That would explain why Jack was so torn up about it, and if you look at the area the funeral home is in, it looks strangely close to the looks of the area that hurely was apprehended in. As well as that, the Detective in last nights epi, said, don't you find it strange you were in that neighborhood, yelling you were one of the Oceanic 6. I think that Hurley is the one in the coffin.

Then why would Jack answer "Neither" to "Are you friend, or family?"
Everyone loved Hurley ... I doubt he could have alienated himself so much that no one would attend his funeral.

I thought it could be Hurley in the coffin, but then why would Jack say he isn't a friend in the finale episode ??
I think it is still someone we havent seen before or either Matthew Abbadon
(http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Matthew_Abbadon)

I dont think Hurley could fit in that thing.... ?

The thought did cross my mind. I hate to make it a weight issue, but that casket didn't look like it could hold Hugo. Which is a good thing, cuz for my money that means it wasn't Hurley in the casket. Plus, his family would have shown up, and I agree Jack would have said friend. Kate probably would've gone as well.

I thought it could be Hurley in the coffin, but then why would Jack say he isn't a friend in the finale episode ??
I think it is still someone we havent seen before or either Matthew Abbadon
(http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Matthew_Abbadon)

The man in the coffin is John Latham (sp? I'll have to check), a Father and artist, if memory serves.

http://lostpedia.com/wiki/John_Lantham

Unless Kate ended up hating him, and he had a kid...it's not him.

Yeah, i definitely think that it couldn't be Hurley. I definitely think that people would show up for Hurley and he was a friend of Jack's. Kate even acted disgusted when jack mentioned going, she said something like "why would I go?" I think it's someone that Jack had alot of hostility and confrontation with.

Yeah, i definitely think that it couldn't be Hurley. I definitely think that people would show up for Hurley and he was a friend of Jack's. Kate even acted disgusted when jack mentioned going, she said something like "why would I go?" I think it's someone that Jack had alot of hostility and confrontation with.

I don't know about hostility ... He was pretty torn up upon seeing the article. Though maybe it was sadness over what "whoever" is doing to keep Oceanic matters quiet? Obviously the rest of the world doesn't know what actually happened, so perhaps this "death" was a punishment/warning for the recourse of describing the events.

this was discussed at length last season and the obit that Jack held was magnified and studied. as said above, it named the "John" person, but it also said he left a teenage son, hung himself in a loft apt. in a 'bad area' of l.a. the funeral home's address (by the street signs) was shown as being in an actual all-black neighbor hood in l.a. Jack said he was not a friend to him. so most of the clues given seemed to add up to being Micheal under an alias.

this was discussed at length last season and the obit that Jack held was magnified and studied. as said above, it named the "John" person, but it also said he left a teenage son, hung himself in a loft apt. in a 'bad area' of l.a. the funeral home's address (by the street signs) was shown as being in an actual all-black neighbor hood in l.a. Jack said he was not a friend to him. so most of the clues given seemed to add up to being Micheal under an alias.

It also said that he was an artist, also very Michael-like.
Then again, the writers have said to disregard most of that article, as they were planning on re-writing it. So speculation at this point I don't think will get us very far if they plan on changing the facts.

I wouldn't use the "black neighborhood" argument to say it was Michael, but I would use the teenage son thing. Michael is the only one so far that we know has a son. So it definitely could be him. But again...why would Jack be so upset? Grr! I'm done speculating about this. It's so frustrating!

I thought about Hurley being in the coffin. It was a very cheap funeral service, and I am wondering what they would do if all of his relatives died, and he was missing from a plane wreck. If he had no will, and no relatives, where would all his money go? if it was no longer his money, he wouldn't have anyone to pay for his funeral. Also, what if Hurley was the one that spilled the beans on what happened on the island? Wouldn't that make everyone that made it off the island upset with him? so upset that they wouldn't attend his funeral?

Yeah, i definitely think that it couldn't be Hurley. I definitely think that people would show up for Hurley and he was a friend of Jack's. Kate even acted disgusted when jack mentioned going, she said something like "why would I go?" I think it's someone that Jack had alot of hostility and confrontation with.

I dont think its Hurley either. Did you see how small that coffin was?? The funeral home appeared to be in a black neighborhood, which has me thinking maybe its walt...his mom is dead, maybe something happened to michael, maybe something happened where Kate would end up not liking Walt...who knows...I'm enjoying the ride. Happy to clear the cobwebs outta my head that have been forming during this long hiatus :)

Then again, the writers have said to disregard most of that article, as they were planning on re-writing it. So speculation at this point I don't think will get us very far if they plan on changing the facts.
That makes me feel better. So we can be less rigid when it comes to the facts in the article, and focus more on the things we saw, like the reactions.

Oh man, you can't kill Hurley, that's killing off the comic relief of the show. And I think Jack and Hurley are pretty close friends, despite the flash forward awkwardness.

After seeing the 'King of the Castle' mobisode I have a feeling its Ben (If we can really disregard the piece of paper with all the info)

I am seeing a lot of people who believe that the coffin contains one of the Oceanic 6. Some have even stated that they think it's all but a certainty. I have to disagree though and the episode last night gives more credence as to why it makes no sense.

The Oceanic 6 become 'celebrities'. This is reported in many of the press releases, interviews, and especially in last night's episode. How does that fit in with a tiny funeral home in the ghetto and a funeral with no attendees? You would have to think that if a 'celebrity' such as one of the Oceanic 6 were to die (perhaps by suicide as the paper suggests), there would be at least one person to show up.

Now, I am not saying that the coffin was not someone we know from the Island. In fact, I believe that it is. However, if what I said above about the celebrity factor is true, than perhaps it is someone from the island who was not rescued with the '6'. Who has left the island already, would be insignificant enough to have nobody attend a funeral, and would draw such ire from Kate that she would say "Why would <stress>I</stress> go to the funeral"?

Obviously, there are way more doors to be opened before the answer will come to us, but I just don't think that it makes sense for one of the '6' to be in the coffin.

P.S. - Been reading this board for years and finally after last night decided to chime in. How do they pull it off!?!?!? TV is just NOT supposed to be this good!

I am seeing a lot of people who believe that the coffin contains one of the Oceanic 6. Some have even stated that they think it's all but a certainty. I have to disagree though and the episode last night gives more credence as to why it makes no sense.

The Oceanic 6 become 'celebrities'. This is reported in many of the press releases, interviews, and especially in last night's episode. How does that fit in with a tiny funeral home in the ghetto and a funeral with no attendees? You would have to think that if a 'celebrity' such as one of the Oceanic 6 were to die (perhaps by suicide as the paper suggests), there would be at least one person to show up.

Now, I am not saying that the coffin was not someone we know from the Island. In fact, I believe that it is. However, if what I said above about the celebrity factor is true, than perhaps it is someone from the island who was not rescued with the '6'. Who has left the island already, would be insignificant enough to have nobody attend a funeral, and would draw such ire from Kate that she would say "Why would <stress>I</stress> go to the funeral"?

Obviously, there are way more doors to be opened before the answer will come to us, but I just don't think that it makes sense for one of the '6' to be in the coffin.

P.S. - Been reading this board for years and finally after last night decided to chime in. How do they pull it off!?!?!? TV is just NOT supposed to be this good!


I don't think it's entirely true to say that simply because they were celebrity's that no one would attend.
They aren't famous in the way an actor or singer is. They're famous because they "survived" a plane crash (since presumably no one really knows they were on the Island, just that the plane crashed and they survived). How often do you read the newspaper? If a man was in a plane crash and miraculously survived, and x number of years later died, would you care? Would you remember? Notice? Go?

I'm not saying it is one of the 6, as I believe that it isn't, I just don't believe that that reason supports your conclusion :smile:

I am in agreement with the people that think the person in the coffin is somone that we have not yet met. I think that the only way that there would be nobody at the funeral for one of the Oceanic 6 is if they did something to make the rest of them mad, by either spilling the beans or something like that. Thoughts?

I agree. My thoughts were it is definately someone we know. Never thought about the fact that they would be celebrities now, and that would attract attention. I always thought since no one showed up the only two people it could be would be John Locke or Ben Linus. They didn't have anyone off the island, and Jack doesn't consider either of them friend or family. Plus, the fact that Jack is so broken down in the future and convinced that he shouldn't have left... well, those two are definately the biggest proponents of staying on the island. Jack now agrees with their point of view and it's one of the reasons he's so distraught over their death.

But if the 6 really are celebrities and if Locke were one of them, you're right he would've been famous.

Ben could have been taken off the island and brought back relatively unnoticed cuz he was never on flight 815.

Sorry I'm rambling... but all that leads me to believe that the coffin is definately holding Ben Linus.

I did forget to mention one last item on this. On the table next to the coffin was a book that looked just like the one Benry was reading when Locke walks into his tent towards the end of last season. That was the 'big clue' that others used to say it is Benry.

The "black neighborhood" clue is valid only since the show went to lengths to show the street signs as Jack drove up, besides the 'ghetto atmosphere' of the surroundings and the guys hangin' outside.

p.s. buffy i edited my post in the "oceanic 6" thread per your wishes.:hypocrit:

Juliet, not one of the Oceanic 6, Not a friend to Kate, I would speculate that Juliet betrays Jack sooner or later. She winds up in a small neighborhood working in a clinic trying to redeem herself.

...or something completely different, If this show was predictable I probably wouldn't watch it much less spend time posting to the 'lage
LQTM

Definitely not Jumbotron.

my guess -

The Six are obviously Jack, Hurley, Kate, Aaron, Claire & Sun.

My guess is Michael was in the casket and soesn't "count" as one of the Six.
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my guess -

The Six are obviously Jack, Hurley, Kate, Aaron, Claire & Sun.

My guess is Michael was in the casket and doesn't "count" as one of the Six.

You beat me to it Biggerricker, The most obvious signs point to either Ben, Locke or Michael. I don't think Locke ever leaves the island and I think Bens fate is going to be tied to whatever happens with these new people on the island. Michael would be the most logical considering what has happenned to this point and considering the nieghborhood the funeral was in. But I think the writers want you to think these exact things.

Juliet only seems to be trusted by Jack. Kate from the begginning never trusted Juliet and once Jack and Juliet showed some hints of feelings towards one another it completely alienated Kate. It would explain her reaction at the end of last season when Jack inquired why she didnt go to funeral. Since Juliet wasn't on the plane her returning to the US would have to be completely secretive to the point where she would probably have to cut all ties with her previously life (including her sister) which is probably what the deal was that allowed her to return. The Oceanic 6 were probably not suppose to have contact with her either since technically she doesnt exist. All this probably drove her to suicide which is why all the guilt falls on Jacks shoulders and why he is so bent out of shape over it enough to almost want to jump off a bridge.

I just think the person has to be someone in the coffin that Jack truley cares about. I just dont see him being that bent out of shape over Ben, Locke (espically since he tried kill him last night), or Michael. I don't know just my thoughts.

The person in the coffin is a man.

He has a teenage son.

He is from New York and visiting LA.

These clues, IMO, point to Michael.

I have to agree with the first poster that any of the O6 would be celebrities and therefore would have at least one person attend the funeral.

BTW, I found out who the O6 but now I can't remember what the website it...but the info is out there...

Jack says it's neither friend or family. To me beside the location, screams Micheal. Jack would feel betrayed by Micheal, but still a little said to see he died.
The one thing that doesn't add up is, Why didn't Jack ask about Walt when the funeral director said no one showed up?
You'd think Jacks first words would have been, What about his son?

The person in the coffin is a man.

He has a teenage son.

He is from New York and visiting LA.


I may be slow...but, how do you know this?

Wouldn't it be in the article/obit that Jack reads that whoever the man is he was a member of the 6? I think it would have even been the title - "one of the Oceanic 6 hangs himself" or something like that.

TPTB have said DISREGARD the article, it was just used for that scene.

But it's Michael :) Watch!

My feelings, after watching TTLG a few times, is that it is Ben in the coffin. Jack is upset and feels bad because he now knows that Ben was right and they should not have left. It would also explain why Kate wouldn't want to go to his funeral. I think she would go if it were any of the losties (including Locke), but she would have a hard time forgiving Ben for holding her prisoner.

That's just my theory, but who the h*ll am I to know???

That info was obtained from the obituary text from TTLG. The whole thing essentially was obtained and posted a while ago. (I don't have the link though.)

Even if no one showed up, you'd think the obituary would have mentioned something so significant if the deceased person was a member of the O6. Obviously they are celebrity enough for Hurley to think that the cops would know what O6 meant, and for Jack to be asked for autographs. It would make no sense for one of them to die and an obituary to neglect to mention that.

I still think the most obvious answer is Michael- teenage son and all. Plus, Michael presumably got off the island secretly and on his own, so wouldn't be known as one of the Oceanic survivors.

If TPTB have in fact disregarded the article, it would annoy me, since we know what it said. ...Continuity mistakes are not something I expect from this show.

Just having read the title and the first paragraph of the thread:

I would have to say that because they are celeberties there would have been more people their.

I have a feeling that most people have already said that.

I saw a spoiler site that said the Oceanic 6 were:
Jack
Kate
Hurley
Sayid
Jin
Sun


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Okay, so this might be old
But I was looking at that newspaper clipping, and like everyone has pointed out,
The name appears to be

Jo____ ___antham

It was then I remembered learning about Jeremy Bentham, last year in history.
He was a philosopher, like Locke, Hume, Rousseau, Anthony Cooper, and Mikhail Bakunin.


And I think that it is totally possible that it is an “E” not a “O”, and a “E” and not a “A”,
If you take a look at the clipping it seems very possible that this could be the case.
Anyhow I predict that it’s a character we don’t know yet, who we will meet soon named Jeremy Bentham.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Bentham
http://cache.lostpedia.com/images/d/d4/Newspaperclipping2.jpg
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If you look on Lostpedia, there's a whole section on the newspaper clipping, which I see you've seen.
However, in there, it also says that the writers are planning on re-writing that article, so to discredit it.

I think that's a good point about the 6 being celebrities. The press was aware of the death. (Jack saw it in the newspaper.) If it was one of the 6, at least 1 or 2 reporters would have shown up to see if any of the other Oceanic 6 attended.

even so, i feel very sure that the other parts of the article might change, but the name won't

I think them most popular theory is that it says John Latham ( The N in Latham was already said to be a typo), who is an artist.
In the article the facts are i. Teenage son ii. Artist iii. Lived in NY
All of those things point to ... Michael.

Agreed- it can't be one of the 6 since there would be too much publicity. I have always thought Michael. And now more so. I think he got off the island AHEAD of the Oceanic 6 and was living a very low key life in an undercover sort of manner.

Do u think maybe the person in the coffin is the guy from the end of the show last night that rescued them? The paratrooper? Think about it maybe he rescued them nd the Oceanic 6 found out that he was going to go back to the island & go after everyone else & he died before they left. That would be why Kate said why would I go & why Jack would want to go back so bad, because he realized that rest of the Losties are in trouble. He was prolly involved in some secret organization & that would be why not one person came to his funeral. I no its really far fetched but its a possibility.

It could be a character we have not met yet, it could also be Walt...It could Be Michael if we assume they made it off the island awhile ago.

We do know that Kate, Jack and Hurley are alive.

Maybe one of the others made it off the island like Ben, he has absolutely no family or friends on the American continent so I could see his funeral being empty and Kate not wanting to attend and say "Why would I go"?

I think it's Michael in the coffin, too.

He got "off" the island...but did not receive the "Golden Pass" that the rest of the "Oceanic 6" got...

When he and Walt sailed away to that 'specific' coordinates that Ben, the "good guy" gave them...Those coordinates did not lead them to rescue...it only led them to an Others waiting craft nearby...at which point...Michael was told he would be heading back to the States....he would be given a new name and identity...a new job...a new apartment...and he was NOT to talk to anyone about his experiences on the island...nor try to make any type of contact with his fellow Losties.

Oh...and Walt would not be returning with him.

They kept Walt to insure Michael would never "spill the beans" about Craphole Island...and his previous identity. Should he "tell" anyone his true story, Walt would be killed.

Walt was way too special a kid for Ben to give him up that easily. Ben told Mike & Walt they were free, to APPEAR to as a "good guy" in front of Jack, Kate & Sawyer on that Pala Ferry dock. He had to give the illusion that he was "a man of his word" so he could get Jack to do his spinal surgery. But he brought Kate & Sawyer for leverage.

So, with no choice...Michael had to accept their deal to insure Walt's safety...he returned to the states...alone in LA...was given his new ID and SS number....he was given a contact # for a job...and the keys to his new apartment. He arrived with NO fanfare, or ticker tape parades. He just quietly melded back into society. Heartsick that he had let those bastards take Walt from him yet again. He believed Ben...and Ben betrayed him.

Then...a few months later...he's watching the news...and suddenly...he hears of the miraculous discovery of 6 passengers of the doomed Flight 815 who have turned up alive and well on an island not far from where the wreckage of Flight 815 was found at the bottom of the ocean. He saw Jack...Kate...Hurley...and the others as they stood before a giant "Welcome Home 815 Surviviors" banner at an Oceanic staged press conference....making statements about their tales of survival at an Oceanic podium.

But, something was wrong...Jack and the rest...they weren't telling the truth! They never mentioned a "smoke monster"....they never mentioned a group of "Others"...who "kidnapped and killed many of the 815 survivors"...they never mentioned "hatches"...or "The Dharma Initiative" in their stories.

Their stories told of them bobbing to the surface as 815 sank beneath them...and how the hero Jack managed to build a makeshift raft out of seat cushions and coolers...as they watched in horror as the rest of the passengers, many still strapped in their seats...desended to the ocean floor. They floated for 40 days...in the open sea...drinking rain water...and spearing fish...until they finally found land on a small island just off the coast of Fiji...where they survived on coconuts and berries. Until a rescue plane, quite accidentally, stumbled upon their SOS sign they built on the beach...long after the FAA and Oceanic had given up hope of ever finding any survivors. But then...the wreckage was found at the bottom of the sea...submarines confirm it is Flight 815...and the bodies of the passengers can be seen inside the windows. But it is too deep to try and bring to the surface. The FAA and Oceanic confirmed there where NO survivors.

Until now.

Michael is confused...why aren't they telling the truth? 48 people survived that crash...not 6! He watches the 6 as they appear on Good Morning America...and Jimmy Kimmel Live...and keep re-telling the same pack of lies to the world.

He had to reach out to them...he had to know why they were lying about what happened to them...He had to contact Jack. Little did Michael realize...by contacting Jack...he would be breaking the conditions of his release from the island. And by this time...those who are still holding Walt realize he is just too valuable to kill. When Michael finally gets Jack on the phone to set up a meeting...he's signed his own death warrant.

Michael is killed for trying to contact Jack...to find out the truth...and see if he knows anything about Walt. Michael even tells him his new name and identity. But before he can ever make it to his meeting with Jack. Two mysterious men show up at his apartment...and murder him...then hang him to make it look like suicide.

Then...Jack comes across Michael's new identity in the obituary notices.

Jack shows up at the funeral home located in inner city LA...possibly surprised that not even Walt made it to the viewing...And no....Jack is neither "friend" or "family" to Michael. Michael murdered Ana Lucia...and Libby...and double crossed Jack, Kate & Sawyer by leading them into an "Other's" trap. Jack has a sneaking suspicion...it was NOT suicide...as part of Jack's agreement was never to make contact with Kate.

Michael is in that coffin, people...and he was survived by a teenage son.

Yes, the info I got was from the Obit in TTLG (man in coffin, teenage son, from NY).

However if TPTB are now saying not to read anything into that obit then I don't know what to think...

I like the theory above, but the one thing missing would be...how did Kate know Michael changed his name?

Yes, the info I got was from the Obit in TTLG (man in coffin, teenage son, from NY).

However if TPTB are now saying not to read anything into that obit then I don't know what to think...

I like the theory above, but the one thing missing would be...how did Kate know Michael changed his name?

Because Jack probably called Kate after Michael tried to contact him to get her thoughts...and Kate probably told Jack not to have anything to do with him...or his "new identity". But Jack agreed to the meeting anyways. And Michael did not show up.

That's why Kate looked so incredulous when Jack mentioned the funeral to her at the airport. She was not as forgiving about Michael's traitor/murderous path on the island.

I've been to the Jeremy Bentham pub in London . . . sorry, just had to add. Haven't seen that name in awhile.

I've thought for some time that it's Michael in the coffin as well. There is another thread going around about the person in the coffin not possibly being a member of the Oceanic Six, as someone would have shown up for that funeral.

I wouldn't use the "black neighborhood" argument to say it was Michael, but I would use the teenage son thing. Michael is the only one so far that we know has a son. So it definitely could be him. But again...why would Jack be so upset? Grr! I'm done speculating about this. It's so frustrating!

Then you don't know that area of L.A. :rolleyes:

It also said that he was an artist, also very Michael-like.
Then again, the writers have said to disregard most of that article, as they were planning on re-writing it. So speculation at this point I don't think will get us very far if they plan on changing the facts.

I hadn't heard or read that. But even so, re-writing doesn't mean changing facts such as who was in it. Or at least I hope not. We need to be able to take some things as canon and with all the lying on the show that's getting harder and harder to do.

My thoughts on why Kate wouldn't go based on it being Michael: Kate and the other Oceanic 6 had to make a deal to get off the island, a deal that is now haunting at least Jack and Hurley, but probably all of them. Michael had probably been rescued already and Kate feels they wouldn't have needed to make a deal if Michael had told someone what had happened to all of them. Plus, remember she was pretty torn up over the killing of Libby and A.L. Jack went because, well, he's Jack. He needed closure. Maybe he wanted to see if Walt was there and that's why he was surprised no one had shown up at the viewing.

I hadn't heard or read that. But even so, re-writing doesn't mean changing facts such as who was in it. Or at least I hope not. We need to be able to take some things as canon and with all the lying on the show that's getting harder and harder to do.

My thoughts on why Kate wouldn't go based on it being Michael: Kate and the other Oceanic 6 had to make a deal to get off the island, a deal that is now haunting at least Jack and Hurley, but probably all of them. Michael had probably been rescued already and Kate feels they wouldn't have needed to make a deal if Michael had told someone what had happened to all of them. Plus, remember she was pretty torn up over the killing of Libby and A.L. Jack went because, well, he's Jack. He needed closure. Maybe he wanted to see if Walt was there and that's why he was surprised no one had shown up at the viewing.

Producers have said over and over to disregard the newspaper clipping, as they are going to re-write it.

Well, since there aren't any real concrete facts about who's in it, there isn't much to change. We've just speculated a lot.
Maybe Kate wouldn't go, but that doesn't explain her extremely adverse reaction to even being asked by Jack why she wasn't there.
Also, I don't think Jack went for closure. He said he went to see if Kate was there.

The Wiki article about the coffin says that the person in the coffin is likely no taller than 5'1". If true, that rules out a lot of people, including my current guess Michael.

The Wiki article about the coffin says that the person in the coffin is likely no taller than 5'1". If true, that rules out a lot of people, including my current guess Michael.

That was also written by fans. Lostpedia isn't canon. Further more, after that episode many people said how "small" the coffin looked, but others said it was regular size, and it was just the angle.

The only way to know is when they reveal it.

The person in the coffin is a man.

He has a teenage son.

He is from New York and visiting LA.

These clues, IMO, point to Michael.

I have to agree with the first poster that any of the O6 would be celebrities and therefore would have at least one person attend the funeral.

BTW, I found out who the O6 but now I can't remember what the website it...but the info is out there...
exactly I remember the posting with the close up of the obituary. if you are curious as to some of the Oceanic 6 are head over to Buddy TV for some brief episode recaps

I may be slow...but, how do you know this?

I think that info was on the the newspaper clipping from the S3 finale. You're not slow. It was hard to find. :biggrin:

Here is the clipping, and it is definitely a man, so hat eliminates Juliette. Besides, she was known as a Dr. doing fertility work so she would have fans/past successful patients in the states.

http://bp0.blogger.com/_8HhjIy50yEY/RlUOKWnofdI/AAAAAAAAALw/2oyx2_B2Wq4/s1600-h/a04.1-full.JPG
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Who know full character names? If you look at this, the dead guys first name starts with J and the last name ends in ntham.

http://bp0.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/RlUe-1YihSI/AAAAAAAAFkw/ucINFuG1jfo/s1600-h/newspaperclipping2.jpg

Who know full character names? If you look at this, the dead guys first name starts with J and the last name ends in ntham.

http://bp0.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/RlUe-1YihSI/AAAAAAAAFkw/ucINFuG1jfo/s1600-h/newspaperclipping2.jpg

If it's Michael (I think it is), then he'd likely be living under an assumed name, do I don't think the letters you can see of the name are necessarily any help.

I have no doubt it's Michael. That was my first thought after watching it the first time. The funeral was in a black neighborhood, there was no one there (he had no one before being on the island) and Kate would have no reason to go to his funeral because he screwed them over. I don't know how it being Michael isn't the most obvious thing in the world.

Michael is a good choice. There's a possibility that it's a character both Jack and Kate both met after leaving the island (or in the process of leaving the island). This would include one of this season's new characters.

We don't know much about this character and I know a lot of people, including myself, are just throwing names right and left to claim who is in the coffin. It's my guess we don't know the character who is in that coffin yet but i had a thought and wished to share it briefly. We don't know what Abbadon's objective is or where he is from or who he works for but my theory would be that he is a way ( maybe one of the only ways ) to get back to the island - hence the "upgrade with an ocean view" he wants to give Hurley. Whoever is in that coffin leads Jack in attempting suicide and i believe his reasoning for wanting to kill himself would be if he couldn't get back to the island to undo whatever it is he did and if Abbadon can get them back and then dies...all hope may be lost for Jack. They have no relationship (friend or family ) with Abbadon and if he is a Richard Albert like character who maybe doesn't really live or belong here then it could make sense that no one would go to his funeral. Just a thought.

It could be James Ford in the box.
If he got back to the States, he would immediately assume a new identity. When he is found dead, with fake i.d. on him, the media wouldn't know he was one of the O6. The funeral home is in a poor neighbourhood, but not neccessarily an exclusively black area. The director did ask Jack if he was family (though that could just be a standard formality.).
Consider this: James Ford has spent his life seeking revenge on "Sawyer". Now that he has gotten it, what does he have left? It could be that the character of James Ford has served his purpose for the show, and will go the way of various other characters who did not live to the end of the series.

Well - I won't say anything with CERTAINTY because we are dealing with LOST! LOL!! There's no certainty involved with this show!

But I do believe Michael is in the coffin. I think he actually met up with the Freighties while off the Island in the little boat and he told them to come to the Island. I'm sure there is a little more to the deal he makes with the Freighties but something bad goes down in which the Oceanic 6 blame Michael for either getting them off the Island where they have to live a life of secrecy under threat and people watching them. OR Michael has to make a choice of which 6 to choose which would make the O6 mad at him for not choosing some of the other Losties. Or someting like that. (I could actually see Kate being mad at him for not choosing Sawyer. Even though Sawyer turned out to be an ally with Michael...)

I think Michael finally spilled the beans after living a life of guilt and he was the first casualty of what happens when you spill the beans.

I also believe it was Michael in the coffin. I believe Jack is devastated not because Michael is dead, but because he is desperate to get back to the island. And who is the person he knows that (as far as we know, at this time) actually left the island and so maybe would know how to get back? Michael. And with Michael's death, he has lost that hope.

Black neighborhood? Apparently. Black funeral director? Also true. This does NOT necessarily mean it is a black man in the casket. We'd assume that the funeral director would have this information, and would be more likely to ask "Were you a close friend?" or something similar if the body in the casket was black. I think most people would "err on the side of caution" and not have offered the choices "friend or FAMILY" if the visitor did not share a skin color with the body in the casket. I am not saying that a black man couldn't be related to a white man, particularly since Christian Shephard apparently had fidelity issues, But what if it was Rose or Bernard?. Since they are a mixed race couple, they might reasonably be related (via the marriage) to someone of EITHER color.

Hmmmmmm

Okay, so this might be old
But I was looking at that newspaper clipping, and like everyone has pointed out,
The name appears to be

Jo____ ___antham

It was then I remembered learning about Jeremy Bentham, last year in history.
He was a philosopher, like Locke, Hume, Rousseau, Anthony Cooper, and Mikhail Bakunin.


And I think that it is totally possible that it is an “E” not a “O”, and a “E” and not a “A”,
If you take a look at the clipping it seems very possible that this could be the case.
You, I, and others have concluded independently it's Jeremy Bentham. For some reason more people who write online seem to think it's John Lantham or Latham. How about starting a parimutuel pool?

Robert

I think it's Michael in the coffin and because he betrayed Kate, Sawyer, Jack, & Hurley, that's why they won't go to his funeral. Plus, he may betray them yet again in future episodes.

This is completely and utterly baseless, but what if it's Christian Shepard in the coffin? Yes, I know he's already dead before the crash but considering mobisode #13 and TBTE. It would account for why no one except Jack cared enough to show up and the name that we don't know. Since he was already supposed to dead, he could have assumed a new name and moved to NY where no one would know him. I'm not saying this makes sense, but it was what popped into my mind.

The article said the man's name was "Jo- -tham", presumably John Bantham or John Antham. When Naomi called the freighter with the sat phone right before her death, she called the man she was talking to "John." Maybe he's that Charlie-imposter who jumped from the helicopter at the end of TBotE.

This is some wild stuff...don't laugh...

There has been some cloning on the island, as we have seen in Dharma videos.

I kinda got to thinking, if they cloned a rabbit, maybe they cloned the Losties...long story, but then I thought maybe the person in the coffin was Jack's clone.

Dumb, I know...but it's fun to think about.

I think he is someone who can get them back but wasn't there screenshots showing his name to begin with a J?

That Matthew dude looked tall to me and the coffin did not seem like it would accommodate him.

What if Miles was the one who died and is in the coffin that Jack goes to visit in
"Through the Looking Glass?"

I have three reasons/clues for my hypothesis.

1. The person who died is from New York.
Miles is from New York.

2. The person who died had a small coffin.
Miles is a short guy and a man in his stature would fit in that small coffin.

3. Finally, when Jack walks into the funeral, the man asks if he's a friend nor relative, Jack says, "Neither."

What if Jack is so distraught not because he "loved" or "misses" the person who died he's upset because Miles is one of the few people who could have actually led him back to the island.

Just a theory I came up with tonight that I discussed with mi novia, a fellow Los fan. I just wanted to get everyone's feedback.

A.E.C.

I believe Darlton stated that we already knew the person in the coffin, so that rules out Miles.

1. The person who died is from New York.
Miles is from New York.


I must have missed something. How did we find out that Miles is from New York?

It may be a little early to speculate, but he has already contacted Hurley which leads me to believe he will probably have run ins with the other five. He apparently knows how to find the Island which would have Jack' s attention and would cause Jack to lose hope if Abaddon passed away. He doesn't appear to be the type to have a lot of friends which would explain why no one went to his funeral, the African American neighborhood he is buried in is easier to explain. He was probably Jacks last chance since Locke and Ben never left the Island. Thoughts?

Abbadon doesn't look like the type to have a memorial in a crap mortuary in L.A. I also can't see that he is the last chance to get back to the Island. He seems to be in a position where he can't return to the Island and wants to know if the survivors/freighties/natives are still alilve.

I must have missed something. How did we find out that Miles is from New York?

I was wondering that, too. In his FB, he was shown to be from California.

Abbadon doesn't look like the type to have a memorial in a crap mortuary in L.A

you honestly see this guy with some big farewell, he appears private, secluded, I think this suits him better then any other character we've seen.

I I originally thought that the oceanic 6 would consist of Jack, Hurley and Kate obviously. I thought it would also be Sayid, as he would fly the helicopter off the island with all of them inside of it. And I thought that the other two would be Claire and Aaron, because of Desmond's vision.

But then who could be in that coffin? It couldn't be any of them, because none of these six are originally from New York. So who could be in the coffin if not one of the Oceanic 6?

Michael is from New York. Could it be Michael? Or Walt? (wasn't the coffin small?)Could they have already made it back to the "real world" before the Oceanic 6 did?

The person in the coffin is someone we had already seen.

The person in the coffin is someone we had already seen.

yeah thats interesting but it has to be someone jack knew, but isnt friends with, or family.

Was Ben ruled out? Sorry I didnt keep up with the discussions last year.

I I originally thought that the oceanic 6 would consist of Jack, Hurley and Kate obviously. I thought it would also be Sayid, as he would fly the helicopter off the island with all of them inside of it. And I thought that the other two would be Claire and Aaron, because of Desmond's vision.

But then who could be in that coffin? It couldn't be any of them, because none of these six are originally from New York. So who could be in the coffin if not one of the Oceanic 6?

Michael is from New York. Could it be Michael? Or Walt? (wasn't the coffin small?)Could they have already made it back to the "real world" before the Oceanic 6 did?

What I don't understand is:

If they do in fact use the chopper to get off the island, How does Hurley get on (and, wasn't someone freaking out about bringing the extra weight of Naomi? Certainly, Hugo weighs more than her.)

Which leads to: Do they go find Locke's group? And if so, why?

Well herrdoktor I thought either Ben or Michael, because of Kate's reaction, why would I go to the funeral meant it was someon they had ambivalent feelings about that would certainly be Ben becaus I've always thought the trajectory of his character was one of redemption. Or it could be Michael because he was one of them and betrayed them.

Obit also mentioned a teenaged son.

What I don't understand is:

If they do in fact use the chopper to get off the island, How does Hurley get on (and, wasn't someone freaking out about bringing the extra weight of Naomi? Certainly, Hugo weighs more than her.)

Which leads to: Do they go find Locke's group? And if so, why?

Well, perhaps Miles is in search of Locke because he knows Locke killed Naomi. They are also there for Ben as well, who also is in Locke's group.

Good point about Hurley and the Whirly Bird. There were only four on the helicopter when it came to the island. If they take six Losties away from the island and one of those is Aaron, then it really is only 1 person over weight capacity of what was on it coming in. Taking into account the equipment boxes that were dumped, and perhaps the fact that they could possibly dump more cargo....that may enable one more passenger.

Yes, it did mention a teenage son but as with the two pictures of Penny the production team can go back and change it. I'm not saying it isn't Michael, I'm just pointing that out.

After watching this episode I think we can make new infrences to suggest that the person in the casket is Ben. The new people to the Island are after him and the reason why Jack is so upset could be that Ben was right. He was the good person, and he was right all along not to contact the "recuers". Casket would fit Bens smaller stature. Ben doesnt know anyone off the island supposedly. Looks like Kate jack Sayid are going to make a deal with theses recuers to give Ben up for their way off the Island. My guess now for the 6 would be Kate, Jack, Hurley, Sayid, Sawyer, Juliette, and Ben captured by Abbadon and dead in casket,


Although one good contradiction to this would be why would Abbadon and his boys release Ben to a Funeral home, they would probably just destroy or get rid of his body.

The person in the coffin is someone we had already seen.


How do we know this....? Whoever said that we know the person?

I I originally thought that the oceanic 6 would consist of Jack, Hurley and Kate obviously. I thought it would also be Sayid, as he would fly the helicopter off the island with all of them inside of it. And I thought that the other two would be Claire and Aaron, because of Desmond's vision.

But then who could be in that coffin? It couldn't be any of them, because none of these six are originally from New York. So who could be in the coffin if not one of the Oceanic 6?

Michael is from New York. Could it be Michael? Or Walt? (wasn't the coffin small?)Could they have already made it back to the "real world" before the Oceanic 6 did?

I don't think the coffin contained any of the "oceanic 6" becuase if Jack said they were kind of like celebrities, then i'm sure one of them dying would have been a bigger deal then a standard two paragraph obit...

As far as the oceanic 6 i heard a rumor of who the other three are....
Sayid, Jin and Sun

don't forget the helicopter is in good shape just lack of fuel UNTIL it gets back to the freighter, also the freighter could come closer to the island if need be...

I believe that Christian Shepard is one of the O6. He is seen in the cabin and Jack referenced his father in his flash forward in last season's finale.

About the coffin -
There is a thread somewhere in this website regarding the last episode of last season where Jack finds that obituary (when he is on the plane)- someone here magnified the screen shot and ther was a long discussion - the name on the obituary says john lantham. (or something close to that)

Once we hear that name come up in a future episode, that is who is in that coffin ... supposedly.
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I searched on the forums and couldn't find the screen shot but I did find one of the posts that says the same thing- there are quite a few related posts like this too - regarding John Lantham ....

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=1725045&highlight=john+lantham#post1725045

;)

Michael is from New York. Could it be Michael? Could they have already made it back to the "real world" before the Oceanic 6 did?
Michael would fit Kate's reaction of disgust when Jack asks about the coffin, with the whole you left us on the dock with guns to our heads after you lied and killed thing.
But I think we have like 75 more directional turns of the show before we figure out who is in that coffin.... I just hope its someone we never saw coming, I love a good surprise.

Did anyone else notice the small size of the coffin at the memorial? There is no way a full grown adult was in there.......

This has been discussed before, and someone who frequents this board, who is also a funeral director, indicated that the coffin is of standard size, and that it only appears small due to the angle of the shot.

Damon and Carlton said the person in the coffin was somebody we had seen before in press and podcasts.

Still holding on it's either Mike or Walt. Watch where Jack goes. It's predominately a black neighborhood, complete with a African American priest. It just led me to believe it would be one of those two.

Rose was from NY, the Bronx to be exact but I don't think they'd have that kind of reaction to her!

I think the person in the coffin is either Michael, Ben or Locke. None would be considered a friend to Jack and probably just knowing that whatever drove the person in the coffin to suicide was the same as what is eating at him and that he feels responsible or like he failed in some way is why Jack is so affected by the obituary.

I hope it's Michael. It would make a better fit. His wife is dead. No one of our losties would lose sleep if this guy were on a slab. Well Jack is the exception since he feels responsible for everyone. Get a grip! Kate said, "why would I go to the funeral?" Exactly. For all we know Walt is on a slab too so he couldn't come to Pop's shoving off farewell to the nether world. Or Walt could still be on the island giving John instructions. John has a son too, but don't know if he's a teenager. Michael was a traitor and therefore deserves a traitors' hasta la vista send off!

So reading through it seems like some believe the person in the coffin is someone we know. That is probable but don't remember hearing from anyone that for sure - so just in case and to throw out a theory - what if it is the pilot of the chopper (I forget his name). What if he is the one that flies the Oceanic 6 off the island - that chopper can probably hold him and 6 others - no more return trips though. He is neither family nor friend but he is someone that landed on the island and someone that Jack felt could possibly get them back to the island. Plus he mentioned he was supposed to be the pilot of 815 so maybe he has even more info in terms of the original flight - at least Jack may think that.

What do I know - sometimes you throw something at the wall and see if it sticks.

Damon and Carlton said the person in the coffin was somebody we had seen before in press and podcasts.


They said it was someone we seen which I agree, and what if Abaddon had some obscure little role here in the past. If he was walking throught the airport in a flashback we would have technically seen him. I'm going back in time to watch all the episodes again:)
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That would explain why Jack was so torn up about it, and if you look at the area the funeral home is in, it looks strangely close to the looks of the area that hurely was apprehended in. As well as that, the Detective in last nights epi, said, don't you find it strange you were in that neighborhood, yelling you were one of the Oceanic 6. I think that Hurley is the one in the coffin.



While I believe Hurley will die I don't think it is him in the coffin. It's California he has family, and who doesn't like Hurley. Anyway Charlie would have went to his funeral:)

I originally posted this on the lost.com forums but then i found this site and wanted to see what people's thoughts were, i've changed it a bit from the original after reading some of the posts on this thread pertaining to the fact that the producers said to basically ignore most of the obituary (i also remember hearing that they came out and said that the coffin was normal sized so there's no need to debate that anymore) but anyways, here goes: I hadn't been much concerned about who was in the coffin until today when the pieces started to come together for me suggesting that it was in fact John Locke... The initials are the same as in the obit which would seem a bit too obvious but it also may suggest that Locke is not one of the oceanic 6 but does end up off of the island somehow and changes his last name so that he may never be associated with flight 815 and garner all the media attention that would come with it...and many things point to Locke and i think one of the most important is the emotional reactions of Jack and Kate... first off there is the fact that Jack is upset on the plane when he reads the obit and later cries at the funeral though he says that the person is neither friend nor family...this seems to represent a series of complex emotions for Jack given the circumstances and i feel that Jack and Locke's relationship would be the best fit for Jack's reaction here... The obituary also pushes Jack to the point of suicide which is only thwarted when the car crash occurs, but right before it does occur he says "oh, forgive me" which could be him calling out to a higher power but also he could be speaking to Locke here and asking for forgiveness for leaving the island and screwing up everything that they could have had which he only realizes now was actually a blessing in disguise....Jack reads an LA paper and Locke worked in Tustin and on top of that we don't really know where he is from originally (as far as i can remember) and of course the new york part could have still been made up as part of him reinventing himself... I also don't buy the argument that it has to be a black person because it is a black neighborhood...if he had no one to come to the funeral/showing then he was most likely sent to a funeral home near where he died to reduce costs... and if there is a teenage son well he could very well have a 13-year old at this point with Helen and not have known about it since he didnt see her after she left as far as we know....anyways, i just don't see all the pieces quite fitting for Michael as i can't see Jack tearing up over him dying and Locke was much more likely to have absolutely no one at his funeral because that is the kind of life he had in the outside world and i think it affected Jack because even though he grew to hate him, he still seems to respect him to some degree, but i don't think kate would feel the same way which i think explains her reaction at the end of their flash forward... also, someone mentioned something about this earlier in the thread but i think it bears noticing that if it were a black person in the casket, the funeral director would have been much more likely to say "was he a friend?" than "friend or family?" because even though obviously people can have relatives of varying skin colors, more often than not people don't make that assumption...it is somewhat related to the sentiment that causes people to think that the photos in the inglewood apartment have to be of a black person that we have already seen in the show... let me know what you think.

So does the fact that Ben and Sayid are working together on the other side of the world put Ben out the coffin running. Plus the fact that he seems more evil now than he was before thus Jack wouldn't care that much if he died. Locke is a more likely canidate then before imo. IF it's not Michael of course.

Not necessarily. I would assume the coffin scene was long into the future and now that we know Ben got off the island, I could see a possibility of him in the coffin.

Actually I've been toying with the idea for awhile that Sayid is the one in the coffin. And this episode seems to actually support that a bit.

I don't think it puts either of them out of the running. My first guess is Ben based on Kate's reaction. We know that Ben left/can leave the island. Michael comes in a close second.

My first guess is Ben based on Kate's reaction.

But if Kate knows what Sayid's been up to it would also explain her reaction. ;)

For the longest time I thought it was Michael. Still could be, imo. I really have no clue. But I really think it could also be Sayid now.

I reckon it was... Jack. Dun dun duh!

My vote is going to go for Daniel. I'm not sure why I think that yet, just a hunch... seems like the suicidal type.

I have always thought that it was Locke, especially after the season finale last year, and even more after the premiere. Jack especially is not all that fond of Locke, and it seemed that he didn't really care for whoever was in that coffin.

I hadn't considered it until tonite, but now I think its Sayid in the coffin. I can certainly see why he wouldn't have any friends or family show up for a memorial, not if he had been living the life of a roving assassin. And I can see how Sayid could be conflicted to the point of suicide by his actions.

I was in the Locke camp after S3 finale, but after tonights episode...I'm leaning towards Ben. He's the only one who so far has demonstrated a prediliction for aliases (other than Kate), and the mysterious person in the coffin went by the name John Lantham.

In addition to that, it would go a long way to explaining what finally brought Jack to the edge. After his visit with Hurley, Jack realized Hurley was right, and Locke was right, that they weren't supposed to leave the island. Jack's best hope of getting back to the island is Ben, someone who navigates back and forth with some familiarity.

As to the neighborhood the funeral was in, it could have been the cheapest around. If Ben didn't have anyone claim to claim his body, the city would have had to deal with it, and maybe that's where they send their business. Ben also fits the description of being neither friend nor family to Jack to a tee.

I'm guessing Sayid now. Not only is he in choots with Ben, but Ben is sending him off to kill someone who know's he's coming. Maybe Sayid was protecting the rest of the six, and that's why his death shook Jack so badly.

I think it could still be Michael. I remember the newspaper article mentioned that he was from New York (Michael was from there) and than moved to LA.. than I heard from someone that the article also said that he had a teenage son (Walt), which adds up to Michael again.

If its not Michael, it leads me to believe that it could be Sayid too, because didn't Ben say he was going to change Sayid's name? It could happen to be John Lantham.

But, I also believe it could be Ben too. lol No one showed up at the funeral.. Ben has no family, or friends.. think maybe we'll find out who's in the coffin later in the Season..

So here are my guesses so far:
1. Michael
2. Sayid
3. Ben

It Is Sawyer.

I still think it's Lock. Except not. Because he's not really in the coffin. The death and funeral were faked.

I hadn't considered it until tonite, but now I think its Sayid in the coffin. I can certainly see why he wouldn't have any friends or family show up for a memorial, not if he had been living the life of a roving assassin. And I can see how Sayid could be conflicted to the point of suicide by his actions.

This is quite logical.....and I HATE IT!! Oh no not my man Sayid!!! They're off island so he couldn't keep coming back in the real world like Charlie and Jacks Dad!

It's MICHAEL... John Latham...now go do a Google search on this...he is a Black Artisit from New York City...he's in the coffin.

Anyway, Can't wait to see how this all comes along. Great Episode...confirmation that Ben CAN get off of the island...not so crazy thinking about Miles picture of Ben off island now.

That very well could have been a veteranary hospital that the picture was taken .

I can't wait to watch a few more times.

But it was a child-sized coffin.

I can't put my finger on it,,but theres something about Sayid's flashforwards that made me think they happened AFTER the flashes in TTLG

It Is Sawyer.
I agree.

No way it's Ben. Jack went to the viewing expecting to see Kate. He was looking for her, not the occupant of the casket. I don't think he would have been expecting to see Kate attend a funeral for Ben.
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But it was a child-sized coffin.

No. It was standard size. Just filmed from an odd angle, which distorted the appearance of the size.

It is definitely not Sayid. Sayid would be One of the Six. If it was Sayids funeral, there would be a lot of people at the funeral becuase the Six are popular!

It has to be not a person of the Oceanic 815.

Therefore it has to be a freightie...or Roger.

It is definitely not Sayid. Sayid would be One of the Six. If it was Sayids funeral, there would be a lot of people at the funeral becuase the Six are popular!

But whoever it is could be using an alias. It doesn't necessarily dismiss Sayid at all, I think.

I don't think it puts either of them out of the running. My first guess is Ben based on Kate's reaction. We know that Ben left/can leave the island. Michael comes in a close second.

No way it is Ben, if this episode proved anything it is how much stroke Ben has he wouldn't be getting buried in the ghetto in L.A.

No way it is Ben, if this episode proved anything it is how much stroke Ben has he wouldn't be getting buried in the ghetto in L.A.

agreed. i've never thought it was ben.

my guesses have always been michael, locke, or sawyer.

there are only a couple things we know about the person in the coffin. 1) it's a man; (2) he allegedly commmitted suicide, (3) he allegedly has a teenage son, (4) his funeral is held in a poor african-american neighborhood, and no one attends, (5) jack doesn't consider him a friend and (6) kate seems to find the idea of attending his funeral ridiculous.

i've completely ruled ben out, because there's no way he'd ever committ suicide. ever. having ben in the coffin also seems too predictable.

michael, seems to be the logical choice. he has a son, he would be carrying a lot of guilt which could drive him to suicide, he's african-american, he seemed to have very few people in his life, and he pretty much screwed over jack and kate so i could understand jack saying he was not a friend and kate seeming angry at him.

michael in the coffin also seems too predictable to me, however. i think locke is a much more interesting choice. because he's older than the other losties, and as a result we have seen much less of his life in the flashbacks, i think it's entirely possible he has a son we don't know about. he'd also be likely to kill himself if he was taken from the island (because it seems he'd be paralyzed again). locke was also poor before he came to the island and had no one in his life. last, he's one of the few losties that jack does not consider a friend, and he has betrayed kate quite a few times as well.

but since this is lost we're talking about, and the story seems to always twist and turn in the direction we least expect, i've put my money on sawyer as the man in the coffin. i have no reason to believe this in particular, just that it's the least likely possibility, and therefore, the most interesting.

i can't see it being sayid. he's pretty tight with both jack and kate. i simply can't reconcile their reactions to the death of the man in the coffin with the relationship they have with sayid.

then again, since sayid is not a likely candidate for the coffin, maybe that's reason enough to believe it could be him . . . i'll have to rewatch this episode and give that some more thought.

Actually I've been toying with the idea for awhile that Sayid is the one in the coffin. And this episode seems to actually support that a bit.

I doubt it's Sayid. I can understand how you would think he would automatically be in the running from this episode. But Jack said he wasn't a friend, and Kate acted shocked that Jack would even mention the possibility of her going to the funeral. She said very strongly, "Why would I go??".....Sayid and Kate were always pretty good friends from everything I've seen. Unless there has been something that has happened between the three of them that we don't know about, which could be very possible, I doubt Sayid is in the coffin. I will stick with Ben or Locke still at this point. I'm sure that will change though as time goes on...this is LOST...lol.

I'm surprised no one mentioned him, I think Frank Lapidus is in the casket. Maybe Frank was Jack's only hope to return to the Island, he knew exactly where it was located.

He fits the description, would explain why no one attended the service.

I don't think it was any of the freighties because there's no emotional attachment built there with either Jack or the audience and IMO, it matters.

I hadn't considered it until tonite, but now I think its Sayid in the coffin. I can certainly see why he wouldn't have any friends or family show up for a memorial, not if he had been living the life of a roving assassin. And I can see how Sayid could be conflicted to the point of suicide by his actions.

See.... that's just not twisty enough for Lost. That the suicide was really a suicide and the noises the neighbors heard (according to the article) were nothing.

Ben is so NOT the suicidal type. Psychos don't show remorse. So I'm still hedging all my bets on Michael, but your post has made mea lean a bit towards Sayid. Except... wait... if it was someone from the Oceanic 6, they'd STILL be world famous after two years.

Sayid couldn't hide under an alias and live in NYC unless they also redid his face. It can't be someone from the Oceanic Six.

I say Ben!
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The teenage son could be Karl-by Marraige? idk just grasping for straws here...
:straws:

Just a guess but Frank mentioned he was a die hard Yankees fan since he lived in the Bronx. Could the funeral that Jack attended be for him? He was a drunken mess and perhaps Jack felt obligated to go?

I think we are going to have to find out a lot more about Frank before Jack would go to his funeral and Kate would have a look of disgust about him.

Nice idea, this may be correct.

I doubt it's Sayid. I can understand how you would think he would automatically be in the running from this episode. But Jack said he wasn't a friend, and Kate acted shocked that Jack would even mention the possibility of her going to the funeral. She said very strongly, "Why would I go??".....Sayid and Kate were always pretty good friends from everything I've seen. Unless there has been something that has happened between the three of them that we don't know about, which could be very possible, I doubt Sayid is in the coffin. I will stick with Ben or Locke still at this point. I'm sure that will change though as time goes on...this is LOST...lol.

Well, I think it's very possible that something could have happened that would cause a rift between Kate and Sayid. Perhaps she may even know what he has been up to with Ben.

I don't necessarily think it is absolutely Sayid. I thought it was Michael for the longest time but it just so obvious. Basically, I'm just saying Sayid can be thrown into the running. And I am sure over the course of the next couple seasons, even more folks will be as well as more is revealed. We just won't know till close to the end of the series, I bet. :) I just don't think we can rule out Sayid. (But I have never thought it was Ben, for the record! :D)

And another thing about Sayid... Assuming that he is in the coffin, this death seems to be the last straw for Jack. Jack, just like Hurley, had been slowly going crazy because of the secret he was keeping, and presumably because of the guilt he felt for leaving people behind on the island. But I assume that he KNEW that Sayid was out there 'protecting' the island and the survivors. Well, now Sayid is dead, and there's noone else left to protect the island, so Jack HAS TO GO BACK! He had a hard enough time letting someone else (Sayid) take care of the survivors, and now its up to him again. But of course he doesn't yet know how to get back, which is why he is so frustrated.

When we first saw the coffin I remember some debate on here whether or not an adult could be in there, no less Hurley. I don't think he could have fit in there.
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That could be, being that we saw last night Ben had many aliases-and it would explain why when Jack was asked if he was a friend or family he replied "Neither"

What's with the teenage son then? I'm delighted Ben gets more interesting fodder for his flashback, but there's too much soap opera in this show as it is. I think I'd rather have the teenage son who didn't come to the funeral be Walt and the guy in the coffin Michael.

The only problem I have with the idea of it being Sayid is that Jack says he's neither a friend nor a relative. I know that we have a whole lot of episodes left to reveal something that may or may not happen between Jack, Kate and Sayid for Kate to be indifferent about his death, and Jack to no longer consider him a friend, but it would have to be pretty drastic for sure. Then again, I probably would have said the same thing about Michael in Season 1 before he ticked everyone off, so I could be wrong.

-Michael is too obvious.
-John Lantham seems like an odd pseudonym for Sayid, plus he's obviously not poor.
-Ben is too rich to be buried in a poor neighborhood although maybe his pseudonym John Lantham is poor...who knows the extent of his secret personalities. I'd be sad to see him go...
-Hurley, crazy but never exhibited suicidal behavior.
-Locke, I don't think he'll ever leave the island but maybe he is forced off the island and then kills himself (and has a secret teenage son that we don't know about).
-Desmond, although he's a bit of a mystery, I don't think he has a teenage son. Don't know why he'd settle in LA either.

I can't believe we are probably going to have to wait 'til the end of the season to have this question answered and I bet each week the writers are gonna toss a new idea our way, just to confuse us. I hope it's not a let down. I'm leaning towards Ben living a life as a fake person named John Lantham or Locke is somehow forced off the island...

(NOTE: I'm putting this here rather than in the TTLG thread because my theory/theories specifically draw on speculation based on "The Economist"... However... since the question of who's in the coffin is of ongoing significance to the plotline of the show, I'm putting it in the general Season 4 forum, rather than "The Economist" forum... I'm new here, so, mods, if this should go somewhere else, feel free to move it.)

One of the big lingering questions that remain from last season of LOST is the identity of the person in the coffin in the finale... The more I think about it, especially in light of what we saw in this past Thursday's episode, the more I am becoming convinced that it is in fact my favorite Other, Benjamin Linus in the coffin.

I just had a series of epiphanies as I poured my glass of Rumple Minz in the kitchen, that will probably sound much less profound as I reproduce them here than when they initially occured to me, but, consider the following:

- There was no one at the funeral, save Jack and the funeral director. No friends, no family, no loved ones. Ben fits this profile. Both his parents are dead, he's an only child, he has no children of his own (other than Alex, and its easy to see the possibility of her not being there.), no real friends, lots of enemies, lived primarily on the Island, (I'm guessing) lived/lives a life of secrecy and international Bond-esque intrigue off the Island. It's easy to see why no one would show up at his funeral.

- If my hypothesis if correct, most, if not all of the obit that Jack reads is a fabrication... total fiction published in light of the true nature of Ben's secretive life. Perhaps even the fact that it was a suicide is fabricated. Read on...

- We know that Ben has enemies off the Island in the future. He is still up to his same old games. There are definitely an abundance of powerful people out there who would benefit from Ben's untimely and unnatural demise. Perhaps, to cover up the secrecy of their activities, they made it look like a suicide to cover their tracks. (If I'm right, I think this needs to be the case... I could *never* see Ben taking his own life, since that would be the ultimate admission of defeat... something totally contrary to Ben's character.)

- Contextual clues: The other main frontrunner for the man in the coffin so far is Michael... The clues we recieve from the obit would tend to lead us down this path, as John La(n)tham is listed as an artist from NYC, with a teenage son. Michael fits the bill. *But* Michael is the obvious choice based on the obit, and Damon and Carlton (the show's main writers, exec producers) are *much* more clever than having the man in the coffin be the obvious person based on the obit. Furthermore, we know that John Lantham is (most likely) an alias, and not a real name.... if the name is fake, that sets a precedent for the rest of the obit being fabricated as well, corroborating what I said above regarding a fabricated obit making it more likely that it is Ben, not Michael in the coffin.

And so at this point, we face a choice regarding which context clues we will follow in determining the person's identity - the details of the obit (quite possibly fabricated), *OR*, the contextual thematic clues given in the rest of the episode...

At this point in the future, Jack is frustrated, despondent, at his whit's end, and at the end of the episode, we learn why... He desperately wants to get back to the island. He realizes he needs to go back. And what would heighten the urgency of his need to go back more than the death of one of the people who is concievably his best hope of getting back to the Island - Ben - who is also the person we see in the present, on the Island, during the course of the episode, trying to convince Jack that the Freighters are malevolent and that calling the boat is "the beginning of the end."

Yes, the details of the obit point to Michael, but the subtext of the episode I think clearly points to Ben as the man in the coffin.

Some other things:

- If it's Michael in the coffin, where's Walt? Why is he not at his father's funeral?

- Clearly, the sequence of which flashforward happened first - Through the Looking Glass or The Economist - makes or breaks my theory. If TTLG happened first, then clearly it's *not* Ben in the coffin, since we see him alive in Sayid's FF in The Economist. Who knows when/how we'll know which is the case.

Hypothetically, perhaps this is the series of events - Sayid's/Ben's operations are clearly compromised - at the end of the Econ., Sayid says "They'll know I'm coming for them now." Since "they" know it's Sayid knocking them all off, perhaps, somehow they figure out Ben is behind it, kill him, the fake obit is written up, Jack finds it, and winds up at the funeral.

At this point, who knows who it is, but based on this latest epi, I think Ben is the clear frontrunner. Other possibilities, in my mind, include:

- Michael (for aforementioned reasons.)
- Locke
- Miles (note the proximity of LA and Inglewood, the location of Miles' FB. Also, Miles is pretty anti-social, as we can see, hence the possibility that no one would show up at his funeral.)
- a character we are as of yet unfamiliar with)
- no one (a faked death)
- Jacob(?) (I highly doubt it, but who really knows at this point)
- Walt
- Sawyer (grasping for straws at this point.)



So. That's my theory. I hope I'm wrong. Ben is my favorite character and I don't want to see him die, but his death in the future doesn't mean his exit from the show. In fact, it would potentially insure his prolonged stay on the show, since, if his death is in the future, he'll presumably be around for quite awhile for the on-Island portion of the story.

Discuss.

Even thou we don't know who all the Oceanic six are, you have to think that it would be covered by the media, the point I'm making is that it has to be someone that is not on the plane but was on the island and got off, also we know ben has many alias'....not saying its Ben because we are unaware of a teenage son, but if Michael is working for Ben there is a chance he would have a alias as well

- If my hypothesis if correct, most, if not all of the obit that Jack reads is a fabrication... total fiction published in light of the true nature of Ben's secretive life. Perhaps even the fact that it was a suicide is fabricated. Read on...



I don't think the obit was total fabrication because there had to be some clue in there that Jack and Kate would pick up on. It's possible that he knew that Ben was living a secret life in LA under the pseudonym John Lantham. As for the teenage son part, maybe Ben has reason to pretend that Karl is his teenage son in his secret off island life (or maybe he has a teenage son off-island). There's so much more information that needs to be revealed before I can make a positive guess but I agree that Ben is a good possibility, although I really don't want him to die.

how do we know it was someone that was on the island? taking the clue that kate could care less who had died, maybe it was someone who got them in this big mess. someone from the island who divided them up, someone from civilization who was behind the chaos. maybe it was frank the pilot and jack was upset because he thinks he's the only one who could get them back on the island!

how do we know it was someone that was on the island? taking the clue that kate could care less who had died, maybe it was someone who got them in this big mess. someone from the island who divided them up, someone from civilization who was behind the chaos. maybe it was frank the pilot and jack was upset because he thinks he's the only one who could get them back on the island!

Because the writers have stated that
the person in the coffin is a charcter that has been introduced during the first three seasons. That leaves everyone that's alive on the island from Jack (first person introduced, although obviously not in the coffin) to Naomi (probably not alive, but last person intro'd)

I have posted this numerous times on the obituary thread from season 3 and keep finding myself posting again...

Do a Google search on John Latham...Wiki...whatever...and post your thoughts.

If you think that it is anyone but Michael after reading the info, I would love to know your reasoning. ALL of the clues point to Michael.

That doesn't mean that it HAS to be Michael but I'll stick with that as my pick based on the John Latham search alone...until or if I'm proved wrong.

...and to answer the question, "why wasn't Walt there?" seems kind of simple really...Michael could have done something that has alienated Walt just like it has also alienated all of the rest of the O6. If he changed his identity to Latham, that would explain why none of his friends from his pre-island life attended. If he did something so diabolical that the Losties didn't bother, Walt may have felt the same way, father or not.

Also, since nobody reads the thread before posting, the writers confirmed last year that the person in the coffin was someone we have seen in the first 3 season of LOST. That leaves out any of the freighties (except Naomi, although doubtful), Ms Gardner, Elsa, etc.

Because the writers have stated that
the person in the coffin is a charcter that has been introduced during the first three seasons. That leaves everyone that's alive on the island from Jack (first person introduced, although obviously not in the coffin) to Naomi (probably not alive, but last person intro'd)
Thanks! Didn't know that.
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I have posted this numerous times on the obituary thread from season 3 and keep finding myself posting again...

Do a Google search on John Latham...Wiki...whatever...and post your thoughts.

If you think that it is anyone but Michael after reading the info, I would love to know your reasoning. ALL of the clues point to Michael.

That doesn't mean that it HAS to be Michael but I'll stick with that as my pick based on the John Latham search alone...until or if I'm proved wrong.

...and to answer the question, "why wasn't Walt there?" seems kind of simple really...Michael could have done something that has alienated Walt just like it has also alienated all of the rest of the O6. If he changed his identity to Latham, that would explain why none of his friends from his pre-island life attended. If he did something so diabolical that the Losties didn't bother, Walt may have felt the same way, father or not.

Also, since nobody reads the thread before posting, the writers confirmed last year that the person in the coffin was someone we have seen in the first 3 season of LOST. That leaves out any of the freighties (except Naomi, although doubtful), Ms Gardner, Elsa, etc.
I'm sorry, I must be stupid, but I googled John Latham and do not see what clues there are that point to Michael. I'd love for you to explain it to me.

I am not 100 percent sure but i think its Ben in the coffin. Why would jack be so upset because besides Kate he didnt really care for anyone that deeply on the island. And we know his wife is still alive. But its somone Kate didnt like, which to me rules out Hurley. And Hugo seems to be incarcerated happily at the present time which to me rules out him. Although it seems that black agent looks like he wants to kill somebody at all times.
But to me the person Jack would want in his life more than anyone is Ben. If all he cares about is getting back to the island. Michael seems like someone nobody has missed or even talked about all season 3 so why would it be him. And werent they in New York when Sayid killed that blonde spy bimbette?

I'm with Lenny that it's Michael in the coffin. The obit said it was a person from NY that was survived by a teenage son. The viewing was in a predominantly black neighborhood. The writers said the person in the coffin is someone we've already met

It all points to Micahel so far. Until I see evidence to the contrary, that's my story and I'm sticking to it!

I'm sorry, I must be stupid, but I googled John Latham and do not see what clues there are that point to Michael. I'd love for you to explain it to me.

To start, John Latham was a black artist (Michael is also a black artist) that was not from New York, but did spend time there and has/has many of his works displayed in New York City.

Some of this stuff is pretty deep (his theory of "event structure" as an example) but when you read the following bio, I think you'll see many references to LOST mythos (art, philosophy, science, the cosmos, and religion)...

Bridging artistic, philosophical and scientific ideas, Latham's theory of 'event structure' challenges the views of scientists and cosmologists. According to the theory everything that exists can be explained, not as atomic particles and waves, but as recurring time-based 'events' of finite duration. A 'least event' - the shortest departure from a state of nothingness - is, in the theory, the fundamental unit of existence. The recurrence of such events establishes a 'habit' and forms the basis for structures in reality. Recurring events of longer duration result in more complex phenomena such as objects, mental images and, ultimately, the cosmos.

God is Great (#2) is a freestanding sculpture comprising a large glass panel mounted across the spines of five folio-sized hardback books forming a block in the centre. These books are bound copies of The Times newspaper from 1964. A cluster of three smaller hard-bound books appears to be protruding, at varying angles, through the glass in the centre of the work. The books have been cut in half and bonded to the glass surface on both sides with a semi-translucent silicon adhesive. Higher up on the glass a hole suggesting the profile of a half-open book has been cut, as though providing a slot for the addition of a further book. The three books are used editions of the Bible, the Koran and the Talmud. The Koran has a brightly coloured decoration on its cover; the Bible is a dull, dark brown and the Talmud is bright blue. A smaller pale copy of the Bible has been slotted, whole, into a hole cut into one side of the larger Bible. On the other side of the glass, a smaller version of the Talmud has been stuck to the cover of the Bible. Fragments of text in Hebrew have been torn from the books and stuck onto the glass and parts of the books.

As its title indicates, God is Great (#2) is one of several works Latham made with the same title between 1990 and 2005 (the works listed below are Courtesy John Latham Estate and Lisson Gallery, London). All the works are based on the three holy books on which three great monotheistic religions are based – the Bible, the Koran and the Talmud – reflecting the artist’s belief that all varieties of religious teachings share the same origins in the human psyche. In the first work, God is Great (#1a) 1990, the books are set in a broken, many-edged shard of glass mounted on the spine of a thick hardback book. In the second, God is Great (#1b) 1991, the three holy books appear to traverse a triangular shard of glass suspended in a metal frame. God is Great (#4) 2005 presents the three books lying in a pool of shattered glass, perhaps reflecting the global tensions that have erupted between people of different faiths in recent times.

First off since its black history month im just going to ask why everyone is saying its predominately a black neighbor hood where this person is burried. But if Michael were dead, and did the things he did to save his son Walt, dont you think Walt would be at his funeral. Unless Walt is dead, then who knows. But just because the funeral care taker was black doesnt mean someone in the coffin is black.

And there is another john latham from england that is trying to prevent global warming through cooling of the atmosphere by extending and increasing the volume of the rain and moisture in the air. So I'd rather it be this guy than somone who taught art to yoko ono. But kate is starting to become the Yoko Ono of the island, all she does is flash her eyes between jack and sawyer. Is it me or are her flashbacks/ forwards the most boring on the show. Not that she is boring but its the stupiest storyline, The FBI, The CIA, The FCC, and NBC all are after her because she killed a guy. Not that its not a serious crime but they treat it like she is OJ and Jeff Dalmer and like she is some kind of chuck norris who needs to be hog tied or she'll get jackie chan on your ***.

But back to the point at hand! I still think its big bad ben!

I don't think anyone is saying that because the Funeral Director was black, the person in the coffin was also black. I know I didn't say that.

I sayd that a person from NY (like Michael), with a teenage son (like Michael), who the producers said we have met in S1-S3 (like Michael), who ended up in a funeral home in a black neighborhood (as per the people who live in LA and have told us so), is too much eveidence FOR Michael being in the coffin for us to ignore.

Fans who live in LA have already identified the neighborhood as a predominantly black neighboorhood. There were other black people on the street, too. The implication was very clear.

That said, TPTB could change their minds at any time, as they left everything very open; bit the clear intention in the TTLG FF was that Michael was in that coffin.

Why wwouldn't Walt want to see Michael? Who knows? But the last time we saw Walt it was 2004 in the island, three years have gone by when TTLG aired 2007; so, it's perfectly possible that Michael managed to alienate his son in such a period of time. Perhaps Walt did find out Michael murdered two people and he's not happy with it. Perhaps Walt is just being a regular teen. It's impossible to know now, but it's certainly very possible.

I sayd that a person from NY (like Michael), with a teenage son (like Michael), who the producers said we have (like Michael), who ended up in a funeral home in a black neighborhood (as per the people who live in LA and have told us so), is too much eveidence FOR Michael being in the coffin for us to ignore.
Fans who live in LA have already identified the neighborhood as a predominantly black neighboorhood. There were other black people on the street, too. The implication was very clear.

I have to say I agree as this was my thought too, the obit had said something to the effect that a man from NY died in LA, Michael (i believe) was the only one from NY. I also thought about the predominately black neighborhood. As to why Walt wasnt there, it's anyone's guess, there could be a million reasons.
My personal theory as to why Kate seemed so nonchalant about the funeral was because she was upset that after Michael and Walt left the island, they never sent rescue???

I have to say I agree as this was my thought too, the obit had said something to the effect that a man from NY died in LA, Michael (i believe) was the only one from NY. I also thought about the predominately black neighborhood. As to why Walt wasnt there, it's anyone's guess, there could be a million reasons.
My personal theory as to why Kate seemed so nonchalant about the funeral was because she was upset that after Michael and Walt left the island, they never sent rescue???

No to mention the fact that Michael betrayed them all and killed two people in the process. As of now Michael is still a bad guy in the world of LOST. Of course this could all change in the course of an episode since people think Ben has become a good guy...

in eggtown jack said in court 8 people survived and now we know of the oceanic 6

jack
kate
hurley
sayid
aaron
????

whats happened to the other two?? im assuming one if the funeral and the other?

in eggtown jack said in court 8 people survived and now we know of the oceanic 6

jack
kate
hurley
sayid
aaron
????

whats happened to the other two?? im assuming one if the funeral and the other?

Jack said 8 people survived the crash and two died on the island (before they were rescued). Whichever way they spin Aaron, he was not, technically, an 815 passenger. He didn't have a ticket, and they can't say Kate already had a baby when she boarded 815, so, he doesn't count as an O6.

That makes the known O6 to be (in order of FF appearance):

Jack (TTLG)
Kate (TTLG)
Hurley (TBOTE)
Sayid (TE)

We still have two more places to fill.

Regarding the person in the coffing, TPTB have recently stated in an EW interview that:

they will be showing us who was in the coffin THIS season, so, it doesn't look like we'll have to wait much longer :)

I think the michael being john latham theory is still at best a wild card. If he is a famous or even influential artist that this john latham seems to be, dont you think one person in the entire world would be touched by his work and care that he was dead. And not only that when an artist dies wouldnt there be people interested in the value of his art almost immediatley.

I dont care what happens the rest of the season you cant tell me Jack and Michael are gonna be like Wes Snipes and Woody in white men cant jump in the next few episodes. So Jack wouldnt be suicidal over the guy that shot 2 white chicks cause uncle ben said so. Plus john latham had art in major museums i think he can afford a nicer setting for his funeral arrangements then this shady looking area that we've seen.
I still think something is up and i would look to the evil twin book. Whatever happened with the hanso foundation doing cloning and life extention programs. And by the way hurley was talking locke turned out to be a bad dude since he said in the future he should have went with jack which means somewhere down the road locke is going down and probaly sawyer with him.

I cant see the show having everyone of the stars surviving...but i agree in that saying someone we met in the first 3 seasons would lead you to believe its someone that isnt on right now.

The obit doesn't mention an artist. And I think Jack's suicidal because of many things, not just the person in the coffin. That was just the last straw, IMO.

One doesn't become suicidal overnight

I think the michael being john latham theory is still at best a wild card. If he is a famous or even influential artist that this john latham seems to be, dont you think one person in the entire world would be touched by his work and care that he was dead. And not only that when an artist dies wouldnt there be people interested in the value of his art almost immediatley.

I dont care what happens the rest of the season you cant tell me Jack and Michael are gonna be like Wes Snipes and Woody in white men cant jump in the next few episodes. So Jack wouldnt be suicidal over the guy that shot 2 white chicks cause uncle ben said so. Plus john latham had art in major museums i think he can afford a nicer setting for his funeral arrangements then this shady looking area that we've seen.
I still think something is up and i would look to the evil twin book. Whatever happened with the hanso foundation doing cloning and life extention programs. And by the way hurley was talking locke turned out to be a bad dude since he said in the future he should have went with jack which means somewhere down the road locke is going down and probaly sawyer with him.

I cant see the show having everyone of the stars surviving...but i agree in that saying someone we met in the first 3 seasons would lead you to believe its someone that isnt on right now.

*If* Michael = John Lantham (and that's a very big "if"), TPTB would not be equating him with *the* John Lantham in real life, they would merely be naming him that as a homage to the real John Lantham.... just like we are not to equate John Locke with the real John Locke.:)

It's *not* Michael though... Why? Because he's the obvious choice based on the text of the obit.... the obit fits Michael like a glove. Are Damon and Carlton ever *that* obvious? No. It's Ben. If I were a betting man, I would put *serious* money on this. See my previous post in this thread for the reasons why it's Ben.

Are Damon and Carlton ever *that* obvious? No

Desmond told Charlie he was going to die pretty early in S3, and Charlie did die, so, yes, they have been obvious before. Plus, we know the content of the obit because of all the detailed obsession we have, but, we are 1% of the fan base; the average viewer has no idea what the obit said.

Plus, we know the content of the obit because of all the detailed obsession we have, but, we are 1% of the fan base; the average viewer has no idea what the obit said.

Ha!:) True. That's a good point.

I'm sticking with Ben, though, based on my original post on this here:

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=1768991#post1768991

CrazyLatin007 is right. They are not counting Aaron.

The other two survivors from the Oceanic 6 are Sun and Jin.

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First off since its black history month im just going to ask why everyone is saying its predominately a black neighbor hood where this person is burried. But if Michael were dead, and did the things he did to save his son Walt, dont you think Walt would be at his funeral. Unless Walt is dead, then who knows. But just because the funeral care taker was black doesnt mean someone in the coffin is black.

I live in L.A. and the place where the funeral home was located looked very much like it was in part of downtown L.A. Downtown L.A. is a dichotomy -- lots of areas that are very poor, interspersed with gentrified condominiums and warehouses that have been refurbished as artists' lofts. So it is conceivable that the funeral home may have been chosen due to its proximity to the place where the body was found, rather than the race of the person in the coffin, so I don't really think that in itself is necessarily a clue.

That being said, I think it IS Michael in the coffin, even though many here seem to think it's too obvious. You'd be surprised how many people who don't come to this board are totally convinced it's Ben, and that the idea that it might be Michael seems total whacked to them.

Also, the fact is that this has happened before. When Shannon died, lots of people thought assumed she would be the one to be axed. Then, the discussion went in another direction because people thought it was too obvious. Boom! Turned out to be Shannon. Same when Ana Lucia bought it and the same with Charlie.

So, there's definitely a precedent for the most obvious Lostie to, in fact, end up being the one who dies.

I think it's empty.

I think it's empty.

You're funny Meano! Keep stirrin' the pot!:biggrin:

I think it's Jack

How is it possible? Don't ask me i don't know.