What was it for you? Please vote.

I voted for the polar bear -- MIND-BLOWING!!!

I also found it unbelievable that Locke didn't know what smokey was.

Care to add a poll to this? It might make keeping track of voting easier.

The polar bear, because I really don't want time travel to be answer to this show but it's starting to seem more likely.

I was shocked by the polar bear/Dharma tag find in the desert :eek2: but I was blown away by seeing Matthew Abaddon and Naomi planning the insurgency!!!!!!!! I had all my Abbadon eggs in the "he's the key to getting back to the Island" basket! :jawdrop:

Certainly the polar bear. This opens up SO many questions/possibilities about time/location/you name it.

I wouldn't be surprised if that little scene ends up being quite important in the grand scheme of things.

For me it was Locke's man on the boat. The man never ceases to amaze me with his deviousness... he's always one step ahead of everything.

I don't necessarily believe that he doesn't know what smokey is though, that could have been a lie.

ETA: the poll really had me cracking up with all the WHAT?!'s lol!

Ben's man on the boat. I was literally on the edge of my seat trying to figure out how Ben was gonna talk himself out of getting shot and then he threw that out there. Wow.

Definately Ben's revelations. Geesh, that man has resources we never even imagined!

Mine wasn't up there - the fact that the freighty bunch are on the island looking for Ben.

For me the most shocking moment was the format of this episode! So may new characters! Tons of new info! A flashback from a dead character??? A person who talks to the dead? (Are you freakin' kidding me???)

If I had to pick one moment it would be the revelation that Ben knew all along who Charlotte was, etc.

For me it was Locke's man on the boat. The man never ceases to amaze me with his deviousness... he's always one step ahead of everything.

I don't necessarily believe that he doesn't know what smokey is though, that could have been a lie.

ETA: the poll really had me cracking up with all the WHAT?!'s lol!

Kate, don't you mean Ben??! :biggrin: I don't believe he doesn't know what Smokey is either so we're in good company.

Mine wasn't up there - the fact that the freighty bunch are on the island looking for Ben.

There probably could have been ten choices! :biggrin:

For instance I was shocked that Juliet and Sayid shot at the freighties -- I literally though Jack was pulling a Tom Bluff.

I think the Polar Bear being in the Tunisian desert may have something to do with the (don't know if this is considered spoiler or not, so just in case)The Orchid station from that new Orientation Video.

I was shocked, but upon reflection, not entirely surprised Ben claimed to have somone on the boat. I think the polar bear/Dharma logo was a bigger shock! Locke might have seen Smokey, but that certainly doesn't mean he knows what it is.

The biggest shock, I think, is that ghosts are actually involved! I've suspected for some time but its cool to have that brought to life.

The biggest shock, I think, is that ghosts are actually involved! I've suspected for some time but its cool to have that brought to life.

For some time now I've believed that the whispers are the commentary from the dead, such as Ben's mom, as they witness the events unfold.

I'm currently reading Faust by Goethe and in it there are occasional disembodied "murmurs" commenting on the action.

I was shocked that Ben had someone on the boat. How the heck is communicating with the outside world? Charlie's death was all about unblocking a signal that kept the islanders from communicating with the outside world.

While most of them were shocking. The only one that made my jaw drop and give me goosebumps was Charlotte finding the Polar bear remains with the Hydra logo.

I was spoiled and/or guessed most of them, but I guess the polar bear would be it.

Of course Locke doesn't KNOW anything concrete about the Island, aside from the fact that it healed him. He interprets these vague signs the Island gives him. When he saw Smokey and said it was "beautiful" (I assume that's what he meant by "the eye of the Island"... Smokey), I figured he saw flashes of his life, like Mr.Eko. Of course he'd be astounded and convinced this was his destinty calling. Locke doesn't know stuff, or else he wouldn't be begging Ben for info.

Abaddon didn't surprise me either because I was shocked last week that Hurley and Jack were keeping a secret from him, not because of him.

Defintely the polar bear. How long did she say the bear had been there for?

Defintely the polar bear. How long did she say the bear had been there for?

I don't remember if she even did. I don't think so. But I was a little distracted when that scene came up. I am planning on watching it again tomorrow.

for me it was the polar bear

A lot of surprises and they were all great, but Ben having a man on the freighter. MAN! Ben's like the Dark Lord Sith. Everything is going according to his plan as he has forseen.

The cow. Specifically, its bell.

I have felt that there may have been a cow bell on the island, somewhere.

Now we need more.

I was shocked by the polar bear/Dharma tag find in the desert :eek2: but I was blown away by seeing Matthew Abaddon and Naomi planning the insurgency!!!!!!!! I had all my Abbadon eggs in the "he's the key to getting back to the Island" basket!
He still is but it won't be pleasant.

The cow. Specifically, its bell.

I have felt that there may have been a cow bell on the island, somewhere.

Now we need more.


Does that mean Christopher Walken is Jacob? :biggrin:

So, Jacob makes gold records?

It was the Sixth Sense turn of events for me.

I thought the polar bear and Dharma logo were definitely the most-shocking. I was like WWWHHHHHAAATTTTTT????!!!!!!!! when that happened. All the others were definitely shock-worthy but that takes the cake.

I also thought the confronting of the supernatural possibly being an element now was shocking and very cool.

lamest moment was the ghostbuster
100%
I also thought the confronting of the supernatural possibly being an element now was shocking and very cool.

That has me extremely disappointed. The Supernatural is the unexplained, the unexplained is not answering questions, it's basically writting it off as "we'll never know"

Shocking Moments:

1. The Polar Bear find (bones) in the desert? (Didn't see that coming.. been so long seeing a polar bear.. so thats where they went off to.. LOL must have escaped, and couldn't survive, or Dharma must have been doing research out there long ago on polar bears?)

2. Matthew Abaddon and Naomi planning the rescue attempt. (I knew he was up to something.. but didn't think he was planning things with Naomi. Saying that there's no survivors? LOL Calling the team 'Ghostbusters'.. makes you wonder more about the island..)

3. Miles visit with some ghostly kid (in his flashback) Was strange seeing him take out some noise machine.. reminded me of the island noises? A little..

4. Ben telling Locke that the rescue team is actually rescuing just him. (Didn't think that was coming.. for him to admit to these things. I was shocked by him and by the freighters too! But, of course Ben is a part of Dharma.. so it wasn't too shocking)

5. Watching the freighters leaving the helicopter. (You can somewhat hear and see the force of the island's electromagnetic field. That was the first from above.)

I voted for the polar bear skeleton and the Dharma logo, i was like wtf!?!

It was definitely the polar bear in the African desert for me!

I was most shocked by the polar bear/darma collar in tunisia! Is it Mikhail on the freighter, that guy is everywhere somehow

I guess for the people who didn't follow Find 815 it was the beginning.
But anyway, my vote goes to the collar.

4. Ben telling Locke that the rescue team is actually rescuing just him. (Didn't think that was coming.. for him to admit to these things. I was shocked by him and by the freighters too! But, of course Ben is a part of Dharma.. so it wasn't too shocking)



Something tells me they're NOT there to rescue him. LOL :)

Because of spoilers the only thing I had not really heard about was the Abaddon setting up Naomi's team or I didn't remember it.It made me rethink who he may have been talking about when he asked Hurley if they were really alive. Was it the losties or his team he was referring to. Or with their focus on getting Ben maybe it was the others he was referring to. Was even re-emphasized when he kept insisting that the losties were dead to Naomi.

For me, it was the fact Lapidus was supposed to the be pilot of 815! That came completely out of nowhere.

I don't know why the polar bear would be so shocking. How does a polar bear live on the island? Anyway that wasn't shocking to me. I guess the best moment was when Ben said he had one of their men. Although even that wasn't shocking. With Ben you never know what he is going to do or say.

The polar bear, because I really don't want time travel to be answer to this show but it's starting to seem more likely.

A polar bear skeleton in Tunisia does not require time travel.

It requires polar bear travel. Which is a perfectly natural and believable scenario involving a cage and either a boat or an aircraft.

Think Occam.

Something tells me they're NOT there to rescue him. LOL :)

Thats what I'm saying. Ben said he had a man on thier ship. Which implies infiltration.

Ben and his man on the boat.
Our most favourite bug-eyed manipulator is always good for a surprise. And I'm saying that as a compliment, because I love Ben to bits...:D

Ben's man on the boat was most shocking to me.

Things are looking BLEAK for ol' Ben but I'm hoping they don't kill him off becasue he's such a great villain.

Ben having a man on the boat was a shocking finale. Charlotte finding a polar bear skeleton in desert seemed surprising till she looked as if she was expecting to find it in there.

Who says Locke doesn't know what smokey is?
Maybe he only asked Ben to put him in a difficult position.

Well nothing on this show really shocks me anymore...but the polar bear in the desert was certainly the most perplexing moment. I mean...wtf? Did Dharma have an operation going in Tunisia or something?

A polar bear skeleton in Tunisia does not require time travel.

It requires polar bear travel. Which is a perfectly natural and believable scenario involving a cage and either a boat or an aircraft.

Think Occam.

But didn't they say the bones had been there for a very long time?

I voted for Ben has a man on the boat. I was like what? How did he do that? Ben is just so sneaky.

Polar bear. Could lead to so many things.

I didn't think Locke knew what the black smoke was. Back in season 2 when he's talking to Kate he says "we were chased by what appeared to be a column of black smoke. Did you see it?"
The Dharma polar bear skeleton in Tunisia, though...that was mind-boggling.

Out of the choices I have to say the Polar Bear but I picked Abaddon selecting the team to go on the trip!! I really want to know what happened now since he went and visited Hurley in the future forwards.

BEn has a man on the boat -- didnt see that one coming, as sneaky & wise as Ben is. that puts him into a whole another level.
i think :heartben: now. hahah

Who says Locke doesn't know what smokey is?
Maybe he only asked Ben to put him in a difficult position.

Initially when I made the poll I was still shocked by Locke asking that question because I know he knows what smokey is. Then I read some posts about it on here and people were suggesting that it was a test by Locke to see if he could get a true answer out of Ben. That makes perfect sense and Ben copped out by saying that he didn't know. (NOT sure I believe that.)

Clearly Ben's announcement that he has a man on their boat.

WTH BEN!
You sneaky Other you!

Am I the only one who for some reason did not find the polar bear in Tunisia shocking at all? I mean, when I heard Charlotte say "Ursus Maritimus" I was kind of expecting to find a Dharma symbol nearby.

I voted Ben having a man on the boat. A nice end of episode. The shocking element, to me, is not the fact per se, but the implications -- how has this man been communicating with Ben? Since when did Ben know about the people who were after him? When and how was Ben's man planted on the freighter? And so on.

Cheers
Rick

Am I the only one who for some reason did not find the polar bear in Tunisia shocking at all? I mean, when I heard Charlotte say "Ursus Maritimus" I was kind of expecting to find a Dharma symbol nearby.

No, you're not the only one. I wasn't all that shocked either. I kind of saw it coming. Not a polar bear per se, but something that was meant to be a "wtf?" moment.

I voted Ben having a man on the boat. A nice end of episode. The shocking element, to me, is not the fact per se, but the implications -- how has this man been communicating with Ben? Since when did Ben know about the people who were after him? When and how was Ben's man planted on the freighter? And so on.

Cheers
Rick

I'm not even sure that shocked me. How do we know he's even telling the truth? He is, after all, known for his ability to play mind games.

Naomi's meeting was the most interesting wrench for me.

I had a hard time choosing a most shocking (except for the one with Locke not knowing what the smoke monster was), but I went with: Abaddon arranged Naomi's team! WHAT?!

I am fascinated with this guy and his affiliation with the island. I can't wait to find out what this guy's deal is. As a side note, I must applaud whoever cast the actor that plays Abaddon. He is great in that role.

I'm not even sure that shocked me. How do we know he's even telling the truth? He is, after all, known for his ability to play mind games.

Ah, that's true. Anyway, the information on Charlotte Lewis he provided (machine-gun style, I might add) was nonetheless impressive.

Cheers,
Rick

The most shocking moment for me was when Charlotte was shot by Ben.

There were many jolts. Abbadon as Naomi's boss was a big twist. I also think one of the key moments was not when Ben shot Charlotte, but when we discovered she was wearing a bullet proof vest. None of the other freighties were. Why? Which gives credence to another theory that I heard, that Ben does have a mole: Charlotte.

And that NO ONE else besides Ben noticed her gun? Come on.

Which gives credence to another theory that I heard, that Ben does have a mole: Charlotte.
Interesting theory. What are the reasons why you think this? Why would Ben shoot his own mole?

Polar bear, hands down :D

Interesting theory. What are the reasons why you think this? Why would Ben shoot his own mole?

More mind games. Ben has told the group the freighties are there to kill them. By taking an opportunity to shoot Charlotte, he brings home that point. But he knows she has a vest, so she won't be hurt. I don't think he was going to reveal the info he knew until he was forced to at gunpoint. The new Jacob/Walt/island-backed steady Locke was really going to kill him. Ben's hand was forced. As for Charlotte:

At the Tunisian dig, Charlotte was quite pleased to see the polar bear skeleton and immediately began digging for the collar. There was no care in how she dug for it; she knew it was there. She smiled when she saw the Dharma Hydra station logo. There was no puzzlement or astonishment like the rest of us would have ("a polar bear in Tunisia-- WTF!")

She was thrilled when she came up from the water after releasing her parachute. She was joyous, as if to say "finally, I'm here!"

She was taken prisoner but didn't try to hide her gun--thus allowing Ben access. He was right behind her. And she had a bulletproof vest. She's a cultural anthropologist. If anyone would have worn a jacket, I would have figured Miles (or the now deceased Naomi). But that would have suspicious.

She knows something about the island; when asking Claire about her baby, she was thrilled to hear that Aaron was born on island.

She did look awfully surprised and a bit frightened when Ben revealed his info on her and the others. That makes me wonder. But then that could have been in reaction to Ben spilling the beans.

All I know is this is why I love this show. Like one continuous philosophy class.

The Polar Bear in the African desert was the biggest surprise for me, on par with the 4 toed statue.

When Locke described the monster before he said it was a bright blinding light. I wouldn't call it smokey if it was a bright light.
Perhaps he was just lying about it because he knew there was no point of getting into the conversation.

Polar bear, even more so the Dharma collar for the bear. So that's twice polar bears are way out of they're normal locations. Somethings awry. Who was it that initially started that excavation in the desert?

The polar bear supports the time-space continum theory. But Ben became more powerful with having a "man on the boat" Shouldn't have but shocked me. No wonder they want him.

There were many jolts. Abbadon as Naomi's boss was a big twist. I also think one of the key moments was not when Ben shot Charlotte, but when we discovered she was wearing a bullet proof vest. None of the other freighties were. Why? Which gives credence to another theory that I heard, that Ben does have a mole: Charlotte.

And that NO ONE else besides Ben noticed her gun? Come on.

I have my suspicions about who Ben's man is and it isn't Charlotte or Regi9na as some have speculated -- it will be another WTF moment if I'm right.

She was taken prisoner but didn't try to hide her gun--thus allowing Ben access. He was right behind her.

Not 100% sure, but I thought he shot her with Karl's gun...

Ben shooting her was the most shocking moment for me though...

Not 100% sure, but I thought he shot her with Karl's gun...

Ben shooting her was the most shocking moment for me though...

I wasn't shokced by that moment becasue I thought it was pretty clear that Ben would make a play for Carl's gun.

I wasn't all that shocked by the bear. We already have reason to believe that DARMA was experimenting with both time travel and polar bears. It was very interesting, but I wouldn't say shocking.

The biggest shock for me, or I should say unsettling moment, for me, was the unexpected reaction to Juliette revealing her name, and their realization that she wasn't on the plane.

The end was a good cliffhanger but the Dharma polar bear in Tunisia was the biggest wow factor in the episode.

The polar bear supports the time-space continum theory. But Ben became more powerful with having a "man on the boat" Shouldn't have but shocked me. No wonder they want him.

Mylost whats your reasoning for the time space thing with the polar bear, I thought it was more of a Dharma is everywhere sort of hint.

C'mon peeps, keep voting!

I knows there's more than 307 shocked LOST fans out there! :)

Abbadon's involvement, via Oceanic, is what I think we need to watch for over the long term.

A polar bear skeleton in Tunisia does not require time travel.

It requires polar bear travel. Which is a perfectly natural and believable scenario involving a cage and either a boat or an aircraft.

Think Occam.


For the polar bear to be at that level of decomposition, however, and buried deep enough to require a dig (I don't immediately recall the depth Charlotte was at, meaning if she had to go into a pit to review the remains), some sort of time issue almost has to be involved.

I'm spoiler fonting this next part for anyone who hasn't seen the additional station video from the offseason on abc.com:


I think it would be really cool if, like in The Orchid video, that they were in some way duplicating and teleporting these animals, but may not have even been aware at first that they were doing it. Meaning, I wonder if any of the Dharma scientists, if they were still around, would be surprised to learn that one of their polar bears ended up in Tunisia. :) Although, the teleportation part isn't necessarily something I believe, as my first thought when I saw The Orchid video, specifically the segment where Marvin Candle seemed very determined to keep the 2 identical rabbits separated, was the time travel concept from Time Cop (and I can't believe I'm referencing a Van Damme movie). That is that the same matter cannot occupy the same space. The villain at the end of the movie ends up touching his double from the future and they melt together in some kind of made up time/space paradoxical consequence, hence Candle doesn't want the rabbits to touch, as to not unravel space and time. :) Wow did I go off on a rant. Sorry.