Maybe I just had a bad day yesterday but I am not one of those who was enamored with last nite's episode. too many little things in the narrative just didn't make sense.

For example why set up Hurley's back story as him being this huge Lottery winner if the money somehow get's disperse while he is on the Island. what's worse is there is no way the money gets dissipated that quickly, especially if people think he is dead -- for example look at how long it took Anna Nichole Smith to finally secure her fortune.

As a lawyer I can tell you that nothing drags on longer than a fight over a dead man's money.

Hopefully Hurley's throw away line that, "the money will be gone because they think I'm dead" was just that and there is a better story behind the squandered fortune.

The other thing that really annoyed me is the conceit around he OJ like car chase.

If Hurley robbed a bank, shot a cop or something of that magnitude I get the chase and media coverage but merely knocking over a shelf in a convenince store? Who would really care?

I get this is nit picky but kicking off the episode that way just annoyed and distracted me.

Also is it reslly realistic for survivors of an airplane crash to become celebreties? I would thnk there would have to be somethig a little more dramatic to get them labled the Oceanic Six.

Last gripe, recreating the imagery of the final moments in the Looking Glass while Hurley was in the interrogation room. Nice visual but it makes no sense.

Okay I am done now

I have to agree about the chase scene... Hurley freaking out in a 7-11 doesn't exactly warrant that reaction.

I have to agree about the chase scene... Hurley freaking out in a 7-11 doesn't exactly warrant that reaction.
He is having extremely vivid visions of a dead person!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He SAW Charlie at the store. He ran away from him. Probably it wasn't the first time he saw him post island.

I have to agree about the chase scene... Hurley freaking out in a 7-11 doesn't exactly warrant that reaction.
Your adverage Joe-Smoe freaking out in a 7-11 doesn't warrent that.
Hurley seems to be a different story.
Why does the officer even care who Hurely saw?
I'm guessing the long arm of the island, reaches farther then we know. I get the feeling the officer is more then just Ana's partner.

He is having extremely vivid visions of a dead person!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He SAW Charlie at the store. He ran away from him. Probably it wasn't the first time he saw him post island.

No i mean the law enforcements reaction... big chase scene etc.

On the Hurley money question.... I wouldn't compare this situation to Anna Nicole's. She was married. As far as we know Hurley wasn't. Anna Nicole was fighting her dead husbands offspring. As far as we know he doesn't have any.

I imagine that Hurley setup a living will. That would explain a quick resolution on where his money would go.

30 days done deal with no will as long as no one constests it.
We went threw this when my FIL passed away.
So his parents could get the money rather quickly.

BUT as a post note: No body, recovered I beleive adds 2 years to it.
Except that they did announce the plane was found with no surivers, so that probably over rides it.

I would think that Hurley would have a will. Although it takes ages for the money to be distributed so it's unlikely that anyone would have gotten his money yet.

He had an estranged father, mother, I thnk girlfriend at one point. Someone would be contesting this. Besides in Island time he is only "dead" 48 days or so. And even if it did go to someone else, once he is back he should have he right to reclaim it. That would be a lot of money to piss away in just a few weeks.

Like I said it takes months to actually get your hands on the money you inherit. It would never be gone in the short amount of time that Hurley was "dead".

If Hurley started driving extremely erratically when he drove off, it would warrent a chase. And maybe Hurley assumed that his dad took his money, or his mom spent it? I don't know.

I think if you die your lottery winnings automatically stop. I don't think they go to someone else unless you've named them in a trust or will. Hurley's young, thought the money bad and we know that he was in a big hurry to get to Australia so he might have neglected making a will or trust.

As for setting up the backstory, I think it was the ol' money doesn't buy happiness cliche at work. But what I find ironic is how Hurley thought he'd be "free" when he got home - free from the money's "curse" and all the hassles of being rich (everyone wanting a piece of the pie, hinted at in TTID), yet he returns home and is still in the limelight. No wonder the poor guy wants the seclusion and anonymity of Santa Rosa.

1. There's nothing in the episode to suggest that Hurley doesn't have his money now. He has his father's car for instance. I suspect he gave the money away for bad luck reasons, but that's debatable. The line about the money being gone happened on the island, not on the flash forward. Laurie is incorrect, someone missing is not the same as having a corpse. US2Sarajevo misuses the term "living will" a living will discusses Do Not Resuscitate orders, a plain old will discusses what happens to your money after your death.
2. The police chased Hurley, not because of the 7-11 incident, but because he was speeding and running from the police.

Perhaps he still has his money, but tries to forget about because of it's 'curse'.

I had to listen in on a work conference call while the show was going on. So, I apologize if there was a specific statement in the flash forward saying he no longer had any money.

I think if you die your lottery winnings automatically stop.

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With the big jackpots you can choose payments for the rest of your life or one lump sum, I think Hurley got all his millions at once.

1. There's nothing in the episode to suggest that Hurley doesn't have his money now. He has his father's car for instance. I suspect he gave the money away for bad luck reasons, but that's debatable. The line about the money being gone happened on the island, not on the flash forward. Laurie is incorrect, someone missing is not the same as having a corpse. US2Sarajevo misuses the term "living will" a living will discusses Do Not Resuscitate orders, a plain old will discusses what happens to your money after your death.
2. The police chased Hurley, not because of the 7-11 incident, but because he was speeding and running from the police.

I'm incorrect where? When there is no body and you can't prove the person is dead, it adds years. They have to be missing for so many years before you can delcare them dead. I doubt that rule would apply with a plane crash.

As far as how long it takes to have someones money disperised with out a will. It doesn't take that long. I lived it, I know. My FIL died with out a will. He had 3 kids, no wife. My husband stepped up as the oldest child and handled it all. He got a lawyer. Since all 3 kids agreed it was done quickly and we are talking about selling a house and condo plus dividing up his bank accounts.It doesn't take long as long as there is no arguing over who gets what.

In www.find815.com (http://www.find815.com), one of Sam's messages mentioned a box company blowing up or burning down. That had to be Hurley's box company.

I believe the reason that the 6 become celebrities when they come back from the Island is because they were assumed to be dead.

I think in this day and age, where Anna Nicole Smith (sorry to bring her up again) dying warrants 5 months of media circus, it's totally plausible that 6 people "coming back from the dead" are given - at the very least - minor celebrity status.

Of course they would be celebrities. They lived on an island for how-many days and made it off when everyone thought they were dead, AND they're hot..

Also, who's to say he doesn't have his money? I'd think that he either gave all of it away or, hell, still has it. I think the whole who-gets-his-money debate is irrelevant, because his mom had a close relationship with him and would give the money back.

The one thing that suggests Hurley doesn't have his money is the fact that he is in the same mental hospital he was in before he won the money.
If he still had it, he could have upgraded himself.

Hold on a sec there.

It was not known that the driver of the car was Hugo until he got out of the car. This is seen in the faces of the troopers when he finally turns around and reinforced by the news team not knowing who it was.

Additionally, the police weren't chasing him because he knocked over a snack counter, it was probably because he was driving as if he had just seen a ghost...

And seeing as how this was the only Hurley episode in which the money or the curse were not mentioned (in the off-island segments), I'm going to take it to mean that he no longer has it. Maybe he gave it away, maybe it was taken from him, who knows. I bet he didn't care which way it went, though.

My guess is Hurley gave the money away. It being "cursed"

Didn't Hurly deal with the whole curse thing in the epi with the french lady in the jungle? Can't recall it's name right now. So if he did why would he think the money is really cursed after leaving the island?

The one thing that suggests Hurley doesn't have his money is the fact that he is in the same mental hospital he was in before he won the money.
If he still had it, he could have upgraded himself.

But maybe he felt more comfortable there, in a familiar place.

Plus, if the police committed him, they would have automatically taken him to the "public" place--it would be up to him and his "people" to upgrade later if they wanted to.

Maybe I just had a bad day yesterday but I am not one of those who was enamored with last nite's episode. too many little things in the narrative just didn't make sense.

For example why set up Hurley's back story as him being this huge Lottery winner if the money somehow get's disperse while he is on the Island. what's worse is there is no way the money gets dissipated that quickly, especially if people think he is dead -- for example look at how long it took Anna Nichole Smith to finally secure her fortune.

As a lawyer I can tell you that nothing drags on longer than a fight over a dead man's money.

Hopefully Hurley's throw away line that, "the money will be gone because they think I'm dead" was just that and there is a better story behind the squandered fortune.
My take on it is simple: that there never was any money. The lottery was a hoax.

The other thing that really annoyed me is the conceit around he OJ like car chase.

If Hurley robbed a bank, shot a cop or something of that magnitude I get the chase and media coverage but merely knocking over a shelf in a convenince store? Who would really care?
Right. Notice how much of a scene he made in front of the surveillance camera. You're right, that wouldn't be enough. Then he amped it up with a wild ride. That probably still wouldn't be enough. But I'm sure he had help in the police dept. How do you think he wound up being questioned by a former associate of Ana Lucia's?

The car for the chase was selected well in advance to be an att'n-grabber too, as we saw.

Also is it reslly realistic for survivors of an airplane crash to become celebreties? I would thnk there would have to be somethig a little more dramatic to get them labled the Oceanic Six.
I'm sure there was.

Robert

Maybe I just had a bad day yesterday but I am not one of those who was enamored with last nite's episode. too many little things in the narrative just didn't make sense.

For example why set up Hurley's back story as him being this huge Lottery winner if the money somehow get's disperse while he is on the Island. what's worse is there is no way the money gets dissipated that quickly, especially if people think he is dead -- for example look at how long it took Anna Nichole Smith to finally secure her fortune.

As a lawyer I can tell you that nothing drags on longer than a fight over a dead man's money.

Hopefully Hurley's throw away line that, "the money will be gone because they think I'm dead" was just that and there is a better story behind the squandered fortune.

The other thing that really annoyed me is the conceit around he OJ like car chase.

If Hurley robbed a bank, shot a cop or something of that magnitude I get the chase and media coverage but merely knocking over a shelf in a convenince store? Who would really care?

I get this is nit picky but kicking off the episode that way just annoyed and distracted me.

Also is it reslly realistic for survivors of an airplane crash to become celebreties? I would thnk there would have to be somethig a little more dramatic to get them labled the Oceanic Six.

Last gripe, recreating the imagery of the final moments in the Looking Glass while Hurley was in the interrogation room. Nice visual but it makes no sense.

Okay I am done now

A thought I had about his money... is that if he had been declared dead... he may have had a will that had his money donated somewhere and he didn't ask/want it back...

Besides in Island time he is only "dead" 48 days or so..Actually, it's been more than 90 days. Not sure that would make much difference though.

The one thing that suggests Hurley doesn't have his money is the fact that he is in the same mental hospital he was in before he won the money.
If he still had it, he could have upgraded himself.He didn't seem to want an upgrade when one was offered. But then, if Hurley could afford an upgrade, the "Oceanic Attorney" probably would have used a different approach...

Didn't Hurly deal with the whole curse thing in the epi with the french lady in the jungle? Can't recall it's name right now. So if he did why would he think the money is really cursed after leaving the island?

I can see getting rescued possibly changing his mind, however, in most every instance when he mentions winning the lottery it is always in a negative context. He is a best chagrined about being rich but mostly it seems to be nothing but a burden in his eyes. Just as likely his Dad decided to "help him manage it" or his mother gave it to the church. Neither would shock me at least not by Lost standards.

He doesn't have the money because he hasn't won it yet. And he won't ever win it now. They were taken back to an earlier time and have to relive it.

He doesn't have the money because he hasn't won it yet. And he won't ever win it now. They were taken back to an earlier time and have to relive it.

Interesting thought, but not feasible. If they were taken back to a time before the crash, they wouldn't be known as the Oceanic 6, plus you would have a paradox with 2 Hurley's, Jack's, etc....

Interesting thought, but not feasible. If they were taken back to a time before the crash, they wouldn't be known as the Oceanic 6, plus you would have a paradox with 2 Hurley's, Jack's, etc....

Add to that, Jack's ex-wife in his FF, "Do you know how many years I have worked in this hospital", etc.

Though speculation about what happened, if anything, to Hurley's money can be interesting I don't believe it has any real significance. I think winning the lottery was just a writers device to introduce the numbers and Hurley's belief in a the curse and his attitude about good and bad luck.

I can't validate this yet because I don't know what exactly will happen with the freighter crew, only that they seem extra-threatening (which on this show says something)...

has anyone discussed the notion that Hurley may be one of the Oceanic Six because frankly he bought himself a way out? That his money went to securing his safety, at least at first? Not a particularly heroic move, I know... but if a) they're getting "rescued" by somewhat malevolent forces and b) some element of Ben's warnings come true ("everyone on this island will be killed" etc) then what's to stop Hurley from c) trying to placate the situation by throwing his money at it?

Just a thought.

Hurley trying to buy his way out of a situation seems completely out of character. Especially if that ment leaving any one of the losties behind. Also ever since he was on the island Hurley never even wanted to mention the money.

Hurley trying to buy his way out of a situation seems completely out of character. Especially if that ment leaving any one of the losties behind.


In general I agree; I just wonder if Hurley thought he could buy his way out of a situation in order to not leave any lostie behind, would he do so? I suppose things would have to be stretched pretty far to get to that point.

I don't think it's relevant whether he actually has the money. At least, not yet. Hurley made the statement because that's what he thinks, not necessarily reflecting the reality of the situation. It was Hurley being hopeful that, once he got off the island, everything would be fine. It makes him feel better to think that the money is gone, and therefore his problems are over when he gets home. He made a leap of logic which may or may not turn out to be true.

For example why set up Hurley's back story as him being this huge Lottery winner if the money somehow get's disperse while he is on the Island. what's worse is there is no way the money gets dissipated that quickly, especially if people think he is dead -- for example look at how long it took Anna Nichole Smith to finally secure her fortune.

I think Hurley still has the money and if he doesn't it is quite possible that he gave it away since he did believe that the money was cursed.


The other thing that really annoyed me is the conceit around he OJ like car chase.

If Hurley robbed a bank, shot a cop or something of that magnitude I get the chase and media coverage but merely knocking over a shelf in a convenince store? Who would really care?


In Los Angeles they have a lot of car chases over some lesser things that don't have anything to do with a bank robbery and the local media follows the chase until it ends. An example of some typical LA car chases is an individual has expired license tags and the police try and pull him over and the individual doesn't adhere so off they go in a car chase. Sometimes a car chase starts because an individual was speeding and the police try to pull them over but the individual doesn't pull over (some don't stop b/c they have other stuff that they are hiding and some have admitted to not stopping just to get media attention). Hurley was probably driving over the speeding limit and policed tried to pull him over but he didn't adhere to the police and off they went into a car chase.


Also is it reslly realistic for survivors of an airplane crash to become celebreties? I would thnk there would have to be somethig a little more dramatic to get them labled the Oceanic Six.


Considering the kind of envirorment that we currently live in where Paris Hilton and others are celebrities it is quite possible that Oceanic 06 would be seen as celebrities. Especially if they were presumed dead and all of a sudden they're found alive, I could see the media going crazy for them.

Maybe I just had a bad day yesterday but I am not one of those who was enamored with last nite's episode. too many little things in the narrative just didn't make sense.

For example why set up Hurley's back story as him being this huge Lottery winner if the money somehow get's disperse while he is on the Island. what's worse is there is no way the money gets dissipated that quickly, especially if people think he is dead -- for example look at how long it took Anna Nichole Smith to finally secure her fortune.

Hopefully Hurley's throw away line that, "the money will be gone because they think I'm dead" was just that and there is a better story behind the squandered fortune.

Do we know that Hurley doesn't have the money?:)

The other thing that really annoyed me is the conceit around he OJ like car chase.

If Hurley robbed a bank, shot a cop or something of that magnitude I get the chase and media coverage but merely knocking over a shelf in a convenince store? Who would really care?

He's not getting chased for knocking a shelf over in a convenience store. As Ana Lucia's former partner says he led 10 police cars in a chase across half the city. He crashed through a pile of mangos and was obviously driving like a maniac and then didn't pull over when the first cop car pulled out behind him and turned on their lights. Here in Dallas, driving like that will definitely cause a car chase, especially if you don't pull over for the police, I think that will cause a chase no matter what happens, whether the original infraction was knocking over a bank and killing people, to innocently running a red light or a stop sign. I think that would happen whether or not it was in LA or Ames, Iowa.

Also is it reslly realistic for survivors of an airplane crash to become celebreties? I would thnk there would have to be somethig a little more dramatic to get them labled the Oceanic Six.

Remember that plane that crashed in the Everglades like 15 years ago, I think it was Blue Jet or something like that, or that plane that blew up taking off from New York a few years back that some people swear they saw a missile shot at it (can't remember the airline). I don't think any bodies were found in either case, so if finding out all of a sudden that there were actually survivors from either of those crashes, those people wouldn't be famous? The faces of those survivors would be everywhere, just like survivors from Oceanic 815. The plane wreckage was found and everyone was declared dead according to Naomi and Cooper. So I don't think it's odd that the O6 are famous at all.

The one thing that suggests Hurley doesn't have his money is the fact that he is in the same mental hospital he was in before he won the money.
If he still had it, he could have upgraded himself.

Just because Hurley went back to the same hospital that he was at before he had the money doesn't prove that he still doesn't have money. He's obviously comfortable there, and the time spent there obviously worked, so why go somewhere else? Plus as someone said earlier, it's probably the county mental hospital, and that's where all patients from the LAPD are originally taken and evaluated.

I don't think there's any proof in this episode that suggests Hurley doesn't have his money.