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ISayPasadena
02-01-2008, 01:16 AM
Did anyone notice some thing on Charlie's shirt when he is talking to Hurley? It may be just a design but it kind looks like a bloodstain. You can see it when he first comes to talk to Hurley and towards the end of the conversation.

Electromagnetic Anomoly
02-01-2008, 02:29 AM
Just re-watched. doesn't look like blood. seems like part of the shirt.

Clochard
02-01-2008, 02:37 AM
Anyone have a s/c?

Sam G
02-01-2008, 03:59 AM
It's a raven or black bird

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=106078&fullsize=1

briar910
02-01-2008, 04:00 AM
Aren't ravens a symbol of death?

RodimusBen
02-01-2008, 04:05 AM
Yup... just some subtle "symbology" on the part of the wardrobe folks I guess.

Speaking of which, the cast photo of Hurley this season looks like he has a giant splatter on his chest-- just an awkward design on his tee, but sort of annoying.

PapaThor
02-01-2008, 06:13 AM
Aren't ravens a symbol of death?

In some cultures, not all.

thereisnospoon
02-01-2008, 08:07 AM
It's a raven or black bird

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=106078&fullsize=1

edited from wiki:

"The Raven" by Edgar Allan Poe tells of a talking raven's mysterious visit to a distraught lover, tracing the latter's slow descent into madness.

An unnamed narrator who sits reading "forgotten lore" as a method to forget the loss of his love, Lenore. Hearing a rapping at his chamber door and then window, he opens it - to have a raven fly in and perch on a bust of Pallas (Athena). Amused by the raven's comically serious disposition, the man demands that the bird tell him its name. The raven's only answer is "Nevermore." The narrator is surprised that the raven can talk, though it will not say anything further. He remarks that his "friend" the raven will soon fly out of his life, just as "other friends have flown before" along with his previous hopes. As if answering, the raven responds again with "Nevermore".

The narrator is convinced that this single word, possibly learned from a previous owner with bad luck, is all that the bird can say. Even so, the narrator pulls his chair directly in front of the raven, determined to learn more about it. He thinks for a moment, not saying anything, but his mind wanders back to his LOST Lenore. He thinks the air grows denser and feels the presence of angels. Confused by the association of the angels with the bird, the narrator becomes angry, calling the raven a "thing of evil" and a "prophet". As he yells at the raven it only responds, "Nevermore."

Finally, he asks the raven if he will be reunited with Lenore in heaven. When the raven responds with its typical "Nevermore", he shrieks and commands the raven to return to the "Plutonian shore", though it never moves. Presumably at the time of the poem's recitation by the narrator, the raven "still is sitting" on the bust of Pallas. The narrator's final admission is that his soul is trapped beneath the raven's shadow and shall be lifted "Nevermore".

The poem is set in December (it is Dec 22 on the island right now), a month when the forces of darkness are believed to be especially active. The use of the raven — the "devil bird" — also suggests this. This devil image is emphasized by the narrator's belief that the raven is "from the Night's Plutonian shore", or a messenger from the afterlife, referring to Pluto, the Roman god of the underworld.

Poe said the raven is meant to symbolize mournful and never-ending remembrance. In Norse mythology, Odin possessed two ravens representing thought and memory. The raven also gets a reputation as a bird of ill omen in the book of Genesis. According to Hebrew folklore, Noah sends a white raven to check conditions while on the ark. It learns that the floodwaters are beginning to dissipate, but it does not immediately return with the news. It is punished by being turned black and being forced to feed on carrion forever. In Ovid's Metamorphoses, a raven also begins as white before Apollo punishes it by turning it black for delivering a message of a lover's unfaithfulness.

Poe also mentions the Balm of Gilead, a reference to the Book of Jeremiah in the Bible: "Is there no balm in Gilead; is there no physician there? why then is not the health of the daughter of my people recovered?" (suggesting, perhaps, that the narrator needs to be healed after the loss of Lenore). He also refers to "Aidenn", another word for the Garden of Eden, though Poe uses it to ask if Lenore has been accepted into Heaven. At another point, the narrator imagines that seraphim (a type of angel) have entered the room. The narrator thinks they are trying to take his memories of Lenore away from him using nepenthe, a drug mentioned in Homer's Odyssey to induce forgetfulness.

Throughout the poem, Poe makes allusions to folklore and various classical works. Poe claimed to have written the poem very logically and methodically. His intention was to create a poem that would appeal to both critical and popular tastes. (Kind of like LOST, eh?)

ISayPasadena
02-01-2008, 08:12 AM
Yeah the raven seems more plausible. I never would have noticed it if it wasnt for my wife. I was too shocked that charlie was on screen.

jane_eire
02-01-2008, 12:00 PM
Brilliant work, thereisnospoon. Thank you!

Me
02-01-2008, 12:37 PM
In Celtic mythology Morrigan was the goddess of war who took the form of a crow to
usher the brave dead to the beyond.

Sam G
02-01-2008, 05:11 PM
Head to Part 2 (http://www.druidry.org/obod/lore/animal/raven.html) where a raven will cover many countries and peoples with myths and legends.