into my head right off. I'm sure there's more good things he has done for the group.

I think most rational human beings stuck on an island would go with Jack. He's consistently tried to do whats best for everyone and not for himself. Plus Hurley seems to think he should have gone with Jack...

I love Locke and his craziness but I'd still have to go with the guy not blowing up subs and stabbing random women in the back...

GettinLost - the same with me and Desmond, lol.
And probably I would try to convince him to go with Locke, but... The Penny stuff. Yup, I can understand him. Not sure if I would go with Locke without Des. Maybe.

If I heard the "Not Penny's Boat" part of it, I'd think about going with Locke. Otherwise...I might have to go with Jack. but Danielle and Ben, aside from being crazy, might also know interesting things that might help one to survive. *shrug* I don't know.

Edit: Or I might just, um...go wherever Desmond went. =)

And as a viewer I'd go definitely with the Locke team, cause there is Locke, Ben, Alex, Hurley - everyone who I like very much. If there was Des also - I would be in heaven. To have him in that group, close to those people I really want him to be interacted with.

GettinLost - the same with me and Desmond, lol.
And probably I would try to convince him to go with Locke, but... The Penny stuff. Yup, I can understand him. Not sure if I would go with Locke without Des. Maybe.

Absolutely!! LOL!! :biggrin:

But really I would want to go with Jack - although it looks like that would have been the wrong choice. But I don't really care for Locke - I think he's nuts.

However, with Sawyer around maybe I could take Kate's place and he'll protect me...:naughty:

And as a viewer I'd go definitely with the Locke team, cause there is Locke, Ben, Alex, Hurley - everyone who I like very much. If there was Des also - I would be in heaven. To have him in that group, close to those people I really want him to be interacted with.

Yes-- B-team FTW! Ben, Alex, and Carl! Haha. My other favourite characters.

And plus....the Barracks= food, shelter, security. Y'know...food would be great.

It would all depend on what I was going back to. If I was a noted spinal surgeon I'd certainly go back, if I was a con-man or fugitive I think I would want to stay. In my particular case, I'd go with John just to see how well Ben suffers before he gets offed...

Oldwiz

And as a viewer I'd go definitely with the Locke team, cause there is Locke, Ben, Alex, Hurley - everyone who I like very much. If there was Des also - I would be in heaven. To have him in that group, close to those people I really want him to be interacted with.

There's nothing wrong with liking the characters, but you don't necessarily have to be on their side. I don't trust Locke or Ben as far as I can throw them, but I think they are great characters. You couldn't pay me to be on Locke's team considering what he and Ben are capable of. ;)

I find it impossible to answer this question. If I was on the island then I'd probably go with Locke as a result of Hugo's speech.

However, as a viewer I can't say. It's clear that Jack got off the island, but so did Hurley, and Hurley went with Locke. Charlie has told Hugo "You know they need you", implying that other characters may well be in peril. However, Jack and Hurley are clearly unhappy in the flashforwards that we've seen in this and the previous episode, and that they have something terrible hanging over them. I'm not sure if I've want to be in that situation either.

I'm not sure which group I'd rather be in, especially as it's stil unclear whether the Oceanic 6 will all come from Jack's group.

Krystal, it all depends on that if I want to stay on the Island - rather just little longer, cause i.e. I do not trust the frighters, but I still want to go back home, as the Team Locke probably feels (well, maybe except of Locke and Ben).
Watching the show at my home I WANT to be on the Island. I would stay really, I think. That is what is different from Des' feelings, aye. But I am in comfortable situation here, it's hard for me to imagine how would I feel there, if stayin' at my home I want to be there so much.

But as much as I can imagine I am with Des. So also with Jack.

I find it impossible to answer this question. If I was on the island then I'd probably go with Locke as a result of Hugo's speech.

However, as a viewer I can't say. It's clear that Jack got off the island, but so did Hurley, and Hurley went with Locke. Charlie has told Hugo "You know they need you", implying that other characters may well be in peril. However, Jack and Hurley are clearly unhappy in the flashforwards that we've seen in this and the previous episode, and that they have something terrible hanging over them. I'm not sure if I've want to be in that situation either.

I'm not sure which group I'd rather be in, especially as it's stil unclear whether the Oceanic 6 will all come from Jack's group.

Exacty! Because hind-sight is 20/20 - we know Locke's Team was the right team. Or DO we...??? HMMMmmm... Because we don't know what has been going on on the Island since the O6 left. It may be BAD - real BAD.

But knowing myself - 91 days on an island without running water, showers, sometimes food, threats of crazy people and monsters - get me the H - E - double-hockey sticks off of this Island!

Now that's ME answering the question. If I were an actual Lostie - as I said - wherever Sawyer goes I go!

"Neither. I'm going to the Temple with the rest of the Others."

-- I'm with that idea.

We have to remember that as an audience, we know more than the regular castaway, and as such, we have little evidence that John Locke is doing anything on our behalf, while Jack, faults and all, has always been trying to get us rescued.

I'd trust Jack over Locke any day.

We have to remember that as an audience, we know more than the regular castaway, and as such, we have little evidence that John Locke is doing anything on our behalf, while Jack, faults and all, has always been trying to get us rescued.

I'd trust Jack over Locke any day.

Even from a survivor standpoint, if they look at everything John has done and everything Jack has done, Jack arguably seems like the more logical choice, especially if they want to get off the island. If I were a survivor and I wanted to stay on the island (which is another argument all together) I still would not go with Locke, because not only is Locke dangerous, but his teammate Ben is the ultimate manipulator/murderer and you can't trust a word that he says. The survivors have been trying for 90+ days to learn about the others and the island and they haven't really gotten anything useful from Locke or Ben in that amount of time, so it would be foolish to think they are going to learn more about the island from either of those two by staying close by them.

Even from a survivor standpoint, if they look at everything John has done and everything Jack has done, Jack arguably seems like the more logical choice, especially if they want to get off the island. If I were a survivor and I wanted to stay on the island (which is another argument all together) I still would not go with Locke, because not only is Locke dangerous, but his teammate Ben is the ultimate manipulator/murderer and you can't trust a word that he says. The survivors have been trying for 90+ days to learn about the others and the island and they haven't really gotten anything useful from Locke or Ben in that amount of time, so it would be foolish to think they are going to learn more about the island from either of those two by staying close by them.

I would have to agree. John Locke has not been a particularly sharing guy, as he himself said in this episode: "I know I have a lot of explaining to do", well John, start talking, because right now I want to get off this rock and hug my dog more than anything else in the world.

I would also like to address the comment that Jack wants everyone to do what he tells them. I didn't see that at all when he stood there and watched the people he had risked his life to save walking to join Locke, the guy who whacked Sayid over the head when he was trying to communicate with the outside world, blew up the Flame - a communication station, for the love of God -, blew up the sub that could have meant rescue, and stabbed the person trying to get a boat to the island. He silently watched them go, let them make their own decision and didn't even try to convince them or argue with them to stay. Pretty much like he did when half the camp wanted to stay on the beach and not follow him to the caves. Say what you will about Jack, but he hasn't been a dictator, egotistical maniac from where I'm watching.

Aslo, I don't think Jack is disregarding Charlie's warning, he's obviously reluctant and warned about these new people as he doesn't answer the question the new parachutist puts to him right away. If he were still trusting these guys, he'd have said, "yeah, I'm Jack, so happy to see you man, where's the boat?". The fact that he looked back to Kate and asked questions before answering any is an indication that he's not trusting the Freighties right off the bat. Sayid and Desmond stayed with Jack to probably do the same thing. Knowing your enemy is crucial in battle. Sayid would want to study them first, Desmond would probably want to know why they had his picture and claimed to know Penny. Staying with Jack, and Jack deciding to meet the Freighties head on is by no means a sign that they are all trusting of the new arrivals.

Well knowing what I know as The Viewer, I would probably go with Locke.

But if I know what the Losties know, there isn't enough info to make me think there is anything sinister about the Freighter. Charlie's warning is the only message they have, and just because it's not Penny's boat, who cares? It doesn't mean that they aren't there to rescue them. My desire to get off the haunted island with murderous inhabitants and see my family, trumps any doubts I would have from what Charlie wrote. I would go with Jack.

ETA - Plus Sayid is an experienced soldier, so I'd feel safer with him if trouble ever came along, and he was with Jack.

One question I did have, was if Ben wasn't there or hadn't gone with Locke, how would they have been able to get through the security fence? Locke knows about the fence, so what woulod have been his plan to get through it?

I would have to agree. John Locke has not been a particularly sharing guy, as he himself said in this episode: "I know I have a lot of explaining to do", well John, start talking, because right now I want to get off this rock and hug my dog more than anything else in the world.

I would also like to address the comment that Jack wants everyone to do what he tells them. I didn't see that at all when he stood there and watched the people he had risked his life to save walking to join Locke, the guy who whacked Sayid over the head when he was trying to communicate with the outside world, blew up the Flame - a communication station, for the love of God -, blew up the sub that could have meant rescue, and stabbed the person trying to get a boat to the island. He silently watched them go, let them make their own decision and didn't even try to convince them or argue with them to stay. Pretty much like he did when half the camp wanted to stay on the beach and not follow him to the caves. Say what you will about Jack, but he hasn't been a dictator, egotistical maniac from where I'm watching.

Aslo, I don't think Jack is disregarding Charlie's warning, he's obviously reluctant and warned about these new people as he doesn't answer the question the new parachutist puts to him right away. If he were still trusting these guys, he'd have said, "yeah, I'm Jack, so happy to see you man, where's the boat?". The fact that he looked back to Kate and asked questions before answering any is an indication that he's not trusting the Freighties right off the bat. Sayid and Desmond stayed with Jack to probably do the same thing. Knowing your enemy is crucial in battle. Sayid would want to study them first, Desmond would probably want to know why they had his picture and claimed to know Penny. Staying with Jack, and Jack deciding to meet the Freighties head on is by no means a sign that they are all trusting of the new arrivals.

Good points, CL and I agree with you. Jack's always looked out for the best interests of the group as a whole and while John has contributed along the way too, his actions of late would cause anyone to wonder about his sanity. (for the reasons you stated, blowing up the sub, trying to kill the woman who may lead the group to rescue, etc.)

If I were on the island, I would go with Jack. Seeing Sayid, Desmond and Kate stay with him would also sway me in that direction. Jack is cautious and as you mentioned he did not toss his name out there when asked by the stranger. I think he'll be reserved in his trust of the newcomers, but still hope for a resuce for his people. Everything thus far has lead up to this point, that the group could be rescued, I think Jack wants to give it every opportunity of happening without putting anyone in unnecessary danger.

Did anyone notice which group Vincent went with?

Did anyone notice which group Vincent went with?

:biggrin: According to the last mobisode Vincent is working for Christian Shephard, so he's probably at Jacob's cabin, laying down next to the rocking chair.

:biggrin: According to the last mobisode Vincent is working for Christian Shephard, so he's probably at Jacob's cabin, laying down next to the rocking chair.

:24: Now that you mention that, there was a lovely picture of a dog hanging on the wall of the cabin. :rolleyes:

:24: Now that you mention that, there was a lovely picture of a dog hanging on the wall of the cabin. :rolleyes:

Yeah, that picture is probably Vincent. :3:

Did anyone notice which group Vincent went with?


I believe Vincent went with team Locke.

I believe Vincent went with team Locke.


Well I think the person who was holding Vincent's leash went with Team Locke.;)

I believe Vincent went with team Locke.

Well I think the person who was holding Vincent's leash went with Team Locke.;)

Thanks guys...:biggrin:

I didn't remember seeing Vincent when they were splitting into groups...

*note to self....go back and review epi yet again. :rolleyes: *

Vincent was with the guy wearing the grey/blue polo shirt and glasses.

Yeah, I'm beginning to think that Jack wasn't wrong for leaving the island either. He was smiling pretty widely when he met up with Hurley at the basketball court so he wasn't depressed or anything. Something ELSE happened afterwards that we don't know about. Maybe you're right about "the way they left the island."


I've got to disagree here. Clearly, Jack was already self-medicating when we saw him pouring vodka into his orange juice the morning of Hurley's arrest.

After seeing both FFs so far, it seems to me that at least three of the O6 are being driven mad by whatever secret it is that they're harboring: the unknown person from the article apparently hangs himself; Hurley is hiding out in a mental hospital; and Jack has become alcoholic, drug-addicted and suicidal. Who knows how Kate will eventually cope, or how the other, as yet unnamed O6ers are dealing?

I would also like to address the comment that Jack wants everyone to do what he tells them. I didn't see that at all when he stood there and watched the people he had risked his life to save walking to join Locke, the guy who whacked Sayid over the head when he was trying to communicate with the outside world, blew up the Flame - a communication station, for the love of God -, blew up the sub that could have meant rescue, and stabbed the person trying to get a boat to the island. He silently watched them go, let them make their own decision and didn't even try to convince them or argue with them to stay. Pretty much like he did when half the camp wanted to stay on the beach and not follow him to the caves. Say what you will about Jack, but he hasn't been a dictator, egotistical maniac from where I'm watching.

I'm always amazed when Jack gets the dictator label. You are exactly right that Jack did nothing to sway any of the Losties. He let them all go without a word. The cave/beach was a good example too. The hatch and the button is another example. Jack didn't believe in it at all, but he took his turn pushing it. I notice that Jack tends to get bossy when someone is about to risk their life. He did it with Kate in THP, he did it with Sayid in TTLG, etc. Jack tends to feel that he has to keep everyone safe, even to the point of saying "you're not doing it." Yes, it's bossy, but it's coming from a place of concern not "I'm the island dictator."

he's not trusting the Freighties right off the bat. Sayid and Desmond stayed with Jack to probably do the same thing. Knowing your enemy is crucial in battle. Sayid would want to study them first, Desmond would probably want to know why they had his picture and claimed to know Penny. Staying with Jack, and Jack deciding to meet the Freighties head on is by no means a sign that they are all trusting of the new arrivals.

I don't think Jack is trusting anyone either. Jack wants to meet the freighter people. I mean, who wouldn't? A group of people with access to helicopters for God's sake is coming to the island, and the Losties response is to run? Charlie's message of "Not Penny's Boat" in no way implied that he didn't want them to contact the boat. It was a message of "keep your eyes open." Jack had already radioed the boat by the time they found out about Charlie's message. I don't see how hiding is a better strategy. Jack, Sayid, and Desmond are smart to want to meet these people. How else do you know what you're dealing with?

Well I think the person who was holding Vincent's leash went with Team Locke.;)

Which means:

that Vincent will be spying for Christian Shephard a/k/a Camp Jack ;)

I've got to disagree here. Clearly, Jack was already self-medicating when we saw him pouring vodka into his orange juice the morning of Hurley's arrest.

Yeah, but Jack was no where near the mental frame of mind he was in in TTLG. Topping off his orange juice is certainly an indication that something is up, but Jack didn't look like he was sinking into a depression at all. Jack WAS content in TBOTE. That's not to say that something wasn't eating at him subconsciously, but I can't say that after watching that episode that Jack was miserable. He did flash a huge smile to Hurley when he saw him, and there wasn't any "God, aren't we miserable to be back." Hurley was starting to be haunted by Charlie. That was the catalyst for Hurley, at least at this point. We don't know what happened to them prior to TBOTE.

After seeing both FFs so far, it seems to me that at least three of the O6 are being driven mad by whatever secret it is that they're harboring: the unknown person from the article apparently hangs himself; Hurley is hiding out in a mental hospital; and Jack has become alcoholic, drug-addicted and suicidal. Who knows how Kate will eventually cope, or how the other, as yet unnamed O6ers are dealing?

I still think that it's more than just keeping a secret. I think the island is haunting them in order to get them to come back. Hurley's line of "It's going to do whatever it can" just keeps sticking in my head.

Also, I'm not so sure that getting off the island was a mistake. Charlie told Hurley "They need help," which tells me that the people who stayed behind are in trouble, and it may be because they chose to stay. Maybe leaving was the better choice, and the reason Hurley and Jack are so messed up is because the island wants them back and doing whatever it has to do to accomplish that, including driving Hurley to madness and Jack to drugs and alcohol. Granted, this scenario is total conjecture on my part, but I'm going to keep it tucked in the back of my mind to see if any of it plays out in the upcoming episodes.

Jack had already radioed the boat by the time they found out about Charlie's message. I don't see how hiding is a better strategy.

Otherville isn't exactly Alcatraz either. Maybe Ben is planning to hide with the rest of the Others, the ones who took off after Locke blew up the sub, but still... It doesn't strike me as a viable option, or Ben wouldn't be quite as freaked out by them. Yes, Jack had already made the call and if the freighties wish the losties any harm, they would have found them anyway. I doubt that's the case. I think they're after Ben. I know, hard to believe anyone would have reasons to be pissed at Ben...

Yeah, but Jack was no where near the mental frame of mind he was in in TTLG.

No, but he's getting there. Just like the moment he heard those shots via the walkie and then lost it on Ben was his cracking point on the Island, getting off the Island was no joyride either. Depression isn't always overt and I'm sure he's highly funcitonal at this point, but it's there. Christian Shephard was a highly functional drunk too and managed to be Chief of Surgery for years. In fact, he's been drinking since Jack was a kid. It would be mindblowing if Christian left the Island at one point too and that's why he's slowly self-destructing. ;)


I still think that it's more than just keeping a secret.

Me too. I think if the next season finale is a Jack episode, we might get our answer. The show's pace has picked up considerably, thank you TPTB!

Otherville isn't exactly Alcatraz either. Maybe Ben is planning to hide with the rest of the Others, the ones who took off after Locke blew up the sub, but still... It doesn't strike me as a viable option, or Ben wouldn't be quite as freaked out by them. Yes, Jack had already made the call and if the freighties wish the losties any harm, they would have found them anyway. I doubt that's the case. I think they're after Ben. I know, hard to believe anyone would have reasons to be pissed at Ben...

:laughing: I agree with you Clauds. And I think that the freighters are after Ben, especially if they are a part of the dharma initiative.

Otherville isn't exactly Alcatraz either. Maybe Ben is planning to hide with the rest of the Others, the ones who took off after Locke blew up the sub, but still... It doesn't strike me as a viable option, or Ben wouldn't be quite as freaked out by them. Yes, Jack had already made the call and if the freighties wish the losties any harm, they would have found them anyway. I doubt that's the case. I think they're after Ben. I know, hard to believe anyone would have reasons to be pissed at Ben...

That's an interesting theory. Maybe they could be after Ben because of what he did to the Dharma Initiative, but I also think something else is at work.

No, but he's getting there. Just like the moment he heard those shots via the walkie and then lost it on Ben was his cracking point on the Island,

I didn't see that as a cracking point, at least not in terms of any mental breakdown. I think Jack has been holding in his hatred for Ben for months, and he just finally unleashed it. I think anyone would have had that reaction. The fact that he didn't kill Ben was perhaps more surprising.

On the other hand, I have seen Jack take a more violent turn after returning from Othersville. "We're going to blow them all to hell" and "I'm going to kill you," etc. Yeah, maybe you're right.

getting off the Island was no joyride either.

Yeah, but that's the problem for me. We don't know if the reason for Jack's misery is because he got off the island. After this last episode, I have so many more questions and different opinions than I had prior to the episode. Who's to say that getting off the island wasn't the right decision, and the only reason for Jack and Hurley's breakdowns are because 1) the island is trying to lure them back by driving them insane; or 2) they found out that the people who chose to stay are now in danger and need help.

I need to see the next episode. My previous theories are all up in the air now. I thought going with Jack was a mistake after TTLG, but then Hurley states that he never should have gone with Locke and should have stayed with Jack. What happened? :confused:

Depression isn't always overt and I'm sure he's highly funcitonal at this point, but it's there. Christian Shephard was a highly functional drunk too and managed to be Chief of Surgery for years. In fact, he's been drinking since Jack was a kid. It would be mindblowing if Christian left the Island at one point too and that's why he's slowly self-destructing. ;)

Agreed. I think Jack has always had a depression problem. Being happy is not something Jack seem to allow himself, and naturally, the alcohol is feeding that depression. The Sataness coming around is helping him either. Heck, I'd hit the bottle.

After seeing both FFs so far, it seems to me that at least three of the O6 are being driven mad by whatever secret it is that they're harboring: the unknown person from the article apparently hangs himself; Hurley is hiding out in a mental hospital; and Jack has become alcoholic, drug-addicted and suicidal. Who knows how Kate will eventually cope, or how the other, as yet unnamed O6ers are dealing?

Well, that's if you believe that the person in the coffin was indeed one of the O6. I don't think that person was, after all, there was no mention of the O6 in that newspaper article, and since the O6 are so famous (reporters constantly want to talk to them) then the death of one would be pretty big news. Much bigger than an after thought article on a back page.

I'd go with Locke. Hurley had a point there.

Before Hurley's speech, I'd be dead-set with Jack. Jack would mean rescue. But after Hurley's words, I'd start to think and see that Charlie was clearly trying to warn us. So, I'd go with Locke.

Whether or not I regret it, though, is unknown. XD

i don't know .. man, i dont want to end up like Jack in s3 FF, or in a coffin, or always running away from something or someone .. considering Charlie's last words, if the freighter people didnt mean no harm, why would Naomi claim that she's with Penny? right now i think i'd go with Locke. Locke knows best. LOL. he has a communion with the Island that noone else (maybe not even Ben) have, and he wants to stay and i see none wrong with staying. except for the unknown.

and i see none wrong with staying. except for the unknown.

:13: Oh oh, seriously? I could make a whole list of freighting things on the island. :shock1: :hide:

:13: Oh oh, seriously? I could make a whole list of freighting things on the island. :shock1: :hide:


Exactly! Now, if this were just an ordinary island, I would be more than happy to escape from civilization and live the rest of my life on a beautiful tropical island, even risking being in nature's perils.

However, this is not an ordinary island! Kidnapping Others, a weird mind-reading, head-bashing smoke monster, a manipulative psychopath Ben, get pregnant and die, and an unstable dude who throws knives in people's backs...um... I think I'm gonna risk taking the next boat outta there!

ETA: Oh, and there are polar bears too. Team Jack please.

I'd have to say Jack. Locke just seems a little too whacked out for me, in my opinion. Plus, Locke is trying to stay on the island... and even if he's right (and I know, he probably is), I'd rather take a chance with Jack and try to get off the rock.

If I'd had the chance to really absord Charlie message, despite what little Hurley said, I'd go with Locke, just cuz sticking around the shore doesn't sound so safe. That said, GO JACK!

That's a tough one. I would go with Jack because I think, if I was a redshirt, I'd trust him a lot more than Locke. However - if Naomi wasn't who she said she was, I would want to get as far away from the freighters as possible. But that means going with Locke. Hmmm. No clue.

:13: Oh oh, seriously? I could make a whole list of freighting things on the island. :shock1: :hide:

yeah but better than going nuts and being like s3 FF Jack.:shock:


Exactly! Now, if this were just an ordinary island, I would be more than happy to escape from civilization and live the rest of my life on a beautiful tropical island, even risking being in nature's perils.

However, this is not an ordinary island! Kidnapping Others, a weird mind-reading, head-bashing smoke monster, a manipulative psychopath Ben, get pregnant and die, and an unstable dude who throws knives in people's backs...um... I think I'm gonna risk taking the next boat outta there!

ETA: Oh, and there are polar bears too. Team Jack please.

the Others who have been living in the island before the crash were safe from the polar bears & smoke monster (not a mention they were attacked) -- probably due to the sonar fence.
i kinda understand why Locke threw that knife to Naomi. hell, i was happy he did. :rolleyes: *ohh cruel me*

And Ben, i love his character. i would trust him more than Minkowsy (:confused:).. but i think i still have to wait for the next episodes to figure out with whom i'll really go with.
im just saying that, right now, with what i know, i would want to go with Locke .. and Sawyer, Hugo, Claire, Alex, etc ...

Locke--way more creepy. Maybe he would take us to meet Jacob...BOO!

Team Jack for sure. I'm with Rose - no way I'd be going with "that man". Team Locke may seem cool now, but Locke would sacrifice any one of them if anything got in the way of him and the love of his life, the Island. And then I'd just be the next sacrifice that the Island demanded.

But Jack has already proven that he'd sacrifice himself for others I think his main concern is always with keeping the Losties safe and getting them off the island. In lieu of the latter, I'll at least take the former.

Jack of course!! And not just because Locke got me killed.:mad: Locke is crazy. Well, a lot of the people on the island are crazy, but he is selfish, thinking only of himself. Jack cares about the welfare of everyone. Locke just doesn't want to go back into the wheelchair. He's a turncoat just like Michael, who I despise for killing innocent Libby.

Ah heck after all we have been through on this Island I'd grab a cup of joe, put a log on the fire and take a nap and wait foreveryone to come back. It be dumb to think that anythings gonna change. Why waist all that energy hiding, flying back to the states, fighting just to end up back at the camp fire. And if the unknowns came to get us, well hey just offer them a cup of joe. What the heck they gonna do to you that hasn't been done already and they can't kill ya if your already dead. The cat only chases the mouse when the mouse runs.

Just my two coconuts.

I'd have to say Jack. Locke just seems a little too whacked out for me, in my opinion. Plus, Locke is trying to stay on the island... and even if he's right (and I know, he probably is), I'd rather take a chance with Jack and try to get off the rock.

Agreed. I'm staying with Jack, I think the single biggest reason is that I think Jack's character would sacrifice himself for the welfare of the larger group.

Good question nonetheless.... it's beginning to remind me more and more of Lord of the Flies... anyone else?

I would go with Locke anyday. If you go with Locke you wont be any worse off, in fact you'll be living in the barracks which means at the worst you'll be living better. If you go with Jack there is a risk of death.

it would always have been Locke and i see even less reason to change my mind now than i ever did.

if i were a lostie who has been trapped in a creepy island for 3 months eating only mangos, fish and boar meat, running and hiding from a smoke monster, witnessed a lot of deaths, hearing some creepy voices coming from the woods, kidnapped or watched my friends kidnapped by some ppl who call themselves the others, i would try my chance to get off the island and go with team jack no matter who was coming to the island...
at least they have a boat and a helicopter! and who says "not penny's boat" means they are coldblooded murderes who are coming to the island to kill them all...
oh yeah ben and locke say they are coming to kill them all... :rolleyes:
at least we are sure that 6 of them are alive in the future :)

Team Jack. Stay on the island is deadly dangerous: polar bears, monsters, kidnappers AND killers (Ben told Pryce to kill everyone in order to kidnap pregnant women... And even not pregnant) so I'll take my risk with the strangers on helicopter.


Ps: sorry for my english, it's not my maternal language :hide:

Thinking the way they are thinking. I would choose Jack over Locke too. Meaning that I would have ended up making the wrong choice. However, I'm not a background type of person. So I would have my eyes and ears open with a way to get as many of the leaveaways (Just made that up now, LOL) away should things go horribly wrong.

I'd follow Locke. The barracks have electricity and shelter from the rain. After living on the island for so long my hope of rescue would probably be gone and I'd be more concerned about just living on it. Plus from the losties perspective, Locke is the only person who has managed to be on good terms with the others.

I'd go with Locke. The guy is tuned into the island so know's what's going on.
Plus it's a free holiday on a tropical island and of course Claire would need comforting after the demise of Charlie lol :)

I would go with Locke anyday. If you go with Locke you wont be any worse off, in fact you'll be living in the barracks which means at the worst you'll be living better. If you go with Jack there is a risk of death.

I think you've got a much greater chance of dying on Team Locke. Locke has proven time and again what he is willing to do to retain good standing in the island's eyes, and how many of the Losties are now dead from being on the island: Boone, Shannon, Libby, Ana-Lucia, Mr. Echo, and now Charlie? I'll take my chances with Jack, Sayid, Desmond, Kate, Rose, Bernard and company.

Team Jack .I think that with Jack I'd have a better chance of survival than with Locke, who pretty much only looks out for himself and is willing to sacrifice people if he needs to. And throw knives into the backs of women. Besides that, I don't care who those people are, they have a chopper and a boat and this Island is way too creepy to stay any longer than necessary.

Ya'll have good points,
but I'd still follow Locke.

Just think how exciting Book Club is going to be now!

I'm going with Locke... I've always preferred Locke to Jack - and I think he is more aware of everything that's going on.. whereas Jack has one focus.. get off the island.. he's not looking at the "big picture."

personally id go with locke as i think he can look after you and keep you fed if needs be.

but it appears that whoever you go with you have a chance of leaving the island

hurley went with locke and is off the island (who knows if he stopped with locke tho)

and jack got off the island aswell

either way if you get off you want to go back lol

Ya'll have good points,
but I'd still follow Locke.

Just think how exciting Book Club is going to be now!

Haha, yeah. :D Ben, Danielle, Sawyer, Alex, Locke, Claire, Sun, Jin...I'd love to see them try and have a civilized discussion about books.

Sun, Jin...

Did they go with Locke?

If I'm "Joe Survivor" and haven't been around for a lot, I'd have to say Locke.
Here's this guy who seems to know about hunting, feeds us Boar, disappears for a while but when he comes back, warns us about a traitor that Jack brought back and then gives the "everything I've done, I've done for you" speech, I'd still say Locke.
Especially after I saw Locke kill someone with a knife then say, "I was saving you." and see Jack knock him down and shoot a gun in his face while he's defenseless.
I'd think Jack was the one that lost it.

After watching the show I would choose Locke purely because I am a spiritual person and the things i've seen.

However i wouldn't have that luxury if i was on the Island so i would obviously choose Jack as he has been seen to the group as sane, and personally I probably would be so desperate to get off the island i'd jump at any chance; even if it's 'scary'

Especially after I saw Locke kill someone with a knife then say, "I was saving you." and see Jack knock him down and shoot a gun in his face while he's defenseless. I'd think Jack was the one that lost it.

Well Jack did say that he was going to kill Locke if he saw him again lol and he usually follows through with his promises. Jack wanting to kill Locke wasn't very surprising since Jack had already made that proclamation. With Locke, you never know what he's going to do, which is essentially why Locke is 100 times more dangerous than Jack.

Did they go with Locke?

I actually don't remember.

It would all depend on what I was going back to. If I was a noted spinal surgeon I'd certainly go back, if I was a con-man or fugitive I think I would want to stay. In my particular case, I'd go with John just to see how well Ben suffers before he gets offed...

Oldwiz

Oldwiz,
I think this is a very valid point! From what we've seen, Jack's one of the very few who really has something to go back to.

Sawyer doesn't
Hurley believes his luck's changed but, at the same time (in that moment), thinks that Charlie's telling him not to get on the freighter.
Claire doesn't and she believes the same thing as Hurley.
Rose is afraid of cancer but Locke even more. Bernard now doesn't care as long as he has Rose.
Kate dang sure doesn't unless she's looking forward to more life on the run or prison. (I so don't understand her question to Jack and the happy look on her face but that's for another thread.)
Sayid does because he's on a quest to find Nadia.
Des has Penny to get back to but now knows that the boat wasn't commissioned by her and I think is confused about what to do next.
Juliet, presumably, has her sister to go back to.
Sun & Jin fell like it would be better to take their chances with Paik's henchman so that Sun might have a chance to live and I can't say that I blame them.

All of these things have to be taken into consideration. If it was li'l ol' me and the life I have now and I'm going from POV of most of the inhabitants, I would probably stay with Jack since you can bet no one really explained what "Not Penny's Boat" meant. :frown:

"Neither. I'm going to the Temple with the rest of the Others."

-- I'm with that idea.

That's beginning to sound more and more like the better idea now that most of the "soldiers of Ben" are dead. (But, then again, as inhabitants we don't know about all of that.)

:biggrin: According to the last mobisode Vincent is working for Christian Shephard, so he's probably at Jacob's cabin, laying down next to the rocking chair.