I wonder why nobody asked where all the Others went and Im curious as to when Ben might reveal where the Others are(you think he'd want to join "his" people esp. if he felt in danger) and dang it! I wanna see where the Temple is and what it looks like!!!!!

Is it a Temple left over from the original Islanders or is it a Dharma invention???



I just wonder if Ben will get Locke's group & his (the Others)group together(could be why not everyone gets off the Island??)

The temple and the four toed statue are ideas that I want to know more about. Obviously I believe they are connected and part of the ancient civilization that lived there -- NOT Dharma.

I have no doubt the Temple others will come into play very soon. The fact that they weren't mentioned yet is becasue alot is going on and it wouldn't necessarily be the first thing that comes into conversation.

This begs a really interesting question, Ben calls it "The Temple" as if the first word were as important as the 2nd.

Is The Temple a station like The Flame, The Swan, The Perl, The Staff, The Arrow, The Looking Glass, The Orchid, The Hydra, etc?

Or

Is The Temple an actual temple, maybe related to the four toed statue?

I'm going for the former.

This is something I've really wanted to see, the Others moving towards the temple, and who's actually left to go there. Certainly some of the tailies-turned-others, but Mr. Friendly was killed in TTLG, more Others were killed in TTLG...I'm sure Richard Alpert and Ethan are headed there, but I'm interested in who else is going.

This is something I've really wanted to see, the Others moving towards the temple, and who's actually left to go there. Certainly some of the tailies-turned-others, but Mr. Friendly was killed in TTLG, more Others were killed in TTLG...I'm sure Richard Alpert and Ethan are headed there, but I'm interested in who else is going.

Um, dude... Ethan died about three seasons ago.

Um, dude... Ethan died about three seasons ago.

Ohhhh yeah. I remember, now.

Im on board with the Temple being a station.

A new hatch in S4...Could be interesting.

Actually I believe the Temple to be a stone pyramid or something perhaps buried in the ground like a hatch but NOT a DI station. I enviion towering columns and staircases leading down into a torch-lit "city" below ground . . . maybe like a bunker.

That's just my imagination though . . . .

Actually I believe the Temple to be a stone pyramid or something perhaps buried in the ground like a hatch but NOT a DI station. I enviion towering columns and staircases leading down into a torch-lit "city" below ground . . . maybe like a bunker.

That's just my imagination though . . . .

I like it! Kind of in the style of that place they had Cooper tied up to? Only more majestic!

I like it! Kind of in the style of that place they had Cooper tied up to? Only more majestic!

Yeah! Exactly.

Perhaps the last complete remains of the culture that once lived there. I have a feeling we will learn that some of the others are from that culture. Alpert, for instance, seems to never have aged. :eek2:

I think The Temple is probably underground
and part of the original inhabitants society

I tried to see if any mention of a temple
or something that could be interpreted as a Temple
was on the Blast Door Map
but haven't seen anything like that
Even a Hatch that could be viewed as The Temple
oh well I will try again
after all we have 4 days and 22 hours to go
till the NEW eppy comes on

Um, dude... Ethan died about three seasons ago.


LOL! And on his first post too. Welcome to the Fuselage.

I'm really hoping it's a temple, as in, Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, not another Dharma Station. That doesn't mean I dont want more Dharma Stations. One or two more would be cool...

I have no doubt the Temple others will come into play very soon.

I totally agree! They are kind of "flying under the radar" right now, but I believe they will play a significant role later this season or next. I don't think the Temple is a Dharma station, but that's just my opinion.

The question is, why did they go to the Temple instead of the Barracks? Does the Temple provide greater protection from this new threat to the island? Will the Others and the Losties team up to combat this new threat? There's still a lot to be learned, but I can't wait to see how it plays out!

I've been doing some research and I have come across some very interesting articles. I assume most of them have been discussed here some other time.

We know that egyptian mythology has ties with the island, so what if the Temple is the library where The Halls of Records (http://www.mysterious-america.net/hallofrecords.html) are hidden?


Other that the records of ancient civilizations, the Hall of Records holds many treasures that revealed the accomplishments of mankind. Among them were thin metal discs on which various "Documentation" was transcribe. Such metal recordings indicated that music was the key to the universe and life on the planets. There are recordings of music for every possible phase of man's life. There is music to soothe the savage beast. Music which can even anger. Music to march off to war with. The greatest treasure is found in the strange but enchanting music that is designed to cure all known illnesses!

http://www.pakhomov.com/winston.htm

The second hall of records, according to Cayce, was established in a temple erected on the island of Poseidia. The Cayce readings specifically stated that Poseidia was a large island with the small Bahamas island of Bimini cited as one of the highest portions of that island. Since 1968, intense efforts have been made around Bimini to find the temple. According to Cayce, the temple was sunk during the cataclysm that destroyed Atlantis.


And there is more, much more!!! A Time Machine is supposed to be located inside the Hall of Records!!!

The famous "Time Machine" is next. It is sitting in an antechamber on the third floor. It contains one giant-sized metallic ring that measures roughly 25 feet in diameter and is more than 6 feet deep. On its base, in the exact center of its deep tubular ring, there is a square marking. On both sides of this ring are banks of computerized dials, buttons, lights and a viewing screen 4 feet square. The markings are like a set of hieroglyphics.


In addition to these artifacts of which only a few have been mentioned, additional records contain histories of our universe. One set of records lists the location of seven pyramids around the world which are connected magnetically. They are also connected by underground tunnels. Beings can lay down and get in a capsule and travel at 1200 miles per hour to these pyramids and inhabited cities of our Inner Earth, including two cities beneath our oceans. These 7 pyramids were built thousands of years ago and all are identical in size and contain duplicates of the records and artifacts in Giza.


The seven pyramids constructed in key global locations are inter-connected. They were built for specific purposes. The Mother Center is the central area for the treasured records and artifacts from the beginning of all creation to the ultimate end. This tomb, which we have detailed previously, is similar to the capsules that are currently buried in various parts of the world contains samplings of our history, our knowledge, our technology and our style of life. These capsules, placed deep in the earth, with blueprints located in Washington, are for any possible survivors of this civilization that might endure the coming holocost

Interesting stuff Fierro!!! Well done.

Your reasearch reminds me of these disks found in the Himalayan Mountains (if I remember correctly) called the Dropa Stones. They were stone records and were hidden in caves next to the remains of very small humanoids (most believe to be aliens.) The Dropa stones and bodies disappeared of course.

This is what Wiki had to say about it:


Discovery

According to Däniken, one Chi Pu Tei (Chinese), a professor of archeology at Beijing University, in 1938 was on an expedition with his students to explore a series of caves in the Bayan Kara Ula range of the Himalayan mountains, near Qinghai region. Däniken claims that the caves appeared to have been artificially carved into a system of tunnels and underground storerooms, with walls that were squared and glazed, as if cut into the mountain with great heat.

The explorers are said by Däniken to have found many neat rows of tombs with short 138 cm skeletons buried within. The skeletons had abnormally big heads, and small, thin, fragile bodies. A member of the team suggested that these might be the remains of an unknown species of mountain gorilla. Prof. Chi Pu Tei was said to respond, "Who ever heard of apes burying one another?"

There were no epitaphs at the graves, but instead hundreds of 30 cm wide stone discs - referred to as Dropa Stones - each with a 20 mm hole in their centers. Each stone disk was said to be inscribed with two fine grooves spiraling from the edge to a hole in the disk's center, resembling the Phaistos Disk. The disks were labeled along with other finds of the expedition and stored away at Beijing University for 20 years, during which deciphering attempts were unsuccessful.

Däniken further claimes that the disks were closely examined by one Dr.Tsum Um Nui of Beijing around 1958, who concluded that each groove actually consisted of a series of tiny hieroglyphs of unknown pattern and origin. The rows of hieroglyphs were so small that a magnifying glass was needed to see them clearly. Many of the hieroglyphics had been worn away by erosion. When Dr. Tsum somehow deciphered the symbols, they told the story of the crash-landing of the Dropa spaceship and the killing of most of the survivors by local people.


According to Däniken, one of the lines of the hieroglyphs reads,"The Dropas came down from the clouds in their aircraft. Our men, women and children hid in the caves ten times before sunrise. When at last they understood the sign language of the Dropas, they realized that the newcomers had peaceful intentions…"
Another section expresses "regret" by the Ham that the aliens' craft had crash-landed in such a remote and inaccessible mountain range and that there had been no way to build a new one to enable the Dropas to return to their own planet.

"Tsum Um Nui" is not a real Chinese name and it has been suggested it was either fictitious or was a Japanese name that was transliterated into Chinese, though the syllable "Um" is not phonologically possible in the Japanese language.

Interesting stuff Fierro!!! Well done.

Your reasearch reminds me of these disks found in the Himalayan Mountains (if I remember correctly) called the Dropa Stones. They were stone records and were hidden in caves next to the remains of very small humanoids (most believe to be aliens.) The Dropa stones and bodies disappeared of course.

This is what Wiki had to say about it:

nice stuff, too. No doubt that there are ancient civilizations involved in the history of the island. We have seen 'ruins', sacrifice altars, a four-toed statue, mysterious natives, egyptian symbols, etc.
Now, if the Temple is actually a Pyramid, we will start making even more interesting connections....The answers are coming....;)


BTW, doesn't that Dropa Stones tale remind you of Adam and Eve?

Yeah, Adam and Eve being found in the cave. That's an under-rated mystery that doesn't get much play. I think we'll probably never learn who they were.

As for the pyramid -- I think the temple may be an underground or at least partially buried pyramid. And your ideas about the records are spot on IMO. An important situation such as the island would definitely need to be recorded for future generations.

The temple is a very important and exciting concept IMO and I hope is revealed to us this season.

Yeah, Adam and Eve being found in the cave. That's an under-rated mystery that doesn't get much play. I think we'll probably never learn who they were.

As for the pyramid -- I think the temple may be an underground or at least partially buried pyramid. And your ideas about the records are spot on IMO. An important situation such as the island would definitely need to be recorded for future generations.

The temple is a very important and exciting concept IMO and I hope is revealed to us this season.
Well, if such hall of records with knowledge of that magnitude is hidden on the island, there you have the answer to WHY it is so important to be protected from outsiders.

I absolutely agree!

In one of these threads -- can't remember which now -- I stated that I believe ultimately, despite all the lying and manipulation, that Ben and the others are the "good guys."

More Egyptian interesting connections....


http://books.google.com/books?id=ioXXW15VWGgC&pg=PA216&lpg=PA216&dq=island+of+trampling&source=web&ots=EOIv_WqGb-&sig=pnCPrJ9aj0rvDi-vvITogA1CHwI

Basically, there was an island called 'Island of Trampling' where mythical creatures used to live. The island was submerged due to 'battle', turning into a huge tomb for its divine inhabitants.

Interestingly enough, this might be the origin of the UNDERWORLD. These submerged islands were lately refered to as Islands of the Blessed or Fortunate Islands.
These are all mythical islands where the souls of dead people descend after death.
This is also the direction I've taken lately to explain the occurrences on the island. It's much easier and simple than the quantum way!!!

Whatever happened to the "Others" that left the compound with Ben?:confused:

They headed for The Temple with Richard.

I think The Temple is probably underground
and part of the original inhabitants society

I tried to see if any mention of a temple
or something that could be interpreted as a Temple
was on the Blast Door Map
but haven't seen anything like that
Even a Hatch that could be viewed as The Temple
oh well I will try again
after all we have 4 days and 22 hours to go
till the NEW eppy comes on

However the Blast Door map was painted by the Kelvin Inman (the guy in the hatch with Des)- perhaps he didn't know of all of the stations. Perhaps the Temple is the main Dharma Station?

a few died on the beach aswell

What if the temple station is a station where they investigate psychic activity.

1. Anatomy. the flattened region on either side of the forehead in human beings.

This begs a really interesting question, Ben calls it "The Temple" as if the first word were as important as the 2nd.

Is The Temple a station like The Flame, The Swan, The Perl, The Staff, The Arrow, The Looking Glass, The Orchid, The Hydra, etc?

Or

Is The Temple an actual temple, maybe related to the four toed statue?

I'm going for the former.
I'm hoping that it's an actual Temple, that's related to the four toed statue. I'm curious about that statue, so some kind of answer about it would be welcome for me.

I'm hoping that it's an actual Temple, that's related to the four toed statue. I'm curious about that statue, so some kind of answer about it would be welcome for me.

I agree 100% That is one mystery I NEED to see adressed at some point before the end of the series.

ok, this island is supposed to be somewhere in indonesia how does egyptology play in unless its DI research? that statue foot looked more pelyponesian to me than egyption.

Im wonderring if the temple is near there, along with that rock with square hole that was the reference point to the fake others camp

ok, this island is supposed to be somewhere in indonesia how does egyptology play in unless its DI research? that statue foot looked more pelyponesian to me than egyption.

Im wonderring if the temple is near there, along with that rock with square hole that was the reference point to the fake others camp

There's no definite proof on where the island is, really. So far it could be in the pacific or in the indian ocean. Or it could be in neither.
As far as the Egyptian roots...

Well, we have the Swan's hieroglyphs. Which, by the way, translate to UNDERWORLD. And lately, on the s3 DVD set, it is said that the island might have ties with Egyptian mythology. Also, the 4-toed statue could be from many different civilizations. To me it looked Roman. But I have seen pictures of Egyptian statues and some of them look awfully similar to the one on the show.
Also, the ancient Egyptian civilization is one of the most mysterious of the world, it could go very well with the show itself.

ok i can buy that. here is a screen of the foot to chew on. my bet on the rest of the statue, it was used for target practice by the navy during WW2.

http://www.tvsquad.com/media/2006/05/bigfoot4toes.JPG

I wonder what happened to the other foot? Better yet where's the remnants of the rest of the statue i.e. body, head etc...:undecide:

Could the Temple be an old Dharma Station that could be used like a bomb shelter to keep them safe?

Could the Temple be an old Dharma Station that could be used like a bomb shelter to keep them safe?


Hmmm. It seems to me that whatever it is, it has to be a safer place. Ben thinks the others are gonna be safe from the new people in there, after all. So an underground location would be pretty appropiate.

The Temple.....Anyone see Young Sherlock Holmes? That had an old Egyptian temple built underground in England. And the secret Egyptian society met at this temple and would perform ritualistic sacrifice.

I don't think The Temple is there for sacrifices but I would like to see if something like from the movie Young Sherlock Holmes. That would be neat.

First off, Locke's father was a human sacrifice to the island. That is exactly what we saw.

Secondly, beware of ANY references to Erich von Däniken theories. These 1938 visits to the Himalayas were acknowledged fraudulent Nazi war propaganda.

Some of this is discussed here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_archaeology

Daniken was not a Nazi, but his work continued the Nazi theory that non-white cultures were unable to create the pyramids because they were too unsophisticated so they HAD to have help. It's not just nuts, it's got massive racist overtones based on fraudulent Nazi archeology. Beware and be aware when discussing these kinds of things.

I hope that the Temple set is really grandiose because that would be a huge surprise.

ya, where is the temple - was that ever specifically pointed out?? is it on our island? and how many of the others are there still left wherever richard and the others are? and where did the children from the tailies go, are they presumably with them? AND these aren't even a drop of rain in that ocean view of questions I have! :)

ya, where is the temple - was that ever specifically pointed out??


Not yet.


is it on our island?

Presumably

and how many of the others are there still left wherever richard and the others are?

If you go back and watch "Man Behind the Curtain, I didn't see many. Maybe 20?

and where did the children from the tailies go, are they presumably with them?

yes.

My question is are the others going to be as much of a threat as they once were? All of the others loyal to Ben were killed off over the course of season 3 and Pryce and his "10 best" were killed so the others have no army. So they are not a fearsome enemy anymore but a scared people on the run, scared of perceived danger from the freighter and shell shocked by the fact that an inferior enemy they underestimated dealt them such a high deadly toll. I would like to see a flashback to when the others heard Hurley's taunts over the walkie talkie. I don't think we'll hear from them for a while because the show will focus on the freighties for now.

My question is are the others going to be as much of a threat as they once were?

My question is - Were the Others ever a threat? ;)

They're currently at the Temple, but given how short the distances appear to be on this island (Goodwin only took 10-15 minutes to get from Others Village to the Tail Section crash site), I'd say it's a safe bet that we'll be seeing them soon. It won't take Locke long to reach them if he needs them.

Actually I believe the Temple to be a stone pyramid or something perhaps buried in the ground like a hatch but NOT a DI station. I enviion towering columns and staircases leading down into a torch-lit "city" below ground . . . maybe like a bunker.

That's just my imagination though . . . .

Were sharing the same line of thinking!!!!
I also need to know why its safer than Othersville etc.........That really intrigues me........

I don't believe we'll see the others traveling to The Temple because they're using
underground tunnels(imo). It's not time for Ben to tell the losties about tunnels.

I don't believe we'll see the others traveling to The Temple because they're using
underground tunnels(imo). It's not time for Ben to tell the losties about tunnels.

We have no proof that they are using tunnels since they were travelling OVER land right up to the point when Ben went to intercept the Losties.

However, I do believe there are tunnels since we saw Juliet and Ben use one in Expose. Also it is my belief that the second time Locke encountered smokey, it was pulling him into the tunnels to reveal them to him -- Jack and Kate screwed that up of course.

I've been doing some research and I have come across some very interesting articles. I assume most of them have been discussed here some other time.

We know that egyptian mythology has ties with the island, so what if the Temple is the library where The Halls of Records (http://www.mysterious-america.net/hallofrecords.html) are hidden?

http://www.pakhomov.com/winston.htm

And there is more, much more!!! A Time Machine is supposed to be located inside the Hall of Records!!!

Fierro - Thank you for directing me to this thread.

Following on from your earlier post (above) and Eight's details of the tablets in the Himalayas, I cannot help but think of CS Lewis' 'The Dark Tower'. It is an unfinished novel of his that deals with time travel, or rather 'interdimensional travel'. More details can be found here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Tower_%281977_novel%29)

What really struck me about your post is the idea of a time machine being located in a hall of records. Lewis (well, I'll assume for these purposes that Lewis wrote the unfinished book) writes about the people of 'Othertime' creating a replica of the Cambridge (England) University Library's tower - that replica is the Dark Tower of the book's title.

Perhaps this temple that Ben refers to is a replica of something from the past - from our time now. What if the apparent time loops in Lost lead to the four-toed statue and (I assume) the temple appearing to be from far in the past, when in fact they are future creations which mimic a statue and building from our present?

Fierro - Thank you for directing me to this thread.

Following on from your earlier post (above) and Eight's details of the tablets in the Himalayas, I cannot help but think of CS Lewis' 'The Dark Tower'. It is an unfinished novel of his that deals with time travel, or rather 'interdimensional travel'. More details can be found here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Tower_%281977_novel%29)

What really struck me about your post is the idea of a time machine being located in a hall of records. Lewis (well, I'll assume for these purposes that Lewis wrote the unfinished book) writes about the people of 'Othertime' creating a replica of the Cambridge (England) University Library's tower - that replica is the Dark Tower of the book's title.

Perhaps this temple that Ben refers to is a replica of something from the past - from our time now. What if the apparent time loops in Lost lead to the four-toed statue and (I assume) the temple appearing to be from far in the past, when in fact they are future creations which mimic a statue and building from our present?




And then there is Stephen Kings "The Dark Tower"

Despite having bought the Dark Tower books for my mother over the years, I humbly admit that I have not read King's series. What little I know of the story is pretty much limited to the multiverse and/or time travel, and that the tower varies in appearance in each of the universes. Lewis' unfinished book was probably one of his last works before he died, and was not published until '77 14 years after Lewis' death. There's no suggestion that King was influenced by it, but it's interesting that they use similar themes and imagery.