While watching the episode I noticed the detective looked a lot like young Ben in Stephen King's 'IT' (Brandon Crane).

Now that the episode is over it has me thinking. In 'IT' the gang (Trashmouth, Eddie, Stan, Bev, Mike, Ben and Bill) faced something in their youth that they knew one day would come back. Years later they had to all reconnect to finally take care of the "evil" for one last time to end it. While this isn't the same story I do see a possible connection. We have seen a few other Stephen King references previously and I think it's an interested parrallel. Is it possible the Oceanic 6 will have to reunite to take care of business that happened on the island just like the gang had to in the book?

Any thoughts?

Could be, the creative team has said on many occasions that they are huge King fans. So, anything is possible in that regards.

While watching the episode I noticed the detective looked a lot like young Ben in Stephen King's 'IT' (Brandon Crane).

Now that the episode is over it has me thinking. In 'IT' the gang (Trashmouth, Eddie, Stan, Bev, Mike, Ben and Bill) faced something in their youth that they knew one day would come back. Years later they had to all reconnect to finally take care of the "evil" for one last time to end it. While this isn't the same story I do see a possible connection. We have seen a few other Stephen King references previously and I think it's an interested parrallel. Is it possible the Oceanic 6 will have to reunite to take care of business that happened on the island just like the gang had to in the book?

Any thoughts?

Since It is my favorite King book and obviously the writers of Lost are big fans. I always try to find similar connections. And drew on this one instantly.

We know Jack(eventually) and Hurley have tremendous guilt and a need to right their wrong.

Kate doesn't seem to share Jack's enthusiasm.

And well some of us don't know the other 3 of the Six. I do. But well there is a board for that and I'm sure there are theories there on who might/won't feel the need to do something about it as Jack and Hurley do.

I don't think any of the other 3 will pull an "Uris" and commit suicide rather then facing the possibility of dealing with the evil. Then again we don't know what is to come. Though as in "IT" if they do go back to face it, I think one or two of them will die.

I see the slight similarity in the stories, but the road you took to get there feels forced.
Obviously the writers are fans of King. Sounds like 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon. or is it 7 or 8...whatever. lol. You know what I mean

I don't think any of the other 3 will pull an "Uris" and commit suicide rather then facing the possibility of dealing with the evil. Then again we don't know what is to come. Though as in "IT" if they do go back to face it, I think one or two of them will die.

Unless, one of them does pull an "Uris" and thats the funeral Jack goes to. The name in the paper might be an assumed name for a certain Lostie with a certain checkered past they're hiding from.

Oh, this makes perfect sense... now I know who's eye (http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/3835/pennywiseuo5.jpg) was at the cabin door...:shocking:

Wow! When journaling about the episode last night...

"It wants us to come back." IT?!? The clown? Okay, the island.

LOL. Maybe I wasn't so far off with the first guess. :redface:

One of the more subtle moments in this episode is Hurley telling Jack they have to go back, and Jack reacting exactly how Kate did. Obviously this takes place pre-beard, he even mentioned it.

This means that the island is using them to convince each other one by one, knowing that Hurley needs to convince Jack, Jack needs to convince Kate, and Kate needs to convince . . .?

And yes, I agree, none of them can back to the island until ALL of them can go back.

They don't need a beacon, maps, or a submarine to do it either I bet.

And Smokey, just like "IT" can change forms from a monster to people to horses, based on who it is interacting with just like "IT" could change forms as well from clown to spider etc.

I also agree that none of them will be able to go unless they all agree to return.

Very NICE connection. I always disliked the end creature in It (at least in the movie - it seemed a bit lame.) But the "conspiracy" feeling of secrecy is VERY similar. I can't remember exactly why the kids in "It" formed their conspiracy. Didn't the creature kill one of their friends? I mean, they got rid of it (can't remember exactly how,) but they knew it would come back - but didn't it kill one of their other friends?

And Smokey, just like "IT" can change forms from a monster to people to horses, based on who it is interacting with just like "IT" could change forms as well from clown to spider etc.

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This is a great similarity. I think the oceanic 6 is a little too vague to be a similarity to IT. But what do I know!

Is it possible the Oceanic 6 will have to reunite to take care of business that happened on the island just like the gang had to in the book?

Any thoughts?

Will they all have to have sex to connect to each other and beat whatever enemy they are up against?

At least they aren't all 12...

I've been thinking about the IT connection since the beginning of the series, but mainly because of the format of "flashbacks" as a way to develop characters. I'd all but forgotten about it (no pun!) until this episode when Hurley uses the word IT instead of saying "The Island" or "Jacob" or whatever.

The need of the O6 to "reunite" and return to the place where they first encountered IT is even more suggestive of of SK.

A few more little similarities: Both Bev and Kate have abusive fathers, Hurley and Ben both have weight issues, Stan and one (yet unidentified) of the O6 both commited suicide possibly because they couldn't face a return to IT , the Monster in both stories impersonates dead people (In IT: Ben's and Bev's fathers and Bill's brother Georgie, and "Belch". In LOST: Eko's brother Yemi, Jack's father Christian, possibly Charlie?), and in both stories the Monster has no concrete form. Also (stretching it a bit) both stories have a "bad guy" called Henry!!!

There are alot more complex similarites regarding Good vs Evil but they're fairly universal and could be said of many stories so not very specific to this thread...

I'm pretty sure Hurley's "IT" reference was a nod (yet again!) to Mr. King!!

Live Together, Die Alone

You're not alone, wednesd777... I immediately thought of "It" while watching the epi... It's my favorite book, not just of King's but probably of all time...

The struggle to go back... the group being brought back together.. not wanting to face the inevitable journey back to the terrifying past.. "Sleepers" also came to mind, for the same reasons.. Let's just hope Lost doesn't end up using the cosmic turtle mechanism...


Lostscape - please send a case of Sleepy-time tea my way.. After seeing that image you posted, I ain't sleepin' tonight.. :biggrin: BEEP BEEP RITCHIE! Everything floats down here...

This is a great thread, and it's a valid observation for sure. The future stories certainly seem to share some similarities with It, even down to the haunting by dead loved ones. There's a few key differences, such as the fact that Charlie seems to be trying to get Hurley to return in order to do good, whereas It badgered The Losers because he wanted them to leave and never come back. That makes me think that whatever is allowing Charlie to contact Hurley is a force of good, not of evil. Abaddon is clearly the malevolent present off-island, as far as we know.

But, guh. Just the fact that Stephen King's It is getting brought into this discussion freaks me the hell out. That book has always scared me not just because it's a scary book, but because there's way too many bizarre coincidences surrounding it and my life.

Like for example, I grew up in a small town in rural Maine very similar to the town of Derry in the book. The modern events in the book begin on the exact date and year that I was born, my exact birthday. My house was down by the rivers and the sewer system was just a half-mile off into the woods, and that area was in fact either called 'the barrens' or 'the gulleys'. And yep, me and my friends played down there every summer and built tree forts and all kinds of weird stuff I don't recall; at least we didn't get attacked by ancient demons. I was also an awful stutterer growing up, and am currently working as a writer!

And I forgot, I was Stephen King's neighbor after I turned 12, as his lake-house was just a few houses down from one we ended up buying. Been to his place for dinner. That just makes it all even more creepy as far as I'm concerned. Brrrr. I've recently moved to Boulder, CO only to find that it is literally the only other locale besides Maine he has written about, and the place where I rock climb every weekend just happens to be the location of the original inspiration for the Overlook Hotel. *sigh*

haven't read IT but am currently reading the Dark Tower series.

there are tons of references to the Dark Tower in Lost, and after reading this, i'm thinking about the 6 beams holding up the Dark Tower in relation to the O6.

also, if you've read it, in Wolves (DT 5), the control room Jake goes to reminds me of the hatches and/or Ben's monitor room at the Hydra.

good stuff if you haven't read it.

JR

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And I forgot, I was Stephen King's neighbor after I turned 12, as his lake-house was just a few houses down from one we ended up buying. Been to his place for dinner. That just makes it all even more creepy as far as I'm concerned. Brrrr. I've recently moved to Boulder, CO only to find that it is literally the only other locale besides Maine he has written about, and the place where I rock climb every weekend just happens to be the location of the original inspiration for the Overlook Hotel. *sigh*

Firefly, you are my new hero. :biggrin:

haven't read IT but am currently reading the Dark Tower series.

there are tons of references to the Dark Tower in Lost, and after reading this, i'm thinking about the 6 beams holding up the Dark Tower in relation to the O6.

also, if you've read it, in Wolves (DT 5), the control room Jake goes to reminds me of the hatches and/or Ben's monitor room at the Hydra.

good stuff if you haven't read it.

JR
Honkyg, I'm reading Book5 (Wolves) now! What a treat the Tower series is to savor!

Firefly, you are my new hero. :biggrin:


Honkyg, I'm reading Book5 (Wolves) now! What a treat the Tower series is to savor!


cool! i hope i didn't ruin (roont) anything for you...i don't think i did. i'm almost done with 6...it's good reading and most Lost fans will dig it.

JR