I know screen caps pretty much confrimed this last week, but.....

Locke seems suprised that Hurley knew about the cabin when Hurley mentioned that they were going in the wrong direction. Does this confim that it was not Locke in the cabin. If it was Locke eye we saw in the cabin, he would know that Hurley had knowledge of the cabin. Or was the Hurley and the cabin seqence all a "vision" of Hurleys?

Good question.
In any case, Locke seemed somewhat pleased that Hurley saw the cabin.

I thought both Locke and Ben looked disturbed that Hurley saw the cabin. Is Locke in Ben's shoes now because he isn't as "special" as he though since someone else was able to see the cabin, and possibly Jacob?

Put me down as someone who thought that Locke and Ben seemed disturbed about Hurley's cabin statement. Hurley's attempt to backpedal might have fooled Locke, but it didn't fool Ben.

Put me down as someone who thought that Locke and Ben seemed disturbed about Hurley's cabin statement. Hurley's attempt to backpedal might have fooled Locke, but it didn't fool Ben.

I don't think it fooled Locke, either. He seemed happy about it, after he got over the initial surprise that he shared with Ben.

Locke did seem happy that Hurley knew about the cabin after his initial suprise. But the big question is, if it wasn't Locke in the cabin w/Jacob then who was it?

Locke did seem happy that Hurley knew about the cabin after his initial suprise. But the big question is, if it wasn't Locke in the cabin w/Jacob then who was it?

Nay, nay... ;) If needed, find that thread from last week in which it was pretty clearly shown that it was Christian and *unknown person* in the cabin. So the big question would be, who was with Christian in the cabin? Was it Jacob?

Nay, nay... ;) If needed, find that thread from last week in which it was pretty clearly shown that it was Christian and *unknown person* in the cabin. So the big question would be, who was with Christian in the cabin? Was it Jacob?

I know that screen caps pretty much proved that it was not Locke in the cabin, hence my caveat in the OP. However there were some that were still speculating that it was Locke in the cabin (with someone) since he found Hurley so fast after Hurly ran from the cabin. All I'm saying is that Locke being suprised by Hurley's knowledge of the cabin confrims that it was not Locke in the cabin. It could have been Jacob and Christian, Christian could be Jacob and someone else was there, Christian and someone were there and Jacob is a farce. Many possibilities here.

I know that screen caps pretty much proved that it was not Locke in the cabin, hence my caveat in the OP. However there were some that were still speculating that it was Locke in the cabin (with someone) since he found Hurley so fast after Hurly ran from the cabin. All I'm saying is that Locke being suprised by Hurley's knowledge of the cabin confrims that it was not Locke in the cabin. It could have been Jacob and Christian, Christian could be Jacob and someone else was there, Christian and someone were there and Jacob is a farce. Many possibilities here.

Whoa, totally didn't realize you were the topic poster. My bad. In that case, I guess I'm the one who should have read more of that thread. I came away from it thinking the Christian and not-Locke bit was nailed down.

what about locke and hurley's disagreement about where the cabin was? the cabin locke is heading to is a long way away, which makes me think it wasn't him that hurley saw when he saw the cabin. plus, in the screen shots of the eye it looks like it has more facial hair than locke

I thought a very interesting part of tonights show was Ben's face when he found out the Hurley saw Jacob's cabin. When he told Locke he thought it was the opposite direction both Locke and Ben both did an about face. I think Ben will begin to manipulate Hurley just as he has Locke and Jack and a variety of others in the past. Also what does this say about Hurley, why would Jacob reach out to him? Thoughts?

I think Ben was surprised that Hurley knew anything about the shack. He didn't think Hurley was "special."

I thought the look on his face was priceless!! He had no idea that Hurley was special in any way other than being a good person. I'm afraid that what you guys are thinking is right - Ben's going to start his mind games on Hurley. I hate to think about that!

The minds games are coming, but what does Hurley bring to the table that would benefit Jacob directly? He isn't a leader, doesn't have a lot of stroke as far as his crew. Being a great guy doesn't seem like a trait that would help. Thoughts?

The minds games are coming, but what does Hurley bring to the table that would benefit Jacob directly? He isn't a leader, doesn't have a lot of stroke as far as his crew. Being a great guy doesn't seem like a trait that would help. Thoughts?

He's a hero!

He saved Sayid, Bernard, and Jin...dude is a freakin' HERO!

Anyway, that was a great scene...no question that Ben was all ears after he heard that. Locke was just as surprised.

I love that Hurley's story is finally being told. I always thaought that his story was going to turn out more intereting than just "the numbers".

We have been trying to figure out why Hurley ends up on the O6 and maybe we just found out...Looks like Ben manipulates Hurley into leaving the island so that he doesn't have more than one other person that sees Jacob.

He already tried to kill Locke after finding out that he is special...why not just manipulate Hurley into thinking that he has to leave???

I thought a very interesting part of tonights show was Ben's face when he found out the Hurley saw Jacob's cabin. When he told Locke he thought it was the opposite direction both Locke and Ben both did an about face. I think Ben will begin to manipulate Hurley just as he has Locke and Jack and a variety of others in the past. Also what does this say about Hurley, why would Jacob reach out to him? Thoughts?

I wonder if that ash circle was broken. Maybe Christian Shepherd was able to help Jacob get lose from Ben's control and now he and his shack are mobile. Now Jacob doesn't have to wait for people to come to him-he and his shack can go to them! Wonder what would have happened if Hurley had taken the invitation and entered?

Poor Hurley. Because of his size he is so often underestimated and dismissed. To answer your question Ben manipulates everyone he interacts with. Given access he would attempt to manipulate Hurley but I think Hurley is one of the few people who could resist.

and Locke was shocked... maybe Hurley wasn't looking in Jacob's cabin, but another one. if anyone remembers Twin Peaks, there was the Black Lodge and the White Lodge. maybe Hurley stumbled on to the Black Lodge.

Does this mean the cabin appeared to Hurley for a particular reason?

Did you see the look Locke and Ben exchanged when they found out Hurley saw the cabin?

Did you see the look Locke and Ben exchanged when they found out Hurley saw the cabin?

I don't think they exchanged looks, but the camera focused on both Locke's and Ben's reaction. Maybe Hurley is the "chosen one" Ben was referring to when Locke couldn't kill his father.

I don't think they exchanged looks, but the camera focused on both Locke's and Ben's reaction. Maybe Hurley is the "chosen one" Ben was referring to when Locke couldn't kill his father.

I think the "chosen one" is still going to end up being Walt. He has shown paranormal activity through various flashbacks, and with that miniepisode shown online recently.

What i am intrigued by now is whether or not "dave" is real.

Hurley has seen Charlie, as well as another "crazy."
Hurley has seen Jacob. Locke has only heard him, and seen the byproduct of Jacob's presence. Ben, I think CAN see him, but I don't think he can hear Jacob.
Hurley has seen Dave. Dave has been on the island....???

The idea that the cabin has CHOSEN to appear to Hurley is probably more worrisome to Ben. If nothing else, where is the ring of ash?

Locke shouldn't and most likely doesn't feel threatened by this news.

Hurley has seen Dave. Dave has been on the island....???


remember that Ben saw his mother and she was never on the island. that got Richard's attention in the jungle when they first met.

I thought a very interesting part of tonights show was Ben's face when he found out the Hurley saw Jacob's cabin. When he told Locke he thought it was the opposite direction both Locke and Ben both did an about face. I think Ben will begin to manipulate Hurley just as he has Locke and Jack and a variety of others in the past. Also what does this say about Hurley, why would Jacob reach out to him? Thoughts?


That was a great moment...Ben was in total shock. Maybe Hurley is the one who can free Jacob?!?! ;)

Did you see the look Locke and Ben exchanged when they found out Hurley saw the cabin?

I LOVED their reactions when they realized he had seen Jacob's cabin! It's like they both realized suddenly that there was much more to Hurley than meets the eye...

BTW, about the ring of ash...
In an interview on Jay and Jack, Jorge Garcia said that there was a cut scene from 4x01 where Hurley found the ring of ash.

I think they both understand that Hurley saw Jacobs cabin and are now aware he is one of the special ones.

Is it possible the cabin appears to those chosen when and where they need it?

thats a good point, should prove to some people (including myself) that it really wasnt locke in the cabin.

My husband and I thought the other man in the cabin looked alot like Daniel Faraday... what do you guys think?

I thought that the eye looked like Mikail.

That's funny cuz I also thought it was Mikhail but my huband kept insisting it was the new guy

Did you see it ? When Hurley talked about Jacob's cabin (8th minute), Locke and Ben's faces were focused for a purpose, I assume.

Locke seemed "smilley" as in "surprised in a good way".

Ben seemed "shocked" as in "surprised in a bad way".

Do you think Jacob talked to Hurley ? Or gave him any kind of "vibe" ?

My hubby thought the eye was Mikhail's too. I agree that both Locke and Ben were shocked when Hurley mentioned the cabin.

I loved it when Hurley dropped the bomb that he saw the cabin, and then tried to cover it up.

Clear this up for me. I thought it was only seeing or hearing Jacob that mattered, not the cabin. Once Hurley mentioned he saw the shack, Locke was surprised and Ben looked nervous/concerned. But something doesn't seem right.

When Ben brought Locke to see or hear Jacob, Ben didn't seem surprised for Locke to see the cabin.

Am I missing something? Tell me your thoughts. :biggrin:

I would imagine from their expressions, Ben's in particular, the the fact that Hurley saw the cabin was HUGE. Ben totally didn't see that coming and Locke seemed pleasantly surprised after the initial shock. Since this is only the second time we saw the cabin used, there's nothing we can use as a guage ourselves to see what it all might mean.

Loved this scene too!
It seemed to me that Locke was happy that someone else is starting to see what he sees... that Hurley is showing signs of being one of the first to finally come around and possibly (eventually) see things from his (Locke's) perspective.

I am not sure that Hurley seeing the cabin makes him special, maybe anybody can see the cabin?

I think they're more concerned that he saw Jacob rather than the cabin itself.

Tink, you stole my idea! I was just going to post that I thought it might be Daniel Faraday, but you beat me to it :)

At any rate, it does look a lot like him to me, especially since Jorge Garcia said in an interview that the person who's eye it belonged to had been cast into the show (in other words, not an extra or prop actor like the original stand-in for Jacob in S3). I can't remember if he said someone who had just been cast in, or just that the role was cast. In that case it could be anyone, but a new person seems more likely.

If it is Faraday though, what does that mean since we just saw him land? Foreshadowing from the Island/Jacob that he's important, or some kind of Walt-type projection as we assume he's done before?

I thought that the eye looked like Mikail.

To me it was obviously Jacob's eye.:confused: It was the same eye we saw when Ben brought Locke to the cabin (with that distinctive bump near the bridge of the nose). Damon said that was Jacob's eye.

To me it was obviously Jacob's eye.:confused: It was the same eye we saw when Ben brought Locke to the cabin (with that distinctive bump near the bridge of the nose). Damon said that was Jacob's eye.
I agree with you!

Good question.
In any case, Locke seemed somewhat pleased that Hurley saw the cabin.

...and Ben didn't :biggrin: Is Locke pleased because he is not alone in specialness, or because it is now two against one?

remember that Ben saw his mother and she was never on the island. that got Richard's attention in the jungle when they first met.

I read this somewhere else and let it pass, but I kept thinking about. Richard didn't necessarily seem surprised that (little) Ben had seen his mother, but he did change his tone and interest in the conversation to iterate to Ben that he was special. And, that from just seeing the vision. Many have seen people, and if things count, many more have had visions in general. Are they all special, or do they have to be able to see and/ or hear Jacob to be special? And, whose deifintion of "special" matters most? Is Ben's current deifintion the same as Richard's definition that day when Ben was young?

I also have wondered why the Others made Ben their leader... Was it because he saw the vision? If so, does that mean none of the Others can see any visions? So, no one has been able to communicate with Jacob all this time, but they knew about him - as the "power" of the Island? I could probably go on all night...

To me it was obviously Jacob's eye.:confused: It was the same eye we saw when Ben brought Locke to the cabin (with that distinctive bump near the bridge of the nose). Damon said that was Jacob's eye.

I thought the dark area in the upper right, above the temple, was hair. I thought Jacob right away, with crazy hair and stuff. But, the way Christian was "posed" in the chair was spooky. (Goofy) what if... Jacob can not leave his chair, much like Desmond was stuck in the Swan hatch every 108 minutes. Maybe the chair is a permanent gig, like you can never get out of it. Maybe he used Christian's lifeless body to "stretch his legs" a bit. I dunno. But, this is my new favorite mystery - all things Jacob and the cabin...

why can't I shake the image of jacob being this insane hermit who's not above putting a body in a chair and having a nice conversation with it.
I got the impression from watching the scene again that the eye appeared much like a person who was disturbed doing something important by an unexpected visitor.
the person flashes to the window in a suprising and dramatic fashion. No doubt I'm imagining the "what the heck r u doing here" look but I'm not too sure the cabin was presented to hurley by jacob himself.

Frankly I tend to think that jacob is less a manifestation of the islands will, and more a person who is remarkably intune with the island itself, but who is ultimately presenting his version of what it wants.

Good question.
In any case, Locke seemed somewhat pleased that Hurley saw the cabin.

Why would Locke be pleased that Hurley saw the cabin?

I thought both Locke and Ben looked disturbed that Hurley saw the cabin. Is Locke in Ben's shoes now because he isn't as "special" as he though since someone else was able to see the cabin, and possibly Jacob?

I thought that as well....

what about locke and hurley's disagreement about where the cabin was? the cabin locke is heading to is a long way away, which makes me think it wasn't him that hurley saw when he saw the cabin. plus, in the screen shots of the eye it looks like it has more facial hair than locke

Maybe that's why I thought Locke was annoyed that Hurley could see the cabin/Jacob (possibly).

I think it's likely that Locke is taking the group to a cabin that is not Jacob's cabin. I think Locke was in the cabin when Hurley stumbled upon it but I think he is surprised and upset that Hurley would mention the cabin in front of a group full of people. I think Ben is genuinely surprised at Hurley's knowledge of Jacob's cabin because I'm sure Ben had written Hurley off as relatively unimportant (although Hurley is obviously important because it is the numbers that brought him here). I think both are upset that Hurley would blurt out the secret of the Jacob's cabin even though Hurley is unaware of the cabin's meaning and importance.