So he handpicked this group to send with Naomi to get Ben? He tries to convince Naomi everyone is dead from flight 815? He must play a pretty big part in what the next few episodes will be about.

I now believe Dharma is behind these "bad" people, I think it is clear that Dharma owns Oceanic, I can't wait to find out more about him.

I don't know if he is behind "it all," but he is certainly up to something. Naomi didn't believe him that there were no survivors - he definitely knew!

Interesting that he also knew about Desmond so he could send Naomi with that decoy mission.

This guy (Abbadon) clearly has a significant interest if not the puller of stings.

I vote he's one of the foot soldiers of the real puller of stings.

The question that I have then is this: If he is part of Dharma, and also owns Oceanic, then that seems to suggest that the breakup of the plane was not accidental which is hard to swallow with the evidence that we've been given so far in regard to the plane breaking up as a result of Desmond 'missing' a single button-pushing assignment. How would that all work out?

I think Abbadon might be a part of Widmore. The only theory that I have is that Charles Widmore got wind of Penny's Arctic expedition making contact with the island. He then had Abbadon find a team that could get to the island survey the possibility of recovering what's left of Dharma. The only thing that I can speculate as to why they would want Ben is the fact that Ben is the last living member of the Dharma Initiative and they need to know what happened. The plane crash was still an accident, it was sort of the thing, in my theory anyways, that started the sequence of events that lead us to today.

Matthew Abbadon KNOWS there are survivors on the Island and when he repeats himself to Naomi three times he is insinuating .."make sure there are no survivors...make sure no one leaves". Thats at least how I took it.

I agree Typical, he was definitely making sure that Naomi knew that there were to be no survivors. It's also telling that in the premiere episode he asks Hurley if any of them survived. Sort of an immediate payoff...he wanted to make sure no one survived and in the future he still doesn't know that. He's probably my favorite new character this season besides Faraday...oh who am I kidding the new people are awesome!

Seems like he is from Dharma. Also seems like he knows a lot about the island. Possibly a original Dharma member from the island?

I don't know if he is behind "it all," but he is certainly up to something. Naomi didn't believe him that there were no survivors - he definitely knew!

Interesting that he also knew about Desmond so he could send Naomi with that decoy mission.

Good catch on Desmond.

Yes, I think he is from Widmore/The Maxwell Group.

I think Abaddon is Dharma, and the people he picked to send there are associated to former Dharma members in some way.

His tie had little Dharma symbols/shapes on it, if this was pointed out already, sorry, but my search is disabled

Well, I had my theory about Matthew Abbadon shot to sunshine tonight!
I thought he would be the key to getting back to the Island but now it looks like he's one of those who has other plans for it. He's EEEEEEVIIIIILLLLL!
I can't tell if he's a henchman or if he's one of the ones who would be in the inner circle of Dharma or Widmore or Paik. :shrug:

I think Abaddon is Dharma, and the people he picked to send there are associated to former Dharma members in some way.

But the crazy pilot from the freighter isn't likely to be Dharma, considering he was/is an Oceanic employee. He was the one who was supposed to be on flight 815, but for some reason (maybe he was drunk) the other pilot flew instead. :eek2:

I'm definitely in the Abaddon as Maxwell/Widmore camp.

A few thoughts:

Diabolo - you must be pretty excited that Abaddon -- the angel of the abyss as mentioned in the Book of Revelations -- is an important Baddie to the story?!

I now believe Dharma is behind these "bad" people, I think it is clear that Dharma owns Oceanic, I can't wait to find out more about him.

Ever since TTLG I believed that the freighter was Dharma. But its particularly interesting to see someone else considered the idea that DI owns Oceanic. If Oceanic was owned by DI then that would be a possible way of infusing new blood into the prject since people can't procreate on the island. Plus their "routine" flights through the Pacific's viral vortice would almost assure a crash here and there. Not sure I'm titally on board with this idea but its interesting . . .

Lastly, if you're into conspiracies (alien or otherwise) you may be aware that the US Govt. runs its won airline out of Nevada called JanEt Airlines (JanEt stands for Just another extraterrestrial) and its only destination is Area 51.

Somethings to consider.

But the crazy pilot from the freighter isn't likely to be Dharma, considering he was/is an Oceanic employee. He was the one who was supposed to be on flight 815, but for some reason (maybe he was drunk) the other pilot flew instead. :eek2:

I instantly began to wonder if he was supposed to fly the plane to assure the crash, but it crashed anyway. Maybe the "Flight" of 815 was a suicide mission and he feels guilty that Norm (was it) flew the plane instead of him.

If the theories of OA being owned by one of the Hanso associates are correct, then he could be former Dharma.

I thought it was very strange that Dan, Miles, and Frank all seemed to be super surprised by the 815 announcement, in that it seems to be what got them on the ball to begin the search. But then the Abbadon and Naomi scene totally threw me.

What happened first - Abbadon assembled the team, then the news of 815 broke and they knew the mission was a go? OR, did they see the news, have a connection to flight in some way, and this is why Abbadon, later, tells Naomi this is who he will assemble.

The timeline on that would sure help to narrow the "what" about the 815 find was so intriguing to each of the freighties.

Abbadon one bad dude! I'd like to see him nose to nose with Eko :biggrin:

I think Abbadon might be a part of Widmore. The only theory that I have is that Charles Widmore got wind of Penny's Arctic expedition making contact with the island. He then had Abbadon find a team that could get to the island survey the possibility of recovering what's left of Dharma. The only thing that I can speculate as to why they would want Ben is the fact that Ben is the last living member of the Dharma Initiative and they need to know what happened. The plane crash was still an accident, it was sort of the thing, in my theory anyways, that started the sequence of events that lead us to today.

That is, basically, the theory about the Freighties that I've had running in my head since the end of last season.

His tie had little Dharma symbols/shapes on it, if this was pointed out already, sorry, but my search is disabled

If that's true, that's pretty awesome... could we get screen caps?

All five of these people that Matthew sent were "dumped" on the Island, given a bogus "mission" simply because they found out something they shouldnt have. They were dumped there to prevent them from talking.

This explains why the freighter was so unresponsive once the four of them got onto the Island. It explains why they would send so many incompetent people to carry out an "important job."

I would almost think that this looks like another Ben con...except the gas masks and the pictures of Ben put a hole in that theory. But you know, that could be part of the game.

It appears we're getting into the supernatural here, unless speaking to spirits is just another con, so here's my thought -

As we know from last episode, the "lawyer from oceanic" who forgot his cards and "smokied" out the door is named Abaddon and the corresponding wiki entry indicates this is the Angel of the Abyss, or sometimes considered Satan incarnate. As leader of the covert operation, he does in fact then hold the keys to the lock that is the puzzle we're all working on. Just my thoughts! Side note - I loved how he offered Hurley a "deal" which to me referenced the making a deal with the devil anicdote.

Anyone else think the setting of his meeting with Naomi was extremely strange? Huge, dark, empty office type space. Strange . . .

Well, I had my theory about Matthew Abbadon shot to sunshine tonight!
I thought he would be the key to getting back to the Island but now it looks like he's one of those who has other plans for it. He's EEEEEEVIIIIILLLLL!
I can't tell if he's a henchman or if he's one of the ones who would be in the inner circle of Dharma or Widmore or Paik. :shrug:


You probably know that I am on that boat too, and it kind of let me down to see him not as the ferryman I thought he would be. BUT there might still be life in that theory....

Let's say that Abaddon's team was gathered to remove Ben from the island. We know that he got Jacob trapped inside the circle of ash. Jacob seems to represent the island itself. So in a certain way, Ben is not doing what the island really wants him to. Proof of this was his tumour.
So if Abaddon represents the island, that might be why he wants Ben OFF the island. After all that seems to be their mission. The problem is that there was a sudden change of plans while they were on the island that forced this team to retrieve a couple of survivors even after they were declared all dead.
And what could have caused that change of plans?
The letter attached to that Seagull Des captured for Claire.
Abaddon definetely knew that there were survivors on the island but he didn't want, originally, any of them off the island. Also it is interesting to mention that it seemed that Naomi was informed that the plane had crashed on that island, but that there were no survivors.
When the news about this letter having being found hit the media, Abaddon's original plan needed to be changed.
If scientists could track this seagull's migratory flight pattern, they might end up finding out where the island might be located. Most of all if the seagull was tagged with a geolocator. So he gave the orders to 'rescue' SIX of them in order to stop people from getting to close to the real island.
Then some time later, he is trying to take them back.

Somehow I think this all fits in with Jacobs List. Maybe the Oceanic 6 are the only ones that arent on his list. I somehow think that the freighters will be left on the island and the 6 will leave.

You probably know that I am on that boat too, and it kind of let me down to see him not as the ferryman I thought he would be. BUT there might still be life in that theory....

Let's say that Abaddon's team was gathered to remove Ben from the island. We know that he got Jacob trapped inside the circle of ash. Jacob seems to represent the island itself. So in a certain way, Ben is not doing what the island really wants him to. Proof of this was his tumour.
So if Abaddon represents the island, that might be why he wants Ben OFF the island. After all that seems to be their mission. The problem is that there was a sudden change of plans while they were on the island that forced this team to retrieve a couple of survivors even after they were declared all dead.
And what could have caused that change of plans?
The letter attached to that Seagull Des captured for Claire.
Abaddon definetely knew that there were survivors on the island but he didn't want, originally, any of them off the island. Also it is interesting to mention that it seemed that Naomi was informed that the plane had crashed on that island, but that there were no survivors.
When the news about this letter having being found hit the media, Abaddon's original plan needed to be changed.
If scientists could track this seagull's migratory flight pattern, they might end up finding out where the island might be located. Most of all if the seagull was tagged with a geolocator. So he gave the orders to 'rescue' SIX of them in order to stop people from getting to close to the real island.
Then some time later, he is trying to take them back.

Very good ideas, Fierro and I think, probably, close to what's going to happen. However, something or someone "gets" to these 6 to bring them back to the Island. I didn't think of the message that Claire sent but I should have since they don't have anything in these stories as throwaways. It always comes back into play somewhere. So, in a way, Charlie and Claire affect their rescue.
Now, how the O6 are chosen might give us more of a clue as to their purpose which Abbadon is really clued into.
If Abbadon represents the Island and getting Ben off the Island so that Jacob and the Island can be freed, then what is Abbadon's end purpose if he wants to bring our Losties back? I'm getting bushed and so this may not make as much sense as it should.


Oh well, the tie Abbadon had on didn't have little Dharma logos on it. However, it did have the six-sided shape on it. Abbadon's tie (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season4/4x01/4x01cap-0338.jpg)

I think you are missing something...

Why would Abaddon send a bunch of misfits to do a hit-job? The only one who wasnt a misft/idiot was Naomi.

You have one guy who's awkward, a woman who is extremely smug, a guy who is completely stuck up and sarchastic and a nut job. The only thing these people have in common is they each "stumbled upon something secret." Including naomi.

I think you're all giving these five people way too much credit. They were picked because they accidentally found out something that wasnt supposed to be found out.

The psychic experience that one guy had is obviously tied to the island. The woman found the dharma collar. Naomi knew the people on Oceanic 15 weren't all dead. We still dont know whats up with Dan.

I can only think of two reasons for Abaddon...he's either working against Ben...or...he works for Ben. Yeah, lets send a bunch of incompetent people who know nothing about killing someone to go out and perform a hit.

As soon as they landed on the Island, the Freighter suddenly seemed completely uninterested in anything they had to say. I think that was the big clue right there.

They dumped them onto the Island, mission accomplished...all safe and sound and away from anyone who might believe them about a mysterious island.

But whatever Dan knows is going to be a catalyst for what happens next...i bet you anything....it will be something Abaddon hadnt realized...or something along those lines. :)

Anyone else think the setting of his meeting with Naomi was extremely strange? Huge, dark, empty office type space. Strange . . .

I don't think the huge, empty office is strange really, Abaddon probably rented the space under a false company name, and has no intentions of using it for "business", but more as a meeting place like he did with Naomi.

I think you're all giving these five people way too much credit. They were picked because they accidentally found out something that wasnt supposed to be found out.

I'm not sure I understand . What did Miles and Daniel discover that they weren't supposed to? Daniel saw the newscast and all he did was cry about it for no unknown reason, even to himself. Miles only heard the newscast on the radio. So I'm not sure what Miles and Daniel found out that they weren't supposed to.

As soon as they landed on the Island, the Freighter suddenly seemed completely uninterested in anything they had to say. I think that was the big clue right there.

You think? I'm not so sure. George was interested enough to talk to Daniel when Daniel found Jack and Kate and made sure Daniel wasn't talking on the speaker phone.

They dumped them onto the Island, mission accomplished...all safe and sound and away from anyone who might believe them about a mysterious island.

If this were the case, then why didn't the Freighter just leave? It can't have left because we know the O6 leave the island.

I think it's more along the lines that the freighter has a situation on their hands when Miles called them back, and they didn't want to clue anyone on the island that something might be wrong.

Charlotte discovered the Dharma Initiative. Jeff Fahey realized that the wreckage was fake. Naomi knew Matthew was lying about there being no survivors. What Dan knew hasnt been revealed yet and will probably be detrimental to the next plot twist.

So they are there because they gained knowledge about the Dharma Initiative, had information that could blow open the fact that the wreckage was fake, made contact with something from the Island (our ghostbuster) and whatever it is Dan knows, which I have a feeling its something to do with a hypothesis that he was hoping wasnt going to come true...and the found wreckage proved his theory (world coming to an end maybe?)

Either that, or they were sent on that expedition to FIND the Island for Matthew Abaddon and that's it. He knew that collectively they had enough information to figure out how to get there. As Naomi said, they had no weapons training whatsoever...and it feels like all five of them were expendable. Give them guns and a picture, just in case they do get to kill Ben, but they weren't relying on them to do that.

So it's possible that it isnt our treasure hunters that are the threat...but those still back at the Freighter who still haven't arrived.


I don't think the huge, empty office is strange really, Abaddon probably rented the space under a false company name, and has no intentions of using it for "business", but more as a meeting place like he did with Naomi.



I'm not sure I understand . What did Miles and Daniel discover that they weren't supposed to? Daniel saw the newscast and all he did was cry about it for no unknown reason, even to himself. Miles only heard the newscast on the radio. So I'm not sure what Miles and Daniel found out that they weren't supposed to.



You think? I'm not so sure. George was interested enough to talk to Daniel when Daniel found Jack and Kate and made sure Daniel wasn't talking on the speaker phone.



If this were the case, then why didn't the Freighter just leave? It can't have left because we know the O6 leave the island.

I think it's more along the lines that the freighter has a situation on their hands when Miles called them back, and they didn't want to clue anyone on the island that something might be wrong.

The British woman (sorry, bad with names) discovered the Dharma Initiative. Jeff Fahey realized that the wreckage was fake. Naomi knew Matthew was lying about there being no survivors. What Dan knew hasnt been revealed yet and will probably be detrimental to the next plot twist.

So they are there because they gained knowledge about the Dharma Initiative, had information that could blow open the fact that the wreckage was fake, made contact with something from the Island (our ghostbuster) and whatever it is Dan knows, which I have a feeling its something to do with a hypothesis that he was hoping wasnt going to come true...and the found wreckage proved his theory (world coming to an end maybe?)


I agree that Charlotte and the pilot knew things, but I don't think Miles and Daniel necessarily did, and we definitely haven't been shown anything to suggest that they did. Daniel may be crying due to possibly repressed memories, but we have been shown he is a little strange, so it could be as simple as that. As for Charlotte, I think she knows all about the Dharma initiative, as evidenced when she found the polar bear collar and her reactions to being on the island. I think that's why she was chosen because she knows about the Dharma Initiative.

The pilot I think was chosen because he was the pilot who was supposed to have flown 815 anyway. Maybe because he should have been flying that plane and therefore should have been on the island, he's a drunk, and is losing it like Jack in the FF. So he belongs back on the island. Because of this, the island would actually let him find the island, let him on it and let him land the helicopter.

As for why Naomi was able to make it on the island, I'm not sure. She wasn't able to land the helicopter, and when she landed on the island, she had a punctured lung, so if Mikhail hadn't come along she probably would have died, therefore the island wouldn't have let her live.

I think all 5 were sent because they have specific things to offer to the expedition. Naomi could have been lied to by Abaddon, saying it's a covert op, because if she wasn't told that maybe she wouldn't have gone. But I don't think the other 4 were sent because they found things out, because I'm sure they are other people who know just as much or more about the DI, the island and 815 than these 4 people.

Abaddon

Many Biblical scholars believe Abaddon to be Satan or the antichrist or even worse "the angel with the key of the abyss and a large prison in his hand seized the dragon (Satan the Devil) and threw him down into the abyss, and closed it on him (Satan)", meaning that the 'angel of the key' had power and authority superior to that of the Devil himself. Therefore, from their standpoint, Abaddon, "the angel with the key of the abyss" and "the ancient serpent", "the dragon", Satan the Devil, must not be both the same person.

Given this Mr Abadon (one B or 2) must have the key/answers to it all.

ok this is probably totally irrelevant but that dude did not blink once in the Naomi briefing flashback. totally creeped me out. and I also think he works for widmore or possibly, maybe paik?

Great discussion! Let me put this spin: The helicopter mission is filled with expendable persons that to be done away with or stranded. They were a test mission sent out by real world Dharma that wants Ben in revenge for his purge. After the purge Ben jams the ability to get to or see the island, which the Dharma had established.

Now the Frieghties have their closest ability to get Ben. Knowing the risk they send out a test mission that somehow almost succeeds. But now the real bad guys, the Frieghties, are on their way. The worst is yet to come.

Regarding the mission assigned to these four people (get to Ben), what I found interesting was Miles's reaction when Juliet was medicating Frank Lapidus said Frank shouted "Hey Miles! She was not on the plane. She's a native". Miles reacted with sudden violence and aggressiveness toward Juliet, barking "Where's he?!?" -- I found this a bit odd, as if Miles (more than Frank or Daniel) had some sort of personal interest/motive to find Ben. I mean, it looked more than just a guy taking his mission seriously.


Cheers,
Rick

Maybe Miles had a relative that was killed in the Dharma Initiative Purge. Candle?

Maybe Miles had a relative that was killed in the Dharma Initiative Purge. Candle?
I would agree. It seems the only explanation for his surly disposition, and outright anger towards Juliet as soon as he figured her to be an Other.

While I don't believe that Abbadon was behind it all, I do believe he was placed in charge of the covert operation, not realizing that the Losties would prove to be problematic, eventhough he adamantly stated several times to Naomi that there were no survivors! That threw a wrench in the operation and with the death of Naomi. Who's in charge now? Minkowski on the ship? Daniel? Miles? Lapidus was probably chosen to just fly the chopper. Did Naomi not have reservations re:the team members? And did they each not have a specific responsibility once they were on the island other than capturing or finding Ben? So.....the 'they' in 'are they still alive' might also include remnants of the the team that somehow were left behind or prevented from leaving the island.

What I find interesting about the conversation with Naomi is that he said several times that there would be no survivors of Flight 815. He stated it emphatically..."There are no survivors". Why did he say that? Is it just because he didn't want Naomi to focus on the survivors and to make sure she was focused on their mission? He wanted Naomi to understand that this wasn't supposed to be a rescue mission? Or was it because he didn't think there would be survivors?

If he thought all the survivors would be killed by Ben and his people then why was he so sure there would be no survivors? Or was it that Abaddon thought all the survivors would be part of "The Others" by now and therefore wouldn't technically be classified as 815 survivors.

It just seemed such a weird statement to make.

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Regarding the mission assigned to these four people (get to Ben), what I found interesting was Miles's reaction when Juliet was medicating Frank Lapidus said Frank shouted "Hey Miles! She was not on the plane. She's a native". Miles reacted with sudden violence and aggressiveness toward Juliet, barking "Where's he?!?" -- I found this a bit odd, as if Miles (more than Frank or Daniel) had some sort of personal interest/motive to find Ben. I mean, it looked more than just a guy taking his mission seriously.


Cheers,
Rick
I found that odd too. And I posted my theories in my own thread. It seemed to me like Miles knows that Ben has done or is about to do something very bad. These guys are not there just for money. They are not mercenaries. They seem to have some personal interests involved. Look at Naomi's use of secret codes!!! She was about to die, but she didn't care.
I don't think they are there just to kill Ben. Naomi or Charlotte could have done that very easily. They need him alive for some reason. Probably because he has lots of information about the island that THEY and Abaddon needs.
I also think that Ben's side projects might be involved in all this. Mostly the one related to the Infertility.
What if, by trying to find a cure, they/he ended up creating a virus or something that will cause the end of the world as predicted by the VE?
That will give these guys a very good reason to try to stop him.
100%
Or there is something else that we all might be forgetting....

The importance of pushing the button!!!!!

If that task was really as important as we have been lead to beleive, perhaps the team was sent to the island to try to 'fix' the problem, or minimize the damage it will cause.


Picture this scenario:

Abaddon is not with Dharma. He is with a 'competitor', succesor or something. He and Ben stroke a deal sometime ago. They might have even helped Ben and the hostiles to do the purge, by providing them with gas, gas maks, etc. They wanted to get rid of Dharma and take over the Island, steal it from Hanso, if you will...
Abaddon's people are the ones who keep providing food and stuff for Ben. They might be even affiliated with Mitelos Bioscience.
I am not sure what kind of a deal that might have been, but one of Abaddon's conditions was that Ben should make sure that the button was kept pushed at all times. That was imperative. Of course, he might have been informed about what doing that was achieving. That is why he didn't want to be around when the button wasn't pushed.
But one day, Ben decided to betray Abaddon. So he starting to developing his master, sinister plan....

He was gonna make sure that the button wasn't pushed!!!! So he planted the seed of the doubt on Locke's mind...
Ben succeded. The button wasn't pushed and something else happened to the island....Something Ben was expecting to happen.



Ben knew that the anomaly was gonna be detected and alert Abaddon's people, so he sent Greta and Bonnie down the Looking Glass prior to all that, so they could start blocking all EM radio signals off the island. What for?
So the portal/entrance to the island's snowglobe COULDN"T BE DETECTED.
Even if Abaddon people had a rough idea where the island was, the needed a signal or a visual sign to follow. That visual sign was presented to us in the FIND 815 ARG: an Aurora.
These auroras are created around the island's magnetic poles when radio waves get trapped in the lines of force.
Using the Sat Phone sent a signal off the Snowglobe and the aurora started shining over the ocean. Frank's chopper followed its greenish light and they entered the island's snowglobe, only to be welcomed by a strong thunderstorm, full of Electromagnetic interferences.


And how exactly are these people's gonna fix whatever the Swan's destruction caused? I have no idea. Most of all because we still don't know what that station was really for!!!!!!

Anyways, I've been saying this for a very long time now, and I'll say it again...I think that the destruction of the Swan and its purpose is gonna be related to a sad real life disaster: The Boxing Day Tsunami.
This event is a couple of days away from when the losties are right now!!!!

Perhaps its consequences were gonna be much much much worse, but Abaddon's team managed to minimize its damaging effects SOMEHOW. Let's not forget that there is a physist named 'Faraday' amongst the team;) .
I'm pretty sure that when somebody asked him what his speciality is, he is gonna say 'ELECTROMAGNETISM'.

Fierro,
I totally agree with you about the effect of the button not being pushed and I think your theory about Abbadon's role in all of this could be on the mark. Hopefully, we'll find out fairly soon.

For those who are wondering why he kept telling Naomi that there were no surviviors, here's what I think - he's making sure that she understands that even if she find survivors, she's not to let anyone know. Just my theory though.

I think Frank was specifically chosen to originally pilot Oceanic815 because it was meant to land safely on the Island. He specifically mentions that he aways lands safely or something along those lines. Even in the 'Storm' he landed the chopper, even though it was spinning out of control.

abbadon's insistence that there were no survivors of 815 indicates to me that he is part of the organization that faked the wreckage.

he also seems very Other-ish to me, i wouldn't be surprised if he was Ben's man on the freighter

For those who are wondering why he kept telling Naomi that there were no survivors, ...

I find it more intriguing that Naomi thought there were survivors. We don't know if that conversation occurred before or after the plane was "found", of course.

So Naomi is told she is leading an expedition, presumably she must have been told where to, and somehow she suspects she might run into Oceanic survivors - why does she think that?

I think Frank was specifically chosen to originally pilot Oceanic815 because it was meant to land safely on the Island. He specifically mentions that he aways lands safely or something along those lines. Even in the 'Storm' he landed the chopper, even though it was spinning out of control.

Beautiful! I hadn't thought of that. I have loooong thought that the plane was meant to land on the island and that Ben knew all along. Even when we got to see ATOTC and the plane splitting apart, I didn't believe it. I don't believe the coincidence of the tumor/spinal surgeon falling from the sky. I don't believe that Ben only learned who was on the plane once it crashed and Mikhail did his research. And mostly I still subscribe to the belief that some of the Losties are test bunnies (or former test bunnies) of DHARMA/Hanso or who knows what organization.....

Beautiful! I hadn't thought of that. I have loooong thought that the plane was meant to land on the island and that Ben knew all along. Even when we got to see ATOTC and the plane splitting apart, I didn't believe it. I don't believe the coincidence of the tumor/spinal surgeon falling from the sky. I don't believe that Ben only learned who was on the plane once it crashed and Mikhail did his research. And mostly I still subscribe to the belief that some of the Losties are test bunnies (or former test bunnies) of DHARMA/Hanso or who knows what organization.....

I've always believed that the plane was meant to land, and that several of the key Losties were meant to be brought to the island for specific reasons (whether it be a pregnancy or a certain skill set). Maybe it was imperative that they know nothing about the island before they arrived, as a way to perform certain tasks, resist Smokey, whatever. I also think that there were handler types who were on the plane (or off the plane, like Inman, who I believe planned to meet the plane) and killed. I think something was expected of them (by Abaddon et al, against Ben), and part of the reason the freighties in the fbs were so distraught or refused to believe that the survivors were all dead was because it meant that the entire mission would have failed. Probably something years in the planning and orchestration.
Just my two cents. :smile:

Oh, I loooove your idea about the freighties being upset for that reason! That is good thinking.

I've always believed that the plane was meant to land, and that several of the key Losties were meant to be brought to the island for specific reasons (whether it be a pregnancy or a certain skill set). Maybe it was imperative that they know nothing about the island before they arrived, as a way to perform certain tasks, resist Smokey, whatever. I also think that there were handler types who were on the plane (or off the plane, like Inman, who I believe planned to meet the plane) and killed. I think something was expected of them (by Abaddon et al, against Ben), and part of the reason the freighties in the fbs were so distraught or refused to believe that the survivors were all dead was because it meant that the entire mission would have failed. Probably something years in the planning and orchestration.
Just my two cents. :smile:


I have to say that is an interesting theory... but if they were aware of the cover-up, why did Daniel break down? That seems a bit extreme for a reaction to a failed plan????
Miles seems to care less, and Charlotte seems very interested in DHarma, but not so much into the survivors......

I have to say that is an interesting theory... but if they were aware of the cover-up, why did Daniel break down? That seems a bit extreme for a reaction to a failed plan????
Miles seems to care less, and Charlotte seems very interested in DHarma, but not so much into the survivors......

I don't think they were aware of the cover-up at that point. I think they were connected to Abaddon/DI/whomever and knew about 815's "mission," and, not being in the echelons of management, probably didn't know much at that point. It seemed like their reactions when they first heard the news were genuine. Probably only after the team was assembled by Naomi and Abaddon were they briefed -- and even then, it seems like the official word (no survivors) had to be maintained as per orders. But something about how Daniel seemed genuinely glad to see Kate and Jack...I felt like he knew who they were.

But I've been one of those conspiracy people from the get-go. :rolleyes:
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And I personally thought that Charlotte did seem pretty interested in the survivors when she first arrived -- amazed, actually. She wanted to know how many there were left, asked where Aaron was born, all that. But jmho.

I am also in the conspiracy theory camp and it seems likely that Abaddon had a big role in the crash. If he is sending in a group of people then he already knows where the island is, which is really curious to me (unless he has gotten wind of the island from Michael). He has replaced Ben as the creepiest dude on the show, but like Ben it seems as though he has to answer to someone else. The fact that he personally showed up to talk to Hurley at the Santa Rose Mental Institution makes it seem like he is working for someone else to get answers. Possibly Dharma or Widmore? I think he is a very creepy and evil dude and definitely holds some of the important answers as to what has happened on the island.

I am also in the conspiracy theory camp and it seems likely that Abaddon had a big role in the crash. If he is sending in a group of people then he already knows where the island is, which is really curious to me (unless he has gotten wind of the island from Michael). He has replaced Ben as the creepiest dude on the show, but like Ben it seems as though he has to answer to someone else. The fact that he personally showed up to talk to Hurley at the Santa Rose Mental Institution makes it seem like he is working for someone else to get answers. Possibly Dharma or Widmore? I think he is a very creepy and evil dude and definitely holds some of the important answers as to what has happened on the island.

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