well, we know the ,locke /ben/ 'jakob' cabin was actually real, but is that what hurley saw?
Or was it a mirage?
Does Locke hurley or jakob have ability to 'show' or 'hide' this illusion when they wish?

Or was hurley just tripping out?

Or maybe hurley has a gift like locke...

Maybe that whole area is different. Everything within the ash is a wormhole or something like that.

I think the question isn't whether the cabin is real, but whether it is only visible to certain individuals under certain circumstances? There was a connection between Hurley's encounter with Jacob's cabin and his encounter with Charlie at the mental institution. Both seemed "real" enough (Charlie even slapped Hurley), but disappeared when Hurley focused.

I like the idea that Hugo, like Locke & Ben, is special...has a special ability to see something in the Island that few others can.

I definately think the cabin wanted Hurley--it "caught" him, let him see inside and refused to let him run from it....then Hurley, who is clearly special, made it disappear......I can't wait to see what happens with all of this!

I definately think the cabin wanted Hurley--it "caught" him, let him see inside and refused to let him run from it....then Hurley, who is clearly special, made it disappear......I can't wait to see what happens with all of this!

I like that theory. It could also be that the Jacob an the Cabin disappeared after Hurley walked away to stay hidden.

It did, didn't it? Or did it? I'm confused.

I know when Hurley concentrated it went away, but it looked like Jacob's cabin was in a different place (and even looked different) when Hurley tried to get away from it.

Going to look for screen caps...

i thought he ran far from it... then turned around and it was back again.
then he closed his eyes and it was gone.

maybe it's a mobile home.

i thought he ran far from it... then turned around and it was back again.
then he closed his eyes and it was gone.

maybe it's a mobile home.

Yep, it sure did move! Curiouser and curiouser!! Maybe the it can randomly appear anywhere inside that ash perimeter?

maybe it's a mobile home.

:biggrin: I guess Jacob hasn't gotten his EI check lately?

Well we we're watching it from Hurley's point of view. A person who has been in a mental institution and has had hallucinations. I think perhaps fear got the best of Hurley.

I was thinking that it was Hurley's hallucination, as well. However, Jack's dad was in the cabin. Why would Hurley see Jack's dad, as far as we know they have never met.

Well we we're watching it from Hurley's point of view. A person who has been in a mental institution and has had hallucinations. I think perhaps fear got the best of Hurley.

Mmm... something tells me that they aren't going to write this one off as "a Hurley hallucination". How can he have hallucinated something that WE'VE all seen, but that Hurley has no idea about? That isn't your average run of the mill hallucination.

How do we know that Hurley has never met Jack's dad?

Mmm... something tells me that they aren't going to write this one off as "a Hurley hallucination". How can he have hallucinated something that WE'VE all seen, but that Hurley has no idea about? That isn't your average run of the mill hallucination.

Good point. I totally forgot about that. Need to be more attentive. I'll blame that one on that Lost has finally came back and I'm still not over the fact it here.

Here are the caps, in order:

Hurley first comes across the cabin:
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-105882.html

Hurley runs away, then turns around and the cabin is behind him:
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-105969.html

Close up of the cabin that appears behind him:
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-105971.html


That's one scary mobile home.:eek2:

When the cabin appears behind Hurley (2nd screencap posted), it seems to be on flatter ground, not on the hilltop as it seemed in S3.

Creepy indeed.

I got the feeling that the cabin found Hurley...not the other way around. If this is true, then it could have "moved" from being seen by him again.

I got the feeling that the cabin found Hurley...not the other way around. If this is true, then it could have "moved" from being seen by him again.

Nice way to put it. :shesaid:

Plus, I think at this point we have to start attributing Hurley's visions to more than just garden-variety insanity. He obviously has a connection to the Island like many others.

Not so much that the cabin moved behind Hurley, but that Hurley couldn't run away from it because of the the protective circle around the cabin. If the circle is designed to keep something inside, maybe only certain people can get out again once they cross it? From what we've seen, Ben is one of those people. Maybe Locke, having been chosen by Jacob (indicated by Jacob speaking to Locke), has the same ability.

With that in mind, I think the scene played out like this: Hurley got lost in the dark, and crossed into the protective circle around the cabin. Hurley saw Jacob in the chair, and Locke's eye through the window. Hurley tried to run away, but couldn't get past the boundary around the cabin - hence the running, but not getting anywhere, and turning around to find the cabin behind him. Hurley panicked, closed his eyes, walked backwards, tripped, and while Hurley's eyes were closed, Locke did something to help Hurley get outside the boundary. Then Locke went back into the woods, to make it seem like he just came upon Hurley by coincidence.

Where the cabin went after that, I have no idea. Cloaking shield? Spell to hide from the uninitiated? Whatever happened, Hurley seems to have Jacob and Locke by surprise. I think they wanted him out of there in a hurry, and with no reason to remember where the cabin was located.

even the factt that hurley saw jacob was trippy

Hmm... when I think hard about it, I don't think I saw Hurley cross the white ash line to begin with? He would have recognized, as Locke did, by stepping in it or something but I think he pretty much just came upon the cabin. (Did I miss this?) So how can we know if the ash circle actually even does keep Jacob in? Despite it being a cool idea... but I think it was Jacob's eye that Hurley saw through the door, along with Jack's dad... (weird)... when Locke first saw Jacob there was a frame or two with a random eye as well. I don't quite know what to make of the moving cabin, it clearly does seem different though....

Also, important question - if the cabin doesn't move, or if it can move anywhere around 'the ash circle,' how close does that make the ash circle with Jacobs cabin inside it from the part of the jungle where the cockpit landed? Because my impression is that the two wouldn't be close at all, except it's hard to tell obv from the Pilot and tMBtC... but in this episode it seemed like once Locke let Hurley go, they appeared by the Cockpit rather soon. Which is good to know!

hurley was lost though...he wasnt looking at his feet.

I dont know if it might be a stretch to believe Hurley imagined something he's never seen. I think he did imagine the second one.

Seeing the cabin be in seemingly 2 different places made me think of the line Ben said last season, (paraphrasing), how you don't go to visit Jacob ... Jacob summons you.

Maybe Hurley was "summoned"

Seeing the cabin be in seemingly 2 different places made me think of the line Ben said last season, (paraphrasing), how you don't go to visit Jacob ... Jacob summons you.

Maybe Hurley was "summoned"

I completely agree. When I was watching and the cabin appeared again I literally said, out loud, "Hurley, don't run, Jacob wants to talk to you."

I think there is no imagination involved in any of this, but I think another part of this sequence points very strongly to Hurley having a certain control of the island and its forces - note how he wills the cabin away, and it goes away.

Much like he willed Charlie away, and he goes away.

I think Hurley, perhaps through his grief about Charlie, perhaps through his fear of being lost, is finding a strong (maybe even stronger that Locke's) connection to the island, and I think the island is noticing right back.

i thought he ran far from it... then turned around and it was back again.
then he closed his eyes and it was gone.

maybe it's a mobile home.

:rotflmao2: Pun intended?

Hi, all! Isn't it great to be back discussing a new episode of LOST?! Great thread here!

I just mentioned the whole appearing-disappearing-reappearing cabin thing in the "Loved It" thread, so I was glad to then see this thread here and you guys have covered all the salient points. I think Hurley definitely saw the cabin and did not hallucenate it, because it was definitely Jacob's cabin that we saw Ben take Locke to, one and the same, complete with creepy noises and everything. Plus--and I had not even gotten that the guy in the rocker was Christian Shepherd, that is why I love the 'lage *lol*--Hurley doesn't know Christian, so how could he have hallucenated him? So, I definitely think Hurley came upon Jacob's cabin...or Jacob's cabin came upon Hurley!

Then I think it is up for discussion as to whether Hurley, in his fear and grief, became somewhat disoriented and it just seemed to him like the cabin was moving/appearing-disappearing, or whether in fact the cabin really can move around. Heck, if Jacob could somehow cure Juliet's sister's cancer recurrance all the way in Miami, surely he could move a little cabin around, right? ...Then again, we don't know if we have the real story about Juliet's sister, because all we know comes from Ben, the master liar, so bad example for me to give. But it definitely seems that "Jacob" is powerful. I mean, someone or something--could have been "the island"...are Jacob and the island one and the same?--cured Locke from a gunshot wound within a few hours! Not too shabby!

The only thing I feel sure of is that the actual cabin itself was not a product of Hurley's own mind/hallucenation, because it was the same one that we've seen Ben take Locke to. Other than that, everything is up in the air...including the cabin, apparently *lol*!

Great episode! And the fact that Hurley apparently was hallucenating in the flash forward (or was he--was he hallucenating or seeing real "visions", ala Shannon and Sayid seeing Walt at the same time, etc.?) really makes us wonder if he was hallucenating that the cabin moved around, or did it really do so?

The LOST team just loves to make us crazy, don't they? And we love it, too! LOST is back, baby, it's back!

Everybody seems to be forgetting that when the cabin appeared again, the door opened. So obviously the cabin, or Jacob, or whatever, wanted him to come inside.

Everyone has a different opinion about who was inside..I thought it was Locke's eye after he showed up alongside Hurley. I also thought the rocker was empty!! Any screencaps?

Everybody seems to be forgetting that when the cabin appeared again, the door opened. So obviously the cabin, or Jacob, or whatever, wanted him to come inside.
I yelled at my TV for Hurley to go inside, what's interesting is that he was invited in, Locke wasn't even invited in and from Bens one sided conversation with Jacob it appeared Locke being there was upsetting to Jacob, I wonder what Huirley being invited in means.

Everyone has a different opinion about who was inside..I thought it was Locke's eye after he showed up alongside Hurley. I also thought the rocker was empty!! Any screencaps?
In another thread, someone has a screencap of the man in the rocker. It was definitely Christian Shepherd, Jack's dad. (!) I had totally not picked up on that last night! I just saw a quick flash and assumed (never assume with LOST!) that it was Jacob.

One of my first thoughts was if Hurley was now "special"too? He saw the Jacob's cabin & Jacob(possibly) who else but Locke (& Ben)can claim that????

I got the feeling that the cabin found Hurley...not the other way around. If this is true, then it could have "moved" from being seen by him again.
Seeing the cabin be in seemingly 2 different places made me think of the line Ben said last season, (paraphrasing), how you don't go to visit Jacob ... Jacob summons you.

Maybe Hurley was "summoned"
I completely agree. When I was watching and the cabin appeared again I literally said, out loud, "Hurley, don't run, Jacob wants to talk to you."

I think there is no imagination involved in any of this, but I think another part of this sequence points very strongly to Hurley having a certain control of the island and its forces - note how he wills the cabin away, and it goes away.

Much like he willed Charlie away, and he goes away.

Everybody seems to be forgetting that when the cabin appeared again, the door opened. So obviously the cabin, or Jacob, or whatever, wanted him to come inside.

One of my first thoughts was if Hurley was now "special"too? He saw the Jacob's cabin & Jacob(possibly) who else but Locke (& Ben)can claim that????

It think you all are pointing out something very important. Jacob seemed to want to talk to Hurley. Why? Hurley is special? I've thought there was something up with Hurley ever since S1 when he was the one who wanted to take the census (like he knew someone, Ethan, wasn't supposed to be there).

Plus, I think at this point we have to start attributing Hurley's visions to more than just garden-variety insanity. He obviously has a connection to the Island like many others.

"Garden-variety insanity" is my new favorite phrase. :roflmao:

Also, important question - if the cabin doesn't move, or if it can move anywhere around 'the ash circle,' how close does that make the ash circle with Jacobs cabin inside it from the part of the jungle where the cockpit landed? Because my impression is that the two wouldn't be close at all, except it's hard to tell obv from the Pilot and tMBtC... but in this episode it seemed like once Locke let Hurley go, they appeared by the Cockpit rather soon. Which is good to know!

I too am wondering about the location on the island. In this epi the cabin seemed really close to the cockpit. But then again, if it moves, maybe location isn't so important? And where does the ash circle fit into all this? :confused:

I completely agree. When I was watching and the cabin appeared again I literally said, out loud, "Hurley, don't run, Jacob wants to talk to you."

I think there is no imagination involved in any of this, but I think another part of this sequence points very strongly to Hurley having a certain control of the island and its forces - note how he wills the cabin away, and it goes away.

Much like he willed Charlie away, and he goes away.

I think Hurley, perhaps through his grief about Charlie, perhaps through his fear of being lost, is finding a strong (maybe even stronger that Locke's) connection to the island, and I think the island is noticing right back.


Or perhaps Charlie has become a part of the island through his death and Hurley can see Jacob now not because of his connection to the island but because of his connection to Charlie. In other words Charlie is the link.

I didnt really follow the ash circle threads last year so forgive me if this has been discussed but I wonder if the ash circle is put there by jacob to keep his cabin hidden. It didnt seem a long walk to get back to where the others losties are. If the cabin was visible, and that close to an area they knew about surely someone would have stumbled on it.

Maybe Jacob can show who he wants. Maybe Christian is one of them?

As for the cabin moving...maybe it can be anywhere in that circle

Anyone else remember one of TPTB referencing Hurley as the only cast member to be, well basically, an untouchable? no one was to kill him off because he was central to the story. and everyone else was fair game.

Maybe it was from an interview with Jorge.

But things are following up to the that. The numbers. being an O6, seeing Jacob, being invited into the cabin...

Maybe someone has removed the ash circle and Jacob and his cabin are free to move about the island. I don't remember seeing it this episode.

That's my thought. If Locke retunred to talk with Jacob after being shot by Ben or after throwing the knife at Naomi, isn't it likely that Jacob asked him to remove the ash barrier that surrounds the cabbin. That is, of course, if the ash barrier was bad for Jacob. My original impression had been that it had been placed there by Ben in order to keep Jacob confined. Of course this is all complete speculation. However, if its correct, then if John did remove the ash, Jacob is on the loose and able to move his cabin freely about the island.

Maybe someone has removed the ash circle and Jacob and his cabin are free to move about the island. I don't remember seeing it this episode.

This is what I'm thinking. I still believe the circle was meant to keep Jacob, and apparently his house, in one spot. But things, have changed. This is how I see it played out:

Jacob said "Help Me" to Locke back in season 3. It's been a theory of mine that Ben is the one imprisoning Jacob and thus Jacob asks Locke to help him. Which is why Ben shoots Locke later - he doesn't want Locke to help Jacob. But Locke survives and is curiously offscreen for nearly all of the final 2 episodes of the season. What did he do? He went back to the cabin, of course and helped Jacob by disrupting the circle of Ash. Now Jacob is free and can apparently manifest himself and his house in other places. And it seems Locke has been hanging at his place somehow.

I agree with Hurley being "summoned" instead of Hurley accidentally finding the place. It was no accident, imo.

This is what I'm thinking. I still believe the circle was meant to keep Jacob, and apparently his house, in one spot. But things, have changed.

Totally agree with this-- I don't know why I didn't think of it during the show! (probably because so much was happening!)

I agree with Hurley being "summoned" instead of Hurley accidentally finding the place. It was no accident, imo.

Absolutely, and everyone who's been saying this is right on the money.

To expand on the talk of Hurley a little bit, I DO think that giving Hurley a season premiere, complete with experiences in Jacob's cabin and making him one of the Oceanic 6, shows how important the character is. It must be so great for Jorge to have a role that defies stereotyping. I was so impressed with his acting range in this episode, from mourning the death of Charlie to his anger toward Jack, his joviality and freedom on the beach and his fear of Abbadon... great stuff. Actually, I think I've just inspired myself to go leave a message for Jorge on his board. :tongue1:

I'm not entirely sure, but I think when Hurley was backing away with his eyes closed he stepped over the ash line, which could be linked to why the cabin was gone when he looked again. As I said though, I'm not certain I saw this. Did anyone else see that?

the first time hurley saw the cabin, it was the real physical cabin, with locke pow-wowing with jacob-as-jack's-dad inside, which is why locke found hurley so quickly (and heard him crying for help. hurley freaked and ran away. the 2nd time he saw the cabin it was in his head, a la dave, which is why it disappeared when he closed his eyes.

--billy

I'm reminded of a great simpsons episode

Carl: According to the map, the cabin should be right here.

Lenny: Hey, maybe there is no cabin. Maybe it's one of them
metaphorical things.

Carl: Oh yeah, yeah... Like maybe the cabin is the place inside each
of us, created by our goodwill and teamwork.

Lenny: Ohhh!
Nah, they said there would be sandwiches.

the first time hurley saw the cabin, it was the real physical cabin, with locke pow-wowing with jacob-as-jack's-dad inside, which is why locke found hurley so quickly (and heard him crying for help. hurley freaked and ran away. the 2nd time he saw the cabin it was in his head, a la dave, which is why it disappeared when he closed his eyes.

--billy

I like that theory! I also didn't realize that when he saw it again after running, it wasn't behind him anymore, it was in front of him now. Clearly making the cabin appear to "move" or be considered a hallucination on Hurley's/Hugo's part. When the door opened I thought it was someone leaving the cabin that we just couldn't see, I didn't realize that Hurley/Hugo was being summoned inside. Great comments from all who posted on this topic!

One more thing I noticed in this scene is that the eyeball in the cabin could not be Locke's. Locke's eyes are blue (or green, or hazel) and the eyeball looked to be dark in color. I could swear that the person who's eye we see also has hair, and we all know this is something Locke lacks.