The other patient at the mental hospital told Hurley that Charlie was staring at him. Any thoughts on this? :shrug:

:confused:

That puzzled me a lot. Did he really see the same guy? Perhaps Hurley saw the same guy this other crazy dude was talking about, but he could only see him as Charlie?
So he was having an impossible and crazy conversation with a stranger, pretending he was Charlie.

That puzzled me a lot. Did he really see the same guy? Perhaps Hurley saw the same guy this other crazy dude was talking about, but he could only see him as Charlie?
So he was having an impossible and crazy conversation with a stranger, pretending he was Charlie.

That was a strange scene. The only comparison I can think of is Jacob (or Cerberus) using "familiars" on the Island (such as CS, Yemi, Dave, etc) to communicate with certain individuals. Is it possible that was happening in the outside world? Is Matthew Abaddon "Charlie"?

i gotta agree with rabidranger on this one, it wasnt actually charlie perse but an apparition of the island. it made itself visible to the other whackjob so he could get charlies attention.

oooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

charlie really wasnt there, but just Hurley wrestling with his conscious and charlie playing the voice of reason

My brain still can't grasp this scene....
When the mental patient said something about, that guys staring at you, be careful.
I thought it was going to be Mathew Abaddon again.

I wonder what ever happened to Leonard Simms (crazy guy that kept repaeting the numbers). I thought after the connect four game spilled, we were gonna see him.

I think the same principles are at work here as in the Christian/Vincent mobisode. Other people (or dogs) can see the apparition.
Yet Charlie disappeared when Hurley counted to five (shoutout to Jack's method) and closed his eyes.
Charlie is a ghost? He told him he was dead.
Either way, he looks like a rockstar.

I had thought that Hurley had imagined the other patient too.

I think that maybe the show is alluding to animals and people that society deems crazy are actually in tune with some metaphysical things that most folks aren't. I believe that Charlie really was there... in some way...

The slap seemed real just like when Dave hit Hurley with the coconut.

What a great episode!

Whats to say that Hurley was imagining the mental patient also. This is what i told my self when i watched this scene.

I think that maybe the show is alluding to animals and people that society deems crazy are actually in tune with some metaphysical things that most folks aren't. I believe that Charlie really was there... in some way...

The slap seemed real just like when Dave hit Hurley with the coconut.

What a great episode!

I had that thought as well. One of the ways the The Joker was written is that his behavior is actually driven, not by sanity, but by "super sanity." That could be a theme visited in Lost. Characters that seem "crazy" are actually operating on a higher plane that can;t be reconciled in "real" world terms.

Whats to say that Hurley was imagining the mental patient also. This is what i told my self when i watched this scene.

Touche!!

Didn't think of that one...

I think that maybe the show is alluding to animals and people that society deems crazy are actually in tune with some metaphysical things that most folks aren't. I believe that Charlie really was there... in some way...

The slap seemed real just like when Dave hit Hurley with the coconut.

What a great episode!

I like this idea, though I guess the scene could also work with Hurley's conscience being embodied in an imaginary Charlie, though he'd have to have imagined the other patient too I suppose. But if he were just imagining Charlie, I'd think Charlie would've had the same old hair style he had when Hurley last saw him.

Not only did Charlie have different clothes and haircut, but he had no scars. Hurley could not have conjured him up or he would have looked like Hurley remembered him and he didn't.

But if he were just imagining Charlie, I'd think Charlie would've had the same old hair style he had when Hurley last saw him.True, but when Boone visited Locke in his dream he had much longer hair than when Locke knew him, so who knows what the rules are? :shrug:

Whats to say that Hurley was imagining the mental patient also. This is what i told my self when i watched this scene.

Why would he imagine someone else telling him about charlie watching him? i know it sounds a silly question but hes not THAT mad. is he?

We'll have to pay attention to Hurley's time in the mental hospital from here on out to see if that other mental patient is real. If he is, and he did see Charlie, then that would almost definitely mean Charlie was still alive.

It's interesting that we don't clearly see the face of the patient who tells Hurley that someone is staring at him. Is this a sign that the patient is a figment of the imagination? We clearly see the face of the patient who is watching Hurley play Connect Four. The camera even does a close up of his face. The 'someone's staring at you' patient has his face turned down from the camera in the two shots we see him. Then, in the wide shot when Hurley and Charlie are talking, that patient is nowhere to be seen in the background.

It's interesting that we don't clearly see the face of the patient who tells Hurley that someone is staring at him. Is this a sign that the patient is a figment of the imagination? We clearly see the face of the patient who is watching Hurley play Connect Four. The camera even does a close up of his face. The 'someone's staring at you' patient has his face turned down from the camera in the two shots we see him. Then, in the wide shot when Hurley and Charlie are talking, that patient is nowhere to be seen in the background.


Hmm...interesting idea. I wonder if anyone has a screenshot of the patient.

The first thing I thought of was the show QUANTUM LEAP.

If any of you remember it, Sam could be seen in his normal form by either retarded people, children or pets sometimes. It all mattered on their "brain waves" or something like that.
I'm wondering if something was really there and the patient had the same brain waves as Hugo.

My personal take on this is that Charlie was, in fact, real and alive. There were two flight 815s and this is solved by Jorge falling into the Ho-Hos (815-815) at the convenience store.

If that's not the case, then I believe that Jorge's character is hallucinating many of his interactions at the hospital including both the patient and Charlie. Remember that Charlie in the water was a confirmed hallucination.

Would it really surprise anyone that Charlie is distorted- cleaned up and scarless- if it was a hallucination?

Revisiting the Dave episode will make Hurley's known hallucinations pretty clear.

Remember, of course, that Hurley experienced the numbers via a person at the mental institution, so the show has used this vehicle in the past to communicate secrets.

So if it does turn out Hurley is hallucinating...........then Jack visiting him was a hallucination, right? Or even the Dharma dude. And Hurley tells Jack he wished he didn't side with Locke, then how is it Hurley is off the island? Turns out Hurley may be more important than I originally thought. Gotta keep an eye on his fb/ff.

Oh Lord, please please PLEASE don't tell me the whole show is in Hurley's head...

If you look over Charlie's left shoulder, there is a man standing back there with a camera. Could he be the guy the mental paitent is talking about and Hurley really is imaging Charlie?

Oh Lord, please please PLEASE don't tell me the whole show is in Hurley's head...

No I really don't think so. One show already did that (St. Elsewhere) and got a lot of crap for it. You figured we would have figured it out before since the hospital was spelled differently than the actual title of the show.

I am also curious about the identity of the other patient. At the beginning of the scene there is a wide shot showing patients in the background, Hurley at the table, and on the left the patient in question walking toward Hurley. I found his voice to be familiar. It reminded me of the new guy from the freighter. Does anyone have a screencap of this scene in which the other patient's face can be magnified?

I'm not too sure about the theory that BOTH the patient and Charlie are imaginary. That seems a little bit too rational. From the writers point of view, having someone else see Charlie (which we assume he has) makes the audience know that this apparition, or whatever Charlie is, is not simply something created by Hurley's brain.

Oh Lord, please please PLEASE don't tell me the whole show is in Hurley's head...

I've had those thoughts myself after the last show. Maybe it all does come back to the numbers, Hurley's winning the lottery and consequent bad luck. I have to say, I'd prefer a dream over all the time travel/portal/ghost/island-is-in-the north-pole stuff. The writers have said that the show is mainly about the characters and their relationships on and off the island, past and present (and I suppose future now). A dream would be more in keeping.

As for the Charlie scene, I think all that WAS Hurley hallucinating but something tangible is causing them. Maybe we'll see a future scene of him drinking some of that special lemonade. ;)

The guy Hurley plays Connect Four with and the guy who tells him to "watch your back, someone's watching you" are the same man. How he sees Charlie too is a total mystery to me, unless he is an hallucination, too, but some of you guys have talked me out of that one; like one poster said, it's too rational, and it's been done (Dave). If Charlie's 'real' in some time frame or anohter, maybe the other patient ha some kind of power to see what isn't there. Or Charlie's 'here', as in, yes I died, but in the parallel universe I'm still alive. But the big thing I noticed was when Hurley counted to five and opened his eyes, Charlie wasn't there, but at a picnic table behind him was (the back of) a woman with a long blond braid: Claire, Juliet, or Libby, anyone?

The guy Hurley plays Connect Four with and the guy who tells him to "watch your back, someone's watching you" are the same man. How he sees Charlie too is a total mystery to me, unless he is an hallucination, too, but some of you guys have talked me out of that one; like one poster said, it's too rational, and it's been done (Dave). If Charlie's 'real' in some time frame or anohter, maybe the other patient ha some kind of power to see what isn't there. Or Charlie's 'here', as in, yes I died, but in the parallel universe I'm still alive. But the big thing I noticed was when Hurley counted to five and opened his eyes, Charlie wasn't there, but at a picnic table behind him was (the back of) a woman with a long blond braid: Claire, Juliet, or Libby, anyone?

I think the fact that it's already been done just adds credence to the idea of doing it again. Hurley has a history of mental illness and hallucination, so it becomes more likely it would happen again.

I found it somewhat significant that, while Hurley was freaked out by seeing Charlie enough to run and start a police chase, he counted to five when Charlie confronted him outside the mental hospital. He was afraid of Charlie, or the sight of him, and his counting to five reminded me a lot of Jack in season 1 counting to five to get rid of his fear.

The 'Connect Four' patient is most certainly *not* the same patient that tells Hurley that someone is staring at him. The camera does a close up of the 'Connect Four' patient. We clearly see his face and notice that he has a beard. We never get to clearly see the face of the 'staring at you' patient, but it is clear that he does not have a beard and therefore cannot be the 'Connect Four' patient.

I thought it was a nurse who told Hurley about the lawyer guy, not another patient.

The guy Hurley plays Connect Four with and the guy who tells him to "watch your back, someone's watching you" are the same man. How he sees Charlie too is a total mystery to me, unless he is an hallucination, too, but some of you guys have talked me out of that one; like one poster said, it's too rational, and it's been done (Dave). If Charlie's 'real' in some time frame or anohter, maybe the other patient ha some kind of power to see what isn't there. Or Charlie's 'here', as in, yes I died, but in the parallel universe I'm still alive. But the big thing I noticed was when Hurley counted to five and opened his eyes, Charlie wasn't there, but at a picnic table behind him was (the back of) a woman with a long blond braid: Claire, Juliet, or Libby, anyone?

I mentioned the blonde woman in another post (can't remember which one now). When Hurley turns his head as if looking to see if Charlie is still there, the camera pauses for about 3 seconds with the blonde woman clearly in our view. Her ponytail/braid is so similar to Juliet's. At first I didn't think much of it but then my hubby and son said they thought it looked like Juliet, too, and they never get details like that. lol! It's probably just a coincidence but you never know on LOST. ;)

I find most of the time when people freezeframe and blow up pictures of extras they turn out to be nothing more than extras. A real clue like that would be more obvious to the casual viewer. One time fans spent days analyzing the image of a woman peeking through a door in a promo pic only to discover she was just a script coordinator that accidently stepped into the shot.

I haven't seen anyone bring up this possibility, but my belief is that the other patient was real, Charlie was a figment of Hurley's imagination, and the other patient didn't see Charlie.

Being that the other guy is a patient in a mental institution too, and it's certainly possible that he is capable of "seeing things", and I believe that he truly thought he saw someone watching Hurley. BUT, I don't think he saw Charlie. I agree with what mmpd said earlier, that Charlie represents Hurley's conscience. By saying "that guy's watching you", the other patient was feeding into Hurley's delusions/paranoia which have already been demonstrated to the audience, in the Dave episode and earlier in this episode. So Hurley believed the guy and envisioned Charlie just as he did in the convenience store and in the interrogation room.

For those of you that think Charie is real, then how do you explain what Hurley saw in the interrogation room? I assume it's obvious to all that in that situation, Hurley imagined Charlie and the water. So do you think sometimes Hurley imagines Charlie, but other times Charlie is really there? I hope that's not what the writers are intending - that would seem like cheating, almost.

The 'Connect Four' patient is most certainly *not* the same patient that tells Hurley that someone is staring at him. The camera does a close up of the 'Connect Four' patient. We clearly see his face and notice that he has a beard. We never get to clearly see the face of the 'staring at you' patient, but it is clear that he does not have a beard and therefore cannot be the 'Connect Four' patient.




Does anyone have a screen cap of the guy that told Hurley about Charlie being there? Because I just noticed this guy (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1364-846.html)in the scene with the basketball and Jack.... he leaves (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1364-848.html)as Jack comes in. Is it the same guy? Is he Hurley's new Dave?

To quote the wise Albus Dumbledore:

"Of course it's happening inside your head Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?"

I think a hallucination/imaginary Charlie and nothing more is a boring answer and one that they shouldn't even have bothered with (not to mention the fact that as has been said, it's been done before). I'd like to believe these are mysteries that point to a larger answer explaining much of the things we've seen in and around the island.

To quote the wise Albus Dumbledore:

"Of course it's happening inside your head Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?"

I think a hallucination/imaginary Charlie and nothing more is a boring answer and one that they shouldn't even have bothered with (not to mention the fact that as has been said, it's been done before). I'd like to believe these are mysteries that point to a larger answer explaining much of the things we've seen in and around the island.
LOL that's me, Mr. Boring, Man of Science, etc. etc.

My take is the reason the hallucination thing was done before was to set up the hallucination of Charlie. And that the major development in this episode wasn't that Charlie is reincarnated/time travelled/cloned/whatever explanation there may be - the major development was "They need you". The guilt over this statement and all that it implies has driven Hurley back to Santa Rosa.

LOL that's me, Mr. Boring, Man of Science, etc. etc.

My take is the reason the hallucination thing was done before was to set up the hallucination of Charlie. And that the major development in this episode wasn't that Charlie is reincarnated/time travelled/cloned/whatever explanation there may be - the major development was "They need you". The guilt over this statement and all that it implies has driven Hurley back to Santa Rosa.

I understand "They need you" is an important message, but if it's just something Hurley is making up, then it's not really a message from anybody. I would think that an outside messenger combined with Hurley's guilt would compel him to action. And the fact that they set this up with Dave should only mean that you are to assume Charlie is just another Dave for the purpose of revealing a twist. You assume he's imaginary, but this time he's not.

I still think my theory is more likely, but I will not be surprised at all if I am wrong about that. And I do hope for you sake, pacejunkie, that either way we get to see more of Charlie.

There's been plenty of examples of things that shouldn't, couldn't be there, but they were and they were certainly no hallucinations. Sawyer sees Kate's horse, Sayid sees Walt in the jungle with Shannon, Vincent is a dutiful puppy to Jack's dead father, etc. Maybe the Island/Jacob incarnated in Charlie didn't bother hiding from the other patient and becoming visible only to Hurley cause... it's a patient in a psych ward. Who cares if he sees a dead rock star?

There's been plenty of examples of things that shouldn't, couldn't be there, but they were and they were certainly no hallucinations. Sawyer sees Kate's horse, Sayid sees Walt in the jungle with Shannon, Vincent is a dutiful puppy to Jack's dead father, etc. Maybe the Island/Jacob incarnated in Charlie didn't bother hiding from the other patient and becoming visible only to Hurley cause... it's a patient in a psych ward. Who cares if he sees a dead rock star?
Part of the reasoning behind my thnking that Charlie isn't real is that I don't think the Island/Jacob is effective in causing these types of events off-island. But I could very well be wrong about that.

I thought the dead rock star looked pretty good! Better than when he was an alive rock star.

There's been plenty of examples of things that shouldn't, couldn't be there, but they were and they were certainly no hallucinations. Sawyer sees Kate's horse, Sayid sees Walt in the jungle with Shannon, Vincent is a dutiful puppy to Jack's dead father, etc.

Yeah exactly! We also have had many instances where people we thought were dead come back. It's like death isn't really perminent on the island (or those that have been there in Charlie's case).

Also rember how recently Hurely also saw that strange shack...that all disspeared and reappeared in his path. He used the counting thing to get rid of that too. But I think that was really 'there' though...b/c it looks a lot like that shack that we had Ben's creepy boss (or friend or whatever he was) in.

But, back to Charile...my theory is that he really was there with Hurely, but was what he said he was "dead but here". :poking:

i agree w/ the poster who said that charlie was a representation of the island. in the end, hurley says "IT wants us to go back. IT's doing everything it can." i think this "IT" is the island itself, and that he knows that the island is using charlie's image to try and get him to go back. this makes sense because the island really is trying to do everything it can - it appeared to hurly 3 times (convenience store, interrogation room, mental institute). i believe that the island will start haunting jack with similar images, which is why in this episode jack says "we're not going back" but in TTLG he's completely different.

now the question about how the other patient saw charlie. i think either

a. the island made itself visible to the patient as well or
b. the patient was referring to someone else (when they first show charlie, you can see another person in the distance looking in hurley's direction). when hurley looks, the island could have used that opportunity to confront hurley in a way which would not scare him.

Part of the reasoning behind my thnking that Charlie isn't real is that I don't think the Island/Jacob is effective in causing these types of events off-island. But I could very well be wrong about that.

I don't think so either, and I also think Hurley may believe Charlie is "the island" but he is mistaken. He would certainly never think of time travel but we've seen Desmond time travel off the island. I think time travel is involved.

Also rember how recently Hurely also saw that strange shack...that all disspeared and reappeared in his path. He used the counting thing to get rid of that too. But I think that was really 'there' though...b/c it looks a lot like that shack that we had Ben's creepy boss (or friend or whatever he was) in.

But, back to Charile...my theory is that he really was there with Hurely, but was what he said he was "dead but here". :poking:
This is another reason I assumed Hurley is imagining Charlie is there...he walked up to the real Jacob's cabin, and got scared away. And as he was walking away he imagined he saw it in a different location. He closed his eyes and it went away. Sure it could have been Jacob/the Island playing tricks on Hurley, and the cabin really did move there for a minute, but why? I think Hurley was hallucinating then, and I think those hallucinations continued through the day of rescue and on to the time we saw in his flash forwards.

And it doesn't matter what Charlie says...Dave kept telling Hurley he was real.

But, like others have said, maybe I'm a sucker for taking the bait the writers have given us, and somewhere down the road we'll find out that Charlie is really there, and we'll find out why and how that's possible, and I'll be blown away yet again!

This is another reason I assumed Hurley is imagining Charlie is there...he walked up to the real Jacob's cabin, and got scared away. And as he was walking away he imagined he saw it in a different location. He closed his eyes and it went away. Sure it could have been Jacob/the Island playing tricks on Hurley, and the cabin really did move there for a minute, but why? I think Hurley was hallucinating then, and I think those hallucinations continued through the day of rescue and on to the time we saw in his flash forwards.

And it doesn't matter what Charlie says...Dave kept telling Hurley he was real.

But, like others have said, maybe I'm a sucker for taking the bait the writers have given us, and somewhere down the road we'll find out that Charlie is really there, and we'll find out why and how that's possible, and I'll be blown away yet again!


Again how do you know he imagined the shack moving? If the time/space travel theory holds true the shack really did move. Remember in FI when Locke and Charlie were being chased by a polar bear that was there one minute, gone the next. In it's place was Hurley who never even heard it. Things are traveling all over the place. "Only fools are enslaved by time and space."

Again how do you know he imagined the shack moving? If the time/space travel theory holds true the shack really did move. Remember in FI when Locke and Charlie were being chased by a polar bear that was there one minute, gone the next. In it's place was Hurley who never even heard it. Things are traveling all over the place. "Only fools are enslaved by time and space."
Oh, I don't know he imagined it - that's just an assumption on my part. I should have qualified all of my posts with an IMHO. I suppose it's possible the shack moves, but I don't really know how that would happen, even if it is a time/space travelling thing (which in general is another concept I can't fully wrap my mind around - who makes up the rules of time/space travel?). So I guess that makes me a fool too :confused:

Oh, I don't know he imagined it - that's just an assumption on my part. I should have qualified all of my posts with an IMHO. I suppose it's possible the shack moves, but I don't really know how that would happen, even if it is a time/space travelling thing (which in general is another concept I can't fully wrap my mind around - who makes up the rules of time/space travel?). So I guess that makes me a fool too :confused:

Of course not, I'm not suggesting anything of the sort. :) I know it's an assumption you're making for the purposes of your own theory, but all I was saying was that if you use the shack to support your argument that Charlie is a hallucination too, that's circular logic because you assume they are both hallucinations when in fact they could both be evidence of time/space shifting. (IMHO ;) ).

I thought the dead rock star looked pretty good! Better than when he was an alive rock star.

Yes. I remember seeing an icon with Charlie trying to calm down Hurley and the text said: "Don't freak out, it's true. I really am hotter now that I'm dead" :lol2:

The other patient at the mental hospital told Hurley that Charlie was staring at him. Any thoughts on this? :shrug:

:confused:

Paranoia by proxy?

Glad this scene came up (as if it wouldn't!) because I wanted to say how much death becomes Charlie.... he's as hot as hell! :thud: lol.

and naughty, naughty, whoever it was; cut from the blonde with the braid ...to Claire wearing the same blue. :biggrin:

LOST is SO back.

Of course not, I'm not suggesting anything of the sort. :) I know it's an assumption you're making for the purposes of your own theory, but all I was saying was that if you use the shack to support your argument that Charlie is a hallucination too, that's circular logic because you assume they are both hallucinations when in fact they could both be evidence of time/space shifting. (IMHO ;) ).
See that's the thing, my mind's not.....adventurous enough, maybe....to fit any of the events on the screen into a time/space travel theory. I don't discount the possibility of those types of theories, and in a lot of ways I hope such a theory turns out to be true - it would certainly be more exciting. But as I watch the show, what comes to my mind are more .....mundane explanations. What was it that D&C said, something like all the events in the show have a valid scientific explanation? I'm probably misunderstanding and/or misquoting what they said, but I think I take that too literally at times.

See that's the thing, my mind's not.....adventurous enough, maybe....to fit any of the events on the screen into a time/space travel theory. I don't discount the possibility of those types of theories, and in a lot of ways I hope such a theory turns out to be true - it would certainly be more exciting. But as I watch the show, what comes to my mind are more .....mundane explanations. What was it that D&C said, something like all the events in the show have a valid scientific explanation? I'm probably misunderstanding and/or misquoting what they said, but I think I take that too literally at times.

I don't recall the exact quote either but it had something to do with everything being explained by science or pseudo-science, which includes science fiction. That means there is some theoretical scientific basis for everything, not that it is all possible. That's why alongside the time shifting theories we have evidence on the show of black holes, wormholes, lost time, the Casimir effect and other examples referencing space/time. There's your science. What they did say was that the show is not taking place in Hurley's head and that science as a basis would rule out the supernatural/paranormal explanation of which ghosts and hallucinations would be a part. Science actually supports time shifting and goes against those other more "mundane" explanations.

I don't recall the exact quote either but it had something to do with everything being explained by science or pseudo-science, which includes science fiction. That means there is some theoretical scientific basis for everything, not that it is all possible. That's why alongside the time shifting theories we have evidence on the show of black holes, wormholes, lost time, the Casimir effect and other examples referencing space/time. There's your science. What they did say was that the show is not taking place in Hurley's head and that science as a basis would rule out the supernatural/paranormal explanation of which ghosts and hallucinations would be a part. Science actually supports time shifting and goes against those other more "mundane" explanations.
To sort of bring this back on topic, I remember them saying the show doesn't take place in Hurley's head. But we know Dave took place in his head, and I think Charlie is taking place in his head (in the FF's). Now I just need that Dr. with the camera to prove it. Thanks for engaging in this debate with me, pacejunkie, and for giving me some other things to think about.

If you look over Charlie's left shoulder, there is a man standing back there with a camera. Could he be the guy the mental paitent is talking about and Hurley really is imaging Charlie?


That's exactly what I thought too. I think the patient was talking about that man behind charlie staring at Hurley.

That's exactly what I thought too. I think the patient was talking about that man behind charlie staring at Hurley.Which is very possible considering the man that visited Hurley seemed to want info from him, it's only logical to think he's being watched as well.

I'm leaning towards Charlie being more of a vision than a hallucination, but theres a very fine line between the two.

The blonde chick = creepy!

Does anyone have a screen cap of the guy that told Hurley about Charlie being there? Because I just noticed this guy (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1364-846.html)in the scene with the basketball and Jack.... he (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1364-848.html) leaves as Jack comes in. Is it the same guy? Is he Hurley's new Dave? ( I am not sure its the same guy, I've only watched the epi once so far, but he struck me when I saw him in the scene.)

I think the guy who pointed out Charlie had curly dark hair, with more on top. My memory could be wrong of course!

I think you mean this guy (http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vlcsnap431572lw2.jpg). No, I don't think its the same one as in the basketball court...

Yup, thats him Warne! Absolutely not the same guy. Thanks it was driving me crazy and I am at work and had no way to check it out!

Thanks it was driving me crazy and I am at work and had no way to check it out!

We've all been there. The week I read the TTLG spoilers, I took a wrong turn on my way home cause I was too consumed with LOST thoughts to remember where I was going. :biggrin:

I'm going to stick to Charlie as a manifestation of the Island and we know It chooses to reveal itself to more than one person (or person+dog) at a time.