Fantastic. A cultural anthropologist named whose name references the author. Any Lewis freaks out there with thoughts?

I love it. Though I mostly doubt it has any real significance. It could, though, I suppose.

Yeah that was pretty awesome!!
All her background info that Ben said was pretty much the same as Lewis'
hmmm...any significance??

down the rabbit hole we go...

Yeah that was pretty awesome!!
All her background info that Ben said was pretty much the same as Lewis'
hmmm...any significance??

Hey, you're spot on about the biography. I just checked it out at wikipedia as well.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._S._Lewis

Interesting about Lewis's science fiction work and the thematic similarities to many of our island themes. I know we'll have the Lewis experts here soon!

C.S. Lewis is that from The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe? That would be the 2nd "Lewis" author, we also have Lewis Carroll from the "Alice" adventures.

Hey, you're spot on about the biography. I just checked it out at wikipedia as well.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._S._Lewis

Interesting about Lewis's science fiction work and the thematic similarities to many of our island themes. I know we'll have the Lewis experts here soon!

Mmm.. the Space Trilogy. Indeed. That's interesting. Great catch about the biography bit- I knew most of that, yet it totally flew by me unnoticed. :p

I just figured that out myself.....and just was reding wiki when I came back here to post something about C S Lewis and our new Charlotte....

great catch!!

They both have the same middle name- Staples. Not a common one, I might add.
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Interestingly, out of the silent planet, book one of the space trilogy by lewis, is about humans who travel to mars and find several species of intelligent life. while they assume the species are in conflict, they soon discover that they actually live in harmony in a delicate balance, and it the humans who are bringing destruction to their planet...

C.S. Lewis is that from The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe? That would be the 2nd "Lewis" author, we also have Lewis Carroll from the "Alice" adventures.

CS Lewis did write The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe, among 6 others in the Chronicles of Narnia series.

I am an Lewis freak---I am a big fan of all of his work. His non-fiction work is great! I'm stretched pretty thin right now, and hopefully rewatching the episode this weekend and thinking about LOST in general, I can make some good connections.

I'm in the middle of reading Perelandra, the 2nd book in his Space Trilogy, which takes place on Venus, which is mostly water, some "fixed land" but the native inhabitants were ordered to live only on the floating islands, which the Earthling considers paradise...

My first thought on her name was the weirdness of the middle and last name being the same. Not sure I like that one too much...it's too stretching.

CS Lewis did write The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe, among 6 others in the Chronicles of Narnia series.

I am an Lewis freak---I am a big fan of all of his work. His non-fiction work is great! I'm stretched pretty thin right now, and hopefully rewatching the episode this weekend and thinking about LOST in general, I can make some good connections.

I'm in the middle of reading Perelandra, the 2nd book in his Space Trilogy, which takes place on Venus, which is mostly water, some "fixed land" but the native inhabitants were ordered to live only on the floating islands, which the Earthling considers paradise...

My first thought on her name was the weirdness of the middle and last name being the same. Not sure I like that one too much...it's too stretching.

It is quite a stretch, just throwing it out there :) . I read some of his books as a kid, the Space trilogy sounds intresting.

Interestingly enough, C.S. Lewis was a member of a literary group called The Inklings, of which the other most known member was J.R.R. Tolkien. Those two were best friends (I'm a big Tolkien fanatic), and at one point they each chose a topic for the other to write about. For Lewis, Tolkien chose Space Travel (Out of the Silent Planet), and for Tolkien, Lewis chose Time Travel (leading to a little-known story by Tolkien called "The Lost Road").

Doubt it's of any significance, though, probably just a coincidence.

she is a smoking hot tomb raiderish chic, im into her ;)...even though she is evil

C.S. Lewis was an atheist who converted to Christianity later, so does this mean that she will switch sides and join the losties at some point? Also Oritz34 you forget the rule of Lost, the really attractive women are good, Kate, Danielle, Alex, Juliet.

the space trilogy is broadly about the conflict between spirituality and dry, scientific rationality. For lewis, spirituality was the side of life, with the scientific side leading to a cold world of efficiency and power. it could reference the struggle between faith and reason, between dharma and jacob, between jack and locke, that comes up so frequently in the show

Huge Lewis fan here - one interesting thing is that in the Narnia of his books, time runs very differently than the "real world", with hundreds of Narnian years passing during a human childhood. We already know that Time plays some kind of part of this whole Island mythology. Lewis also explained an idea of time, God's POV perhaps, of an "eternal present" , where everything happens at once - the cause and effect; the choice and consequence. There is no "seeing the future" or "making" someone do something to have a desired effect - there is only a present, watching someone do something and seeing the "aftereffects" at the same time. So, Desmond's flashes would be less about the future and more about the "now", and all of his efforts to save Charlie happened not in a different iteration of time, but all at once.
And, Lewis' "Till we Have Faces" talks about a princess entrapped by someone only she can see. The book centers around her family's attempts to save her from what they believe is surely a delusion, while she insists that the man is real and her husband! I know there's more to the story but I haven't read it in a while.

If it's a deliberate reference, there's a lot of material there.

Yes! Definite similarities between the god in till we have faces and jacob!

C.S. Lewis is also famously a major writer of Christian-themed lit., which we know has running themes throughout Lost.

I didn't catch the connection between Charlotte's name and C. S. Lewis. Then, I confused C. S. Lewis with Lewis Carroll. Now, that I'm all straightened out, so to speak, I this is another one of those things the writers throw in for the die-fans (such as ourselves) to speculate and dissect. I haven't read his science fiction but now I'm interested and I will have to see what the library has!

Huge Lewis fan here - one interesting thing is that in the Narnia of his books, time runs very differently than the "real world", with hundreds of Narnian years passing during a human childhood. We already know that Time plays some kind of part of this whole Island mythology. Lewis also explained an idea of time, God's POV perhaps, of an "eternal present" , where everything happens at once - the cause and effect; the choice and consequence. There is no "seeing the future" or "making" someone do something to have a desired effect - there is only a present, watching someone do something and seeing the "aftereffects" at the same time. So, Desmond's flashes would be less about the future and more about the "now", and all of his efforts to save Charlie happened not in a different iteration of time, but all at once.
And, Lewis' "Till we Have Faces" talks about a princess entrapped by someone only she can see. The book centers around her family's attempts to save her from what they believe is surely a delusion, while she insists that the man is real and her husband! I know there's more to the story but I haven't read it in a while.

If it's a deliberate reference, there's a lot of material there.

thanks bludab,
the part about 'time running differently' is a great catch.....very interesting :biggrin:

In the Chronicles of Narnia the children pass through a "portal" into another world that time passes by differently, This may be another reference to going through a portal to get to the island, the island is invisible to those except the ones that know where it is.

the C.S. Lewis reference is interesting. However, the first thing I thought of, especially with the possibility of time-shifting or alternate time-lines, was Charlotte Sometimes (Charlotte S.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_Sometimes_%28book%29

Along the lines of the portal...
In the Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, the children get to Narnia through the wardrobe... Lucy stumbles into Narnia one day by hiding in a wardrobe. Later she tries to go back and the wardrobe is just a wardrobe. It seems that they can't control when they can get into Narnia... almost as though it has to call them there.
hmmm....

This is very interesting. I need to read up on the bio of C. S. Lewis.

The first Narnia book is "the magicians nephew". In it Digory and Polly enter a wooded land of deep pools, which lead them to and from other worlds, including England and the birth of Narnia. Desmond's boat, Oceanic 815 and the Others seem to have reached the island through a portal. Perhaps the Lost island is like this intermediate place, but replace worlds with time. It then becomes a hub from which many time periods can be reached and returned from. Light was seen by the physicist as being refracted unusually on the island, indicating perhaps magnetic interference. Perhaps somehow Mittelos (who overtook Dharma) have lost a steady read on the location of the island, which could be as a result of the hatch implosion. IMO the helicopter rescuers are expendable, and are only there to give Mittelos a constant location reading of this unusual island.

Yeah, I picked up on the name too, and then checked it out on wikipedia. so cool. especially with the new Narnia movie coming out soon.

I absolutely love love love these references! Sheer genius on the writers' part.

Interesting correlation/hint to the possibility of other worlds.

Not only is there the fact that time runs differently in Narnia, and the whole "portal" thing, but also that Narnia is, in fact, the afterlife (or heaven, if you will). This ties in nicely with Lost's whole redemption theme.

Fascinating stuff. I'm always amazed at what insight you all bring in talking about these cool literary, cultural items the writers throw out there to help us (or hinder?) in seeing where LOST is going. When they said her name followed by "Staples Lewis" I was in shock. I knew it right away. But I was still in shock. I didn't have time to really think about it, but an amazing connection. A great addition to the Island and I hope she sticks around for a while.

Just to add my little bit. You might also want to look into C.S. Lewis' "The Problem of Pain" and his "A Grief Observed." Additionally, the movie Shadowlands based on his romance with an American and Lewis played by Anthony Hopkins. Lewis focuses a lot on "pain" being not so much a "bad thing" but in his philosophy part of what calls out to us to change or in his view part of redemption. The Island seems to use pain (real, imagined, or in the past) as part of one's journey toward redemption. Interesting stuff. Thanks for all of your insights you give. This forum rocks.

Remember too that in Lion/Witch&Wardrobe, FOUR children are transported to another world in order to help save it. That may be our four Freighties intention too.

With all the theories about time travel and time disparities, could the C.S. Lewis reference indicate that the island is akin to Narnia:

You get there by accident, you can't go intentionally.

Getting to the island is a little like going through the wardrobe.

The island has the ability to call you back (like in Price Caspian)

Aslan = Jacob

The time pattern in Narnia doesn't follow that of our world, so when the kids return to our world, no time has passed, and when they go back to Narnia a year later, 100 years has passed - Jack's time quote, the polar bear in the desert, etc. etc.

Perhaps the freighties had been to the island before and wanted to get back, just like the kids in Narnia, and when they heard about flight 815, they knew there was a connection.

There's more, but I'm tired... does anyone think this could be the reference instead of CS Lewis' scientific books?

If Aslan = Jacob, then that means that someone has to be the White Witch and try and destroy Jacob.

I think Jack is the Lion, Ben is the Witch, and Claire is the Wardrobe.

Do you think Charlotte Lewis' middle name begins with a "S"?

Do you think in the Pilot of Season 1, the makers of the show could only afford to hire a polar bear from the animal trainers, instead of a lion? :)

It does, Charlotte Staples Lewis, a reference to Clive Staples Lewis obviously.

Remember too that in Lion/Witch&Wardrobe, FOUR children are transported to another world in order to help save it. That may be our four Freighties intention too.

Except there were/are five Freighties. Who knows what's gonna happen with Naomi ... yet.

I'm also a huge Lewis fan and I'm so excited to see this thread.
Don't have anything new to add.
I love all of the insights!

Its been years since I have read the series, but I got this from Wikipedia:

Fans of the series often have strong opinions over the correct ordering of the books. When the books were originally published, they were not numbered. The first American publisher, Macmillan, put numbers on the books in the order in which they were published. When HarperCollins took over the series in 1994, the books were renumbered using the internal chronological order, as suggested by Lewis' stepson, Douglas Gresham.

The reasoning? Time issues within the series. The story flips back and forth between past, present, and things that are occuring at the same time (The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe occurs the same time a The Horse and His Boy.) LOST mirrors the time thing with FBs and FFs.

What an interesting thread... I love C.S. Lewis' Space Trilogy, but totally missed the name reference.

In 'Out of the Silent Planet' the hero, Ransom, is backpacking when he is strangely drawn to a house that ultimately leads to his being kidnapped and sent to Mars. Once there, he begins a journey for which he was apparently destined and like Jack he has a very important job to do.

As the writers have added the name CS Lewis to the long list of literary references on the show, it makes me wonder what of Lewis' work will (or already has) found its way into the plot. The most obvious to date is the image of being tied to a chair, which has resonance from The Silver Chair, one of the seven books in Lewis' Narnia series. A prince (Jacob? ) is held in captivity by an evil character (Ben?). (Not to mention Anthony Cooper, Charlie, Sayid.) Another is the notion of a portal between dimensions/realities/worlds. The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe offers a magic wardrobe through which a group of siblings journey to Narnia, where it is always winter, but never Christmas. This might account for a polar bear turning up far from its likely experimental home in The Orchid." Also the alarming bunny event in The Orchid speaks to matter transmission as well.

Time in Narnia, as in the Lost Island, happens at a different rate than in the "real" world. This might account for time anomalies between the realms. (And why Walt is taller since he's off island.)

Taking it beyond what we have seen, if LOST might be some version of Narnia, who is the white witch (Ben?), and who might be Aslan?

I read all the Chronicles of Narnia books and remember reading up on Lewis too as a kid. Wasn't Aslan a reference to God or Christ, since the lion was represented as a figure for that in much Christian imagery? I think Jacob would be an obvious choice here as Aslan, having the biblical name. Speaking of books, this plot reminds me a bit of The Stand, with Jacob representing the old lady.

Yes, Aslan was the Christ figure. And the writers have said before that Lost is basically The Stand set on an island.

Hmmmm.....did you know that CS Lewis was best buds with Tolkein?

In Prince Caspian (one of the Narnian books), at the end Aslan provides a new home for the Telmarines who had taken over Narnia, which turns out to be their original homeland, an island in the South Sea of our world. Their ancestors were pirates who shipwrecked onto the island and proceeded to kill the original inhabitants and then fight among themselves. One group happened upon a cave which was "one of the magical places of that world, one of the chinks or chasms between that world [earth] and this [narnia]". Probably means nothing, but fun none the less!

The thing that really struck me about the "coincidence" of Charlotte's full name being related to our dear Clive Staples was that to his best friends, C.S. Lewis was known as "Jack".

Would anyone care to guess who one of his best friends was? J.R.R. Tolkien, author of the Lord of the Rings. His first name happens to be John.

Interesting, I thought.

I'm also a big C.S.Lewis fan. I can't wait to see where the connection lies.

"There are no ordinary people.. it is immortals whom we joke with, work with, marry, snub, and exploit."
C.S. Lewis

In The Magician's Nephew, Digory and Polly stumble into a strange forest. It's a place referred to as the world between worlds, if I'm remembering correctly. In it, they notice the strange way light refracts, just like Dan Faraday on the island. Thought that was a nice connection, too.

I love it. Though I mostly doubt it has any real significance. It could, though, I suppose.

If that were true then they wouldn't have given her the same middle name as the author.

-- J

I've read through and I don't believe that anyone has mentioned Lewis' 'The Dark Tower' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Tower_%281977_novel%29)yet.

The time travel theme is significant, given Desmond's little journey in season 3, and it's interesting to note that it deals with parallel timelines rather than the splitting-off from a single point, which is the traditional view of how variant timelines might occur.

I immediately thought of C.S. Lewis when we were told Charlotte's full name was Charlotte Staples Lewis. I'm a big fan of C.S. Lewis (and his friend J.R.R. Tolkien). I've even been to the Eagle and Child pub in Oxford where the Inklings met.

Something I read on another board ( I think it may have been the Pop Candy blog at USA Today) is really interesting. C.S. Lewis had a stepson named David (the Wikipedia listing for C.S. Lewis confirms this) and when Ben was telling us all about Charlotte, he said her father was named David.

In The Magician's Nephew, Digory and Polly stumble into a strange forest. It's a place referred to as the world between worlds, if I'm remembering correctly. In it, they notice the strange way light refracts, just like Dan Faraday on the island. Thought that was a nice connection, too.
Great pickup on light refraction in the Magician's Nephew (by CSLewis). Here's some other connections: Digory's Uncle Andrew is abusive. The rings that get Polly and Digory there and back are made out of dust which came from a small box which originated from Atlantis (which means the interim place could be Atlantis). The yellow ring takes them to the "Other Place"; in this Other Place there are no birds, insects and animals. The visited worlds belong to a totally new Universe.

The thing that really struck me about the "coincidence" of Charlotte's full name being related to our dear Clive Staples was that to his best friends, C.S. Lewis was known as "Jack".

Would anyone care to guess who one of his best friends was? J.R.R. Tolkien, author of the Lord of the Rings. His first name happens to be John.

Interesting, I thought.

Tolkien also converted the previously atheist Lewis to Christianity. Just another sign of what I've said all along -- LISTEN TO LOCKE!;)

Hey!! Nice one GreatHeights! :biggrin:

I'm a huge CS Lewis fan as well! Right when Ben said "... Staples Lewis..." I thought "Ahaaaaa!! :biggrin: " Another great addition to the many great thinkers mentioned on the show.

Can't help but think of a very Lucy-like reaction when Charlotte fell into the water. She was laughing & splashing about, & in Prince Caspian, this is the first thing the four Pevenies do when they realize they're back in Narnia.

the island is invisible to those except the ones that know where it is.

although i don't think the 815ers knew where the island was, but were more likely forced/brought there when desmond didn't plug the numbers in soon enough, causing an electromagnetic anomaly.

the whole discussion of 'where' [where in space/time/etc.] the island is located is an interesting one. remember when juliet came by submarine to the island, and she was [willingly] drugged beforehand? i think the guy made some comment that it was a really rough trip...is this a clue, or was she being drugged so that she would be unaware of the island's location?

One for the anagram conspiracy theorists:
CHARLOTTE STAPLES LEWIS =
WALT STEALS HELICOPTERS

One for the anagram conspiracy theorists:
CHARLOTTE STAPLES LEWIS =
WALT STEALS HELICOPTERS

Ha! My mind is a little blown. Curious to see if this is an intentional anagram. Do any other freighter's names have interesting anagrams?

The first thing I thought of when I heard Charlotte's name was how CS Lewis was initially a skeptic in Christianity, an atheist. I thought maybe Charlotte didn't believe in the island or its power until she experienced it, (the giddy laughter when she reallized where she was). Also I'm totally intrigued by the "wardrobe" theory that there is a hidden way and the island must reveal itself to who it wants (sounds a bit like Locke). But remember in the Chronicles, the characters never knew how they would get to Narnia, the wardrobe was only used in one book. Narnia called out to them when they were needed there. I don't know, however, if I would go making analogies as to who is Aslan (and obviously if you've read the book, it wouldn't be Jack anyway!) or the White Witch or whoever.

Fantastic! 2 of my favorite worlds collide here in Lewis and LOST. My immediate thoughts went to Narnia and the whole time issue (a lifetime spent there is only a small time here) and Diggory and his friend in Magician's Nephew using the puddles to transport themselves back and forth through the 2 worlds. I also thought about Silent Planet and the charactor called Ransom being taken from his normal life into sapce and his adventures on free-floating islands there....this has all been addressed, I am sure - but I also think that the introduction of this woman could be a new story line involving Locke - a love interest. And since she shares her name with the great Christian apologist but is a scientist, could she be some kind of a bridge between Jack and Locke: Man of science, man of faith?

Its been years since I have read the series, but I got this from Wikipedia:

Fans of the series often have strong opinions over the correct ordering of the books. When the books were originally published, they were not numbered. The first American publisher, Macmillan, put numbers on the books in the order in which they were published. When HarperCollins took over the series in 1994, the books were renumbered using the internal chronological order, as suggested by Lewis' stepson, Douglas Gresham.

The reasoning? Time issues within the series. The story flips back and forth between past, present, and things that are occuring at the same time (The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe occurs the same time a The Horse and His Boy.) LOST mirrors the time thing with FBs and FFs.

If these ideas have been posted before, please excuse the repeat, I've not had time to review the whole thread and was eager to jump into the discussion with the little mite of time I have at hand:redface:

If I remember correctly, there are really only two potential timelines, Narian and Earthly (for want of a better term)

I've read Lewis' Space Trilogy numerous times, not recently, however. As I recall, the first two, Out of the Silent Planet (superb title IMO) and Perelandra deal only tangentally with Time travel if at all. However, That Hideous Strength deals with the character Merlin being set aside in time and showing up in the present day action. The explanation is rather murky and mythical and I believe Lewis wrote somewhere that he didn't feel he could or care to get very precise about those type issues. One unfinished and posthomously published story of his that does deal with some type of time travel is called "The Dark Tower" . I think Walter Hooper was editor if anyone cares to try and find it. It was interesting and rather dark and at some point Lewis abandoned it, I don't remember the details of why that might have been so, but I believe Hooper comments on in his foreword. In LOST there is the juxtaposition of Faith and Science, in THS, there is the conflict of Principle and Pragmatism or the old debate of acquiensce to an Absolute (revealed) Standard vs. calling the shots your self or the End Justifies the Means.... interesting, at least to me!

I seem to recall that he (CSL) wasn't really a fan of alternative timelines either. In one of his writings he talked of a sci-fi story he read where someone traveled to the past and was not only unable to change it, they also were potentially in danger from the solidity and reality of it (the time traveler being more insubstantial than what "really" was)

Sorry if I've been rambling I don't have a lot of time but wanted to post a couple of comments since I love Lewis' works.

ETA there was a very good book I loaned to a friend and never got back that was an biography of sorts about the writers group called the Inklings. That was a fascinating nexus of folks, Charles Williams, JRR Tolkien, Lewis, among others. I think Dorothy Sayers was an infrequent attendee if I remember correctly.... 500 lb. brains, all of them. Tolkien and Lewis were close friends at one point but drifted apart and were not close at the time of Lewis' death in 1963. Apparently Lewis' close friendship and admiration for Charles Williams (who Tolkien actively disliked I believe) lead to some level of estrangement in terms of diverging interests and points of view.

The thing that really struck me about the "coincidence" of Charlotte's full name being related to our dear Clive Staples was that to his best friends, C.S. Lewis was known as "Jack".

Would anyone care to guess who one of his best friends was? J.R.R. Tolkien, author of the Lord of the Rings. His first name happens to be John.

Interesting, I thought.

JRR Tolkien was known to his wife and close friends as "Ron" or "Ronnie" (John Ronald Reuel Tolkien). Is there a Ronald on the island?
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the C.S. Lewis reference is interesting. However, the first thing I thought of, especially with the possibility of time-shifting or alternate time-lines, was Charlotte Sometimes (Charlotte S.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_Sometimes_%28book%29

Now this is really interesting. If this is part of what the writers intended, along with the anagram, the writers really are geniuses. Here is a quote from the wikipedia article:

The story is centred around a girl called Charlotte, who, not long after starting at a boarding school, finds that she has mysteriously travelled back more than forty years. The teachers and other students call her "Clare", the girl in whose shoes Charlotte finds herself. Charlotte and Clare mysteriously exchange places each night, each one alternating between the years 1918 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918) and 1963 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1963). Although Charlotte and Clare never meet each other, they communicate with one another by writing notes. The girls are faced with the disconcerting scenario of finding out how to live each other's lives without being discovered.
The story is entirely written from Charlotte's point of view: we never get to meet Clare. As the story progresses, Charlotte becomes trapped in Clare's time. Charlotte struggles to maintain her own identity as Charlotte, whilst living Clare's life in Clare's time.
Clare=Claire? It would be wild if there turns out to be some kind of connection between Claire and Charlotte!
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I just learned that Charlotte Sometimes is also the name of a movie (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0284478/) (NOT based on the book). The main character is Darcy, who uses the name Charlotte when she goes to bars. Could Charlotte be a phony name?

I'm going to talk a lot about The Chronicles of Narnia in this post, so don't read it if you haven't read the series and don't want any spoilers for it.

Not only is there the fact that time runs differently in Narnia, and the whole "portal" thing, but also that Narnia is, in fact, the afterlife (or heaven, if you will). This ties in nicely with Lost's whole redemption theme.

Sorry to nitpick, but Narnia is not actually the afterlife or heaven in the series. Instead, it is an alternate universe that parallels the Christian history version of our own universe. In it, Aslan is Narnia's christ figure, the White Witch and others represent the powers of evil, and many key events including Genesis and the end times are paralleled. It is only at the end of the series that the children go to the afterlife, and heaven is an "Other Narnia" where they see an "Other Aslan." (I'm sorry if this quote isn't quite correct; I don't have my Narnia books with me). The Narnia of heaven is more beautiful than any other version of Narnia--basically sort of the Platonian ideal of Narnias and the other Aslan is implied to be God. Anyway, I think it is an important distinction that while Narnia is a special place, it is not the afterlife...much like our island is a special place, but people are alive on it.

Kudos to those who commented on how Narnia calls people. Like the island somehow mystically brings people to it, Narnia brings people to it. All these people are "special" and "chosen" for a reason, just like everyone in our group seems to be special or there for a reason. Also, several people make repeat visits to Narnia (Eustace, the Pevensie children, and technically Polly and Diggory although I never was quite as much a fan of the later books The Magician's Nephew and The Last Battle. The famous quote is, "Once a King or Queen in Narnia, always a king or queen." (Or...we have to go baaaaack!) I just realized something, this might be more something for the name thread--but the Narnian royalty imagery gets back to how many of our characters have names that have something to do with royalty.

In The Magician's Nephew, Digory and Polly stumble into a strange forest. It's a place referred to as the world between worlds, if I'm remembering correctly. In it, they notice the strange way light refracts, just like Dan Faraday on the island. Thought that was a nice connection, too.


Nice catch!

The four main characters that we have up and walking around the island from the freighter right now could conceivably connected to the Pevensie children, especially with Charlotte's name and her water frolicking. If not, their characters might highlight other themes of LOST characters we already know.

The Pevensies:
Peter -- the oldest, a boy, leader amongst the group, noble, brave, protective
Susan -- Susan is interesting because she has a drastic character arc in the series. She is the second oldest. She tends to be a bit patronizing in the beginning but is also very kind and tender hearted. By the end of the series, though, she is focused on frivolous things and says that Narnia was a game they made up. So she doesn't end up with the other children.
Edmund -- Edmunds starts out betraying his siblings to the White Witch by succumbing to his own selfishness and desire for attention. He also lies and makes it seem like Lucy is making Narnia up to the older siblings. In the end he is saved and he ends up becoming Edmund the Just. He's quite affable after that.
Lucy -- Lucy is the first of the Pevensie children who is called to Narnia, and the youngest. She is quite precocious, and she seems to have the most faith in Narnia and Aslan. She can sometimes see things that are real that the other children do not due to her heart and her faith. Lucy is constantly saying things that are true and having people doubt or disbelieve her.

Another thing, about the way time works in travelling between Narnia and our world (or vice versa). Not only is in not the same, but it isn't consistent. I think this is important. For instance, when the children live their whole lives out in Narnia, they return merely moments later to the real world as children although they are all grown up. When they return to Narnia again, their castle is in ruins. However, it later books, when Eustace is called to Narnia, time has passed differently--but not the vast lengths of time that happened for the Pevensie children.

Just found this today. It is a list of links about CSL:

C.S. Lewis in LOST: Link List (http://bittersweetblue.blogspot.com/2008/02/cs-lewis-in-lost-link-list.html)

#2 on the list happens to be from the Blog I write, but don't let that stop you from reading it. ;)

Earlier on in the thread someone asked about the anagrams of the names of the currently known Freighties. Here are what I believe to be the most revealing ones:

Frank Lapidus: Panda Flu Risk - Is this the famous "Sickness"???

Daniel Faraday: Denial Day Afar - I believe this is a hint for the final episode: They all get on with their lives!

Miles Straume: Resale Summit - Locke's deviation from the group is all an evil plot to open a Starbucks on top of one of the hills.

Charlotte Lewis: Locate Whistler - I don't recall seeing any characters whistling, but perhaps this will be the Lostie's goal for the rest of the season, or perhaps Ben is the whistler, and that's why they're looking for him: He just couldn't get the crazy frog out of his head.

Naomi Dorrit: Martini Odor - Turns out the Freighties may have something of great value to our heroes: Mixers.


That's just my predictions based on this cold, hard evidence. You be the judge. :D

Earlier on in the thread someone asked about the anagrams of the names of the currently known Freighties. Here are what I believe to be the most revealing ones:



Naomi Dorrit: Martini Odor - Turns out the Freighties may have something of great value to our heroes: Mixers.


:D

Lololol! :roflmao:

to go back to the incomplete "Dark Tower" by C.S. Lewis---isn't there a quote in it that goes: "any two time-lines approximate to the exact degree to which their material contents are alike"? any C.S. Lewis experts out there, let me know if this is accurate--if so, it sure does seem connected

to go back to the incomplete "Dark Tower" by C.S. Lewis---isn't there a quote in it that goes: "any two time-lines approximate to the exact degree to which their material contents are alike"? any C.S. Lewis experts out there, let me know if this is accurate--if so, it sure does seem connected
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I don't remember that exact quote, but that kind of sums up what I recall. I know that those who make the leap into othertime do it because the physicality of the person is exact and in line of sight. It was interesting that the viewing of Othertime and our reality was mutual -- it reminds me of how with Desmond's recent epi he interacted with both times and people in them as the present. I know someone in the epi (Daniel) talked about the consciousness leaping forward into the other time but I think it has to be more than just that because Desmond didn't stay aloof from others, he seemed equally present and "real" in each -- not a passive recipient of actions but also a catalyst with a genuine physical presence.
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In Prince Caspian (one of the Narnian books), at the end Aslan provides a new home for the Telmarines who had taken over Narnia, which turns out to be their original homeland, an island in the South Sea of our world. Their ancestors were pirates who shipwrecked onto the island and proceeded to kill the original inhabitants and then fight among themselves. One group happened upon a cave which was "one of the magical places of that world, one of the chinks or chasms between that world [earth] and this [narnia]". Probably means nothing, but fun none the less!

I wouldn't be so quick to say it means nothing. The Black Rock may well be a pirate ship, or one hijacked by pirates, and the Telmarines (like "the others") weren't the original inhabitants of the island.

There are spooky caves in LOST, too - and it's not yet clear how the Others are able to go between "our world" and "the Island."

Also, this idea of lists, and of "the good guys" vs. "the bad guys." In Lewis's last novel of the sci-fi trilogy, "That Hideous Strength," there is a deliberate crafting of "good guys" (the inhabitants of St. Anne's, and their outside friends), and the "bad guys" of the NICE Institute (who are a bunch of murderous vivisectionists.) (Hanso foundation?) The NICE baddies also perform psychological experiments on their victims, as well as psychological torture.

THS also has godlike beings, the "spirits" of the various planets, who eventually descend to earth and take sides with the St. Anne's folks against NICE. There is also a mysterious character of extremely long life, Merlin, who is awakened to help the "good guys."

Rather than being a "god" or "spirit," perhaps Jacob is more similar to Merlin in THS - not a god, but definitely a being of great power. Also, Merlin in Arthurian myth was seduced by Nimue into teaching her his secrets, and then imprisoned him in either a cave or a tree, depending on the version. Jacob has the sense of being imprisoned somehow by some ritualistic device (the ash line.) Also, the very name "Jacob" hearkens to some kind of ancient patriarch from an almost-mythical time - just as the name "Merlin" evokes the same reaction.

Finally (I can't resist ...) CS Lewis wrote a purgatory story called "The Great Divorce: A Bus Ride from Hell to Heaven."

CS Lewis did write The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe, among 6 others in the Chronicles of Narnia series.

I am an Lewis freak---I am a big fan of all of his work. His non-fiction work is great! I'm stretched pretty thin right now, and hopefully rewatching the episode this weekend and thinking about LOST in general, I can make some good connections.

I'm in the middle of reading Perelandra, the 2nd book in his Space Trilogy, which takes place on Venus, which is mostly water, some "fixed land" but the native inhabitants were ordered to live only on the floating islands, which the Earthling considers paradise...

My first thought on her name was the weirdness of the middle and last name being the same. Not sure I like that one too much...it's too stretching.

It could be too2strange of the writers, but it makes it fun all the more. I have also read much of CS Lewis, one of my writer heroes as is JJR Tolkein, who were good friends in the day. So could Charlotte be like Ransom, traveling with people just looking for gold, in Out of the Silent Planet? I see a few simularities.