...why ask about the Black smoke? Don't get me wrong...I was waiting with bated breath hoping Ben would answer, but it seemed a strange question given the circumstances.

I agree he could've asked a better question. Locke seems obsessed with this "smoke monster" ever since he saw it back in season one. I believe Ben doesn't know what it is, but it doesn't mean he didn't see it before. Juliet saw it before, but didn't know what it was.

No. Not for Locke. He wants to know Everything about the island. Seemed in keeping with his character, to me at least. I was REALLY hoping for answer on that one!

Locke knows what it is. He was testing Ben to see how much the Island has told him.

Actually what irked me more was that when Ben said that they were after him instead of Locke asking WHY? (which the audience is dying to know) he said "how do you know that?" instead :rolleyes: . I can't really blame the writer's for that...I know it bothers some people but they need to kind of dance around those questions to keep the audience in suspense...but at the time I was yelling "ask him WHY WHY WHY!!!!" ;)

Actually what irked me more was that when Ben said that they were after him instead of Locke asking WHY? (which the audience is dying to know) he said "how do you know that?" instead :rolleyes: . I can't really blame the writer's for that...I know it bothers some people but they need to kind of dance around those questions to keep the audience in suspense...but at the time I was yelling "ask him WHY WHY WHY!!!!" ;)

Yeah...that occurred to me too...seems were yelling the same thing at our sets. : ) But then I noticed what time it was and realized we probably weren't going to find that out just yet. : )

Locke knows what it is. He was testing Ben to see how much the Island has told him.


Well, if Locke knows what the smoke monster is, I wish he'd tell us, cause I'm DYING to know. I had to laugh when Locke asked that question. It's certainly one of my burning questions, but I'm not sure it would have been the first question I asked.

Ben = the smoke monster

My guess is Smokey is coming back soon, and thats the writers way of reminding us about it!

Yea, I assume Locke asked that particular question because he does want to know everything about the island. Also, it is important to remember Locke was the first person to actually "see" the black smoke monster, and remember he said he looked into the eye of the island, and what he saw was beautiful. So, to me it makes sense he would want to know why he saw whatever it is he saw, and how it could possibly happen. Just my thoughts, thanks.

My guess is Smokey is coming back soon, and thats the writers way of reminding us about it!

Of course Smokey is coming back soon- he has new visitors. :biggrin:

Mainly, he just wanted to see if Ben would give him a straight answer about something.

It's painful to type when you have no nails . . .

I couldn't believe he asked that question -- it seemed selfish to me that perhaps there were "bigger fish to fry" at that moment.

However, I love the idea that he was testing Ben to see how much about the island he did know. It seems to me that Locke knows what smokey is -- when smokey revealed itself to Locke for the first time Locke said he saw the eye of the island and it was beautiful.

Anyway, plese go vote in my poll. This is one of the choices for most shocking moment of the episode.

Of course Smokey is coming back soon- he has new visitors. :biggrin:

That's right. He needs to scan them.

Though... it appears he didn't get to Juliet for a long time, so maybe he'll wait around with these guys too.

I thought it was a great question, but of course Ben won't answer it.

I kind of thought his question was a shout out to the fans because it is one of the first and longest lasting mysteries of the show. We've been wondering what the monster is from season 1 and we still don't know.

Yea, I assume Locke asked that particular question because he does want to know everything about the island. Also, it is important to remember Locke was the first person to actually "see" the black smoke monster, and remember he said he looked into the eye of the island, and what he saw was beautiful. So, to me it makes sense he would want to know why he saw whatever it is he saw, and how it could possibly happen. Just my thoughts, thanks.

I get that he wants to know everything, but it seemed like when Ben didn't have an answer for him, he was ready to blow him away...it wasn't until Ben started rattling off Charlotte's stats did he back off...is that really the biggest mystery of the island? Sure makes me more curious than ever what he saw when he looked into the eye!!

However, I love the idea that he was testing Ben to see how much about the island he did know. It seems to me that Locke knows what smokey is -- when smokey revealed itself to Locke for the first time Locke said he saw the eye of the island and it was beautiful.

Yes, that definitely seems like it could be the case. Perhaps that's the one thing about the island that Locke feels he understands right now, so he felt it was safe to use that as a probe against Ben.

...why ask about the Black smoke? Don't get me wrong...I was waiting with bated breath hoping Ben would answer, but it seemed a strange question given the circumstances.


I don't know, man. I'm pretty sure that would be my first question. :)

I sort of half saw the question as the writers giving a nod to the viewers. That is obviously the biggest question the viewers have and Ben obviously wasn't going to answer it then and there. It was like the writers were saying, I'm sorry we can't tell you that, but we'll give you small answers here and there when we can. :)

He asked the question b/c that is probably the question the irks the most people (although I think it is mainly the new/casual fans that want that answered, as the rest of us have bigger questions), and since ABC is trying to pull in new people, I think they want the audience to know that these questions are going to be raised and answered. That was definately not what I would have asked and it seemd forced. It seems like Locke would have realized that the :monster:" is a small part of the bigger picture that is the island and all odd shit that happens there.

I believe Locke asked Ben about the smoke monster because he knew Ben wasn't going to answer it. Ben said he had information, but when Locke asked him something he didn't know, he got scared that Locke was really going kill him, so he had to give some real info.
It was all to oblige Ben to open his mouth.

I believe Locke asked Ben about the smoke monster because he knew Ben wasn't going to answer it. Ben said he had information, but when Locke asked him something he didn't know, he got scared that Locke was really going kill him, so he had to give some real info.
It was all to oblige Ben to open his mouth.

That makes alot of sense. I agree! And divulge, he did... with Charlotte's life story and the names of the Boaties. Impressive, actually. Pretty impressive. Although I completely agree, Locke would have better asked "Why" and not "How" but... maybe that question will get asked as early as the beginning of the next episode? I hope so!

I thought it was great. Giving Ben a hard question, that no one will answer, and seeing if he would tell the truth. I really give Locke credit for that one. :)

I couldn't believe he asked that question -- it seemed selfish to me.

Dude, it's LOCKE. There is nothing more crucial than the Island to him and from his viewpoint (and also accepting that he is truly, wonderfully certifiable) it's perfectly understandable. If the ground opened and swallowed Claire and her plastic baaaybee, Locke would give it a glance, think "Well, that's sad" and go back to asking Ben about the monster. (I had to laugh at him telling spunky Claire off re: what if the bullet hit her after he'd shot at Jack the day before and Claire and the baby were only a few feet away... Guess he wasn't worried about stray bullets then.)

He's not testing Ben, he's desperate to find out if what he interprets from the signs he's getting from the Island is true. He saw Smokey and interpreted as something beautiful, the force that gave him the use of his legs back just a few days before. It doesn't mean he actually knows what it is and what it does. I've been trying to point this out for a while cause I'm not one to follow Locke cause he "knows" stuff.

Locke should have asked, "When are the writers coming back?" :biggrin:

Seriously, Locke knows what the smoke monster is. He was testing Ben. That's why when Ben didn't know Locke felt Ben was not longer useful to him. Locke was prepared to kill him then.

I would have asked why are we on this island and don't say the plane crashed?

...why ask about the Black smoke? Don't get me wrong...I was waiting with bated breath hoping Ben would answer, but it seemed a strange question given the circumstances.

jonboy beat me, but it seems to me that Locke views Smokey and the Island as one. After all, me and my eye are one. And Locke really hasn't been introduced to any of the Island's other body parts, except maybe it's brain (Jacob) :biggrin:

Locke knows what it is. He was testing Ben to see how much the Island has told him.

Hmm, I'm not so sure...maybe Locke knows a bunch, maybe he doesn't know much at all. TPTB sure have amped the mystery around Locke's character...

Ben = the smoke monster

:rotflmao2: That'd be tooooo much

Yea, I assume Locke asked that particular question because he does want to know everything about the island. Also, it is important to remember Locke was the first person to actually "see" the black smoke monster, and remember he said he looked into the eye of the island, and what he saw was beautiful. So, to me it makes sense he would want to know why he saw whatever it is he saw, and how it could possibly happen. Just my thoughts, thanks.

my thoughts too

I believe Locke asked Ben about the smoke monster because he knew Ben wasn't going to answer it. Ben said he had information, but when Locke asked him something he didn't know, he got scared that Locke was really going kill him, so he had to give some real info.
It was all to oblige Ben to open his mouth.

One of the greatest things Locke's character presents is the emotion in each scene. It was hard to tell if he was being forceful with Ben, in a power display, to reach the end you describe. I could believe Locke has evolved into controlling himself this way to get what he wants from different situations. re: The bullet line to Claire.

But, I took it as another moment of desperation for Locke. I am still of the impression that, while he is learning more, Locke still needs to connect the dots so to speak, and he wants to do this yesterday. In this situation, he thought he was going to get an answer. It looked like a genuine question to me...

...why ask about the Black smoke? Don't get me wrong...I was waiting with bated breath hoping Ben would answer, but it seemed a strange question given the circumstances.I'm with you about that question. Out of all the mysteries the island holds black smoke monster isn't high on my list of priorities and let's be honest it can't be all that high on Locke's either!!

My last thought of the night on any subject-

It hit me a few minutes ago that Locke has never killed anyone. If anyone were to know this and could exploit it, it would be Ben. Ben knows he couldn't kill Cooper (really don't think Locke fooled him with that). Ben probably knows he couldn't kill Eddie, when put up to it. And he saw that he couldn't shoot Jack. So why in the world would Ben suddenly be afraid that Locke would kill him? Did Locke seem serious? Yeah... but he's been studying under Ben for a while now.

I noticed Smokies familiar sound in this episode. When the Losties were bringing Naomi's body to the copter. It was in the background for a good 15-30 seconds....so he was keeping an "eye" on things..... ;)

Alright guys...the smoke monster is a security system, like we learned in season one (I'm evil, aren't I?). The REAL question is...who does the cow belong to?

My last thought of the night on any subject-

It hit me a few minutes ago that Locke has never killed anyone. If anyone were to know this and could exploit it, it would be Ben. Ben knows he couldn't kill Cooper (really don't think Locke fooled him with that). Ben probably knows he couldn't kill Eddie, when put up to it. And he saw that he couldn't shoot Jack. So why in the world would Ben suddenly be afraid that Locke would kill him? Did Locke seem serious? Yeah... but he's been studying under Ben for a while now.

Locke killed Naomi, so I do think he's capable of killing.

Regarding the question of this thread, here's my theory: I think Smokey is the result of true island mojo mixed with new technology. One of the many ways that science has screwed with the island. Perhaps the result of one of Dharma's incidents. If so, then it's probably one of the things Locke doesn't fully understand about the island yet.

He gets Jacob, he gets Walt, he gets the weather, but Smokey is still a mystery because the first time he saw it, it was beautiful; the second time... not too friendly. If Smokey is not completely "of the island", but some sort of Frankenstein creation resulting from the unchecked experimentation going on, then it is possible that Locke can't fully understand it.

My guess is Smokey is coming back soon, and thats the writers way of reminding us about it!

I agree, I think it was to put Smokey in the forefront of our minds again.

Alright guys...the smoke monster is a security system, like we learned in season one (I'm evil, aren't I?). The REAL question is...who does the cow belong to?

I accept that it's a security system. I'd of course like to know more though, same as anyone besides Locke. I think Locke knows better than anyone what it is, though, furthering the idea that he was testing Ben in order to get real information.

The cow belongs to Mikhail. =P You think a little grenade can change that? I bet Patchy's Beef Products have relocated to the grassy hills post explosion of Flame station.

I thought it was a great question, but of course Ben won't answer it.

I kind of thought his question was a shout out to the fans because it is one of the first and longest lasting mysteries of the show. We've been wondering what the monster is from season 1 and we still don't know.

Some of you might not know but I believe that smokey is karma incarnate. JUDGEMENT.

What goes around comes around.

The cow was Bakhunin's, (remember Enter 77?)

Maybe: If he just knew what the smoke monster was, then everything else would make more sense to him, and pieces might fall into place. It really is THE question, apart from "what is the island?" Maybe he figured he'd go for the gold and ask a really TOUGH question.

I think the black smoke might be outside of everything else that's going on - Ben doesn't even know what it is (I think he's being honest here), there is no explanation for it, never will be.

First off I believe Ben knows exactly what the smoke monster is but would rather die than tell.

I would have asked this: What exactly are you and you people doing here?

Edited to add: Or... what is the final result you are hoping to achieve Mr. Linus?

Claudia815;
Dude, it's LOCKE. There is nothing more crucial than the Island to him and from his viewpoint (and also accepting that he is truly, wonderfully certifiable) it's perfectly understandable. If the ground opened and swallowed Claire and her plastic baaaybee, Locke would give it a glance, think "Well, that's sad" and go back to asking Ben about the monster.


golf_fan;
Hmm, I'm not so sure...maybe Locke knows a bunch, maybe he doesn't know much at all. TPTB sure have amped the mystery around Locke's character...

You guys are right on... this is totally Locke. He is still on his own mission. I'm not convinced he knows a whole lot (besides the weather)... or at least what he does know is piece meal. Remeber his quest with the button - he seemed to know a lot then and really didn't know a whole lot of anything. His entire character on the island has been conviction - when he has an idea of what he needs to do, he's on the case with fierce loyalty and decisive action. If that idea changes course, he follows it with gusto.

The major thing that struck me as Locke asked about the "monster" (or than the fact that he asked the question!) is that he described it as black smoke. When he talked with Eko before he died, Locke said he saw a bright light. Eko said he saw something different. So, either Locke believes that the "monster" can change appearance between light and dark, he used a good deal of metaphor when describing to Eko what he saw, or he believes there are two monsters and didn't choose to reveal that when asking the question.

Other than that, it seemed like a strange question for Locke to ask, not only for the timing but the type of question. He's not usually so overt with what type of information he's after, and he often acts very cryptic around the other losties. So maybe it was just a nod to us.

Anyone else think it odd that Locke comes right out and tells Sawyer that Walt was who appeared to him, and didn't at least entertain the idea that it was Jacob instead? Or the bit of info about the cabin? I'd think he'd want to keep that one close to the vest. So many questions to answer...

I believe Locke asked Ben about the smoke monster because he knew Ben wasn't going to answer it. Ben said he had information, but when Locke asked him something he didn't know, he got scared that Locke was really going kill him, so he had to give some real info.
It was all to oblige Ben to open his mouth.


Here's a thought I just had: I'm thinking now that perhaps John was asking Ben so he could "compare notes," so to speak, in order to guage what Ben felt he knew about the smoke monster, much as John did at Jacob's cabin when he was no doubt surprised that Ben ask him what he had heard Jacob say. I think it was also supposed to be only a prelimary question, as in, Ben would be his answers-b*tch from here on in.
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Locke killed Naomi, so I do think he's capable of killing.

Regarding the question of this thread, here's my theory: I think Smokey is the result of true island mojo mixed with new technology. One of the many ways that science has screwed with the island. Perhaps the result of one of Dharma's incidents. If so, then it's probably one of the things Locke doesn't fully understand about the island yet.

He gets Jacob, he gets Walt, he gets the weather, but Smokey is still a mystery because the first time he saw it, it was beautiful; the second time... not too friendly. If Smokey is not completely "of the island", but some sort of Frankenstein creation resulting from the unchecked experimentation going on, then it is possible that Locke can't fully understand it.

Heh, i second that!

Just before question time... did you notice the look of amazement on Ben's face when Hurley said something to the affect... "the cabin is in that direction" Made Ben kind of freaky did it not?

I thought it was just some kind of joke from the writers. I'm sure that if any Lost fan is asked of one question they would like to be answered, many would say "what the --- is the monster?!"...It has been the subjects of hundred threads!

I would want to ask Charlie's question from season 1: Where are we?

Well, if Locke knows what the smoke monster is, I wish he'd tell us, cause I'm DYING to know. I had to laugh when Locke asked that question. It's certainly one of my burning questions, but I'm not sure it would have been the first question I asked.

I thought it was a good question to ask. He has had numerous conversations with Ben when they had him prisoner and when he broke into his house. He also hung out with the others, he saw Jacob's house, I thought he touch on so many other areas it was a good question to ask. What were some of the questions you guys would have asked instead?

but he called it the monster. does Locke really think of it as a monster? earlier he thought it was the most beautiful thing in the world...

but he called it the monster. does Locke really think of it as a monster? earlier he thought it was the most beautiful thing in the world...

Perhaps he was just using terminology all of his people viewed it as. If he said that beautiful cloud of smoke his crew would have thought he went wacky

but he called it the monster. does Locke really think of it as a monster? earlier he thought it was the most beautiful thing in the world...

Locke asked Eko what he saw in the jungle, that he once saw a very bright, beautiful light. Eko replied, "That is not what I saw." I don't think that in Locke's mind they are the same thing.

Locke asked Eko what he saw in the jungle, that he once saw a very bright, beautiful light. Eko replied, "That is not what I saw." I don't think that in Locke's mind they are the same thing.

Good Point, I still remember that scene when Eko stared down the Smoke, great freakin moment.

I thought it was a good question to ask. He has had numerous conversations with Ben when they had him prisoner and when he broke into his house. He also hung out with the others, he saw Jacob's house, I thought he touch on so many other areas it was a good question to ask. What were some of the questions you guys would have asked instead?

I know, I know... I am DYING to know what "one snowman says to the other snowman" :biggrin: (Really, I am, almost as much as I want to know what Smokey is)

Locke asked Eko what he saw in the jungle, that he once saw a very bright, beautiful light. Eko replied, "That is not what I saw." I don't think that in Locke's mind they are the same thing.

Maybe Smokey showed Locke the "light" of the Island. We know it showed Eko memories of a past not so beloved... But, both shown through/ by Smokey.

I know, I know... I am DYING to know what "one snowman says to the other snowman"

"Do you smell carrots?" is the most popular answer :)
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Actually, I just thought of an even better question he could have asked: What the --- is all the whispering in the jungle about? Then I got to thinking - has Locke ever been around when there was whispering? I can't think of an instance where he was explicity around when someone could hear the whispering, so is he even aware of it? There was whispering when Hurley ran into the cabin, but none when Locke was brought there by Ben.
Curiouser and curiouser...

Save the blonde Australian with the illegitimate child, save the world!

Funny truly lol :)

I had to drop by this thread to sport this fabulous avatar by mysticxf. :biggrin:

You guys are right on... this is totally Locke. He is still on his own mission. I'm not convinced he knows a whole lot (besides the weather)... or at least what he does know is piece meal. Remeber his quest with the button - he seemed to know a lot then and really didn't know a whole lot of anything. His entire character on the island has been conviction - when he has an idea of what he needs to do, he's on the case with fierce loyalty and decisive action. If that idea changes course, he follows it with gusto.

Exactly. He's a follower, and has been searching for signs that he believes The Island sends him, one after another - the hatch, the button, Jacob.
I would have asked Ben what the island's special power comes from. "What is the monster?" seems secondary.

Locke asked this question beucase he is the smoke monster. Ben killed Locke when he shot him. Now, smokie is manifesting himself as Locke to everybody, and taking them to see Jacob.... and possibly taller ghost walt.

Exactly. He's a follower, and has been searching for signs that he believes The Island sends him, one after another - the hatch, the button, Jacob.
I would have asked Ben what the island's special power comes from. "What is the monster?" seems secondary.

I don't think Ben could answer where the Island's power came from because if he could he would have never have gotten sick. I think Locke believes the smoke holds the key and wants to know more about it. I liked the question.

Locke asked this question beucase he is the smoke monster. Ben killed Locke when he shot him. Now, smokie is manifesting himself as Locke to everybody, and taking them to see Jacob.... and possibly taller ghost walt.

Locke the Smoke Monster I love it and when scrambling around to find answers I didn't even consider that. That would be a hell of a twist!

Ben = the smoke monster

Now that's funny! I doubt this is the case, but it did get me thinking of a few things. I believe that Ben is being honest about not knowing what it is. After all, aren't we assuming it was Smokey that showed himself to young Ben as his mother?! And when he went out to look for her, he finds Richard....hmmm

Maybe Richard = Smokey... or maybe at least Richard knows what it is and/or has some control of it...?

How about a Smokey flashback epi?

Or a Locke on island flashback epi so we can all see what he saw when he looked into the eye of the island...

I thought this was less a question that Locke would ask at a time like that than a nod to the viewers. This stuff has got to stop. It really takes me out of the show. They even had Locke throw in that he was taking orders from Walt, only "taller."

The only reason why I think he would ask what the monster is is because he already knows the answer and wants to see what Ben says. Why make a big point about Locke meeting the monster in Walkabout and seeming to have some kind of communion with it if he doesn't know anything about it?

I can't believe some of you think the nature of the Smoke Monster is 'secondary' or is an answer that doesn't need to be addressed above some others. To me it is what made this show turn from a very good character-based drama to a 'What the Hell is the Island 'show.
Probably ALL the mystical and/or 'scientific' answers WILL be associated with Cerberus' nature. It might be even a lot more important to the overall story than some of you might believe.
By answering WHAT it is, we might be given half the answers to the show, or getting a not so 'blurry' picture of what the island is.

Really, I can't believe some of you seem not to want to know what the black cloud of smoke is!!!!!





I thought this was less a question that Locke would ask at a time like that than a nod to the viewers. This stuff has got to stop. It really takes me out of the show. They even had Locke throw in that he was taking orders from Walt, only "taller."

That was, very probable, another nod to the viewers. But not only to the show viewers, but to Twin Peaks viewers.
Just read this, please....


The Giant is a character (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictional_character) from the television series Twin Peaks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_Peaks), created by David Lynch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lynch) and Mark Frost (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Frost).
The Giant (played by Carel Struycken (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carel_Struycken)) appears to FBI agent Dale Cooper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dale_Cooper) in visions, first right after Cooper has been shot in his bedroom. The Giant gives Cooper clues about the murder of Laura Palmer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Palmer) and actually confirms the identity of the murderer during a vision in the Roadhouse. Later on, he also warns Cooper that his love-interest Annie Blackburn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie_Blackburn) should not enter the Miss Twin Peaks pageant (her winning the contest is a key element leading to Cooper's entering the Black Lodge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Lodge) and subsequently his downfall).
The giant apparently inhabits an elderly Room Service Waiter of the Great Northern Hotel (played by Hank Worden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hank_Worden), who is almost always seen just before the Giant appears. Also the Giant wears a similar outfit to the Waiter. In the final episode, when Cooper has entered the Black Lodge, both the Waiter and the Giant appear and the Giant confirms their identity, stating: "one and the same"
Though the Giant's actions are benevolent throughout, he seems to be part of the evil Black Lodge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Lodge), as he appears alongside of the Man from Another Place (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_from_Another_Place) in the Lodge's waiting room. However, some have opined that the waiting room actually is a neutral location between the Black and the White Lodge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Lodge_%28Twin_Peaks%29)[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]. In his first appearance, the Giant refused Cooper's question of his whereabouts.

I was bored last night, and so I rewatched the pilot episode (again!), and I came away from that viewing asking the same thing I always ask when I watch it.... What the hell is that monster! The noise and smashing of trees was just too much. So I'm right there with Locke.

I don't have a problem with Locke asking that question.

I don't think he knows what smokey is, I think he genuinely wanted an answer.

I could see it being a nod to the viewers, but there are many many questions he could ask that would be "nods to the viewers." Something about the Dharma Initiative, the hatches, the Black Rock, Jacob, why Desmond's boat couldn't get away from the island, etc etc. - any of the unanswered mysteries.

But here's the main reason I don't have a problem with the question Locke asked - he probably didn't think he was going to ask just one question. Ben didn't say "You can ask me one and only one question, so make it a good one". He said "I have answers", so Locke asked the first thing that came to mind. It could have been a sort of test, in that if Ben didn't have an answer, Locke would kill him. But if there was an answer, Locke figured he'd ask another question, and another, and another.... So I don't think you can't fault Locke for asking that particular question.

I think Locke was testing Ben. Ben was claiming that he shouldn't be turned over because he would be useful to the Losties as a prisoner and had information. So Locke tested to see how willing Ben really was to give up information.

Ben was probably expecting a question like "Why do they want you" or "Who are they" or "Who is Jacob" and had a lie prepared. So Locke came up with a question for which Ben was likely unprepared to see how he would react.

"What's the monster?"

Ben was clearly unprepared for that questions. For the time ever in this show, he stammered, delayed answering and than said "I don't know".

Now I don't know if Ben is lying about not knowing what the monster is or not. I don't know if Locke already knows what the monster is or not. But I think that Locke knows that Ben is full of crap when he says he's going to be cooperative.

Ben = the smoke monsterJacob = Ben = the smoke monster :cool:

Well...think about it this way...Ben and the Smoke monster share the same trait: They both seem to know a heck of a lot more than they should about our Losties.


jonboy beat me, but it seems to me that Locke views Smokey and the Island as one. After all, me and my eye are one. And Locke really hasn't been introduced to any of the Island's other body parts, except maybe it's brain (Jacob) :biggrin:



Hmm, I'm not so sure...maybe Locke knows a bunch, maybe he doesn't know much at all. TPTB sure have amped the mystery around Locke's character...



:rotflmao2: That'd be tooooo much



my thoughts too



One of the greatest things Locke's character presents is the emotion in each scene. It was hard to tell if he was being forceful with Ben, in a power display, to reach the end you describe. I could believe Locke has evolved into controlling himself this way to get what he wants from different situations. re: The bullet line to Claire.

But, I took it as another moment of desperation for Locke. I am still of the impression that, while he is learning more, Locke still needs to connect the dots so to speak, and he wants to do this yesterday. In this situation, he thought he was going to get an answer. It looked like a genuine question to me...