I was struck by Faraday's weeping at the sight of 815's "wreckage". Did he truly not understand his unexplained sadness?

I forget if it was Naomi or Abaddon who called Faraday a "head case". What kind of affliction do we think he suffers from (other than his clear anxiety)?

he probably sees things.

I was really struck by this too.

My current theory is that Matthew Abbadon's choosing of these four has something to do with their connection to 815/ the island. Perhaps Dan has some connection he isn't aware of.

But the others seem to have connections, like Charlotte finding that Dharma collar, and the pilot guy (forget his name). I just can't figure out Miles. Maybe he is supposed to talk to the dead of the island, like Christian/ Jacob.

Yeah, that really threw me too. I think he knows someone who died on the plane.

Haven't posted at the Fuse in a long, long time, but good to be back.

Has anyone considered that they represent the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse? I mean, Miles is obviously Death. Faraday seems a might bit like pestilence (given that he rides a black horse, and Dan is dressed accordingly). Charlotte is redheaded, perhaps the red horse, or War. Which leaves Frank on the white horse.

Anyway, a bit off tangent, and doesn't explain Dan's sadness, lest its the sadness of homesickness ...

I just can't figure out Miles. Maybe he is supposed to talk to the dead of the island, like Christian/ Jacob.


Im thinking we might have a translator for the whisper's we've been hearing all this time.

I'm also anxious to find out why he was so affected by the news. I really like that character; there's something about him.

I think Dan has some sort of ability to feel people's pain and suffering, think dead zone w/o having to touch the people.

Maybe he does.

Actually, he was my favorite of the Boaties, and I found him the most interesting (so far).

Did anyone else find it bizarre that he wore a tie to the island????

I don't know if he's particularly empathetic - besides the FB crying, he just seems kinda . . . twitchy. He did seem truly bewildered by his emotions and very pleased to be on island. I'd say he's mostly harmless, but I'm sure that's what we're supposed to think.
I do like him. There is something genuine about him (could be he's a sociopath - I like Ben too)

Slightly off topic -- the actors who played Faraday and Frogurt were both in the movie Twister together.

I think he is special in another way... maybe he is a savant.

Repressed memories?

I was struck by Faraday's weeping at the sight of 815's "wreckage". Did he truly not understand his unexplained sadness?

Maybe he felt a great disturbance in the force, like hundreds of voices cried in terror and were suddenly silenced. (another Star Wars reference)

Did anyone else find it bizarre that he wore a tie to the island????

I get the feeling that overall his day did not exactly go as he had planned. :biggrin:

I thought there was something slightly effiminate about him in the crying scene, but in thinking it through, it is more that he appears to be very empathetic, almost childlike. He seems to be in touch with some emotion or conciousness that he doesn't quite understand.

i started another thread on ths but no one read it. Perhaps the island has pulled them there. i mean Frank was supposed to be on the plane but wasn't and we all saw how fate pulled Jack, Kate, etc to the plane. You think the others were supposed to be there too?

Im thinking we might have a translator for the whisper's we've been hearing all this time. :rotflmao2: So true!!

I think Dan has some sort of ability to feel people's pain and suffering, think dead zone w/o having to touch the people. You may be right about that. He does seem to be more genuine than Miles and Charlotte.

Did anyone else find it bizarre that he wore a tie to the island????

I thought it was strange and maybe something he wasn't prepared for since they literally had to push him out of the plane. I think he thought he was in the chopper to observe the Island - nothing more. Doesn't explain the gun though... I need to think more on this one..

Repressed memories?
That's a good idea as well! He really acted like he didn't know why he was crying. Maybe he's been to the Island before. In fact, maybe all four have and just don't remember. :shrug:

I think he (or something in his 'work') may have been involved with the decoy 815 crash and he couldn't tell his wife but felt extreme guilt and grief over his involvement.

I think Dan has some sort of ability to feel people's pain and suffering, think dead zone w/o having to touch the people.

I think that's a good possibility. I guess we'll find out if he stumbles upon the mass Dharma grave and starts crying.

Did anyone else find it bizarre that he wore a tie to the island????

Yes, I thought that was rather peculiar. But he does seem like a rather peculiar fellow.

Repressed memories?

Hmm... Could it be he's been on the island before and, like Jack, Kate and Hurley, managed to get off but for some reason had no conscious memory of it afterwards? I like that idea.

I'm wondering if they're all connected to the original Dharma group. If the original members could come and go before the purge, some may have left and had children, who then had children of their own. Then some of those original members could have returned and been killed in the purge. Miles, Dan and Charlotte could be children/grandchildren of some of these members.

I like the time travel theory, kind of. The more I see of the show, the more I lean toward a tangential universe/ time travel theory.

i think this is the same setup as juliet in season 3 (you see her cry in the premiere, but you dont' find out why until One Of Us where they show the scene again w/ context). we'll find out exactly why in a future episode...

Did anyone else find it bizarre that he wore a tie to the island????

Not any stranger than Jack wearing a tie to the island. :rolleyes:

Not any stranger than Jack wearing a tie to the island. :rolleyes:

Except for the fact that Jack wasnt planning on being on the island.

Anyone think it was odd that we only saw his wife/girlfriend from the waist down? Could she be someone we've met before or should I just quit overanalyzing and go to bed?

Anyone think it was odd that we only saw his wife/girlfriend from the waist down? Could she be someone we've met before or should I just quit overanalyzing and go to bed?

I was wondering about that too. Maybe we both need to go to bed. lol

Maybe he felt a great disturbance in the force, like hundreds of voices cried in terror and were suddenly silenced. (another Star Wars reference)I

Rich, this is exactly what I was thinking. I also remember a comic book character from when I was a little girl, her power was that she could feel other's emotions. I always thought that was the coolest power. Daniel is also my favorite character, I love how he delivered the light scattering line.


Myle's statement about Naomi's body not being Naomi, but meat, was interesting too.

Hey RichLost, HAHAHA! We Star Wars babies always see the force at work.

Its probably to early to know anything, but my feeling was he felt pain and sadness. Like he is an empath or something.
BUT' I do like the idea someone earlier mentioned about him having a hand in the decoy OCeanic plane.
What exactly is his area of expertise? Did he say? I know he mentioned that the "light doesn't fall right." What field would that be?

I agree what's with the tie? If you going to tromp around an island looking for someone do you where a tie? Maybe he wasn't supposed to go off the helicopter.

I think he (or something in his 'work') may have been involved with the decoy 815 crash and he couldn't tell his wife but felt extreme guilt and grief over his involvement.

Ooooo I like that; that's the best theory about it I've heard so far. If that turns out to be correct, they almost all now have a connection to 815. Danny reluctantly helped create the fake 815 crash, the hellicopter pilot was the original pilot planned for 815, Charlette was searching for Dharma, whose expirements led to the crash of 815.

I was struck by Faraday's weeping at the sight of 815's "wreckage". Did he truly not understand his unexplained sadness?

I forget if it was Naomi or Abaddon who called Faraday a "head case". What kind of affliction do we think he suffers from (other than his clear anxiety)?

I totally feel like it was a clue to him having past memories wiped out....he was having a very real physical reaction to something that closely affected him.
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Did anyone else find it bizarre that he wore a tie to the island????
He also wore a sweater around his waist...he was dressed more for a cold rather than tropical climate.

i started another thread on ths but no one read it. Perhaps the island has pulled them there. i mean Frank was supposed to be on the plane but wasn't and we all saw how fate pulled Jack, Kate, etc to the plane. You think the others were supposed to be there too?

That is exactly what I think. I think Daniel was supposed to be on that plane. Perhaps he feels that "it was his destiny" to be on that plane and has been suffering in the real world because of it. I think it has more to it than a sense of survivor's guilt. I think not crashing on that plane has really messed with him. Perhaps this is an explanation for the suit. This is going out on a really really long limb but perhaps that was what he was wearing when he was supposed to board 815 but for some reason missed the plane and he's trying to reenact that moment as much as possible. Again really long limb there and it's probably not the case. Either way, I think at the very least he was supposed to be on that plane.

I think he said he was a physicist

I think he (or something in his 'work') may have been involved with the decoy 815 crash and he couldn't tell his wife but felt extreme guilt and grief over his involvement.


This seems possible, too. He might have been lying about not knowing why he was so upset...I think he knew someone on the flight, or he has some sort of Desmondesque situation where he's been through all of this before, perhaps because of some other physics experiment he's been involved in.

I was wondering about that too. Maybe we both need to go to bed. lol
I was wondering about why we only saw the wife/girlfriend/sister/whatever from the waist down, too, and I just got up, lol. There might be something to it, but judged by her voice I don't think we've seen her before. Yet.


What exactly is his area of expertise? Did he say? I know he mentioned that the "light doesn't fall right." What field would that be?

He said he was a physicist, but not so clearly. It was something like "I guess you could say I am a physicist, but I don't like this pigeon-hole thing..." and then Miles interrupted him.
So my guess is that he's a physicist, but that it's not his only area of expertise. Maybe physics is his basic field, but he also works in other fields - fields Miles didn't want him to talk about.

i think he's just like desmond....jumping in and out of the island(however that works)

I was wondering about why we only saw the wife/girlfriend/sister/whatever from the waist down

definitely caught my attention and was very typical LOST

he was from/living in Essex, Massachusetts a coastal town about 40 miles north of Boston...not sure what that means, if anything

I still believe, from other posts in other threads, he may be related to the famous physicist with the same last name, who studied electromagnetism

That is exactly what I think. I think Daniel was supposed to be on that plane. Perhaps he feels that "it was his destiny" to be on that plane and has been suffering in the real world because of it. I think it has more to it than a sense of survivor's guilt. I think not crashing on that plane has really messed with him. Perhaps this is an explanation for the suit. This is going out on a really really long limb but perhaps that was what he was wearing when he was supposed to board 815 but for some reason missed the plane and he's trying to reenact that moment as much as possible. Again really long limb there and it's probably not the case. Either way, I think at the very least he was supposed to be on that plane.

I think all of the freighties were supposed to be on that plane. Now Abaddon is getting them to the island. This is Charlotte's conversation with her friend.
Her friend asks "how many different languages to do you have to read it in to believe it" and she quips, "how many different languages are there?"

Oh I don't know if ya'll have seen this. But we have some really great news this morning. http://www.cnbc.com/id/23057002

Did anyone else find it bizarre that he wore a tie to the island????

yes, I noticed this and thought it was weird also. did he originally know he was going to the island? or was he just planning on being a support person on the boat?

It seems that Daniel, Frank and Charlotte were each pretty obsessed with the details of 815. It's not unreasonable that someone who has been following a tragic story on the news very closely would cry when it is revealed that there are no survivors. Maybe it was just to show that Daniel is the most sensitive of the four, especially when you compare his reaction to the reactions of the other three. They also made a point of him being the one who wanted to retrieve Naomi's body, while Miles referred to it as just a piece of meat, and Frank was being more practical. Contrast Daniel to how we saw Miles have no emotional reaction at all to the radio broadcast that there were no survivors.

Anyone else think that Dan looks a bit like Charlie? They could be twins long separated at birth and this could explain him feeling upset at the crash and not knowing why. Well it's a long shot.

Anyone else think that Dan looks a bit like Charlie? They could be twins long separated at birth and this could explain him feeling upset at the crash and not knowing why. Well it's a long shot.


In the last episode, when they got up close to Charlie's face while he was yelling at Hurley (right before he disappeared) both my husband and I swore that the last shot was not of Charlie, but of Dan. They just zoomed in so close and the hair color didn't look right or something...

But sometimes this show makes you look for things that are not there.

I do think that they look very similar.

I don't see the resemblance. However, I think that Frank, the pilot, sounded a lot like Locke during his phone call scene.

Wearing a tie:
I work around physicists and other scientists. You never know how they are going to dress. We get a lot of Aloha shirts and shorts even in the middle of winter. What to wear is not exactly first priority in a scientist's mind.

Noticing the scattered light:
That is absolutely like a scientist. Can barely get them out of their scientific discipline for a normal moment. Speaking about something non-science, and keeping it straight is sometimes tough. It was excellent writing and superb acting.

Why Daniel cried in the first scene:
Very powerful scene. My first sense (like some of you guys) was that he had been on the plane in some Desmond-esque iteration of the plane crash. Perhaps his choice to study physics (electromagnetism) kept him --in that current iteration-- from being on the plane, or being on the plane in some iteration led him to study electromagnetism.

That is exactly what I think. I think Daniel was supposed to be on that plane. Perhaps he feels that "it was his destiny" to be on that plane and has been suffering in the real world because of it. I think it has more to it than a sense of survivor's guilt. I think not crashing on that plane has really messed with him. Perhaps this is an explanation for the suit. This is going out on a really really long limb but perhaps that was what he was wearing when he was supposed to board 815 but for some reason missed the plane and he's trying to reenact that moment as much as possible. Again really long limb there and it's probably not the case. Either way, I think at the very least he was supposed to be on that plane.

I like this theory as well except he doesn't know or says he doesn't know why he's crying.
The reason he's wearing what he's wearing is explained in today's Lost vidcast - the costume designer though he would look cool and nerdy in it. :rolleyes:

Slightly off topic -- the actors who played Faraday and Frogurt were both in the movie Twister together.

thanks eight! it has been bugging me for weeks where i recognized them from!

It also seemed to me that the wife wasn't all that concerned. i'll have to rewatch, but i think she said something like "why are you so upset?" maybe she meant it in the sense that he knew it was going to be this way all along, so why is he so upset about it.

-ryan

The crying scene seemed to me to be a direct reference/link to "Donnie Darko." In "Donnie Darko," a film that deals with issues of time travel and tangential universes, Donnie helps the universe cause correct by sacrificing himself. After Donnie's death, there is that great scene where all of the characters cry and seem to feel a loss they cannot explain. When I saw Daniel crying, without being able to express why he felt so melancholy, it definitely reminded me of this scene from "Donnie Darko" and made me believe in the time travel/parallel universe theories that I have been trying to dismiss all of this time: ) The fact that in "Donnie Darko" an unknown jet engine falls from the sky and is used as a device to open a time portal and that there is a character named Frank seemes to really emphasize this parallel.

Noticing the scattered light:
That is absolutely like a scientist. Can barely get them out of their scientific discipline for a normal moment. Speaking about something non-science, and keeping it straight is sometimes tough. It was excellent writing and superb acting.

I thought the comment about the scattered light was interesting. Since he's some sort of physicist, perhaps he's a quantum physicist who studies quantum particles such as light. The study of light is actually a pretty big field in physics from what I understand. Quantum physics could also relate to topics like black holes, wormholes, time travel, all of which have been discussed as parts of various theories of Lost. Maybe he is there to study the properties of the island that make it unique from a quantum physics perspective.

Still doesn't explain the tie - which was very strange!

I do like him. There is something genuine about him (could be he's a sociopath - I like Ben too)

Oh. Heck yes. (I, uh...also adore Ben.) :)

I thought there was something slightly effiminate about him in the crying scene, but in thinking it through, it is more that he appears to be very empathetic, almost childlike. He seems to be in touch with some emotion or conciousness that he doesn't quite understand.

You've hit the nail on the head, with the description of Daniel being childlike. And overtly empathetic, as well.

Wearing a tie:
I work around physicists and other scientists. You never know how they are going to dress. We get a lot of Aloha shirts and shorts even in the middle of winter. What to wear is not exactly first priority in a scientist's mind.

Noticing the scattered light:
That is absolutely like a scientist. Can barely get them out of their scientific discipline for a normal moment. Speaking about something non-science, and keeping it straight is sometimes tough. It was excellent writing and superb acting.

I have a couple of scientists in the family, and I had the same reaction you did. The tie, blue shirt and pants looked a lot like every outfit in my father-in-law's closet. I agree that it was a wonderful depiction of the "absent-minded professor," or the scientist who will fixate on details that may not seem relevant to the situation at hand.

I also noticed that Miles called him "genius" before tossing him out of the helicopter. It was said with disdain, but it may have been the truth. Naomi called him a "head case." Genius and crazy sometimes go hand in hand--maybe he will turn out to be a John Nash type of character? I'm not sure this explains the crying over the fate of flight 815, though.

I commented to my husband that I thought he was dressed like the Scientoligists that walk around downtown Clearwater Florida......

BaldLocke just linked the fact that Ana Lucia's boyfriend (in her flashback) was named Danny:

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=88172

Linked with Faraday's sadness regarding the crash, this is very interesting to consider.

Thanks for the link, DrShephard. That connection didn't cross my mind.

Ya, I agree with BaldLocke's theory.

You've hit the nail on the head, with the description of Daniel being childlike. And overtly empathetic, as well.

I watched this scene again and the reason that his emotion was childlike to me (mother of 3) is he did not hide his tears, put his hands over his face or wipe his face, things that adults do. He cried without reservation--tears and snot streaming down his face. THAT is how a kid cries!

While I like this character very much, he did have a sort-of George McFly (Back to the Future) vibe, no? I hope he becomes more assertive as the episodes progresses. He has a lot to contribute, I'm sure.

When I first saw Daniel Faraday's sadness over the wreckege of Oceanic 815 my first thought is that he knew someone on the plane. But then as I kept thinking about it maybe he was supposed to be on that flight but missed it and felt guilt over his survival.

I think he (or something in his 'work') may have been involved with the decoy 815 crash and he couldn't tell his wife but felt extreme guilt and grief over his involvement.

Yes, I think he's part of Dharma & this was their plan. Maybe he didn't know when it would happen but that someday it would & 815 is the code. So Dharma members know what it means, what's going to happen next, & what they must do now. He may feel guilty or scared, that is why he cried.
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But what is not making sense is the pilot calling the hotline & reporting the pilot was not who they say it is. If they were all Dharma, he wouldn't be giving up their plan.

Did anyone else find it bizarre that he wore a tie to the island????

Perhaps just to emphasis a certain geekiness to the character? It was bloody odd though

I think he is special in another way... maybe he is a savant.

An interesting thing I picked up. Miles shouted "Hey, genius" to Daniel before throwing him out of the helicopter. Perhaps a reference to what's so special about this particular physicist.

He said he was a physicist, but not so clearly. It was something like "I guess you could say I am a physicist, but I don't like this pigeon-hole thing..." and then Miles interrupted him.
So my guess is that he's a physicist, but that it's not his only area of expertise. Maybe physics is his basic field, but he also works in other fields - fields Miles didn't want him to talk about.

His noticing the strange scattering of the light was odd. That would take a particularly trained eye to do that, as Parrot has pointed out. Special? Did anybody say 'genius'? ;)

I like the time travel idea, in that he may have been there before, or was supposed to be on the flight just like Frank.

Here's the best take on the topic that I've read yet (on the Tiberius thread):

remember all the tibs talk, long ago, about twins, and fathers and mothers...

what if, assuming some time 'stuff' going on:

miles is Jin/Sun's offspring
daniel is Jacks
Charlotte is ????

they all seem about the same age and Abbadon said they were all picked for very specific reasons...

To which I replied

Simplist...I LOVE this!!!

I think Charlotte would be Juliet's daughter...she looked so excited when she saw the Hydra DHARMA logo on the polar bear collar...

It would also be interesting with Daniel's "are you JACK?" when he first met Jack after chuting down to The Island...
Thoughts? And don'cha just love all the new LOST and speculation...I do...:biggrin:

You know, Tabby? I don't remember Jack ever giving his name but I need to go back and watch the first of TBOTE again. It could be that he did in that scene.

Guin...it played differently in TBOTE and CD...

TBOTE: Daniel said "are you JACK?" and Jack and Kate exchanged glances, and Jack looked stunned or like he recognized Daniel...

CD: Daniel said "are you JACK?" and Jack said "yes...who are you?", and Daniel said "Daniel Faraday"...and then "I'm here to rescue you"...

What I'm getting at with my reply to Simplist (and his wonderful theory) is that Daniel, as Jack's son, is astounded to find Jack alive, and Jack doesn't really know why he recognizes Daniel...

And perhaps they are both confused enough for different reasons due to the (theoretical) time anamolies combined with their genetic, instinctual, and intuitive influences...

And so in spite of their wishing and hoping, regrets and denial...they will discover the truth about themselves.

:biggrin:

Guin...it played differently in TBOTE and CD...

TBOTE: Daniel said "are you JACK?" and Jack and Kate exchanged glances, and Jack looked stunned or like he recognized Daniel...

CD: Daniel said "are you JACK?" and Jack said "yes...who are you?", and Daniel said "Daniel Faraday"...and then "I'm here to rescue you"...

What I'm getting at with my reply to Simplist (and his wonderful theory) is that Daniel, as Jack's son, is astounded to find Jack alive, and Jack doesn't really know why he recognizes Daniel...

And perhaps they are both confused enough for different reasons due to the (theoretical) time anamolies combined with their genetic, instinctual, and intuitive influences...

And so in spite of their wishing and hoping, regrets and denial...they will discover the truth about themselves.

:biggrin:


Wow...pretty good theory and I think my head just exploded! :biggrin: Why it didn't occur to me with all the time shift and time travel theories flying around that this might be a plot point or theory, I don't know but I sure do like it.

Okay, here's one for ya:

Maybe they were all supposed to be on the plane. In fact, in another dimension/parallel universe/whatever maybe they were all on the plane. The show (and more recently and explicitly, Naveen Andrews) has hinted at the possibility of alternate dimensions, and perhaps Desmond's turning of the failsafe key triggered something freaky - a split in reality, a diverging of events if you will. He went back and lived his life over again - he made the same decision in the end, but he did live it differently than the first time around. What if, this 'second time around' so to speak, those who should have been on the plane were on it, and Desmond didn't let the clock count past zero. And this is why Faraday is so moved by the footage, because somewhere, deep down he knows that the wreckage he sees is in fact the wreckage of the plane where he died. And Frank, is in fact, looking at his own corpse.

Or not.:confused:

Here's the best take on the topic that I've read yet (on the Tiberius thread):



To which I replied


Thoughts? And don'cha just love all the new LOST and speculation...I do...:biggrin:

Maybe Charlotte is Juliet's child (if we are going wit this theory.) They kind of resemble each other.

Maybe Charlotte is Juliet's child (if we are going wit this theory.) They kind of resemble each other.
Yes...that was what I proposed (within this theory of some of the Losties' and Others' offspring coming to The Island)...which Simplist offered on the Tiberius thread here at the 'Lage...

And Charlotte seemed so driven to dig up the polar bear skeleton and was so enthralled with finding the DHARMA Hydra logo on the collar...

It works for me. :biggrin: (until it is blown apart by something else in the next epi's) ;)

Daniel is a physicist, right? I think that his emotion may have to do with guilt. Perhaps he was involved in something through his work, which he believes may have contributed to the crash. I've always had a hard time swallowing the fact that Desmond crashed the plane. But what if Daniel's work is related to the button on some other end.

I think that Frank has a lot of guilt about the crash as well. He clearly believes himself to be an excellent pilot, incapable of a crash landing. I suppose that he believes that had he been flying flight 815 that day, it would not have crashed either.

I think that Frank has a lot of guilt about the crash as well. He clearly believes himself to be an excellent pilot, incapable of a crash landing. I suppose that he believes that had he been flying flight 815 that day, it would not have crashed either.

Well, of course. Lapidus is an excellent pilot who brought the helicopter down, intact, on The Island (and Jeff Fahey rules, so 'nuff said). ;) :angel:

Did anyone else find it bizarre that he wore a tie to the island????

Thank you, YES!:)

To the poster who mentioned the Donnie Darko vibe, I got that too, though not necessarily saying that's the same idea!

THe section at the end after Donnie sacrifices himself (so, so sad) and they all wake up crying, and "Mad WOrld" is on....and Frank is sketching the rabbit head pix and touches his eye.

A beautiful scene, and I got that vibe - they didn't know why they were crying, sad, sketching, Dan didn't know why he was crying?

Re the tie:

Is referencing an ABC Vodcast considered a spoiler? I'll do it, just in case. This week's Vodcast visited Lost's costume designer, who said that

Jeremy Davies was so different from how he'd imagined the character of Dan, it totally threw his ideas out the window. The one thing that stood out was that he wore a skinny tie to his fitting. It made such an impression, the designer decided to stick with it, without really knowing why.

So there you go.

Regarding the tie, I figured hey the guy is a physicist. They usually dress up for work, right? White collar and all that. Didn't seem out of place to me at all. The character seems "out of place" with the guns, etc and the whole shirt and tie thing just seemed to hammer that home for me.

As for his sudden crying, I don't really know what to think other than this - when the towers fell on 9-11 I cried, and I didn't know anyone who was in them at the time. The loss of that many lives is just sad.

If there is a time loop, then maybe he cries because he knows what is going to happen. Was very weird when he was crying.

The entire scene with Dan crying could have been a flash-forward after his island visit. He's probably involved in the cover-up, and wants to help the losties that remain there.

EDIT: Now that I think about it, Naomi did tell them the plane was on the bottom of the ocean, so scratch that.

It seems that in each of the FBs (or FFs) of those four freighties, there was something to point out why they were chosen for the mission. Aside from being a physicist, he might be the "right" kind of person to be able to understand the island...? I really don't know...? :confused: :confused: :confused:

I've been tossing this idea around......

Given Dan's talents of being able to detect the light scatter, I wonder if he could also see some sort of anomaly on the TV screen during the news cast. Maybe he just couldn't describe what he could see.....something really frightening. (This, of course, is based on the Christiane I (sp?) news film was actually a shot near the location of our invisible island.)

Somewhat similar to what Richard Malkin told Claire...... something "blurry". It's as though Malkin couldn't describe what he saw but he knew it was really, really bad. (Yeah, I think he was a real psychic. :smile: )

I'm sure this has been referenced somewhere on here already, but Michael Faraday (there is an obvious reference with Daniel's name) was known for research with electromagnetism. Interesting stuff - from Wikipedia:

Faraday studied the magnetic field around a conductor carrying a DC electric current, and established the basis for the magnetic field concept in physics. He discovered electromagnetic induction, diamagnetism and electrolysis. He established that magnetism could affect rays of light and that there was an underlying relationship between the two phenomena. His inventions of electromagnetic rotary devices formed the foundation of electric motor technology, and it was largely due to his efforts that electricity became viable for use in technology.

I've been tossing this idea around......

Given Dan's talents of being able to detect the light scatter, I wonder if he could also see some sort of anomaly on the TV screen during the news cast. Maybe he just couldn't describe what he could see.....something really frightening. (This, of course, is based on the Christiane I (sp?) news film was actually a shot near the location of our invisible island.)

Somewhat similar to what Richard Malkin told Claire...... something "blurry". It's as though Malkin couldn't describe what he saw but he knew it was really, really bad. (Yeah, I think he was a real psychic. :smile: )


That very could be, cq! I had forgotten about that scene with Malkin and Claire. There's soemthing about him though that "sees" things differently than most people it would seem.

I'm glad there's a thread devoted to Daniel, he's by far the Freighter who intrigues me the most. The thing that really struck me is that even though Ben said that the people coming to the Island were the "bad guys," none of the Freighters really seem like bad people. Sure, Miles has some anger issues (but hell, the man can talk to ghosts - that's sure to mess you up some), but Charlotte seems pretty friendly, and I can't think of anyone I'd rather be stuck on an Island with than Frank, who just excudes this laid-back sense of humor. And Daniel? He actually seems like a good person, which isn't something you can say for very many characters on this show. I think that the scene with him crying was mainly to establish that he's kind of a softie, the sort of person who actually stops and cries when he sees some tragedy on the news. Who really does that? I mean, really? When most of us hear about a car crash, we just wonder if it's going to block up traffic. And all of his interactions with other characters on the Island show him to be quite innocent and childlike, very open with his thoughts and his emotions, essentially unable of deception. Of course Miles can't stand him. I loved the dialogue between them!
My point: in contrast to everyone else on this show (with the possible exception of Hurley), Daniel is actually innocent of any wrongdoing. This Island is a place where the bad are punished severely ... I have to wonder how the Island will react to an idiot savant incapable of doing evil. I think that, more than anything, is the reason he was selected for the mission; perhaps his goodness will act as a kind of "karmic shield" to protect the others.

BaldLocke just linked the fact that Ana Lucia's boyfriend (in her flashback) was named Danny:

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=88172

Linked with Faraday's sadness regarding the crash, this is very interesting to consider.

Another good reason for the crying.

Another good reason for the crying.


Ana Lucia and that guy no way

AL lived in Los Angeles, and Danny F. is from Massachusetts.

Did anyone else find it bizarre that he wore a tie to the island????

In a video I saw featuring the costumer, he said that the skinny tie added an edgy/geeky feel to the character. He said nothing about it having profound implications. I believe the tie belongs to Jeremy Davies.

Willemite - Apparently Jeremy was wearing the tie to the fitting. Jeremy wasn't what the costumer had anticipated, and he felt that, on meeting Jeremy, the tie was appropriate.

I think that he's Asperger's

Ana Lucia and that guy no way

Haha, yeah. That....would be one interesting relationship.

I think that he's Asperger's

I have Asperger's....I'll have to check out his scenes. I really can't wait to learn more out about him, with this in mind.

On the topic of Asperger's, one of his "obsessions" could be the the flight of 815. He'd want to find out everything to do with it...or maybe he was interested in someone on the plane...

Did anyone else find it bizarre that he wore a tie to the island????

Juliet wore stilettos.

:rolleyes:

Haha, yeah. That....would be one interesting relationship.



I have Asperger's....I'll have to check out his scenes. I really can't wait to learn more out about him, with this in mind.

On the topic of Asperger's, one of his "obsessions" could be the the flight of 815. He'd want to find out everything to do with it...or maybe he was interested in someone on the plane...
Hey Corey :)

I don't know if Asperger's is similar to autism, but there are folks on this board who are
knowledgable about autism...StickMang is one of those folks (do a Search, if you like)...

I read another post (spoiler, before the epi aired) where the poster thought that Faraday had Tourette's Syndrome...

To me, it seems that he's nervous, and suspicious of the Losties, and is lying about some things because of his mission...and worse yet, he may have been lied to about what he is getting into...

Hey Corey :)

I don't know if Asperger's is similar to autism, but there are folks on this board who are
knowledgable about autism...StickMang is one of those folks (do a Search, if you like)...

I read another post (spoiler, before the epi aired) where the poster thought that Faraday had Tourette's Syndrome...

To me, it seems that he's nervous, and suspicious of the Losties, and is lying about some things because of his mission...and worse yet, he may have been lied to about what he is getting into...

I don't even know if AS and Autism are related. :rolleyes: Thanks for that, though. :)

Tourettes would also be very interesting...the *twitch* when he talks...

That's what I think, too-- that the freighties were lied to either by Naomi/Abbadon about what the situation was really like. The part with Abbadon saying, "there are NO survivors" is curious.

I don't know if Asperger's is similar to autism, but there are folks on this board who are
knowledgable about autism...StickMang is one of those folks (do a Search, if you like)...

I read another post (spoiler, before the epi aired) where the poster thought that Faraday had Tourette's Syndrome...

To me, it seems that he's nervous, and suspicious of the Losties, and is lying about some things because of his mission...and worse yet, he may have been lied to about what he is getting into...

According to WIkipedia, Asperger's syndrome is one of the Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASDs). Asperger's differs from other ASDs in that people with Asperger's don't have delays in language or cognitive development.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asberger%27s_syndrome

I don't even know if AS and Autism are related. :rolleyes: Thanks for that, though. :)
YVW...I just threw that out there without doing any research (was making a quick post). For some reason, I thought there was a connection. I meant no offense, though, and probably should have given you a :hug:. :)

Tourettes would also be very interesting...the *twitch* when he talks...

It's hard to say whether they are just portraying his character as being eccentric or nefarious, or attempting something else. Regardless, I think his early scenes are meant to make us go "hmmmm". ;)

That's what I think, too-- that the freighties were lied to either by Naomi/Abbadon about what the situation was really like. The part with Abbadon saying, "there are NO survivors" is curious.Yep. I think that the fact that he said it twice was supposed to leave it open to interpretation (whether he meant that Naomi should kill all survivors that she encounters). It would have been too easy for TPTB to have him actually give her that directive...IOW, it was drama fodder to just make us wonder about it...

Back to whether Faraday was lied to...we haven't seen him with Abaddon yet (likewise, Miles and Frank)...so...hmmmm. :biggrin:

And to get totally back on topic, unless Faraday was "just" being empathetic, I think that he might have been beginning to remember repressed memories (whether true memories or implanted memories)...

Yep. I think that the fact that he said it twice was supposed to leave it open to interpretation (whether he meant that Naomi should kill all survivors that she encounters).


EXACTLY! My take on it is that Abaddon is on the same team (whoever they may be) that faked the 815 wreckage (whether it's actual debris or just CGI footage). They know that 815 actually crashed on the island. They may or may not know there were survivors, but the directive is to make sure that there are no survivors, i.e., that Naomi and team will take out any survivors they find (hence Daniel's remark that rescue was not their top priority). I think Daniel's flashback takes place after he was briefed on the mission, which he may not have joined willingly. In any event, seeing the newscast makes him all too aware of what he's gotten himself into.

Yeah, that really threw me too. I think he knows someone who died on the plane.

I also think he knew or has a connection to someone on the plane.

YVW...I just threw that out there without doing any research (was making a quick post). For some reason, I thought there was a connection. I meant no offense, though, and probably should have given you a :hug:. :)

It's hard to say whether they are just portraying his character as being eccentric or nefarious, or attempting something else. Regardless, I think his early scenes are meant to make us go "hmmmm". ;)
Yep. I think that the fact that he said it twice was supposed to leave it open to interpretation (whether he meant that Naomi should kill all survivors that she encounters). It would have been too easy for TPTB to have him actually give her that directive...IOW, it was drama fodder to just make us wonder about it...

Back to whether Faraday was lied to...we haven't seen him with Abaddon yet (likewise, Miles and Frank)...so...hmmmm. :biggrin:

And to get totally back on topic, unless Faraday was "just" being empathetic, I think that he might have been beginning to remember repressed memories (whether true memories or implanted memories)...

Oh. Thanks. :happy:

Yeah, the "he may be good, may be bad" sort of thing is goin' on with Daniel.

Now I want to see a "Abbadon with Faraday/Miles/Frank" conversation.

Do we know how far back in time the flashbacks are? That might be a hint to the "beginning to remember repressed memories" idea.

I think Dan has some sort of ability to feel people's pain and suffering, think dead zone w/o having to touch the people.

It's called being Empathic. It's a Psi ability much like being Telepathic but instead of being able to read a person's thoughts you read or pick-up on their emotional state.

Haven't posted at the Fuse in a long, long time, but good to be back.

Has anyone considered that they represent the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse? I mean, Miles is obviously Death. Faraday seems a might bit like pestilence (given that he rides a black horse, and Dan is dressed accordingly). Charlotte is redheaded, perhaps the red horse, or War. Which leaves Frank on the white horse.

Anyway, a bit off tangent, and doesn't explain Dan's sadness, lest its the sadness of homesickness ...

I like this theory. Great thought and we all know how they like to weave mythology into the storylines.

I don't even know if AS and Autism are related. :rolleyes: Thanks for that, though. :)

Tourettes would also be very interesting...the *twitch* when he talks...

That's what I think, too-- that the freighties were lied to either by Naomi/Abbadon about what the situation was really like. The part with Abbadon saying, "there are NO survivors" is curious.

Just a note about Aspergers and Autism . . . . I'm a school counselor, and work with students with Aspergers every day. With the exception of really having little affect when dealing with others, my Aspergers students excel in academics and go on to college. Both are on the Autism spectrum, but are vastly different situations.

The Dead Zone idea is fantastic. I would love to see Faraday possess some sort of empathetic affliction. Very interesting.