First time poster here. Haven't followed any threads during the break, but I was thinking as I was watching tonight's episode, could the rescue boat be Dharma? During the past seasons we have written them off as en extinct group of scientists still getting food drops but maybe they really are the bad guys. any thoughts about this?

First time poster here. Haven't followed any threads during the break, but I was thinking as I was watching tonight's episode, could the rescue boat be Dharma? During the past seasons we have written them off as en extinct group of scientists still getting food drops but maybe they really are the bad guys. any thoughts about this?

ABSOLUTELY! I agree 100%

BACK HISTORY: Last year after TTLG there was a HUGE debate on here about the freighter people. Two sides -- Dharma Initiative and Non- DI. It was one of the longest running threads I can recall.

Anyway, I wholeheartedly believe they are the new Dharma Initiavtive coming back to reclaim the island they lost many years ago. The anti-DI theorists claimed the DI was completely wiped out. The pro-DI camp argued that it couldn't have been completely wiped out in the real world and that they would want to reclaim the island. (Remember that Kelvin was recruited by Dharma sometime after the first desert storm in the 90's.)

Good thought!

Ben overthrows Dharma...

Widmore/Paik/Maxwell etc...take over or buy the 'off island' Dharma reps.
they continue food drops, so Ben and island natives can do tests.

Ben and others exchange their ideas and scientific conclusions to
Widmore/Paik/Maxwell etc for continued food drops.

Widmore/Paik/Maxwell etc benefit with scientific wonders which keeps them
wealthy and world renowned.

Ben and others benefit by living on an island which in itself is a marvel that they connect to on many levels.

Perhaps Dharma has reformed and wants it back now!!!!!!!!

Yes, I think they could be DI people, or hired by DI to get back to the island. That situation would certainly make Ben fear their arrival and believe everyone will be killed. My problem with this idea is the “Looking for Desmond” lie. Though the idea for the lie could have come from Penny’s father (who could easily get a copy of the picture) I don’t see the NEED for the lie itself when it comes to their desire to relocate the island. What would be the point, going into Others Camp and saying, “Hi, we are looking for this man, and now that we’ve distracted you we are going to shoot you all.” Just doesn’t make sense to me.

Yes, I think they could be DI people, or hired by DI to get back to the island. That situation would certainly make Ben fear their arrival and believe everyone will be killed. My problem with this idea is the “Looking for Desmond” lie. Though the idea for the lie could have come from Penny’s father (who could easily get a copy of the picture) I don’t see the NEED for the lie itself when it comes to their desire to relocate the island. What would be the point, going into Others Camp and saying, “Hi, we are looking for this man, and now that we’ve distracted you we are going to shoot you all.” Just doesn’t make sense to me.


This would all make sense except to the best of our knowledge there should only be 1 copy of that picture and Desmond had it. Its twin's existence is something of a mystery.

I think it would be rather unimaginative for the freighter people to be DHARMA. "We're coming to take our island back" just seems too simple for a show like LOST. They probably represent some corporate interested, but I will be disappointed if there's not more to it than that.

I think that the people on the boat are working for whomever put up the money for the Dharma project. I wouldn't be surprised if someone that financed such a huge project would be a little upset that their people had been exterminated and their projects all disbanded. I'm voting for Widmore/Paik as being those funders.

I recall reading an interview where (I Think) Emerson states that the people on the boat ARE NOT Dharma.

That is a definite possiblility. Very interesting. I heard a spoiler that
They are Dharma...but I'm not sure if that's true.

I recall reading an interview where (I Think) Emerson states that the people on the boat ARE NOT Dharma.

While it may be true that they are NOT Dharma it doesn't really make sense that Ben would know of another, separate group that wants to find the island and kill everyone.

What makes the theory work is that Ben killed the DI in the purge and that they'd want to take back the island. Maybe it is too simple but even Freud said, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."

As for the Desmond connection -- if Widmore is involved with the new DI or some other megalomaniacal, corporate entity that wants the island would it be so far-fetched that Desmond's Solo race around the world was really a ploy to have him stumble across the island? Perhaps Widmore wanted to use Des as a guinea pig to find the island but for some reason -- EM snow globe -- was unable to track him?

While it may be true that they are NOT Dharma it doesn't really make sense that Ben would know of another, separate group that wants to find the island and kill everyone.

Why not? The Others are clearly capable of using a vast information network to get things like autopsy reports and files on each and every Flight 815 passenger, not to mention knowing seemingly unknowable things like the fact that Sawyer killed a man the night before he left Sydney. Given their information gathering abilities, why is it a stretch to think that Ben would want to research and learn about any possible external threat to the sanctity of the Island?

Even if you don't buy any of that, it's just as likely that Ben simply understands intuitively that anyone who has been able to find the Island and is here with a freighter and parachuting agents with satellite phones doesn't intend anything positive.

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The Dharma initiative was never a corporation.
They where a group of scientists who decided to study on the Island, and I believe they are all dead.

They where however funded by the Hanso group, now THAT is a corporation.
And whatever the Hanso group is 20 years later it makes alot of sense that THEY are the ones looking for this Island.

There is also a sneak peak showing us that the helicopter packed gasmasks.

-Exodus

Remember the ARG last year?
A guy named Thomas Mittelwerk was searching for an island?
Hmmmm.....

I 'm beginning to think that the "oceanic 6 get rescued by a second boat. This group had a picture of Des and Penny which would have nothing to do with the crash. What
if boat 2 prevents boat 1 from getting people off the island.

Perhaps Jack and company being unable to trust Naomi's people attack them causing boat 2 to use this as a threat to keep quiet.

Naomi had no reason to come under false pretenses..............maybe she did think that 815 had been found and there were no surviors.

Last season in Mikhail's cabin, Locke was playing chess. When he beat the computer, it told you to enter a number (77? can't remember) if the hostiles had taken over, and Locke entered it. The communications cabin ended up blowing up, but what else may have happened? Was a signal somehow sent out to the outside world?

Last season in Mikhail's cabin, Locke was playing chess. When he beat the computer, it told you to enter a number (77? can't remember) if the hostiles had taken over, and Locke entered it. The communications cabin ended up blowing up, but what else may have happened? Was a signal somehow sent out to the outside world?

YES!

Which explains why the remnants of dharma (hanso/widmore/paik) are now coming back to investigate and reclaim the island.

The only problem I see with this is that since the swan station imploded the flame station hasn't been able to contact the outside world. And the switch at the looking glass was switched after the flame blew up.

Surely if the station had been compromised Dharma would have figured that others would have been too, hence issued an override for any communication blocking.

The Flame was the only station NOT affected by the Looking Glass's jamming, right?

I'm not sure about the freighter being Dharma. I definitely think they're funded in part or whole by Charles Widmore. I think that Naomi had the picture of Desmond because it would convince Desmond to let her into the Swan Station and disable something there that would allow a helicopter to pass through the electrmagnetic field around the island. Even if the Dharma Initiative has been wiped out information about it is still out in the world, and a man like Widmore is wealhy enough to find it. He also seems to be a man that would do anything to reach his goals including kill everyone on the island. I don't think the freighties are there to restart Dharma, they're on the island to find something very specific. I think it'll be a case of the ends justifying the means for the freighties. For example, and I'm not saying this is true or will happen, but if a cure for cancer or most diseases was on the island because of its properties I could see a group wanting to do anything to find it. But whoever is on that freighter I think they'll do anything to reach their "primary objective."

Whether they're the new DI or not I totally agree that a war for the island is brewing and Ben/Locke will do everything ion their power to protect it while the freighties will do everything to take it.

Should be FANTASTIC!!!!

The Flame was the only station NOT affected by the Looking Glass's jamming, right?

I believe Mikhail and Tom said that it stopped working after the sky turned purple.

Since we're on this subject I just finished watching the Bonus Features from the S3 DVD's. This might be a mild spoiler so I'll tag it:


MC Gainey, who plays Tom, was talking about the boat people while filming his death scene. He said that the Others looked like Boy Scouts or something to that effect compared to the savages that were coming on the boat.

The freighter people have a mission and they were using Penny Widmore and her search for Desmond as a way to gain access to the island without total hostility now that they know that the 815 survivors are there as well that will also be another front for their real mission

I think they are Original Dharma Innitiative folks. They want to take the Island back.

But - Desmond - although not an original Dharma person - was doing a Dharma job.

Why was he pushing the button?? Was that to keep other Others off the Island? Or to keep other Dharma off the Island? Because the Others didn't seem to know about the "Purple Haze" when he didn't push the button. They were just as clueless about it as anyone else.

So it almost makes you think there is a third group - not Dharma and Not Others who just don't want ANYONE to find the Island because of the dangers it's "powers" seem to have.

I think it would be better for them to be Dharma rather than some other new group.Just because I like the idea of them wanting to get back at Ben for stealing the island from them and killing all of their people.

I firmly believe that the outside world thinks the passengers of 815 are dead. So, it may be a genuine surprise to the freighter folk that they were in fact "lost" on craphole island. I also dont think the researchers on the freighter have any intention to harm any of the 815ers. They may actually have intentions to rescue them after there mission is over. But the mission may be the thing Ben/Locke are worried about...maybe thats whats going to unleash chaos......and wipe out mostly everyone.

What i don't understand is why the freighter can't find the island. Someone was finding the island becasue of the food drops. So i don't think that the freighter could be dharma or Widmore.

I firmly believe that the outside world thinks the passengers of 815 are dead. So, it may be a genuine surprise to the freighter folk that they were in fact "lost" on craphole island. I also dont think the researchers on the freighter have any intention to harm any of the 815ers. They may actually have intentions to rescue them after there mission is over. But the mission may be the thing Ben/Locke are worried about...maybe thats whats going to unleash chaos......and wipe out mostly everyone.

These people aren't the outside world though. They know much more than the average person in the outside world. They are liars and dangerous. . I think they know exactly who is on the island.

What i don't understand is why the freighter can't find the island. Someone was finding the island becasue of the food drops. So i don't think that the freighter could be dharma or Widmore.

Lost is nothing if not complicated. Here's how I understand it:

1- The Dharma Initiative was wiped out in the purge
2- Somtime in the 90's Kelvin was recruited by the DI and was then trapped in the Swan until Des showed up
3- Dharma drops were still ongoing even though the DI was wiped out = as far as we know Ben is the only DI person to survive the purge (as of now)

4- The swan hatch was destroyed causing a communications breakdown on the island
5- Locke presses 77 which destroys the Flame and I believe sends a signal back to the outside world that the DI is in trouble
6- Naomi shows up all of the sudden
7- She seems to be lying about being sent by Penny

Of course there is nothing conclusive as of yet to determine who the freighter people are but I would actually love to see the new DI come back to get some vengeance and take back the island -- it makes for a very interesting war.

I think it makes sense for them to be Dharma or at least to have evolved from Dharma.

Just curious, how was anything I wrote in my earlier post a spoiler?

I'm going to spoiler font it so I don't make a mod mad, but I would appreciate an explanation, as I think I am pretty diligent about respecting spoiler rules.


Why not? The Others are clearly capable of using a vast information network to get things like autopsy reports

This is from 3x01, A Tale of Two Cities when Juliet says the Others have a copy of Christian's autopsy report.

and files on each and every Flight 815 passenger,

From 3x16 One of Us, when Ben and Juliet visit Mikhail shortly after the crash of 815.

not to mention knowing seemingly unknowable things like the fact that Sawyer killed a man the night before he left Sydney.

3x16 again, when Juliet says this to Sawyer when he and Sayid confront her.

Given their information gathering abilities, why is it a stretch to think that Ben would want to research and learn about any possible external threat to the sanctity of the Island?

This is simply based on what he said to Jack in 3x22, Through the Looking Glass.

Even if you don't buy any of that, it's just as likely that Ben simply understands intuitively that anyone who has been able to find the Island and is here with a freighter and parachuting agents with satellite phones doesn't intend anything positive.

Freighter mentioned by Naomi as early as 3x19, parachuting agents in 3x17 and 4x01.

The spoilerfont is primarily because the post you were responding to referenced a spoiler. Had it been posted on its own, it would probably have been fine. (It looks like the quote itself got missed in the edit, so I added font to it too.)

...because whoever is still on the outside thinks that the Dharma Initiative is still alive and kicking. Ben and his group have been making it look like everything's okay. But Locke's entering 77 triggered an alarn to whomever is still on the outside. Naomi did show up shortly after that happened...

But of course it could have been the hatch/EMP burst too.


YES!

Which explains why the remnants of dharma (hanso/widmore/paik) are now coming back to investigate and reclaim the island.

I had forgotten about Kelvin, that kinda explains it all.

Kelvin must have been able to communicate somehow to the outside world, probably sending messages on a scheduled basis.
He tells "the freighter people" about Desmond, and the figure out that penny is looking for him.

So when they come to the island they are looking for Desmond and more specifically the hatch he is in control of, after all that was Kelvins job and as far as we know now the ONLY thing these people cared for.

-Exodus

The spoilerfont is primarily because the post you were responding to referenced a spoiler. Had it been posted on its own, it would probably have been fine. (It looks like the quote itself got missed in the edit, so I added font to it too.)

K, fair enough. Just checking. :cool:

What i don't understand is why the freighter can't find the island. Someone was finding the island becasue of the food drops. So i don't think that the freighter could be dharma or Widmore.

exactly!!!! If the freighter people were Dharma they would be able to locate the island straight away based upon the food drop coordinates. Also, since Dharma put their emblem on everything, why didnt Naomis flight suit bear the Dharma mark? or the satellite phone?

I thin Dharma in itself is wiped out as far as the scientific end, i mean after all these years wouldnt there be a question as to why there havent been reports on experiemnts since the Others purge? Unless good ole Ben, through cyclops, have been feeding back false reports save for the fertility testing. Surely the food drops are sub-contracted, and were pre-paid a large sum, thats why they continue to drop near the swan and not just near the barracks.

This leads me to think that our freighter people are competitors of DI, or have some other purpose entirely. possibly Widmore based on Naomi having the photo of Desmond and Penny, then again i think thats all they know about,,,, which means unaware of the Otthers, the flight 815 people (naomi seemed genuinly surprised, but has same manipulative lying streak that an Other has). sooooo electromagnetic eneergy is their key interest? After all, Penny had a direct line with a listening station in Siberia, specifically listening for EMP energy. the only flaw is the helicoptors, no helo in use today to my knowledge is hardenned agasint EMP. remember, naomi's helo went out of control and crashed within 1 mile of the island. and in preview of next week we see the 2nd helo spinning out of control as its pilot ejects

The only problem I see with this is that since the swan station imploded the flame station hasn't been able to contact the outside world. And the switch at the looking glass was switched after the flame blew up.


This is where it gets interesting:

We know that at the point at which the plane crashes, and at least a short time thereafter, communications with the outside world were possible. If they weren't, Ben would never have been able to obtain dossiers on the 815'rs.

We know that Locke carelessly sent a Dharma distress signal from the Flame in Enter 77 by playing the video game.

We know that Desmond's turning of the failsafe was reportedly responsible for a lack of extra-island communications, according to Tom. (But maybe this is what Tom had been led to believe?)

We know that at some point, Ben decided to jam communications with the outside world by utilizing equipment in the Looking Glass station.

We don't know the sequence of events of : Swan implosion, Enter 77 and TLG jam.

We know that the Swan implosion occurred prior to Locke's distress call in Enter 77. But when did Ben begin to jam communications from TLG?

It's possible that Locke called the freighter, if his transmission was made prior to Ben's TLG jam being initiated. .

What i don't understand is why the freighter can't find the island. Someone was finding the island becasue of the food drops. So i don't think that the freighter could be dharma or Widmore.

I completely agree with you. I don't think it is Dharma either for the same reasons. Dharma could have come back at any time why now? The Locke and the 77 explanation is interesting but I don't think it really fits.

Surely they are taken off the Island by Oceanic.. This would tie in with Hurley being offered 'Help' by an Oceanic employee in the flash forward, and also the name, Oceanic 6?

Steve

exactly!!!! If the freighter people were Dharma they would be able to locate the island straight away based upon the food drop coordinates. Also, since Dharma put their emblem on everything, why didnt Naomis flight suit bear the Dharma mark? or the satellite phone?

I thin Dharma in itself is wiped out as far as the scientific end, i mean after all these years wouldnt there be a question as to why there havent been reports on experiemnts since the Others purge? Unless good ole Ben, through cyclops, have been feeding back false reports save for the fertility testing. Surely the food drops are sub-contracted, and were pre-paid a large sum, thats why they continue to drop near the swan and not just near the barracks.

This leads me to think that our freighter people are competitors of DI, or have some other purpose entirely. possibly Widmore based on Naomi having the photo of Desmond and Penny, then again i think thats all they know about,,,, which means unaware of the Otthers, the flight 815 people (naomi seemed genuinly surprised, but has same manipulative lying streak that an Other has). sooooo electromagnetic eneergy is their key interest? After all, Penny had a direct line with a listening station in Siberia, specifically listening for EMP energy. the only flaw is the helicoptors, no helo in use today to my knowledge is hardenned agasint EMP. remember, naomi's helo went out of control and crashed within 1 mile of the island. and in preview of next week we see the 2nd helo spinning out of control as its pilot ejects


plausible, but my thoughts were that after the purge, the hostiles took control of the island. Ben obviously has enought of a working knowledge of the technology on the island to use it to his own end (i.e. the looking glass). perhaps Dharma (or more specifically Hanso) were unable to locate the island after the purge. Ben said that it was a group of people who had been looking for the island for a long time, and if i was Hanso and had that much invested in the island and the projects carried out there, i'd be pretty intent on finding it as well.

Surely they are taken off the Island by Oceanic.. This would tie in with Hurley being offered 'Help' by an Oceanic employee in the flash forward, and also the name, Oceanic 6?

Steve

well, it doesn't seem his "help" from Oceanic was really 1) any help 2) from Oceanic at all. Matthew Abaddon was not with Hurley bc he truly cared about him, hence, the reason he left so suddenly.

I thought the name Oceanic 6 was not given to them bc of who rescued them, but bc of what they were rescued from. They were, presumably, 6 survivors of the Oceanic flight.

I dunno--anything is possible with this show.
100%
After reading all of the responses, I definitely think the Freighties are folks that are somehow connected to Widmore (bc of the pic Naomi had) and/or more deeply connected with Hanso.

At this point with what we know, a third group of people that could care less about rescuing survivors just doesn't make sense.

I have to say, I don't think the freighties will necessarily be evil, they just have a different agenda than the losties and now the losties are in their way and they (the freighties) will have to deal with them. By their own admission "rescuing you and your people can't really say that is our primary objective". After they've spent millions of dollars and travelled thousands of miles to the island and from what Ben told Jack in TTLG spent years looking for the island they are not about to alter their plans. I think it'll come down to competing agendas, perhaps the freighties motives are genuine but I think they'll use increasingly violent tactics in dealing with the losties to achieve their ends because they think they're justified. And that is where the conflict will come from.

I thought the name Oceanic 6 was not given to them bc of who rescued them, but bc of what they were rescued from. They were, presumably, 6 survivors of the Oceanic flight.


WHen Hurley was arrested after crashing his car he was screaming " Im one of the Oceanic six".. so this pretty surely infers that there are 6 people. the outside world only knows of 6 survivors, the rest are there in secret.

This would all make sense except to the best of our knowledge there should only be 1 copy of that picture and Desmond had it. Its twin's existence is something of a mystery.

Someone, either Kelvin or the Others, snagged Desmond's photo and sent a copy to Mr Widmore. We know that they had a direct line of communication to Penny, or most likely to her father. I'm assuming that Penny was using her father's communication setup when she spoke with Charlie. They sent the photo on demand, as verification that Desmond was in fact on the island.

I don't think Locke entering "77" summoned the Freighties...weren't communications still blocked because the people underwater had the jamming signal on? They have to turn it off for that communication station to be any good. I thought entering "77" ultimately blew the communication station up? Am I wrong and has this been discussed?

I have to agree that the Losties are just kind of in the way of the Freighties...as a matter of fact, they're probably the original Dharma trying to get rid of the Others for what they did to their people... But if you're from the outside and you stumble onto the Island...with all of the deception and lies that the Others have shown, how would you be able to tell the Losties and the Others apart? You wouldn't so you'd kill them all...revenge is a powerful force that doesn't stop to ask questions. Naomi with a knife in her back isn't going to make them any happier either...

I posted this in the "Freighter thread" but it applies here as well:

WO-

I think you just proved that the freighties are the Dharma Initiative!!!

I agree with you that they don't use freighters to do search and rescue. And as Charlie, Ben and Locke believe they are not who they say they are -- Naomi lied.

So why would a freighter be looking for the island?

TO MAKE A DHARMA INITIATIVE PALLET DROP, WHICH HASN'T BEEN DONE IN A WHILE BUT THEY CAN'T RELOCATE THE ISLAND. ALSO THEY'VE BE FOREWARNED THAT THE HOSTILES HAVE TAKEN OVER.

Freighters carry freight, such as huge pallets of supplies . . .

And it is my belief that this freighter was on assignment at the North Pole to drop pallets on a schedule. However, since the EM anomoly the island hasn't been locatable. So Naomi was performing a basic, grid pattern search when the island revealed itself. Voila! She makes her way to the island and gives the Dharma freighter a lin to locate the island in the form of the Sat phone.

Eight, I'm still not convincd the freighties are Dharma but the Dharma Initiative mae extensive studies of the island and that information is out there in the world and someone with enough money could find it, which is why I think the freighties are connected to Widmore, I just don't see them introducing a character that wealthy and that much of a bastard not to come back. And they're looking for something specific. What would someone do if they could find what prevents people from aging and could give it to the world(I'm not saying that why they're there I'm using an example). Whatever they came for rescuing the losties is a secondary goal they'll try to reach their goal before they consider rescue.

Wo-

I absolutely agree that rescuing the 815ies is secondary or even third on their list.

However, why is everyone saying or assuming that the Dharma Initiative was "wiped out?" They existed off island too and we have ZERO evidence to suggest the DeGroots or even Alvar Hanso have been wiped out. So I think the leading suspect has to be the DI.

Widmore and Paik are good suspects too since they're both wealthy industrialists, but personally I don't like the easy convenience that they have connections to people on the island. It seems like one of those situations where Penny or Sun could throw a hissy fit and say, "Dad how could you?!" And then the respective father says "Yeah you're right. Let's go home."

BTW- I happen to write screenplays in my spare time and one of the tenants to screenplay writing is AVOIDING EASY COINCIDENCES.

Eight that's kind of my point, I don't think the Initiative was wiped out, their on island people were, and we don't know a lot about Dharma, we don't know who's continuing the pallet drops or under what circumstances. My idea assumes that the purge lead to the breakup of Dharma throughout the world, but the information their scientific discoveries are still out there. Which is why I think Widmore, possibly in association with Paik want to get to the island, I don't think they want to restart the Initiative, I think they're on the island to extract something. I also think the four new freighties have been lied to about their group's motives, or some of them do and some of them are in the dark. I think the inevitable conflict between the losties and the freighties won't be outright good and evil, but competing agendas. The losties one goal is rescue, which is the most important and justified and righteous while the freghties goal is something else which they believe is righteous and justifed. I just want to know how many episodes before guns are drawn and a lostie shoots one of the freghties. I think that like with the others it's going to escalate slowly.

I looked at the ARG a few days ago and there seems to be a branch of widmore ind. called the Maxwell Group. I'm sure that this is a competitor for access to the island and is the first to reach it after the hatch explosion made the islands position known. Penny caught the blip first, but her dad sent the freighter folks without her knowing.

Eight that's kind of my point, I don't think the Initiative was wiped out, their on island people were, and we don't know a lot about Dharma, we don't know who's continuing the pallet drops or under what circumstances. My idea assumes that the purge lead to the breakup of Dharma throughout the world, but the information their scientific discoveries are still out there. Which is why I think Widmore, possibly in association with Paik want to get to the island, I don't think they want to restart the Initiative, I think they're on the island to extract something. I also think the four new freighties have been lied to about their group's motives, or some of them do and some of them are in the dark. I think the inevitable conflict between the losties and the freighties won't be outright good and evil, but competing agendas. The losties one goal is rescue, which is the most important and justified and righteous while the freghties goal is something else which they believe is righteous and justifed. I just want to know how many episodes before guns are drawn and a lostie shoots one of the freghties. I think that like with the others it's going to escalate slowly.

First you say you don't think the DI was wiped out only their island people:


I don't think the Initiative was wiped out, their on island people were


Then You kind of contradict yourself:


My idea assumes that the purge lead to the breakup of Dharma throughout the world


Broken up or wiped out it still results in the extinction of the DI.

So if this is the case then who's producing all that DI brand supplies? Who's taking the time to bundle and package it? Who's delivering it if no such organization exists?

Nobody seems to get my point that the freighter is a DI freighter with loads of DI supplies on board which they're waiting to drop at specific intervals. The reason they couldn't carry out their task is becasue the island wasn't locatable anymore.

My point is that we saw a DI pallet dropped before. Someone had to drop it and my guess is that it was Naomi or one of the other freighties.

Let me clarify because I realize I wasn't clear.Yes, I don't think the DI was wiped out worldwide just their on island facilities, but after a disaster like the purge the the Hanso Foundation or whoever the backers were decided to abandon the project because it caused to high a toll. As I said I have no idea why the pallet drops continue or how often. Even though the DI was disbanded in the outside world their former support staff and notes on scientific discoveries exist in the outside world. Hell, their has to be a former factory worker that remembers producing Dharma brand oat meal in the 70s. Widmore, who, I stated is the only character other than Paik who has the money and personality type to get this information, Paik could be involved as well. I think they don't want to restart the initiative, they want something very specific.

Let me clarify because I realize I wasn't clear.Yes, I don't think the DI was wiped out worldwide just their on island facilities, but after a disaster like the purge the the Hanso Foundation or whoever the backers were decided to abandon the project because it caused to high a toll. As I said I have no idea why the pallet drops continue or how often. Even though the DI was disbanded in the outside world their former support staff and notes on scientific discoveries exist in the outside world. Hell, their has to be a former factory worker that remembers producing Dharma brand oat meal in the 70s. Widmore, who, I stated is the only character other than Paik who has the money and personality type to get this information, Paik could be involved as well. I think they don't want to restart the initiative, they want something very specific.

I completely understand what you're saying and it makes sense EXCEPT we have no proof that the outside world DI was ever disbanded. We have no proof that Hanso and the DeGroots ever abandoned the project. AND since the DI pallet drops have continued without interruption we have to presume that the DI was under the impression that everything was "normal." After all -- Kelvin was recruited by the DI as recently as the mid 1990's AFTER the first gulf war.

Maybe the Swan was the only part of the island they kept control of, and the exact date of the purge was never given it could have been after Kelvin's recruitment by the DI. Also we never saw all of the specifics of the purge I'm sure they'll revisit it at some point. And we still don't know why the pallet drops continue or who does it. It could be the freighter or it might not be, Sawyer said he heard a plane but it was never clear if he did or not.

Maybe the Swan was the only part of the island they kept control of, and the exact date of the purge was never given it could have been after Kelvin's recruitment by the DI. Also we never saw all of the specifics of the purge I'm sure they'll revisit it at some point. And we still don't know why the pallet drops continue or who does it. It could be the freighter or it might not be, Sawyer said he heard a plane but it was never clear if he did or not.

I don't think that's true. I think Sawyer asked if anyone heard a plane or not because the pallet showed up in the middle of the night.