All four of the people from the freighter seemed as if they were surprised to find out 815 crashed and had no survivors. Almost as if they knew if was headed for the island. How did they know? Was the pilot one of them and guiding the plane to the island?

One of the freighter guys from the flashback knew the pilot.

Well....no....because the pilot of 815 is dead...he died in the first episode...was smashed and bloodies by the 'monster'

Well....no....because the pilot of 815 is dead...he died in the first episode...was smashed and bloodies by the 'monster'

No, not what I meant. I meant was he part of their original group before 815 took off. In the flashback one of the guys knew him which leads me to believe he might have been on that plane for a reason- to guide it to the island. He lied when he said the plane was off course in the pilot. I think he put it off course.

Anything is possible...but remember that the guy knew him because he was also a pilot with Oceanic 815. He said that he was supposed to fly that plane. So presumably something came up and the other pilot took his place...and was the one who crashed. But if they were co-workers they would know about eachother's wives and details about their personal lives.

but remember that the guy knew him because he was also a pilot with Oceanic 815

But we don't really know this. We just know than he was supposed to be flying the plane that day. Maybe originally he was supposed to direct the plane to the island, but for some reason, possibly his drinking but probably something more creative, they replaced him with the pilot that Smokey killed.

But we don't really know this. We just know than he was supposed to be flying the plane that day. Maybe originally he was supposed to direct the plane to the island, but for some reason, possibly his drinking but probably something more creative, they replaced him with the pilot that Smokey killed.

But pilots work for specific airlines. If he didn't work for Oceanic he wouldn't have been booked to fly 815. And when he couldn't for whatever reason another pilot with the airline took over. He told the people on the phone all the stuff he knew about the other pilot...and why it wasn't him at the bottom of the ocean and the guy asked how he had all this information and he said "because I was supposed to fly that plane." That explanation doesn't make sense unless he's saying that he worked with the guy and was supposed to be the pilot on duty...but instead it ended up being him.

Anything is possible...but remember that the guy knew him because he was also a pilot with Oceanic 815. He said that he was supposed to fly that plane. So presumably something came up and the other pilot took his place...and was the one who crashed. But if they were co-workers they would know about eachother's wives and details about their personal lives.

So maybe it didn't matter who pilotted the plane, but the plane was somehow preset to go tot the island.

Anything is possible...but remember that the guy knew him because he was also a pilot with Oceanic 815. He said that he was supposed to fly that plane. So presumably something came up and the other pilot took his place...and was the one who crashed. But if they were co-workers they would know about eachother's wives and details about their personal lives.

Here's what I took from that scene...

The chopper pilot (Ladipus?) was "supposed to be flying O 815" and he was also refered to as "a drunk".

It would appear to me that because of him being a drunk, he was fired from Oceanic or at least grounded for some reason. That was probably his route at one time and because of a drinking issue (was it a one time thing or was he truly an alcoholic...don't know) he didn't fly that day.

The fact that he is now running a aquarium store tells me that he lost his job as a pilot and started his own business.

How do "drunks" usually lose their jobs??? Right?

I think the pilot that died was there because Lapidus was drunk and couldn't fly that day. I think he died doing a favor and Lapidus feels guilt. When they show the pilot on the TV, Lapidus starts making noise about it being a lie. The cover-up people need him silenced.

It wouldn't suprise me if one of the mysterious off Island groups plotted to get Frank off that flight and plant a different pilot to take the plane somewhere. Maybe Frank has fallen into depression because he thought a friend/co-worker took his place for the flight and had met a fate meant for him.

I think that Frank's story is going to be very cool!

:cool:

Do we know if the piolot that got pulled out of the cabin of the plane on the island had the same name as the piolot in the ocean? Norris or something?

Guys, this is totally worth noting. People are overlooking the fact that the pilot in the picture on TV was Greg Grunberg (Matt Parkman on Heroes) with a mustache. Again, I have freezed this enough times to be convinced and have screenies below. Can't find him credited in any show credits. At the end of last season of Heroes, there was a cliffhanger of him possibly being dead and I cannot imagine that he would just pose for that picture and not come into a larger role at some point.

I think we can expect to see Officer Parkman on, or off, the island. Maybe in a FB.

Officer Matt Parkman - Heroes (http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/9339/mattparkmanme5.gif)

Married Pilot Seth Norris - Lost (http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/6541/sethnorrishh2.gif)

Well, Greg Grunberg played the pilot in the Pilot episode. There's no guesswork about that. He obviously wasn't credited on screen when the episode aired, but you can clearly find the info here. (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0636289/fullcredits#cast)
So he didn't just pose for the picture in the CD episode, he actually played the pilot three years ago.

ETA: As for the initial thought of this thread - I don't think that the pilot was with the freighter people in any way. Clearly, Lapidus knew him, and he knew him well enough to know that he married his high-school sweetheart at 19 and always wore his wedding ring. But if they were working for the same airline, that could be the explanation as to why he knew that.
I didn't have the impression that any of the freighter people had worked with each other before. They all seemed to be working on their individual things (archaelogical digs, ghostbusting, selling aquariums and ... well, we don't quite know what Daniel did). Maybe they were all working for the same employer, at least Charlotte's previous work seems somehow connected to the DI and the island, but from the flashback with Naomi I got the impression that they had been put together as a team for going to the island, not that they had worked together before.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't we get some info. (in the Lost Experience perhaps?) that Oceanic was a subsidiary of one of the Hanso/Widmore/Paik companies? If so, it would be easy to plant a pilot (Seth) in the company, and replace Lapidus for this specific flight?

Guys, this is totally worth noting. People are overlooking the fact that the pilot in the picture on TV was Greg Grunberg (Matt Parkman on Heroes) with a mustache. Again, I have freezed this enough times to be convinced and have screenies below. Can't find him credited in any show credits. At the end of last season of Heroes, there was a cliffhanger of him possibly being dead and I cannot imagine that he would just pose for that picture and not come into a larger role at some point.

I think we can expect to see Officer Parkman on, or off, the island. Maybe in a FB.

Officer Matt Parkman - Heroes (http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/9339/mattparkmanme5.gif)

Married Pilot Seth Norris - Lost (http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/6541/sethnorrishh2.gif)


I believe he's a friend of one of the writers, Damon perhaps. He was in the second pilot episode as the, well, pilot. This was before Heroes. I think it's a just a callback to that.

Good God I am a moron. Sorry Kerstin, totally slipped probably because he didn't have the mustache in the pilot... did he? Thought they added the 'stache to try to slip it past.

Lol, MatthewAbaddon, name calling is forbidden here, even if you're calling yourself names ;)
It's no problem, that was just one of the things I was absolutely sure about (and trust me, there's not much of that for me on Lost:D). And you're right, he didn't have that mustache during the pilot episode.

I believe he's a friend of one of the writers, Damon perhaps. He was in the second pilot episode as the, well, pilot. This was before Heroes. I think it's a just a callback to that.

He has been a friend of JJ Abrams since childhood and has appeared in many of his projects.

The other possibility is that Frank started drinking after 815 crashed as part of misplaced guilt as not being on it and having Seth die in his place. If Desmond's deduction that 815 crashed because of the magnetic event when he didn't push the button, then it's unlikely Seth was supposed to lead the plane to the island. Frank reporting that the found 815 was a fake probably convinced someone that he needed to be taken care of.

But pilots work for specific airlines. If he didn't work for Oceanic he wouldn't have been booked to fly 815. And when he couldn't for whatever reason another pilot with the airline took over. He told the people on the phone all the stuff he knew about the other pilot...and why it wasn't him at the bottom of the ocean and the guy asked how he had all this information and he said "because I was supposed to fly that plane." That explanation doesn't make sense unless he's saying that he worked with the guy and was supposed to be the pilot on duty...but instead it ended up being him.

What I'm saying is that maybe they didn't know each other from their work with Oceanic, but because they were both planted in Oceanic by whoever wanted the plane to get to the island. Frank was the primary, the other guy, his back up.

I just posted this cap in another thread:

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s285/spatula26/PilotsHand.jpg

The bottom picture is of Grunberg's hand right before Smokey eats his skin and throws him in a tree. Notice anything missing?

See that, but also saw a screenie on another site that clearly shows the ring on his finger when they first find him in the plane in the tree.

Someone else jsut pointed this out to me and I went back to an earlier shot. The ring was there . I am sad.

Am I the only person that noticed that the picture the news channel showed for the Pilot of 815 was the cop from Heroes?
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Guys, this is totally worth noting. People are overlooking the fact that the pilot in the picture on TV was Greg Grunberg (Matt Parkman on Heroes) with a mustache. Again, I have freezed this enough times to be convinced and have screenies below. Can't find him credited in any show credits. At the end of last season of Heroes, there was a cliffhanger of him possibly being dead and I cannot imagine that he would just pose for that picture and not come into a larger role at some point.

I think we can expect to see Officer Parkman on, or off, the island. Maybe in a FB.

Officer Matt Parkman - Heroes (http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/9339/mattparkmanme5.gif)

Married Pilot Seth Norris - Lost (http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/6541/sethnorrishh2.gif)

I was wondering when someone would post this.

Am I the only person that noticed that the picture the news channel showed for the Pilot of 815 was the cop from Heroes?
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I was wondering when someone would post this.

That is just because it is the same actor. There is not connection. Greg Grunberg played the pilot in the Pilot, so it makes sense that his picture is the one on the news. You are reading too much into that. It is simply an actor appearing on two different shows.