What did ghost Charlie mean by they need you? Once again apparently there is a group of people left on the island....

What do they need Hurley? and why is he all of a sudden Hugo?

Not clear to me that it is the people left on the island that need him. I mean, we have no idea who is left on the island (if anyone). Not to be depressing, but theoretically, everyone else but the Oceanic 6 could have died.

When Hurley is in the police station and sees the vision of the Charlie-like character swimming towards the window, the character places his hand against the window and the worsts "They Need You" appear on his hand much like the "Not Penny's Boat" text on charlie's hand.

It's too early for me to find a screen shot, but my Tivo has verified it :)

Well, it would seem consistent with his other hallucinations through the ep. Hurley seems to be feeling guilty for leaving other people on the island while saving himself, kind of like a survivor's guilt.

Neat, I was wondering about that, thanks!

Thank you! I saw it too --- no one I was with believed me! :)

Nice find!
Screenie for you...
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/391/needem5.jpg

Here are my thoughts on this:

At the start of S2 Locke tells Jack that the island/fate/destiny chose them. From the very beginning I have believed this to be true -- the island chose all the losties specifically for the skills they possessed in order to act as a guardianship army to protect the island. Since the others can't reproduce, new blood needs to be brought in every so often.

So when the Oceanic 6 leave, the island is weakened by the loss of leadership, by the loss of the warriors who made up the intricate army.

It's the subject of this weeks video podcast on the lost page at ABC....

I think the "they" in "they need you" may be referring to Claire and Aaron. Charlie is wanting Hurley to look after them and take care of them.

That's awesome

the word CREEPY comes to mind. I would definately think that a vision of charlie swimming towards him, with THEY NEED YOU onhis hand indicates the ones left behind, as though the island was reaching out to him on behalf of its inhabitants.

I wonder if future flash forwards will reveal hallucinations for Jack

I think the "they" in "they need you" may be referring to Claire and Aaron. Charlie is wanting Hurley to look after them and take care of them.

Personally I think Claire and Aaron are part of the 6 because of Desmond's vision seeing them getting on a rescue helicopter. After all, that's why Charlie sacrificed his life.

The really interesting question is, who are "they"? And "they are mentioned often enough in this episode.
The Charlie-like vision in the interrogation room had it written on his hand, and the Charlie apparition tells Hurley "They need you" right before he vanishes.
Those two times I might believe it meant Claire and Aaron.
But Lance Reddick (forgot his character's name, the man who visits Hurley at the institution and offers him to upgrade him to another hospital) also asks "Are they still alive?"
Somehow, I get the feeling that they're all meaning the same "they". And I think it either means all the other Losties/survivors who aren't part of the O6 and were left on the island, or it means the gus who parachuted onto the island at the end of last night's episode. All right, the latter might only be the case for the "they" LR's character is asking for, I doubt that Charlie would be concerned about the people from Not Penny's Boat.
But there were a lot of "theys" in that episode. Makes one think.

Great catch but this is annoying me. I get the astral projection of walt and others on the Island but how does this happen off the Island? Besides even if it is just an hallucination Hurly was never down in The Looking Glass so how could he recreate the image?

I think it's a good indication that the rest of the group is still alive. All or most anyway.
I'm dying to know why Hurley apologized to Jack for going with Locke though. With all of Locke's mystic juju, you'd think going with him would be the wiser choice, especially since it seems the island needs them back.

I'm dying to know why Hurley apologized to Jack for going with Locke though. With all of Locke's mystic juju, you'd think going with him would be the wiser choice, especially since it seems the island needs them back.
I'm curious about that, as well. Clearly, Hurley sees it as a mistake that he went with Locke. Maybe he thinks that if he had only gone with Jack, things would have gone differently. Maybe it even goes as far that he thinks if he hadn't gone with Locke, there'd never been Oceanic6 and it would have worked out better for everybody.
Remember, Hurley was the one who thought the plane crashed because of him and the curse. I wouldn't put it past him to think that the whole situation at the time of the FF was solely to blame on his decision, as well.

My first thought was that he was talking about the people left on the island. And I think "Charlie" called him Hugo because it was either in Hurley's mind like Dave, or it was the island. Which would make sense because at the end, Hurley said to Jack "IT wants us to go back", meaning the island I guess.

great catch nofaith, i totally missed that. must've been the one time i blinked the entire hour!
hurley has some connection with jacob, and jacob is exploiting hurley & charlies relationship and is calling him back through visions of charlie

I'm curious about that, as well. Clearly, Hurley sees it as a mistake that he went with Locke. Maybe he thinks that if he had only gone with Jack, things would have gone differently. Maybe it even goes as far that he thinks if he hadn't gone with Locke, there'd never been Oceanic6 and it would have worked out better for everybody.
Remember, Hurley was the one who thought the plane crashed because of him and the curse. I wouldn't put it past him to think that the whole situation at the time of the FF was solely to blame on his decision, as well.

His or their decision, didn't he say 'We weren't supposed to go'? I think the apology to Jack is what I'm most confused about right now.
It really seems like it's been set up that going with Jack was the wrong choice.

I've been away from the boards for a while I'm so glad to be back because of things like this. I would have never known about the writing on Charlie's hand. I've missed LOST I'm SO HAPPY it is back.

Also wasn't "They need you" what Charlie kept saying to Hurley as he was counting to 5 to make him disappear?

It's good to be back.

His or their decision, didn't he say 'We weren't supposed to go'? I think the apology to Jack is what I'm most confused about right now.
It really seems like it's been set up that going with Jack was the wrong choice.
I think he apologized for his decision to go with Locke in the first place. But now that you say it, it seems that yes, for him leaving the island together with Jack was also the wrong choice.
But maybe for Hurley those things are connected. We still don't know what happens in between Hurley chosing Locke and the O6 leaving the island. Maybe Hurley truly thinks that his decision to go with Locke set a chain of bad events in motion that culminated in them leaving the island even though they weren't supposed to.

Welcome back!
Yeah, Charlie did say that.

GREAT CATCH! This goes well with my idea that there is somebody/something else causing these hallucinations. It might not be just guilty feeling.
Whatever it is, it is related to Mathew Abbadon. HE was Charlie at the mental institute.

Very creepy, very cool, very well spotted. :cool:

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"It." Good point. So either Hurley's mind knows the island does things on its own, and his hallucinations are his subconscious pushing him to do what he thinks is right and is afraid to do, or the island itself can project a little farther than we thought.

Very creepy, very cool, very well spotted. :cool:

ETA: Happy BD Fierro!!!
thank you, Richard!!!

Two things. Does anyone think that Michael and Walt got off the island, and if so, would they be counted as part of the "Oceanic 6". That would give names to 5 of the 6. Jack, Kate, Hurley, Michael, Walt, and ? (person in the coffin).

Also, in last season ending FF, Jack sounds like he's clearly having the same hallucinations/visions/encounters that Hurley is having with Charlie. Only with Jack, it's his father. That would be the simplest answer to Jack's freakout in the hospital. He must of had an (another) encounter with Christian upstairs. He can't escape the encounters, nor get back to the island...so he decides to take his life on the bridge. I'm guessing that Kate is having them as well, but she's really good at suppressing those kinds of things. And, whoever is in the coffin, probably killed themselves as well, to escape the island telling them to come back.

Charlei coming back to be Hurley's voice of reason is SUPREME casting- and the line Hurley delivered "did you know you were going to die when you went out there? why didn't you tell me" was the epitome of their relationship. I was ECSTATIC during this scene. Go Charlie- lead Hurley back to the island where Claire and Aaron need him!

I don't think "They" is specific to Claire and Arron, but a more general "They" meaning the Losties in general.

Charlei coming back to be Hurley's voice of reason is SUPREME casting- and the line Hurley delivered "did you know you were going to die when you went out there? why didn't you tell me" was the epitome of their relationship. I was ECSTATIC during this scene. Go Charlie- lead Hurley back to the island where Claire and Aaron need him!

That was a great scene and really did capture the relationship between Hurley and Charlie.

Here are my thoughts on this:

At the start of S2 Locke tells Jack that the island/fate/destiny chose them. From the very beginning I have believed this to be true -- the island chose all the losties specifically for the skills they possessed in order to act as a guardianship army to protect the island. Since the others can't reproduce, new blood needs to be brought in every so often.

So when the Oceanic 6 leave, the island is weakened by the loss of leadership, by the loss of the warriors who made up the intricate army.

I agree completely with you on this one. I further more believe that sometime during the season (probably the finale) that the 6 will return to the Island, thus the advertising title "The Return."

ooops i started another thread for this cuz my search skillz are apparently not that good and i completely missed this thread. (thanks for pointing this one out, starrox :biggrin: )

anyways, great catch!

Abbadon's sudden question, "They're still alive, aren't they?" is a common interrogation/interview trick to catch the subject off guard and get a yes/no answer to something they're hiding by their sudden reaction. I've used the trick & had it used on me in the past (in _interviews_... not interrogations...) This suggests that Abbadon doesn't actually _know_ the answer, and that his offer to Hurley was really an attempt to spirit Hurley off to someplace where he could be interrogated more privately.

Hurley's denial of knowing Ana Lucia, as well as his conversation with Jack about "telling," along with Jack's plea to Kate in the S3 finale, "I'm tired of lying," along with Abbadon's not-so-subtle interrogation tactic, suggests that Our Heroes are hiding some big lie. Abbadon's interrogation question, along with the Charlie apparitions' "They need you," sugests that the lie may have included abandoning their fellow 815'ers back on the island. Both Naomi _and_ Cooper's comments about flight 815 having been found and everybody dead suggests that there's a _huge_ conspiracy and cover-up going on, and that Our Heroes have been persuaded to cooperate in it.

I think the "They Need You" is part of the Island's calling Hurley back to help those they've abandoned. Hurley's screaming comment as Jack left echoed the S3 finale scene of Jack screaming to Kate about having to go back. Hurley added something interesting. He said " IT (not he) wants us to go back."

The island is calling.

What did ghost Charlie mean by they need you? Once again apparently there is a group of people left on the island....

What do they need Hurley? and why is he all of a sudden Hugo?

I'm not entirely sure what is going on with the names, but there certainly is something interesting going on with names, in ttlg tom refers to Sayid and Jin by there last names but called Bernard the dentist, it also happens when Alex is telling Carl that he has to help the losties, "Austen and Ford saved you life" There are also several other times it happens I think one time Picket or someone similar refered to Jack as the doctor but continued to call Sawyer, Ford,I've never been able to figure it out, I'm not suggesting it's part of the bigger mystery I just find it interesting. Mark my words there will be some explanation as to why it happens.

Yes caf...there has been a shift in the names...I wonder if it will have to do with them taking on new identities.