She murdered he father, and was in handcuffs when the plane crashed......

...between Hanso, Widmore and Paik there would be enough legal and illegal clout to make people or evidence go away...

Don't forget, it wasn't her father she murdered, it was her STEP father.....
He father comes in later, I won't say how because I haven't figured out how to use the spoiler thingie...
But STEP father...

Still, I wondered why she wasn't in jail either...

Shouldn't this be in spoilers?

It's not a spoiler. The only things discussed being discussed here are things we have already seen on screen during the episode airings. Speculation is fine in the open, as long as it isn't informed by spoilers.

It's not a spoiler. The only things discussed being discussed here are things we have already seen on screen during the episode airings. Speculation is fine in the open, as long as it isn't informed by spoilers.

exactly. Now it would be a spoiler if i told you i met a local girl who worked as an extra and said the scene she was in took place in a
women's correctional facility. that's all i know but it might mean something later on.

Interesting... I believe it was her real father she killed, she thought it was her step father but found out otherwise later.. He was actually oversees...

It was her father she killed. She thought Wayne was her stepfather, and when she found out he was her biological father, she killed him

I wondered, too, but maybe she's living under an assumed identity. Depending on how she got off the Island or perhaps with help from "whomever", it wouldn't be that difficult.

Don't forget, it wasn't her father she murdered, it was her STEP father.....
He father comes in later, I won't say how because I haven't figured out how to use the spoiler thingie...
But STEP father...

Still, I wondered why she wasn't in jail either...

I've always thought he was her FATHER - biologically.

Kate's Mom and her father had a relationship. (Kate not conceived yet)
Kate's Mom met Army guy - broke up with Kate's father and married Army guy.(still no Kate)
Army guy goes to Korea and Kate's mom resumes relationship with Kate's dad - Kate conceived.
Army guy comes back finds Kate's Mom pregnant and marriage over.
Kate's Mom and Kate's dad get together.

Kate has always claimed - even knowing that it is not true - that Army guy is her Father because he acted like one.

AS for her not being incarcerated - I'm sure that part of the deal of not giving the information up about the other Losties left on the Island is to make all of Kate's legal problems go away in exchange for her silence.

I think that she either gets pardoned after her ordeal of the plane crash & being on the island OR she assumes a different identity after the plane crash to avoid prosecution.

She could take on Shannon's identity. Her dad is dead, Boone is dead and her step mom wants nothing to do with her.

She could take on Shannon's identity. Her dad is dead, Boone is dead and her step mom wants nothing to do with her.


Huh. Very true. I didn't think of that idea. Good call!

I just figured it was part of the 'deal' she made with Oceanic / Hanso / Widmore, etc.,
take your pick.

They had to hold something over her in order to keep her quiet about the others that were left behind....or so goes my theory :undecide:

Jack can't keep lying and Hurley's going mad with guilt.....maybe Kate sees it as a fair trade-off for her....her silence for her freedom
:shrug:

I am baffeled whay she is not in jail as well. After a plane crash was found I would assume that the athorities would want her rather quick, but she also said to Jack that she had to get back as "He" would wonder where I was? Was that Sawyer she was refering to or ......long guess here ,could she have taken Arron and was acting like Claire? I can not even begin to beleive this because Desmond claimed to see clair get on the rescue helocopter...but the Oceanic 6 does not add up to me/

All said and thought, I have no thery to why why she is off the island and NOT in jail..... (now I will place my foot in my mouth and not talk)

It's not a spoiler. The only things discussed being discussed here are things we have already seen on screen during the episode airings. Speculation is fine in the open, as long as it isn't informed by spoilers.

Okay. Got confused momentarily :confused:

I'm betting she either got pardoned as a feel good gesture for surviving the crash (with her father being then accused in the press of abuse justifying her actions) or whoever she's with has enough cash and/or clout to have gotten her off. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if the man she's with is Widmore himself just so he could have tighter grasp on the Oceanic 6.

If there is a Kate flashforward I expect it to deal almost entirely with this question.

Gosh, I didn't even think of this. Good catch. You're right, if she's a celebrity because she was one of the "Oceanic Six", why is she free, now that she's back home? But I agree with the others who've posted so far. I bet The Hanso Foundation made some kind of deal to keep her out of jail, and to keep them all quiet. The creepy "rep for Oceanic" who visited Hurley in the mental ward would be enough to keep me quiet, that's for sure.

I was also wondering why she wasn't in jail. Perhaps the authorities figured that she had been punished enough so time served. I hope this does get answered.

You're right, if she's a celebrity because she was one of the "Oceanic Six", why is she free, now that she's back home?

Well what if she isn't one of the Oceanic Six? Who's to say that more than six people didn't get off the island? It could just be that six of them are 'famous' and known to the public, but maybe others also made it off but they have to keep a low profile or adopt a different identity.

i think i am missing something. i have seen every episode but have no idea why pennys dad would play a role in their leaving the island. can someone clear this up or point me in the right direction. Sorry if i sound like an idiot i am just confused.

Well what if she isn't one of the Oceanic Six? Who's to say that more than six people didn't get off the island? It could just be that six of them are 'famous' and known to the public, but maybe others also made it off but they have to keep a low profile or adopt a different identity.

This is what I'm thinking. Obviously the deal that was made was very high-stakes, and there's no reason to think that it wouldn't include multiple layers of deception.

She murdered he father, and was in handcuffs when the plane crashed......

you see, this (IN MY OPINION) is why i dont think Kate is one of the Oceanic 6. Thats why she can't communicate with the outside world, perhaps she found her own way out...
So thats why Hurley and Jack are allowed to communicate but Kate has to stay hidden from the media, government, ect.... maybe she sneaked on a helicopter or something, idk.
I question if she was even there! Jack was poppin pills at the time, ,maybe he imagined her...:O

She said she had to be getting back or he'd wonder. But I'd think that anyone that made it home from the island wouldn't be surprised about anyone else getting in touch with anyone else that made it back from the island. So I don't think she has to be getting back to Saywer, but someone else.

AS for her not being incarcerated - I'm sure that part of the deal of not giving the information up about the other Losties left on the Island is to make all of Kate's legal problems go away in exchange for her silence.

That would make perfect sense.
Hat tip GettinLost

Perhaps the prosecutor thought he'd be unable to get a convinction in the case because of Kate becoming famous for being one of the Oceanic Six. He offers her probabtion or a short jail term instead. The evidence might be a bit weak. We don't know how much physical evidence there actually was. How strong is the case against Kate?

perhaps she has already served her term. we dont know, based on the FF, how much time has elapsed from them getting off the island, to the points of the FF's. clearly the one from last season takes place further in the future from the one of this seasons openner. jacks beard being the evidence of that.

She may have been found temporarily insane, or reduced to a justifiable homocide. The marshal who is now dead was the principle law enforcement agent of the case, how much of that case was on the plane? was all the evidence on the plane and nothiing as yet had been turned over to the appropriate district attorneys or prosecutors?

perhaps she has already served her term. we dont know, based on the FF, how much time has elapsed from them getting off the island, to the points of the FF's. clearly the one from last season takes place further in the future from the one of this seasons openner. jacks beard being the evidence of that.

She may have been found temporarily insane, or reduced to a justifiable homocide. The marshal who is now dead was the principle law enforcement agent of the case, how much of that case was on the plane? was all the evidence on the plane and nothiing as yet had been turned over to the appropriate district attorneys or prosecutors?

We also should remember Kates mum was in Hospital dying in one of her Flashbacks if she is dead and was the main witness then with COL_Richard ideas do add up

Oddshot :cool:

I've always thought he was her FATHER - biologically.

Kate's Mom and her father had a relationship. (Kate not conceived yet)
Kate's Mom met Army guy - broke up with Kate's father and married Army guy.(still no Kate)
Army guy goes to Korea and Kate's mom resumes relationship with Kate's dad - Kate conceived.
Army guy comes back finds Kate's Mom pregnant and marriage over.
Kate's Mom and Kate's dad get together.

Kate has always claimed - even knowing that it is not true - that Army guy is her Father because he acted like one.



What epi is this in? How did I forget this? Or is this speculation??

It's in What Kate Did IIRC.

Well what if she isn't one of the Oceanic Six? Who's to say that more than six people didn't get off the island? It could just be that six of them are 'famous' and known to the public, but maybe others also made it off but they have to keep a low profile or adopt a different identity.

That's exactly what I've been thinking since Hurley said "Oceanic Six." In last season's flash forward, Kate obviously wanted jack to leave her be. Maybe she made a deal to remain out of jail and anonymous, and Jack is endangering the deal. Maybe the "he" she's referring to isn't her partner or kid, but someone who's keeping tabs on her whereabouts on behalf of Oceanic/Abbadon/whoever. And like you say, maybe the "Six" are just the happy face of the survivors of 815, and there are others running around out there too. The number might just be a diversion to keep us busy guessing.

That's exactly what I've been thinking since Hurley said "Oceanic Six." In last season's flash forward, Kate obviously wanted jack to leave her be. Maybe she made a deal to remain out of jail and anonymous, and Jack is endangering the deal. Maybe the "he" she's referring to isn't her partner or kid, but someone who's keeping tabs on her whereabouts on behalf of Oceanic/Abbadon/whoever. And like you say, maybe the "Six" are just the happy face of the survivors of 815, and there are others running around out there too. The number might just be a diversion to keep us busy guessing.

I think you are correct. I also think this means that people like Juliet or Ben may have made it off but wouldn't be part of the Oceanic 6.

Hi folks. This is a good topic to ponder on. My guess is that Kate was presumed legally dead, and announced as such, after Flight 815 was found. In America, "A law passed last year allows judges to declare death in less than three years if a missing person was exposed to a "specific peril." "[Source: Newsday (http://www.newsday.com/ny-nydead182370712sep18,0,799773.story)] I would call the crash of Flight 815 just that. Keep in mind that her lead investigator was also on the plane and died also.

So what if, hypothetically, they closed the case without conclusion. It would take specific motivation to re-open the case, and seeing as how it was Kate's family, who loved her, who would have the most standing and impetus to do so, I believe that's why it would remain closed. The investigator is gone, she and the others are nationally lauded as heroes, and remember, she was running from the law for years on this one; it wasn't exactly a fresh case. I think it escapes through the cracks.

I'm going to research the entire post-presumptive death thing to see if it has ever happened--prosecution, that is.

AMEN
IC

Well what if she isn't one of the Oceanic Six? Who's to say that more than six people didn't get off the island? It could just be that six of them are 'famous' and known to the public, but maybe others also made it off but they have to keep a low profile or adopt a different identity.


I think this is a DEFINITE possibility. I thought of this while re-watching "The Economist" today and was going to proudly post this, but did a search first...:frown:

There was nothing in last season's finale to show that she is "known". It would explain some things: why Kate is not in jail and who "he" is. Sawyer. He would want to stay anonymous because if he was famous, it would ruin his "career" :)

Let's face it, the "Oceanic 6" would be a tag the media hangs on the group of "known" survivors. Ben could get maybe people back on the sly - it seems he's been doing that for himself for a time with all the fake passports.

Don't forget, it wasn't her father she murdered, it was her STEP father.....
He father comes in later, I won't say how because I haven't figured out how to use the spoiler thingie...
But STEP father...
Wrong, dude.
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It was her father she killed. She thought Wayne was her stepfather, and when she found out he was her biological father, she killed him
Yep.

I'm going to research the entire post-presumptive death thing to see if it has ever happened--prosecution, that is.

AMEN
IC

Oh, my, yes. Most (all?) of the people who fake their deaths are running from something. There was a sensational case quite recently--a man who was found in Panama years after his "death":

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/7134553.stm

I think this thread can be closed now.