OK, at the hospital Charlie called him Hugo. Charlie never called Hurley Hugo. Only Hurley. As far as I can recall Locke is the only one who ever calls Hurley Hugo....am I right or wrong?

Do you think Charlie is really Locke, who is now in control of the island and smokie....?

I think that's a significant clue. It's a standard sci-fi ploy to expose a "fake" who has taken on the appearance of another (an alien pretending to be a human, a clone, etc). The "fake" has most of the details right, down to the voice, appearance, etc, but misses a crucial detail, such as a nickname or something similar.

Or, as you suggest, someone else that would refer to Hurley as "Hugo" is pulling the strings here. Locke would be one such individual.

My impression was that Charlie was a manifestation of the island trying to draw them all back. That seemed to be what Hurley was saying at the end when it told Jack that it wants them to go back. My guess is all of the O6 are being haunted by various absent friends and that's whats causing them all to become unhinged.

Yeah, it kind of creeped me out, especially as it followed a scene where Locke called him Hugo. It just wasn't right.

I'm just not sure if anybody else ever called him Hugo...maybe Libby.

Yeah that seemed to indicate to me that Charlie was likely smokey playing dress-up

OK, at the hospital Charlie called him Hugo. Charlie never called Hurley Hugo. Only Hurley. As far as I can recall Locke is the only one who ever calls Hurley Hugo....am I right or wrong?

Do you think Charlie is really Locke, who is now in control of the island and smokie....?

I don’t. I think that when you are trying to have a candid conversation with people can, and do, convert to using proper names and not nicknames. I didn’t find it out of place. It’s merely saying, “let’s be serious here”. Even Sawyer called him Hugo when he let him know he couldn’t come help rescue the three left on the beach. He said “Look at yourself Hugo”, no insults, no nickname. It got his point across with a deeper meaning.

Didn't someone else on the island call him Hugo tonight? I can't remember who it was now.

crazy idea....
Could Charlie have been actually Matthew Abbadon????????????????

I was wondering if maybe the island wanted Hurley back--specifically him. He was able to find the cabin, see Jacob, the cabin seemed to follow him, but urley was able to make it disappear. I was wondering if maybe Jacob or the island is calling to Hurley for help, the same way it called to Locke for help.

Jack did everything in his power to try to get back to island in the last epi of season 3, but the island didn't seem to want him.

Didn't someone else on the island call him Hugo tonight? I can't remember who it was now.

yes, sawyer did in the jungle when he was trying to be comforting, which i felt was a kinda lowkey high point for Sawyer, actually trying to be a friend.

As far as i knew, only Locke, Sawyer, and the others know his real name.


mentioned in another thread, i speculated that charlie was actually Hugos own conscious or voice of reason, and the whole thing was a visual hallucination, and the fact another patient pointed him out was as well hallucination.

My impression was that Charlie was a manifestation of the island trying to draw them all back. That seemed to be what Hurley was saying at the end when it told Jack that it wants them to go back. My guess is all of the O6 are being haunted by various absent friends and that's whats causing them all to become unhinged.

Very possible. That would keep some dearly departed characters in the fold for awhile.

It all depends on how you want to view Charlie's presence in Hurley's off-island life.

Hurley seems to experience vivid visual hallucinations in the form of his own guilt (Dave encouraged him to eat in the wake of the porch collapse for which he felt responsible). He was released from the nuthouse and didn't seem to be on meds once he made peace with his past, hence, no more guilt=hallucinations stopped. Didn't he ask Sawyer for Clonazepam after he saw Dave on the island?

Now that he's off-island and feeling guilty again, it doesn't surprise me he is "seeing" Charlie, his good friend he feels dies for nothing.

If Charlie's presence is merely a reflection of Hurley's overpowering guilt, Charlie's use of the name Hugo may only indicate the serious tone of how guilty Hurley actually feels.

Of course, this doesn't explain why a fellow patient saw Charlie, but that's another thread altogether.

Yeah, thanks, Sawyer called him Hugo too.

I'm hanging tough that it was not the real Charlie there with him at the hospital, but it was not all in Hurley's head either. It was something using Charlie--Hurley's best friend, to get to him. Only they messed up, just a little:biggrin:

It reminded me of EHH, when Johnny called him both Hurley and Hugo at different points during the FB. It really bugged me back then too, switching between the two names.

If its someone/thing that just can't quite do a convincing job being Charlie, I would expect to hear "Dude, you're not Charlie. Charlie would never call me Hugo."

I especially enjoyed Charlies updated wardrobe. In all the other "visitations" by smokey, if I recall, the person being used by the island was in the attire last seen with the person. IE, Jacks Dad in a suit in the coffin, the priest, etc etc.

I especially enjoyed Charlies updated wardrobe. In all the other "visitations" by smokey, if I recall, the person being used by the island was in the attire last seen with the person. IE, Jacks Dad in a suit in the coffin, the priest, etc etc.

Consider that if this 'visiting Charlie' was really a product of Hurley's imagination, then wouldn't it stand to reason that Charlie would appear as Hurley remembered him? This Charlie did not dress, speak or act like the Charlie Hurley knew.

Yes, I noticed that too. He was far too serious to be Charlie. Charlie would be goofing around and singing his Drive Shaft songs and be dressed the way he had died. This is more of Charlie's 'future rock star image' if he was still alive? Clean, cute image I should say.

I did cry a bit when he showed up.. lol and laughed when Charlie was telling him not to freak out and run away again (but by the calmness of him..) he really did remind me of Locke. Locke appeared calm most of the time and did call him by his real name, Hugo. ( Same with Ben..)

So, really.. I think this could be a mirror image of Locke, or (the island) calling him back.


The island will just haunt him and the others the rest of their life if they don't go back.. I think.

i'm pretty sure Charlie called Hurley Hugo at least one time before. I can't remember when though.

i'm pretty sure Charlie called Hurley Hugo at least one time before. I can't remember when though.It didn't come up on a transcript search (http://losthatch.com/transcripts.aspx). I thought he had too.

Hurley's manifestation of Charlie is the same as Jack with Kate's. Kate is not one of the six that makes it off.

Hurley's manifestation of Charlie is the same as Jack with Kate's. Kate is not one of the six that makes it off.

I don't think so but thanks for playing. Can't call a ghost on a cell phone.

Hurley's manifestation of Charlie is the same as Jack with Kate's. Kate is not one of the six that makes it off.

Huh? Did I miss something?

In another thread, Pace states tha Chrlie looked fantastic.:cool: He had no scars on his face and he was wearing different clothing then when he died. Every other time someone who died on island appears, they are wearing the clothing they died in.

The island or Locke could come close but could not make the Charlie image exactly as he appeared in death. RabidRanger is right, there is always a tip off...but this time so much is a tip off to the true identity of this person.

I like the theory that Charlie is time traveling too though.:biggrin:

I don't think so but thanks for playing. Can't call a ghost on a cell phone.

True. But ghosts CAN drive cars.

Seriously, this topic reminds me of the oddness of Tall Ghost Walt referring to Locke as "John." He had never called him that previously. It was always "Mr. Locke."

The line that stands out the most is "I am dead, but I'm also here." I think it goes beyond ghosts in some way, but there has to be some truth to the statement, which hopefully will be explained in the near future.

True. But ghosts CAN drive cars.

Seriously, this topic reminds me of the oddness of Tall Ghost Walt referring to Locke as "John." He had never called him that previously. It was always "Mr. Locke."

The line that stands out the most is "I am dead, but I'm also here." I think it goes beyond ghosts in some way, but there has to be some truth to the statement, which hopefully will be explained in the near future.

Nice catch. Perhaps Walt wasn't Walt and Charlie wasn't Charlie...but they were both sent by the same source.