So, Locke decided to drop by and have tea with Jacob?

Sure looks possible. If so I'm sure we'll get a cool on-island Locke flashback soon. :)

who knows if that was even real, it changed positions.

Looked like Locke to me too

The guy in the chair looked more gaunter than last time.

So, Locke decided to drop by and have tea with Jacob?
My thoughts exactly! *AND* as much as I love Locke the thought of him hanging out with Jacob REALLY scares me!!!!!!!!!

I guess Locke decided to find out what Jacob meant or wanted when he heard him say, help me. When I think about that, it makes more sense to me that Locke went back to the cabin. Ben sure was upset that Locke heard Jacob say that. You KNOW that Locke would have had his curiosity peaked.

Jacob did appear more gaunt, and less "Black Rock-ish". I thought he seemed to have a modern suit on. He was thin . . . resembled Christian Shephard a bit?

I'm seeing a lot of posts saying that Christian Shepard is Jacob, based on the fact that Christian can be seen on the chair in the cabin.

There are clearly two people in the cabin during that scene...

The first is Christian Shepard, sitting in the chair. Aside from the fact that you can clearly see his face, the white tennis shoes he's wearing provides the icing on the cake.

The second person, the upclose eye that scares Hurley, is the Jacob we know from "The Man Behind the Curtain". In that episode, we see a flash of a man in the chair and then a flash of an eye, which is neither Ben's or Locke's (the only other characters in this scene). The eye and nose are very distinct and most definitely not of a character we've previously seen.


MAN IN CHAIR:
Man in chair in "The Man Behind the Curtain"
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e41/truffula/Season%20Three/jacob2.jpg

Man in chair in "The Beginning of the End" (lightened screen shot courtesy of Puply Austinite):
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5066/jacoblightersi9.jpg


EYES:
Here is the EYE from "The Man Behind the Curtain:
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/7349/snapshot20080201080648aa9.png

Here's the EYE from "The Beginning of the End":
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3861/snapshot20080201081515gl1.png


RECAP:
In "The Man Behind the Curtain", we see Jacob in the chair and a closeup of Jacob's eye.

In "The Beginning of the End", we see Christian in the chair and a closeup of Jacob's eye.

I think in TMBTC it was one person, but it was definately 2 in the beginning of the end.

It's always looked like Jacks eye to me...I more convinced then ever now.

I'm pretty sure the eye we see in TMBTC was Locke's. It was his eye widening in surprise at what he has just seen. The eye in TBoTE is an unknown person, possibly Jacob.

I can't open these links...is it just me?

The links work perfectly for me...

I'm voting with you, nofaith. Looks like Jacob's eye in both episodes, to me.

I think the person in the chair was Christian for the simple fact I think John Terry is listed in the credits of this episode in the ABC summary.

I've literally just watched the episode and I made a mental note to go back and freeze-frame that shot with the eye but my gut feeling tells me it was Locke, I can imagine that he might head back to Jacob's cabin after he knifed Naomi and he did show up pretty quickly after Hurley fell back in that ditch or tripped over the log, that scene was dark, I couldn't make out what happened exactly.

I think what Hurley saw as Christian is SMOKEY and he and JACOB were having a bit of a sit down to talk about what they're gonna do about these new people on the way.

I agree about it being Locke's eye last night.. that was my first thought as well.. he was hurt and went to the cabin to be healed. Because for a guy with a gunshot wound, he sure did seem up and about by the time the Lostie's picked sides and headed for Othersville.

I think from the photo evidence, it is clearly not Locke's eye. Here are the two possibilities I think are likely at the moment:

1. Smokie was manifesting as Christian Shepard and sitting in the chair. Which surprises me, because I just had the notion that Jacob was confined to that chair.

2. Jacob had previously possessed Christian Shepard's body, and left it in the chair. Then he was out of it when he glimpsed Hurley. Do we actually see the body move at all?

it's not locke's eye. lockes eyes are green/blue. those in the screencaps are obviously brown.

wonder what christian is doing in jacobs cabin. i'm thinking it's smokie but why would he take his shape as hurley has no idea who he is?!?!?!

It's Jacob's eye.

It's not Jack's eye. It's not Locke's eye. It's a totally different person -- Jacob. Jacob is NOT really Jack or Locke... he is Jacob, a separate and unique person.

DarkUFO has a great shot comparing Jacob's eye in seasons 3 and 4:
http://bp3.blogger.com/_n3eH1jI8AZ8/R6KXy3XEgXI/AAAAAAAACA8/cc_K-J-AafM/s1600-h/jacob-4x01.gif

Some recap person at TVGuide.com mentions the second person in the cabin as Mikhail... ?! Huh? What?

I think that the eye belongs to Michael.

I really don't think the eye looks like anyone's from the usual cast. It's an entirely new person who's playing Jacob.

Ok everyone listen:

In the commentary on the S3 dvd for man behind the curtain, Damon and Carlton confirm that they eye shown is indeed Jacob's eye. Assuming the eye seen last night is the same (which it did look exactly the same, especially if you look at comparison shots), then that was Jacob's eye too, not Lockes, not anyone elses.

Didn't we see the eye and the guy in the chair in the same shot? I've only seen it the once and I might be wrong but I thought the eye popped up while Jacob was sat in the chair, I thought Hurley was looking at the gut in the chair and then BLAM!

Not that that means it wasn't Jacob's eye, which it probably was given the similarity of the shot from TMBTC.

So what the frell is the "spirit" of Christian doing with Jacob?

I got the impression that Locke was in the cabin, and that it was his eye in the window. So Jacob/Christian and Locke?

Christian and Jacob were the ones in the cabin. They are separate people.

I looked at the comparison of "Jacob's eye" the first time and "Jacob's eye" this past time and I don't think that it is the same eye. I certainly agree it is not anyone else on the island but the two don't seem to match up in my opinion

Really? I thought they looked identical.

Mipanz,

Here is a side by side I posted a few posts ago:
http://bp3.blogger.com/_n3eH1jI8AZ8/R6KXy3XEgXI/AAAAAAAACA8/cc_K-J-AafM/s1600-h/jacob-4x01.gif

The season 3 eye is *confirmed* to be Jacob by TPTB. Do you really think the eye from last night looks like a different person?

NotAnOther89 has my back on all this I see... it almost doesn't seem worthy of debate. It's clearly the same person's eye and Jacob is clearly portrayed by a unique actor.

Sorry, I don't see that it is guaranteed to be the same person's eye. It's not a closed case yet. In fact, if you blow the season 4 eye up really big, you'll notice that there are green pixels. Almost like it is a green eye that has been shadowed from the light. Not to mention that this image has been enhanced digitally anyways. I thought it was Locke almost immediately upon seeing it during the episode. that's why he came out to meet Hurley. I think he was surprised that Hurley was seeing things as well.

Update--I just blew it up bigger. Man that is a GREEN EYE!

Sorry, I don't see that it is guaranteed to be the same person's eye. It's not a closed case yet. In fact, if you blow the season 4 eye up really big, you'll notice that there are green pixels. Almost like it is a green eye that has been shadowed from the light. Not to mention that this image has been enhanced digitally anyways. I thought it was Locke almost immediately upon seeing it during the episode. that's why he came out to meet Hurley. I think he was surprised that Hurley was seeing things as well.

Update--I just blew it up bigger. Man that is a GREEN EYE!

But since it has been confirmed the eye from man behind the curtain was Jacobs, why would they show someone else's eye that looks pretty much identical in exactly the same way, its meant to be Jacobs eye, otherwise it'd just be confusing since there is no way they could logically explain how that eye was someone else's and then not seem to contradict who they said it was earlier.

This is LOST. There are eye shots in every opening scene. Are we to infer that they are all the same person as well?

No..because they are clearly different people.

When there are only 2 scenes in the show so far that involve Jacobs cabin, and in both of those scenes there is a shot of an eye which when compared to each other are almost certainly the same, plus one has been confirmed to be Jacobs eye...it becomes clear.

But that is just what I feel..

I'm wondering, since we didn't see Christian move, is it the lifeless body of Christian that Jacob is using.
Sort of fleshy version of a containment suit.

On the season 3 dvd they said that the man playing Jacob was a member of the crew (not a cast member) standing to reason that an actor would have been hired by now. The eyes of jacob from 3 and shots of jacob from will probably never match.

So whatever happened to Christian's body. It has never been found on the Island and assuming the coffin in the cave in season 2 was a different coffin from a different crash, then they havent even found his coffin. So why the empty coffin and if this isnt Christians's coffin then are there two emtpy coffins? Has Christian been reanimanted?

Why are you assuming the coffin wasnt from the crash, there was wreckage and luggage from the plane all around it, Im pretty sure it was.

Why are you assuming the coffin wasnt from the crash, there was wreckage and luggage from the plane all around it, Im pretty sure it was.

Agreed. There is one empty coffin and it was Christian Shepard's from the flight 815 wreckage. We don't know what happened to his body.

Just something to think about that I haven't seen anyone post yet. Let's not forget why Jack was in Sidney to begin with, to retrieve his father's body. Then he finds the empty casket, which means Christian's body is MIA, so to speak. Without rewatching the scene (which I can't do because I'm at work) I can't say with certainty if we saw Christian move, but it's my feeling that it was either Christian's lifeless body in Jacob's chair, or Christian's formerly-lifeless body now inhabited (or soon to be inhabited) by Jacob. I see no other reason why Christian would be shown there, especially in that Hurley wouldn't recognize him.

EDIT: I'm pretty sure Jacob was confined to the cabin in some way by Ben, thus the "Help Me" to Locke in TMBTC. Could Jacob by trying to inhabit Christian's body to break this confinement? Or could he have somehow animated Christian's body to somehow carry out his commands, a la Smokey? Let's also remember that "Walt" appeared to Locke in the ditch, but I get the feeling this was either Jacob or was sent by Jacob, again a la Smokey. To me, "Walt" and "Christian" are the same "spirit" taking on two different forms.

EDIT AGAIN: just saw someone beat me to it regarding Christian's body. Nice. :)

Well you see him once, looking up, and then it cuts to hurley, and when it cuts back his head is looking down and hes in a slightly different position.

What if Jacob can take over dead bodies to walk about the land? That would explain Christian in the rocking chair, appearances by Boone and Eko's brother in past episodes, Charlie at the mental institution...

do you really think a corpse would look as good as it did after 91 days on a tropical island? who's to say Christian's body was in the coffin when they loaded it on the plane?

i'm pretty sure it was Locke's eye in the close up. Locke was getting further instructions from Jacob about how to help him, and he heard Hurley calling for help and snooping around the cabin. So Hurley runs away from the cabin after Locke scared him, and Locke came running after him to see what was up.

I agree with you! I was going to post this if no one else did. It seems to make sense to me.

Whoever it is, MOD EDIT it IS a large nose when compared to the eye.;) The obvious things, though: two in the cabin; the one in the chair is old Dr. Sheppard; the eye is either Jacob or Locke, but probably not one-in-the-same.

I haven't re-watched anything yet, nor do I have Tivo or anything. But just asking... didn't we last see Walt at the cabin talking to Locke (when Locke was in the ditch)? Could it have been his eye?

I have no idea...

No, the face definitely wasn't African American.

do you really think a corpse would look as good as it did after 91 days on a tropical island?

No offense, but it IS a weird island.

okay but i'm pretty sure it was Jacob in the chair... it's been established that that chair is Jacob's rocking chair. it was probably a tease that they used John Terry as the Jacob silhouette this time.

It didn't look like locke to me. Fisher Stevens was in the credits as a guest star along with john terry. i think the face was fisher stevens.

No, it was Jacks dad. LOOK AT THIS PLEASE:

http://cache.lostpedia.com/images/a/a5/Cap08.jpg

I think it looks like Dr Halowax.

It didn't look like locke to me. Fisher Stevens was in the credits as a guest star along with john terry. i think the face was fisher stevens.

Fisher Stevens I'm pretty sure was the guy they were talking to on the radio, Minkowski.

DarkUFO has a video of the scene in slow-mo here:
http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2008/02/hurley-jacob-christian-and-mystery-eye.html

The person in the chair is without a doubt Christian Shephard. You can see another person move in front of Christian, proving that there are two people involved in the shot. Look at the close-up figure... it's most definitely not any main character (not Jack or Desmond or Locke or Mikhail). It's Jacob, the same Jacob used in the cabin in season 3.

the guy who was talking on the phone and who parachuted onto the island was jeremy davies or jeff davies...he is not fisher stevens. Stevens is older anyway.

the guy who was talking on the phone and who parachuted onto the island was jeremy davies or jeff davies...he is not fisher stevens. Stevens is older anyway.

No, the guy on the phone was George Minkowski, played by Fisher Stevens.

But yes the parachuter was Jeremy Davies..

Mipanz,

Here is a side by side I posted a few posts ago:
http://bp3.blogger.com/_n3eH1jI8AZ8/R6KXy3XEgXI/AAAAAAAACA8/cc_K-J-AafM/s1600-h/jacob-4x01.gif

The season 3 eye is *confirmed* to be Jacob by TPTB. Do you really think the eye from last night looks like a different person?

NotAnOther89 has my back on all this I see... it almost doesn't seem worthy of debate. It's clearly the same person's eye and Jacob is clearly portrayed by a unique actor.

The eye from B.O.T.E. is CLEARLY that of John Locke, and is CLEARLY not the same as Jacob's eye from Man Behind the Curtain. Come on people...not that hard to tell them apart.

You can tell that that person has hair, it cant be John. And what do you mean its not hard to tell them apart? The two pictures look almost identical!

I think it IS Christian, not only because he is clearly visible for a couple of seconds, but also because John Terry was listed in the opening credits.

Anyways, as to this "other person", my guess is that it was Locke. He later said something to Hurley about Charlie that he shouldn't have known. How did he know this? He had been talking to Jacob!

But then the question is: How long has Jacob/Christian/whoever been on the island? If it IS Christian, then he can't have been there for years and years. Unless Jacob finds a way of embodying several different people or some crazy thing like that?

Anyways, as to this "other person", my guess is that it was Locke. He later said something to Hurley about Charlie that he shouldn't have known. How did he know this? He had been talking to Jacob!


No, he knows about Charlie because after he find Hurley, there is a commercial break and when the show comes back they are sitting there, presumably having been talking for a few minutes. Its reasonable to think Hurley told him about Charlie then. It just wasnt shown.

You can tell that that person has hair, it cant be John. And what do you mean its not hard to tell them apart? The two pictures look almost identical!
I totally agree! i have paused this on my tivo and it is not locke. he's really dark and dirty and has hair.

No, he knows about Charlie because after he find Hurley, there is a commercial break and when the show comes back they are sitting there, presumably having been talking for a few minutes. Its reasonable to think Hurley told him about Charlie then. It just wasnt shown.

Oh, okay. That makes sense, too, but I still think Locke was talking to Jacob. :D



The season 3 eye is *confirmed* to be Jacob by TPTB. Do you really think the eye from last night looks like a different person?


Where did you hear this, BTW?

No, the guy on the phone was George Minkowski, played by Fisher Stevens.

But yes the parachuter was Jeremy Davies..
Just wanted to know how you know minkowski is played by fisher stevens.

Where did you hear this, BTW?

Damon and Carlton confirmed it in the Man Behind the Curtain dvd commentary.

You can tell that that person has hair, it cant be John. And what do you mean its not hard to tell them apart? The two pictures look almost identical!

The shape of the eye is VERY different. Look closely. Also, look at the eyebrow. Jacob's is thin, and starts much lower than the other guy's. Look close at a screencap of Locke's eye, and compare it to the one from last night and you will see that they are much more similar than Jacob's and last night's eye.
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I totally agree! i have paused this on my tivo and it is not locke. he's really dark and dirty and has hair.

I'm only talking about the eye. Not the guy in the chair, who was obviously Christian.

The shape of the eye is VERY different. Look closely. Also, look at the eyebrow. Jacob's is thin, and starts much lower than the other guy's. Look close at a screencap of Locke's eye, and compare it to the one from last night and you will see that they are much more similar than Jacob's and last night's eye.
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I'm only talking about the eye. Not the guy in the chair, who was obviously Christian.

Thats what im referring to, the screen cap with the eye, it looks like the guy has hair on the side and maybe a beard.

I think from the photo evidence, it is clearly not Locke's eye. Here are the two possibilities I think are likely at the moment:

1. Smokie was manifesting as Christian Shepard and sitting in the chair. Which surprises me, because I just had the notion that Jacob was confined to that chair.

2. Jacob had previously possessed Christian Shepard's body, and left it in the chair. Then he was out of it when he glimpsed Hurley. Do we actually see the body move at all?

For me, this was the best post of the entire thread!

I'd go for number 2. I think the ring of ash around the cabin that we saw in TMBTC contains Jacob and isolates him to that cabin. But, he can use a body to leave. Can a 90+ days body look that good? Yemi's did, and his body had been on the island for a lot longer. He went from a skeleton with clothes to a perfect depiction of Eko's brother.

Where did you hear this, BTW?

S3 DVD commentary and post TMBTC interviews with Darlton

Just wanted to know how you know minkowski is played by fisher stevens.

Because that's his voice on the telephone and we had this news ages ago in the spoiler session

Regarding the whole debate aboutthe eye being Jacob's, Locke's or someone else's, I think it's Jacob's. I understand that many people want to be the first ones to guess a Lost mystery and the show has given us plenty of surprises in the past, but there have been plenty of straightforward scenes as well. Also, one thing the show has never done, in its three year run is have one character be some other character.

This scene is shot and constructed with the purpose of letting us know that it's Jacob whom Hurley sees. In TMBTC Ben and Locke approached the cabin, then they entered it, then Locke saw someone on that chair, then we got the shot of that person's eye. In TBOTE, Hurley approaches what we know is Jacob's cabin, he peeks inside and it's the same furniture, even the same paintings on the wall (the dog painting), then we see just the eye, as we saw in TMBTC.

Pretty straight forward composition and direction right there. The intent is very clear: Hurley stumbled upon Jacob's cabin and saw Jacob inside his house. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

When I watched the episode last night, I immediately assumed it was Jacob in the rocking chair and Locke's eye in the window. Seemed logical since it was Jacob's cabin, Locke knew how to get there and Locke caught up with Hurley right afterwards. HOWEVER...

After seeing that enhanced still of the person in the rocking chair and the slow-mo video clip at DarkUFO (http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2008/02/hurley-jacob-christian-and-mystery-eye.html), I cued up my DVR and rewatched the scene a few times in slow motion on the big screen. My verdict...

It definitely was Christian Shepherd in the rocking chair and it definitely was not Locke in the window. Holy cow. I've been converted to the "Christian Shepherd is alive" club! :biggrin: I'll also add that there were definitely 2 people in the cabin. When the face appears in the window, there's a moment when you see both people at the same time (the window person crosses in front of the rocking chair while Christian Shepherd is still in it).

I also noticed that the guy in the window seemed to have a messed up face -- something wrong with his nose and jaw or something. It wasn't Locke, that's all I know.

When I watched the episode last night, I immediately assumed it was Jacob in the rocking chair and Locke's eye in the window. Seemed logical since it was Jacob's cabin, Locke knew how to get there and Locke caught up with Hurley right afterwards. HOWEVER...

After seeing that enhanced still of the person in the rocking chair and the slow-mo video clip at DarkUFO (http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2008/02/hurley-jacob-christian-and-mystery-eye.html), I cued up my DVR and rewatched the scene a few times in slow motion on the big screen. My verdict...

It definitely was Christian Shepherd in the rocking chair and it definitely was not Locke in the window. Holy cow. I've been converted to the "Christian Shepherd is alive" club! :biggrin: I'll also add that there were definitely 2 people in the cabin. When the face appears in the window, there's a moment when you see both people at the same time (the window person crosses in front of the rocking chair while Christian Shepherd is still in it).

I also noticed that the guy in the window seemed to have a messed up face -- something wrong with his nose and jaw or something. It wasn't Locke, that's all I know.

Noooo, lol, hes not "alive", but he was seen there.

Guys, you are looking into this too deeply.

The guy in the chair in the episode "The man Behind the Curtain", is Jacob. The eye and the man in the chair is Jacob.

In the Season Primere of Season Four, the Man in the chair is Jack's Father (Christian Shepard), the eye that freaked Hurley (and myself) is Jacob's eye. The man in the chair was definatelly Jack's father no doubt, you can tell by the shoes that he was wearing, those are doctor shoes (white shoes).

I think Jacob can control people's visions or bring up spirits or something like that. BUT THE MAN IN THE CHAIR WAS JACK'S FATHER CHRISTIAN SHEPARD

Guys, you are looking into this too deeply.

The guy in the chair in the episode "The man Behind the Curtain", is Jacob. The eye and the man in the chair is Jacob.

In the Season Primere of Season Four, the Man in the chair is Jack's Father (Christian Shepard), the eye that freaked Hurley (and myself) is Jacob's eye. The man in the chair was definatelly Jack's father no doubt, you can tell by the shoes that he was wearing, those are doctor shoes (white shoes).

I always thought they looked more like tennis shoes. ;)

I'd pay to sit in that cabin and see wtf Jacob and Christian are doing hanging out together. Can you imagine that in a next Locke episode where he goes to meet the daddies?

Hello, I'm new to the forums.

I don't know if any of you have seen the lost mobisodes. If you didn't, please don't read any further, there's a spoiler ahead. Maybe this was brought up before. In that case, I apologise.

One of the mobisodes shows Vincent (the dog) right after the plane crash, in the woods (the camera is a POV of Vincent), the dog finds Jack's father and he's alive and well. Christian says to the dog something like "I need you to go find my son, he's over there in that bamboo forest. Unconscious. I need you to go wake him up. ok?". The dog goes. Christian says "yeah, there's work to do". Then we see Jack's eyes opening (from "pilot") and the dog finds him. This mobisode is called "So it begins". http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/missingpieces/index?pn=index
This makes two things pretty clear:
1) Christian Sheppard is alive
2) Christian Sheppard IS Christian Sheppard, otherwise he wouldn't have said "my son".

I'm sure the man in the chair in TBOTE is Jack's father (white shoes!) but I don't think he's actually Jacob possesing Christian's corpse. I think Jacob is the man in the window that scares Hurley.

Polidoro, Welcome to the Fuse.

There's a Forum for discussing the mobisodes right here (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/forumdisplay.php?f=375), if you want to discuss them further.

For me, this was the best post of the entire thread!

I'd go for number 2. I think the ring of ash around the cabin that we saw in TMBTC contains Jacob and isolates him to that cabin. But, he can use a body to leave. Can a 90+ days body look that good? Yemi's did, and his body had been on the island for a lot longer. He went from a skeleton with clothes to a perfect depiction of Eko's brother.


so Jacob can regenerate organic flesh and clothing to take on their form? and Jack's dad, 91 days decomposed on the island, was regenerated by Jacob and talking to Jacob? why would Jacob take over Christian's body and then talk to himself?

i realize an end all answer to Lost mysteries is "anything can happen on the island" but that's too vague. when has anything this far-fetched happened on the show? notice how every mystery has a faith based explanation and science based explanation to it. the only exception would be Locke's legs working. but many often postulated theories involving worm holes, time loops and corpse reanimation seem to cross the line of suspendable disbelief that the writers put into every episode. and we have more prerequesite information indicating that it was Locke and Jacob in the cabin. and Terry O'Quinn has green eyes. and the eye the looked at Hurley through the window looks an awful lot like Locke's eye whenever he's frightened or surprised.

Polidoro, Welcome to the Fuse.

There's a Forum for discussing the mobisodes right here (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/forumdisplay.php?f=375), if you want to discuss them further.

Thanks for the link! I hope I didn't break any rules with my comments about that particular mobisode. I thought it was fitting. :)

so Jacob can regenerate organic flesh and clothing to take on their form? and Jack's dad, 91 days decomposed on the island, was regenerated by Jacob and talking to Jacob? why would Jacob take over Christian's body and then talk to himself?

i realize an end all answer to Lost mysteries is "anything can happen on the island" but that's too vague. when has anything this far-fetched happened on the show? notice how every mystery has a faith based explanation and science based explanation to it. the only exception would be Locke's legs working. but many often postulated theories involving worm holes, time loops and corpse reanimation seem to cross the line of suspendable disbelief that the writers put into every episode. and we have more prerequesite information indicating that it was Locke and Jacob in the cabin. and Terry O'Quinn has green eyes. and the eye the looked at Hurley through the window looks an awful lot like Locke's eye whenever he's frightened or surprised.

When has anything that far fetched happened on the show? When a smoke monster murdered Eko, I'd say. When Richard didn't age, when Locke got to walk again, when Naomi didn't die of a lung puncture wound, When Charlie showed up at Santa Rosa and the other inmate could see him, when 60+ people survived a plane crash that ought to have killed them without so much as a broken toe.

I'd rather have Jacob or smokey use CS' body as a means of transportation, if you will, than invalidate the powerful dramatic arc of the Jack character by having his father being alive, after all.

But I would agree that the evidence can be interpreted in many different ways. However, from the screenshots that have been linked, and from Darlton's comentary that Jacob is played by someone who is not cast, but crew, I still say that is not Locke's eye at all. And I would also say that Locke being there after Hurley's encounter with Jacob's cabin is not at all conclusive. So, he was there, how many times have people just been there for no particular reason?. Why did they all casually found each other at the cockpit for that matter? Some things happen because it's TV. They needed the different survivor groups to meet at some point, and they needed Jack and Kate at the cockpit so they could talk about the time they went to the cockpit with Charlie and Jack could ask "How did this happen?" It's done for dramatic effect.

Thanks for the link! I hope I didn't break any rules with my comments about that particular mobisode. I thought it was fitting. :)

Nope, you didn't break any rules, I was just sort of showing you around the place ;) , in case you were interested in visiting the discussion threads related to that topic.

When has anything that far fetched happened on the show? When a smoke monster murdered Eko, I'd say. When Richard didn't age, when Locke got to walk again, when Naomi didn't die of a lung puncture wound, When Charlie showed up at Santa Rosa and the other inmate could see him, when 60+ people survived a plane crash that ought to have killed them without so much as a broken toe.


but certain "far fetched" events make sense in the internal logic of the show.

- smokey murdering eko, well that has happened a lot before and we accept that there's a smoke creature going aroudn the island even if we don't know much about it.
- richard not aging, locke walking after being paralyzed, and desmond's visions is about as "out there" as i think the show will get. but a spirit that can possess a dead body, reanimate it and regenerate its decomposed flesh and reconstruct its clothing is a bit too elaborate i think. i'm still with the theory that smokey is a shapeshifter and can look like whoever or whatever it wants to or needs to. it knows what form it should take cause it can read your mind and take snapshots of your memory.
- charlie showing up at santa rosa - again, we accept ghosts in the show because we've seen ben's mom and jack's dad among others

I think it is Charlie staring out of the broken window at the end of this scene. The man appears to be wearimg a hood (remember Charlie and his hoodie jacket) and it fits with the recurring theme in the episode of Hurley having visions of Charlie he is running away from.

Sure, the face doesn't look like the Charlie Pace we know. Well, give me break! The poor boy just drowned.earlier in the day, so of course his face is going to be a little puffy. Sheesh! (This is the best pre-emptive defense I could come up with, so sue me :huh: )

The eye that pops up most likely is Jacob. That eye looks VERY similar to the one they showed in TMBTC. It's definitely NOT Locke. Locke's face looks nothing at all like the face of that man, it's very obvious if you just look at it. And so what if John was there and found Hurley, that doesn't mean anything.

I think it's reasonable to suggest that it could possibly be Charlie in the cabin, and I guess we could now call him Island Charlie. Think about it. He appears in Hurley's hallucination in the FF, twice. He obviously is haunting Hurley somehow. This would make sense. BUT I'm gonna say it was Jacob. Because you see Christian sitting in the chair and if it was Jacob which I think the way they did it they were saying...THIS IS JACOB...was to simply answer the question that would be on everyone's mind...Is Jacob actually CS???...he couldn't be if he was sitting there and then popped up all of sudden.

Who frikin knows man I don't HAHA....but that's what I love about this show. I can't wait to find out...AND we will find out...maybe not anytime soon...lol...but we will at some point.

I kinda thought these eyes looked like Mikhael's (sp?). They only show one eye, which would make sense because he only has one eye, and besides that, it kinda looks like him, if his eye was wide.

I kinda thought these eyes looked like Mikhael's (sp?). They only show one eye, which would make sense because he only has one eye, and besides that, it kinda looks like him, if his eye was wide.

But Michael is African American, and the skin around the eye didn't look as dark as Michael's skin.

But Michael is African American, and the skin around the eye didn't look as dark as Michael's skin.

No...I mean Mikael, the eye-patch guy. I just don't know how to spell his name.

No...I mean Mikael, the eye-patch guy. I just don't know how to spell his name.

Ah! Sorry about the misunderstanding. His name is spelled Mikhail. It's probably one of those we'll need to learn how to spell so people don't get confused. :biggrin:

You can always call him Patchy (for the eye patch), which is how everyone knew him around here, before we found out his name.

Back on topic, I think Mikhail is finally dead, though. Also, TPTB confirmed that Jacob was an independant character, played by someone from the crew (not someone from the cast, which are all the people we have seen on the screen), and the fact they showed us the same cabin that Locke visited with Ben, leads me to believe that it's Jacob's eye.

I think they want to keep jacob a mystery, so we won't see his face or hear him speak again for a while.

No..because they are clearly different people.

When there are only 2 scenes in the show so far that involve Jacobs cabin, and in both of those scenes there is a shot of an eye which when compared to each other are almost certainly the same, plus one has been confirmed to be Jacobs eye...it becomes clear.

But that is just what I feel..

Huh? Why is there logic in that?

The pictures are far from conclusive -- and the fact that there are two eyes in two different scenes means nothing. In the first episode, it appeared that Jacob was confined to the chair. How does he get to the window?

Eye is Locke's. Only thing that makes sense. But then again, Lost doesn't always make sense

I think that the fact that Christian was on the chair (a face we're very familiar with) is a clue. We KNOW Christian, so we definately know that the eye we see is NOT HIS.
Back in Season 3 we had never seen Jacob so we assumed that the eye belonged to the figure sitting on the chair. Now they're giving us a clue. They're saying that Jacob is never the person sitting on the chair, only the EYE is Jacob.

Also, when the creators said that Jacob was played by someone from the crew, it always made me wonder. Did it mean that we'll never really have a Jacob episode?
Now, what if they were only talking about the person on the chair but NOT the eye and they just never mentioned that the eye does not belong to the man on the chair?
Unless they have also confirmed that and I just missed it (in which case, sorry).

If we were to post a poll, what candidates should we list in the poll. I say, in no particular order:

Locke
Hurley (Hurley sees himself.)
Charlie (My personal pick)
Mikhail
Jacob (like from TMBTC)

Am I missing anybody?

Just because Jack's father and Jacob were the ones we saw does not mean that Locke may not have also been in the cabin too. We just may not have seen him in there.

I assumed it was Locke's eye both times, and in TBOTE he'd come to visit Jacob for answers. It was certainly his eye in TMBTC.

But the Christian=Smokey idea works for me, and him and Jacob are having a chat (or something).

The guy in the chair in the episode "The man Behind the Curtain", is Jacob. The eye and the man in the chair is Jacob.

In the Season Primere of Season Four, the Man in the chair is Jack's Father (Christian Shepard), the eye that freaked Hurley (and myself) is Jacob's eye. The man in the chair was definatelly Jack's father no doubt, you can tell by the shoes that he was wearing, those are doctor shoes (white shoes).


Yes, window man was Jacob, Christian is not Jacob:

Darlton interview, December 2007:

Quote from Darlton interview: (http://www.movieweb.com/dvd/news/96/23096.php)

Do you already know which actor will play the mysterious Jacob? And, was there any episode in which Jacob appeared before he was met by Locke?

Carlton Cuse: Yes, we do know how Jacob will be depicted. Notice the careful wording of my answer. No, Jacob did not appear before he was met by Locke.We saw Christian numerous times before Locke encountered Jacob in TMBtC.


In the mobisodes threads, I posted that I think Jacob is Christian's father and Jack's grandfather.
After seeing this episode, I feel even more strongly so.
Hurley saw Pa Shepard and Grandpa Shepard in the cabin.

ok, ok. I just went to that link with the slow-mo video and I call shenanigans. There is NO WAY that the pic of Christian was derived from that footage. The footage of the face is completely dark( probably digitally done, on purpose) , there are NO highlights to bring out. Whoever photoshopped that Christian pic is pretty good, though.

For the record: I read on another site someone's opinion that the face that popped up was Charlie with his hood up. That makes sense to me.

For the record: I read on another site someone's opinion that the face that popped up was Charlie with his hood up. That makes sense to me.

It does make a kind of sense. But Charlie's not Jacob either..

It's possible the ash circle is gone - maybe taken away by Locke, in an attempt to "help" Jacob. If so, perhaps any spirit/whatevers can wander in and out of the cabin. Or if the circle was restraining the cabin, maybe it's floating around in the nether..

Charlie's been dead long enough, I guess, that he could have gone to the cabin and 'summoned' Hurley. That'd put Charlie more in the category of ghost or zombie than time-traveler.
I don't think it's Charlie - but, there ya go..

I wanted to bring a post from another thread (in this forum) that pretty much clearly lays to rest ALL of this discussion about the eye -- as you'll see, the crew member portraying Jacob has been identified and it is HIS eye used in these episodes, NOT Locke's, NOT Desmond's, not anybody else's -- all of this discussion, though spirited, is way off on the wrong track, at least for the time being. Both times we've seen Jacob's eye (and yes it's Christian in the chair in 4x01) it has been portrayed by the crew member. You would think if the intention was to have it be Locke's eye, they would actually, you know, USE Locke's eye.

Okay, look...

http://en.lostpedia.com/wiki/Rob_Kyker
Rob Kyker is Lost's prop master on the production crew. He played Jacob in 'The Man Behind the Curtain'. Jacob wasn't officially cast yet. They used Rob Kyker again for 'The Beginning of the End', because he's still not cast.

Now look at this, Jacob's eye from the previous episode, with the eye from the window in this episode superimposed over it:
http://www.imagehosting.com/show.php/1550769_jacob.gif.html


It's the same eye. Rob Kyker's eye. Jacob's eye. End of story.

I wanted to bring a post from another thread (in this forum) that pretty much clearly lays to rest ALL of this discussion about the eye --

Are you aware there are ongoing discussions saying Jack is not Jack, and Des is not Des? Nothing that's laid to rest on Lost stays at rest for long...

I'm pretty sure that the eye is good ole Patchy's only orb. Nobody knows where he disappeared to after he did Charlie in and we know he is one tough s.o.b. Maybe he went to the cabin to get answers straight from the horse's mouth.

Thanks for the screencaps of the eyes. Definitely not Locke's eye. I like the theory of both eyes belonging to Jacob. So why was Christian there and showing himself to Hurley? Does anyone remember if Hurley had seen Christian before?

Thanks for the screencaps of the eyes. Definitely not Locke's eye. I like the theory of both eyes belonging to Jacob. So why was Christian there and showing himself to Hurley? Does anyone remember if Hurley had seen Christian before?

No, he hasn't. Well, not that we know of. But from the last mobisode, we know Vincent has seen Christian, so he's definitely not just Jack's hallucination.
I like the theory that Jacob used to be "Jake", Christian's father. :biggrin:

I'm pretty sure that the eye is good ole Patchy's only orb. Nobody knows where he disappeared to after he did Charlie in and we know he is one tough s.o.b. Maybe he went to the cabin to get answers straight from the horse's mouth.

Mikhail's dead, the writers confirmed he exploded along with his grenade.

It was Christian. Observe the following picture. Follows with the mobile episode showing him alive, either resurrected by Jacob, or controlled by him.
http://cache.lostpedia.com/images/a/a5/Cap08.jpg

Based on the post by gutsdozer showing the wikipedia entry about the crew member along with the eye images superimposed over each other, I'm convinced that Hurley was seeing Jacob's eye as Jacob came into the shot in front of Christian. All the other theories are debunked as far as I'm concerned.

I'm saying it's not Locke.
I think we were set-up for when Locke first saw Jacob (remember the eye looking around?).
I think that was a "prelude" to seeing his eye again.

I don't know if Jacob is the eye in the window, but if he is then he can't be inhabiting the body of Christian (you can see Christian sitting in the chair as the eye appears). And that would lead me to believe that he's also not inhabiting the body of Charlie either.

In this same episode, we have Charlie telling Hurley "I am dead, but I'm also here." And we also see that Christian is in a similar situation. He is dead, but also there.

The only connection we have between these two incidents is Hurley -- he's the one who saw them both (and also made them both disappear!). We know Hurley couldn't have hallucinated Christian because he's never seen him before. So Christian was, somehow, actually sitting there in that cabin. And since Charlie didn't look the same as Hurley would have remembered him (different hair, different clothes), I don't think Charlie could have been a hallucination either.

So whatever the explanation, it's something to do with Hurley.

I'm starting to think there's something very peculiar about this island :D

From the screencaps, they are identical eyes.

I'm starting to think Jacob is pulling a Psycho with the dead of the Island...he needs company? Or what...???

That eye just got people's attention...I know it's not a diversion, but perhaps TPTB want us to start speculating about someting (The eye) that will be explored later on...
Seems we should be trying to focus on why the freighties are after Ben...but here we are talking about a very intriguing eye...:biggrin: ;)

Eric

The eye looks the same as the one seen in The Man Behind the Curtain.

I would not say the eyes from the two episodes are identical. I think the eye belongs to Miles Straum, the ghost whisperer. The shape of the eye, eyebrow contour, hairline and traces of a sparse moustache look a great deal like his features.

I would not say the eyes from the two episodes are identical. I think the eye belongs to Miles Straum, the ghost whisperer. The shape of the eye, eyebrow contour, hairline and traces of a sparse moustache look a great deal like his features.
I'd disagree with that 100%, it's clearly not him. Also, you should be using spoiler text for that person, as he is not around in this episode.