I think it's Frank.

Abbadon told Naomi the team had been selected for their unique skills or talents or whatever...but what 'talent' does Frank have...boozy out of work pilots are a dime-a-dozen. Frank found them. His insistence in speaking to the hotline supervisor is my big tell. Somehow he goes from calling into the hotline to pilot of the mission!!! No way...he's an infiltrator. Ok, maybe not Bens, but someone's.

But then of course, maybe he was just the lucky 100th caller....and won a fabulous trip to Craphole Island Resort and Tropical Mortuary.

I think it has to be Michael as the spy, namely for these 3 reasons, which aren't spoilers by any means:

1. Tabloids, news articles, all state Michael will be back this season.
2. We're closing in on the first third of the season soon. The ship will come into focus based on the current plotline shortly.
3. I don't see any other plausable situation for Michael to make an appearance. He last was seen going out to sea. We have to assume he was picked up by the ship. I assume somehow Walt's safety is at stake for Michael,otherwise, he wouldn't waste time or even care to report info back to Ben. Or, bigger yet, is the big "island" secret Michael surely discovers whilst on the boat, which could influence him to forget about going home and help "save the universe"

MJR

All of that makes a fine case for Michael...but in rebuttal:

For me, Michael is WAY too obvious; I agree, he's probably on the boat, but I somehow doubt that it follows automatically that he's working for Ben.

The s2 finale gave very little impression that Michael was in league with Ben,
quite the opposite IIRC.

I think Miles is not the spy—because I think the story line has this twist. . .

Miles talked to dead Naomi. We all think he talked to her to find out who killed her.

What if Miles cares more about the fact that Naomi what their “inside” person? What I mean is, Naomi was the only one we saw talking to Abbadon, and it appears she was the only “employee” of the “company.”

What if Naomi told Miles a company secret. Naomi could have told Miles to ask for the 3.2 Mil. Anyway, this would make Miles a pawn, and not the “”man on the ship.”:redface:

MJR


For me, Michael is WAY too obvious; I agree, he's probably on the boat, but I somehow doubt that it follows automatically that he's working for Ben.


What makes us think this person is 'working' for Ben?

I think Ben's man on the boat is Jacob. He is able to transcend time and space, and manifest himself as whomever he chooses. I think that he is the Islands brain, or consciousness - the directing force that makes all things possible on the island. I don't think that he is resticted by the cofines of the island (even time and space) - although we do see a volcanic ash ring around the cabin. Seeing as how he is not restricted I believe he is the one giving Ben the information he needs to determine the people on the boat are bad. Ultimately Ben plays a crucial role for Jacob, he carries out his orders, therefore I would suppose Jacob would not want Ben to be captured.

I think Michael would be great, but too obvious. After the baby shock at the end of the eppy, everything is on the table with the writers........

Michael or Walt being the obvious choice, how about Annie from Ben's flashback?

how do we know that Mile's ISN'T Ben's spy on the boat? he's really the only one of the freighties that has mentioned that they are looking for Ben, and maybe the requested money is in payment for his spying? I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that Miles is the spy, and if Kate had indeed given him some privacy when Miles asked for it, maybe the conversation would have gone differently. how else would Ben know who Miles is as he stated when he was asked?

I agree. Why else would Miles ask if Ben knew who he was? And if Miles had no connection to Ben, why didn't he answer, "you're that ghost whisperer from the freighter"? He just said, "Yes". I thought Ben's whole demeanor was suspicious. That's why I think he knows Miles, as his mole.

Ok. Figuring that Ben probably can go back in time also, he may know who is on the boat right now. We saw in Sayids episode, that in the future he works for Ben. Sayid is now on the boat. Ben says he has a man on the boat. So, now I think Sayid is Bens man. I originally thought it was Miles, and I think that is still a possibilty. But now I'm starting to lean more to Sayid. Sorry if this was already brought up. Wondering if anyone see's this as a possiblity?

Here's my problem with this theory. I like it, but from what I can see there is a problem.

Sayid has not been on the boat concurrently with the 3 other members of the freighter team that parachuted to the island. Charlotte, Miles, and Dan. The information that Ben disclosed that he knew was specifically about the 3 of them. Their names and their mission.

Can one time travel to a place where they never were? i.e. Can Sayid's mind go to the freighter prior to those three's trip to the island where he would learn all that information.

If Ben can also travel back in time and if they can go to a place they weren't at in the past, why wouldn't Ben just go there himself?

Ben's "man" apparently opened the door to the sick bay, though. Sayid was locked in the room with the rest of them.

Here's my problem with this theory. I like it, but from what I can see there is a problem.

Sayid has not been on the boat concurrently with the 3 other members of the freighter team that parachuted to the island. Charlotte, Miles, and Dan. The information that Ben disclosed that he knew was specifically about the 3 of them. Their names and their mission.

Can one time travel to a place where they never were? i.e. Can Sayid's mind go to the freighter prior to those three's trip to the island where he would learn all that information.

If Ben can also travel back in time and if they can go to a place they weren't at in the past, why wouldn't Ben just go there himself?
I see what you mean. Is their evidence that says they can only travel back? How about forward. Ben knowing that Sayid got off the island. But I do not think at this time that Sayid is working for Ben. Only in the future he does. Ben still considering then that Sayid is his man. Uhg! Gets so confussing. Hope that makes sense.

Another hole in the theory, Goldfoot.

We don't know that Ben's man opened the door though.

Ben's "man" apparently opened the door to the sick bay, though. Sayid was locked in the room with the rest of them.
Do we have proof that it was Bens man that left the door open? Not trying to say it wasn't, just trying to figure this all out.

We dont' have proof that Ben's man opened the door, jellybean. In fact, I do not agree with that theory. Why would Ben's man help the Losties? He would know that they are loose cannons and would make every attempt to contact the outside world. He wouldn't want the island discovered and so the safest place for the Losties is in the locked room.

We dont' have proof that Ben's man opened the door, jellybean. In fact, I do not agree with that theory. Why would Ben's man help the Losties? He would know that they are loose cannons and would make every attempt to contact the outside world. He wouldn't want the island discovered and so the safest place for the Losties is in the locked room.
Yeah, why some one would leave the door open, when it was originally locked made no sense to me too. Someone is trying to help them, and I can't imagine someone working for Ben to want to help them.

couldn't ben's man on the boat just be Ben? It seems like he might be everywhere

I think Ben's man on the freighter could be Michael or Walt. When he gave them the coordinates to find rescue, do you think he led them to the freighter? Ben's a smart man and probably knew of the freighter and used Michael/Walt to his benefit.

This makes sense because I seem to recall (the night Walt was kidnapped from the raft) someone saying the boat that Others were on (which eventually was given to Michael) was to small for the open seas. It might have even been Michael who said that.

Do I remember this correctly?

This would explain why Ben would give up something so valuable as a boat.

I think it has to be Michael as the spy, namely for these 3 reasons, which aren't spoilers by any means:

1. Tabloids, news articles, all state Michael will be back this season.
2. We're closing in on the first third of the season soon. The ship will come into focus based on the current plotline shortly.
3. I don't see any other plausable situation for Michael to make an appearance. He last was seen going out to sea. We have to assume he was picked up by the ship. I assume somehow Walt's safety is at stake for Michael,otherwise, he wouldn't waste time or even care to report info back to Ben. Or, bigger yet, is the big "island" secret Michael surely discovers whilst on the boat, which could influence him to forget about going home and help "save the universe"

no plausible situation? how about a flashback? There's nothing to lead us to believe that Michael will be back in any "current" parts of Lost. just because a guy is credited doesn't mean that there will be new stuff with him, it could be a flashback or forward.

no plausible situation? how about a flashback? There's nothing to lead us to believe that Michael will be back in any "current" parts of Lost. just because a guy is credited doesn't mean that there will be new stuff with him, it could be a flashback or forward.

Nothing to lead us to believe he'll be back other than the giant reveal they had at San Diego Comic-Con last summer, you mean?

I'm beginning to think that the man on the boat is someone who connects Desmond/Sayid/ and Ben.

I think that person is Kelvin Joe Inman only because it would be perfect writing to connect all three. Guy who trained Sayid, guy who trained Desmond, and guy (ultimately) working for Ben. Just like everyone else on this island who is supposed to die, he somehow... didn't. Just a theory and I want the guy back anyways.

Mikhail was dead twice, then blew up the Looking Glass, perhaps Mikhail is 'Ben's man' on the freighter. He was in scuba gear, and could have easily swam to the freighter, or maybe George's tender while on their 'joy ride to the island'.

I hope not, he cheated death way to many times. I think the grenade in TTLG did him in.

Mikhail was dead twice, then blew up the Looking Glass, perhaps Mikhail is 'Ben's man' on the freighter. He was in scuba gear, and could have easily swam to the freighter, or maybe George's tender while on their 'joy ride to the island'.


If he swam to the freighter, that would be a neat trick.

Its 40 miles.

Maybe the grenade blew him towards the ship and when he bobbed up to the surface Minkowski and his buddy found him while on their tender adventure?

Nah that's crazy talk.

its michael

If he swam to the freighter, that would be a neat trick.

Its 40 miles.

But the tender was nearby.
100%
Maybe the grenade blew him towards the ship and when he bobbed up to the surface Minkowski and his buddy found him while on their tender adventure?

Nah that's crazy talk.

He survived a house getting blown up, and a harpoon in his chest. And what about that eye? I'm just speculating, if the tender was near, it's quite possible they picked him up. Michael seems too obvious.

Most are thinking Michael but it would be a freak out if it was Mikhail!! but he wouldn't
be the one who helped Sayid and Des get out of the room, I wouldn't think.

Most are thinking Michael but it would be a freak out if it was Mikhail!! but he wouldn't
be the one who helped Sayid and Des get out of the room, I wouldn't think.

I'm just saying.......

Mikhail is Russian for Michael......

Didn't TPTB confirm that Mikhail is dead? I thought I heard that. I hope I'm wrong, though, because I love Mikhail. Crazy cyclops Russians ftw.

Yea, in the audio commentary on the Season 3 DVD, Damon and Carlton confirmed that Mikhail was killed by his grenade in the finale, so I think it's safe to assume that the guy on the freighter is the guy we think its going to be...

Yea, in the audio commentary on the Season 3 DVD, Damon and Carlton confirmed that Mikhail was killed by his grenade in the finale, so I think it's safe to assume that the guy on the freighter is the guy we think its going to be...

They also said there would be no time travel. I'm starting to wonder if those commentary's are only meant to deceive, just to keep us guessing.

Don't be silly...everyone knows it's Christian Shephard/Vincent

Kelvin...

Yea, in the audio commentary on the Season 3 DVD, Damon and Carlton confirmed that Mikhail was killed by his grenade in the finale, so I think it's safe to assume that the guy on the freighter is the guy we think its going to be...

I do believe this to be true. I may have spoiler fonted, just in case some
have not gotten a chance to see all the extras or view the DVD's for
Season 3.

I would love to see Mikhail come back to be the man on the boat. From the very beginning when people were saying that it was Michael, I couldn't wrap my head around how that made any sense. Apart from the fact that he was gone, and is coming back at some point, there's nothing that has developed in the story that would suggest that he wants to do anything other than leave the island with his son and never look back. Michael has absolutely no reason to 'work for' Ben, and I don't see why Ben would trust this guy who crashed on the island some months ago over someone he's bred into submission from his own community... like Mikhail!

I would love to see Mikhail come back to be the man on the boat. From the very beginning when people were saying that it was Michael, I couldn't wrap my head around how that made any sense. Apart from the fact that he was gone, and is coming back at some point, there's nothing that has developed in the story that would suggest that he wants to do anything other than leave the island with his son and never look back. Michael has absolutely no reason to 'work for' Ben, and I don't see why Ben would trust this guy who crashed on the island some months ago over someone he's bred into submission from his own community... like Mikhail!

Thanks! I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks it's not Michael. Mikhail makes sense. I guess we'll find out in two weeks. I don't think we'll know next week, they always skip a week for important stuff.

I do believe this to be true. I may have spoiler fonted, just in case some
have not gotten a chance to see all the extras or view the DVD's for
Season 3.
I'll spoiler font this, just in case


They also said it in a podcast last summer - would that considered a spoiler too? And just playing devil's advocate here, if we don't see Mikhail in any episodes this season, at what point would it become reasonable to assume he is in fact dead? Do we have to wait all the way until the final episode 2+ years from now?

Don't be silly...everyone knows it's Christian Shephard/Vincent

Christian is a possible but Vincent was with the losties at the barracks tonight. Seems Vincent is a Locke kind of dog. Of course he should be since he was Walt's pet and we know Walt and Locke get along fantastically. ;)

I hope it's not Mikhail, he just needs to be dead already. He was a good character, but that would just be too much. I want Michael back.

its michael

I think that's certainly clear now.

this episode pretty much confirmed that michael is the "man on the boat".

ben told locke to sit down obvisously this meant that locke knew the person who ben was talking about.

so if that is the case i presume locke doesnt know harper but then again we dont know where harper came from. so he wouldnt to have needed to sit down as he would have been like "who?"

By now, it seems so obvious it has to be Michael (we've seen his name in the credits each week and we know he's coming back somehow) so obvious that I can't imagine anyone being surprised at that reveal. After that big announcement at Comic con etc about him returning as a series regular...he seems like a shoo in. That is what is troubling about it...... I have to think the writers would know we are expecting it to be Michael.....so maybe they still have some other card up their sleeve????

I too thought it could be Patchy....we'll probably see him again sometime.

Or Maybe Michael is the Freighter Captain...Widmore or whoever enlisted him to return to the Island after having escaped using his knowledge of the Island etc...of course who knows why Michael would work for Widmore or Ben for that matter.

It does seem if they thought they would surprise us with Michael as the man on the boat...that ship as sailed
Can't wait to see what they have in store for us

By now, it seems so obvious it has to be Michael (we've seen his name in the credits each week and we know he's coming back somehow) so obvious that I can't imagine anyone being surprised at that reveal. After that big announcement at Comic con etc about him returning as a series regular...he seems like a shoo in. That is what is troubling about it...... I have to think the writers would know we are expecting it to be Michael.....so maybe they still have some other card up their sleeve????

I too thought it could be Patchy....we'll probably see him again sometime.

Or Maybe Michael is the Freighter Captain...Widmore or whoever enlisted him to return to the Island after having escaped using his knowledge of the Island etc...of course who knows why Michael would work for Widmore or Ben for that matter.

It does seem if they thought they would surprise us with Michael as the man on the boat...that ship as sailed
Can't wait to see what they have in store for us

We all think it's Michael, but then, I got to thinking. What if it's Charlie, what if he somehow was pulled out of the porthole by Mikhail, and survived? That'd would be so awesome! I'd love to see Charlie again. I don't think it's Michael, it's so obvious, and it would be such a let down if it was, just because we all expect him.

Can a dead guy be a spy? lol RIP Patchy.
Anyway, I hope its NOT Michael as Ben's man on the boat. That would be too easy, so im praying that its not him.





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Thanks! I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks it's not Michael. Mikhail makes sense. I guess we'll find out in two weeks. I don't think we'll know next week, they always skip a week for important stuff.

It's most likely Michael and it will be disappointing because we already know. But it's fun to speculate. Based on Ben's telling Locke to sit down for the news, it has to be someone the both Ben, Locke (and we) know. I would speculate that it's:
1. Taller, ghost Walt
2. Dr. Marvin Candle (or Dr. Mark Wickman)
3. Randy.
4. Future Charlie.

We've all been so obsessed with debating whether the spy is Michael, or the freighters, we've forgotten to think like the show writers. None of those would be shocking to us. We're all predicting it already,

Locke being the spy on the ship makes perfect sense for a variety of reasons:

1. He's warmed up to Ben at this point, knowing their common enemy.
2. Somehow the whole time thing must come into play, or teleportation, whatever you want to call it, and the Locke on the Island learns from Ben how to manipulate the island to be in both dimensions at the same time.
3. Mainly, I like the theory because it's the only person nobody would ever think of, and that's usually what gets us.

Thoughts/comments?

I vote for Naomi. She was never dead, This was an act that Ben cooked up to get her back on the boat. And Sayid figured it out. That's why he was watching her so carefully while they were waiting near the helicopter. (maybe he could see the slightest movement of her breathing?

Here is the proof. If you look carefully, you will see Naomi walking around the island village in the Juliette first day flashback. She is carrying something as she walks by. Ben has, if I am correct, sent her back to infiltrate the Widmore invasion for its inception. When I mentioned my theory, he said..."Oh yeah, and the spiders!" The spiders' bite gave people a death-like appearance!

We've all been so obsessed with debating whether the spy is Michael, or the freighters, we've forgotten to think like the show writers. None of those would be shocking to us. We're all predicting it already,

Locke being the spy on the ship makes perfect sense for a variety of reasons:

1. He's warmed up to Ben at this point, knowing their common enemy.
2. Somehow the whole time thing must come into play, or teleportation, whatever you want to call it, and the Locke on the Island learns from Ben how to manipulate the island to be in both dimensions at the same time.
3. Mainly, I like the theory because it's the only person nobody would ever think of, and that's usually what gets us.

Thoughts/comments?

If this has been going on without showing us, I would feel betrayed.
Besides, Ben knew who these people were for a while, there's no way Locke was with him for this long, Ben just shot him a couple of days ago.

It would be crazy though :)

It's most likely Michael and it will be disappointing because we already know. But it's fun to speculate. Based on Ben's telling Locke to sit down for the news, it has to be someone the both Ben, Locke (and we) know. I would speculate that it's:
1. Taller, ghost Walt
2. Dr. Marvin Candle (or Dr. Mark Wickman)
3. Randy.
4. Future Charlie.

I don't think Michael's on the boat. Too obvious.

http://bp2.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/...0-h/Image9.jpg

Considering there's the Box Maker clue in the Tempest it made me think of this.

There are lots of "boxes" in the video Ben showed Locke & it looks like factory of some kind.

So the question is where was this filmed & who filmed it? And consider Randy is handy with a camera.......

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:RandyFFfilm.jpg

Maybe the man on the boat it Locke's boss from the box company & he filmed the video for Ben? And right after the film did Locke ask, again who's the man on the boat? at which time Ben said "You better sit down"

I guess the spy also could be Walt

Michael or Walt, or both. If Michael is the mole, then no doubt Walt will be with him, and vice versa.

So the obvious choice is ....Michael

But Miles knows everything about Kate and the other people on 815. He has their files. The freighties have the 815 manifest. Charlotte was surprised to find them on the island.

If Michael was on the boat, then wouldn't the crew know that Michael was on 815.

Wouldn't Daniel or Frank have told the rest of the survivors that they picked up another survivor?

it's obviously very popular that it will be Michael but i can't understand why he would risk so much helping Ben.

So the obvious choice is ....Michael

But Miles knows everything about Kate and the other people on 815. He has their files. The freighties have the 815 manifest. Charlotte was surprised to find them on the island.

If Michael was on the boat, then wouldn't the crew know that Michael was on 815.

Wouldn't Daniel or Frank have told the rest of the survivors that they picked up another survivor?

He would not know about him if this were the case:
He is going under the name of Kevin Johnson. They may have the manifest from the plane, but I doubt they have photos of every passenger- especially if htey thought the plane was at the bottom of the ocean(and they aren't behind the "fake" plane.

He would not know about him if this were the case:
He is going under the name of Kevin Johnson. They may have the manifest from the plane, but I doubt they have photos of every passenger- especially if htey thought the plane was at the bottom of the ocean(and they aren't behind the "fake" plane.

Where did you get the idea for that name under the spoiler tag?

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Maybe the grenade blew him towards the ship and when he bobbed up to the surface Minkowski and his buddy found him while on their tender adventure?

Nah that's crazy talk.

That's not crazy talk...this is crazy talk..."blah ba boo bing bong blat..."

Seriously dudes...it's Michael!

Where did you get the idea for that name under the spoiler tag?

I am having trouble posting with the information under a spoiler and I don't want to get in trouble but basically it is from tons of different spoilers. There is no exact confirmation, but a likely possibility.

A future episode is called Meet Kevin Johnson- it is the one after this week, and I think it will be explaining where Walt and Michael have been since they left the island. I also think probably gave them fake IDs so they would not have to explain being the only 815 survivors- assuming her ever actually meant for them to get off the island

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Guys, if your post would contain nothing but spoilers, then please don't post in this thread! Even writing something like "Yes, and we know [insert properly fonted spoiler here]" spoils other posters. Plus, there is no real reason why spoilers have to be discussed in this thread, anyway: there are sections on this board where you can openly discuss these things, but this isn't one of them...

Thank you!

WTF?

MICHAEL? WALT?...they are long gone...

Are ya'll crazy? Yeah that's right I said YA'LL!...and Yes I am from TEXAS! LMAO!

Here is the slim shit. The "man" on the "boat" is....our boy Charlie....

Not only that but we'll see some more of our one-eyed bastard friend as well...

...No spoilers, just SPECULATION....:biggrin:

WTF?

MICHAEL? WALT?...they are long gone...

Are ya'll crazy? Yeah that's right I said YA'LL!...and Yes I am from TEXAS! LMAO!

Here is the slim crap. The "man" on the "boat" is....our boy Charlie....

Not only that but we'll see some more of our one-eyed model student friend as well...

...No spoilers, just SPECULATION....:biggrin:

How much you wanna bet?

$100?

I don't think Michael's on the boat. Too obvious.

http://bp2.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/...0-h/Image9.jpg

Considering there's the Box Maker clue in the Tempest it made me think of this.

There are lots of "boxes" in the video Ben showed Locke & it looks like factory of some kind.

So the question is where was this filmed & who filmed it? And consider Randy is handy with a camera.......

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:RandyFFfilm.jpg

Maybe the man on the boat it Locke's boss from the box company & he filmed the video for Ben? And right after the film did Locke ask, again who's the man on the boat? at which time Ben said "You better sit down"

YES! YES! YES! Randy! :rotflmao2: <-- happy laughter btw ~ I miss his sweet demeanor and all round encouraging attitude.

Not sure about your photographic evidence though - the last line on the poster in the window clearly says : t all, so obviously Walt then... unless it's something to do with the scary kitty (giant hamsters and time-slipping rats beware!).

I could happily go for Ethan - I had missing-him pangs when he didn't show up in The Other Woman ...and would have quite enjoyed watching him eat the sandwich - I heard a rumour he was seen breathing as his grave was being dug.

Well now we know who the likely candidate is for Ben's man on the boat - Michael.

My theory: Michael cut a deal with Ben to get Walt home safely. Part of the deal was somehow getting on the ship and securing a job as a deckhand.

How was Ben able to get someone on the freighter? How have they been communicating? I don't doubt it, but I'm thinking through the logistics.

Just awesome that Ben is a step ahead of the freighter crew . . .


...Hey I don't want to spoil things BUT the MAN on the FREIGHTER is...


MICHAEL....Meet Kevin Johnson...LMAO:biggrin: