the ones making the food drops?

Logic would tell you that Dharma wants their island back and to get the guy that killed every member of Dharma on the island (Ben), but I think that's too easy. I think the ring leaders behind this mission are a different group and want to use the special properties of the island to their own benefits.

I'm a believer in the DI. Until I see otherwise I'd say that's who they are. This would also explain:

1- Ben having a guy on the inside -- someone he joined with ages ago probably
2- The ruse that everything on the island was okay was probably massaged by the inside man -- he probably helped with communications to and from the island as well as supply drops

Someone was making food drops for years and years. They must have been told something about the Dharma Initiative and their experiments. Seems awfuly weird that not too long after the Swan Hatch imploded that these people show up. Also, Locke pushing 77 told someone that they had been attacked. SOMEONE had to think that something was wrong after that. And now these people, who are not connected to Penny come looking for Ben.

My money is on the freighter being a part of DHARMA/Hanso. Perhaps the Ghostbuster is there to communicate with the dead DHARMA members?

My money is on the freighter being a part of DHARMA/Hanso. Perhaps the Ghostbuster is there to communicate with the dead DHARMA members?

Can't wait to see what happens when this guy gets to that mass grave that Ben showed Locke. That should be something. It does sound as though the people who have been pumping money into this project for all these years are looking for answers....and they figure that Ben is the first guy to question.

I don't know if these people are necessarily Dharma, but I think they are connected to it somehow, but Abaddon could be Dharma. I think the reason that these people were selected bt Abaddon even though Naomi didn't think they were right for the job was because they are associated with past Dharma in some way.

Could Miles be the son of Candle/Wickmund/Holliwax?

Could Farraday, a physicist, be the son of Goodspeed?

Not sure who Charlotte would be associated with though.

2- The ruse that everything on the island was okay was probably massaged by the inside man -- he probably helped with communications to and from the island as well as supply drops. ----From Eight

This could explain why people were saying there were two very distinct different voices on the satillitte phone last epi.

I don't know if these people are necessarily Dharma, but I think they are connected to it somehow, but Abaddon could be Dharma. I think the reason that these people were selected bt Abaddon even though Naomi didn't think they were right for the job was because they are associated with past Dharma in some way.

Could Miles be the son of Candle/Wickmund/Holliwax?

Could Farraday, a physicist, be the son of Goodspeed?

Not sure who Charlotte would be associated with though.

Abaddon being Dharma is a good thought. He sure is creepy. Hurley seemed to have his number right away. If these people were relying on Namomi for protection, they sure are in trouble now.

Can't wait to see what happens when they finally do get a hold of Ben and question him.

I think that they are from the Hanso foundation, or some rogue group within. The HF has seemed to have disappeared, at least as in references to the show.

Probally from Dharma. Ben and the others were putting up the front that they were Dharma. Wearing the uniforms and everything. That was all good until locke entered 77 in the Arrow station computer. Causing Dharma to send there people to see whats going on.

I don't think any of the Freighties are Dharma. Everything so far would suggest they are simply specialists hired to carry out a particular mission.

The real question is is Abaddon Dharma? But I don't think so either. I really think Dharma's whole organisation was pretty much based on the island and that it was wiped out by Ben and The Others during the purge. I don't think Dharma was evil, even Ben said they came to the island seeking harmony so I think they were genuine scientists/hippies whatever, things just went badly wrong.

It's possible Abaddon represents Dharma's financiers (Hanso?) and that Dharma were just a wing of a bigger organisation with interests in the island and it's power. But even that doesn't quite fit imo. Surely they'd know where the island was and how to get to it. It seems all this was set in motion by the destruction of the hatch/purple sky.

Even if they are Dharma or are after Dharma's research why do they want Ben? Surely they'd just want the island back and Ben killed. The Freighties don't seem up to the task of retaking the island from Ben and his people.

The most interesting thing was that even before getting to the island Naomi had an inkling that there may be survivors of 815 there. How would anyone know this? I mean Ben hardly told them.

Is it possible they are children of Dharma? All have abilities that correlate to island's experiments...and they have a clear hatred of Ben...have they come to avenge the purge? Abbadon knows and recruited them for this mission (though they don't know, nor do we, its primary purpose.

I think Abaddon is probably Dharma. My guess is the four have an idea of what is going on, but don't know the full story.

Still new to this forum and don't want to break any rules. Is "thinking out loud" the same as spoiler? Cause I'm about to "think out loud..."

I think Abbadon is Dharma/Hanso because, get this, of his tie. His tie is loaded with Dharma style hexagrams. Haven't heard any mention of that in my readings thus far.

Miles and the mass grave...he'll probably go insane if he gets near that:)

Here's the thing about Miles talking to the purge victims in the pit-wouldn't you think there's some kind of time constriction on his gift. I mean otherwise, he would be walking around hearing the dead EVERYWHERE. Maybe it's only the recently dead that he can speak to? If so, will he be able to commuicate with the purge victims-I'm not sure, they may be too old.

But maybe Paolo can complain about Nikki killing him....I think Ana Lucia might have something to say too, the possibilities are endless....

The most interesting thing was that even before getting to the island Naomi had an inkling that there may be survivors of 815 there. How would anyone know this? I mean Ben hardly told them.

Someone with power and resources knew the plane crashed on the island. I doubt Ben put that fake plane at the bottom of the ocean all by himself.

Here's the thing about Miles talking to the purge victims in the pit-wouldn't you think there's some kind of time constriction on his gift. I mean otherwise, he would be walking around hearing the dead EVERYWHERE. Maybe it's only the recently dead that he can speak to? If so, will he be able to commuicate with the purge victims-I'm not sure, they may be too old.

But maybe Paolo can complain about Nikki killing him....I think Ana Lucia might have something to say too, the possibilities are endless....

OMG!!! Imagine the guilt that some might feel if Nikki is able to communicate that she wasn't really dead when they were buried. :eek2:

Someone was making food drops for years and years. They must have been told something about the Dharma Initiative and their experiments. Seems awfuly weird that not too long after the Swan Hatch imploded that these people show up. Also, Locke pushing 77 told someone that they had been attacked. SOMEONE had to think that something was wrong after that. And now these people, who are not connected to Penny come looking for Ben.


Excellent observation.
The last and only PRD that we have seen was in "lockdown" (2x17), two weeks later in "enter 77" Locke inadvertly blows up the Flame with "7-7".. about two weeks later, "not penny's boat" shows up (we shall see).. hmm
One thing that bugs me is the "purge", which happened a long time ago before our losties came onto the island and long time before the last PRD.. wouldnt Dharma know about their big investment of the island?? you think they would. Maybe the looking glass was a factor, im not sure. We need to know who made that PRD drop, the drop contained "dharma brand" goods.. but i'd bet against Dharma.



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Excellent observation.
The last and only PRD that we have seen was in "lockdown" (2x17), two weeks later in "enter 77" Locke inadvertly blows up the Flame with "7-7".. about two weeks later, "not penny's boat" shows up (we shall see).. hmm
One thing that bugs me is the "purge", which happened a long time ago before our losties came onto the island and long time before the last PRD.. wouldnt Dharma know about their big investment of the island?? you think they would. Maybe the looking glass was a factor, im not sure. We need to know who made that PRD drop, the drop contained "dharma brand" goods.. but i'd bet against Dharma.

So according to this timeline, ABOUT four weeks ago the last food drop was made. We've all seen the food....Dharma peanutbutter, Dharma ranch dressing, and Dharma oatmeal are a few that come to my mind. In fact, our Losties had anything left over after the sky turned purple on some kind of make-shift shelves.

wouldnt Dharma know about their big investment of the island??

Considering what we saw in Michiel's hatch when Ben brought Juliette in to see that her sister was still alive, they had some pretty sophisicated communication set up. My guess is that Ben and/or Michiel were Dharma's only contact during all the years the island still communicated with the outside world after the purge. Those two, afterall, were the only remaining members of the Dharma group (if we are to believe Michiel-who knows on that point). They were probably assuring Dharma that all was well with the experiments and only more time was needed for their completion. In addition, the button continued to be pushed, so there didn't seem to be any problem there.

Again, according to the timeline above, two weeks after Locke entered 7-7 on the computer in Michiel's hatch, this boat shows up. Maybe the reason that they could not find the island was because the sonar beam was damaged. Ben mentioned this at some point-I can't remember exactly when- before Locke blew up the submarine is what I'm thinking, but can't remember for sure.

So we have the first incident of the hatch imploding and then Locke entering 7-7, and what do you know, a boat shows up. Considering that Dharma was still providing outside support in the way of supplies via the food drops, I'm thinking that Abbadon is in some way connected with Dharma. Those people now actually on the island, probably not, but they seemed to have been hand picked by Abbadon. Naomi, I'm not so sure about.

Considering what we saw in Michiel's hatch when Ben brought Juliette in to see that her sister was still alive, they had some pretty sophisicated communication set up. My guess is that Ben and/or Michiel were Dharma's only contact during all the years the island still communicated with the outside world after the purge. Those two, afterall, were the only remaining members of the Dharma group (if we are to believe Michiel-who knows on that point). They were probably assuring Dharma that all was well with the experiments and only more time was needed for their completion. In addition, the button continued to be pushed, so there didn't seem to be any problem there.

Again, according to the timeline above, two weeks after Locke entered 7-7 on the computer in Michiel's hatch, this boat shows up. Maybe the reason that they could not find the island was because the sonar beam was damaged. Ben mentioned this at some point-I can't remember exactly when- before Locke blew up the submarine is what I'm thinking, but can't remember for sure.

So we have the first incident of the hatch imploding and then Locke entering 7-7, and what do you know, a boat shows up. Considering that Dharma was still providing outside support in the way of supplies via the food drops, I'm thinking that Abbadon is in some way connected with Dharma. Those people now actually on the island, probably not, but they seemed to have been hand picked by Abbadon. Naomi, I'm not so sure about.


Excellent point about maybe a Dharma "cover-up". Im going to have to get some more info on this subject.

The system failure in (LTDA 2x23) caused comm's to be down, along with the sonar beacon.. thats why Ben told Jack that once he leaves in the sub, he'll never be able to return or find the island. It all revolves around TLG.


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