The photos on the wall didn't seem familiar? I'm curious who it might be, and what his gadget is.

Although this does not make sense, it almost looked like Eko as a young boy. And I don't know if it is coincidence or not that behind the bookcase there was heroin.

I think the gadget was just for show. I don't think he really needed it.

Yep it did look like heroin to me too. I dont think it was Eko tho, didnt look like where he grew up. I figure they showed it to show off Miles skills, after all he didnt really do anything for that lady, but he did find his stash and cash!

I feel confident it was Eko. Looked like him as a young boy, and I bet this was a flash backward, b/c he "went missing" before the Losties. Also, Locke probably was in the village we saw him in previous seasons and then was adopted or fx moved to US, and only had old pics. Just a thought....

They seemed to focus on the picture, like it was important.

Dont tell me its future Walt...

It wasn't Eko's brother, was it? I mean I know we all have a history of trying to fit every african american person on the show together, but i feel like its someone we must have seen before.

I thought this as first as well, but I think the reason they focused on the individual pictures was to set up the feeling of guilt the Ghostbuster felt after he stole the money and the grandmother was so nice to him.

It did look like the flashback Yemi. Strongly looked like it. It really weirded me out.

ETA: No. Scratch that. It looked like the pre-teen flashback Eko. The one who was kind of chubby and protecting Yemi.
Weird....

We need recaps of ALL the photos on that wall.

I'm pretty certain the photo on the wall by the door, visible when Miles entered and focused on when he left, was the same boy who played Eko in the flashbacks.

Eko wasn't murdered though (to the knowledge of anyone off the island), so we have to assume this is not about Eko specifically.

I don't think it was Eko. Miles and Eko look roughly in the same age group, and Miles didn't look much younger in that flashback.

It did look like the flashback Yemi. Strongly looked like it. It really weirded me out.

ETA: No. Scratch that. It looked like the pre-teen flashback Eko. The one who was kind of chubby and protecting Yemi.
Weird....

This was my thought as well but, knowing what we know, it doesn't make any sense because nothing about the house, the grandmother and the setting matches anything we know about Eko. They did make those pictures a focal point though. The question now is why??

I do think that it was Ecko or Yemi...we have no idea when this person was murdered. This guy Miles was playing a hoax on that poor woman to get the money and the drugs (both of which would fit in perfect with Ecko)...this person could have been killed years and years ago and the grandma was still just scared that his ghost was in the house.

Could be a different timeline of the same person, no?

I'm pretty certain the photo on the wall by the door, visible when Miles entered and focused on when he left, was the same boy who played Eko in the flashbacks.

Eko wasn't murdered though (to the knowledge of anyone off the island), so we have to assume this is not about Eko specifically.

This was my thought as well but, knowing what we know, it doesn't make any sense because nothing about the house, the grandmother and the setting matches anything we know about Eko. They did make those pictures a focal point though. The question now is why??


It looked like the actor, but I certainly don't think it's actually meant to be Eko. I just have no idea why they would do that to us.... just to confuse us? :confused:

Maybe this young man was Eko's son who turned to drugs when his father came up missing. That is, if he has to be related to someone we know already.
The screencap of the wall of pictures is up here:
Wall-O-Pics (http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/)

If they hadn't focused so long on the pictures, I would tend to think that the whole scene was just to establish what Miles does back in the real world. But this is Lost, so they must have shown it for a reason.

Did the grandma have an accent? I'm wondering if they just recycled the kid actor, which would be kind of weird.

I didn't even catch his when I was watching, I just thought it was to set up the whole ghostbusters thing. But looking at those screencaps they definitely look similar...

I thought it was young Eko as well, and didn't Miles find heroin behind the bookcase? If so, then there has to be a connection somehow.

I do think that it was Ecko or Yemi...we have no idea when this person was murdered. This guy Miles was playing a hoax on that poor woman to get the money and the drugs (both of which would fit in perfect with Ecko)...this person could have been killed years and years ago and the grandma was still just scared that his ghost was in the house.
Miles didn't take the drugs, he put them back in the wall... I think he was just after the money. Also I thought it was interesting that whoever the ghost was, once miles told him he could stay if he just told him where "it" was, He found the money. So obviously the ghost wanted to stick around.

It did look like the flashback Yemi. Strongly looked like it. It really weirded me out.

ETA: No. Scratch that. It looked like the pre-teen flashback Eko. The one who was kind of chubby and protecting Yemi.
Weird....

That's exactly what I thought, too.

started a thread on this issue, hope it wasn't duplicating, but i thought it deserved it's own speculation:

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=87979

I thought it was young Eko as well, and didn't Miles find heroin behind the bookcase? If so, then there has to be a connection somehow.

Yes he did.

I like the "Miles can communicate with dead people on the island" theory

could it be Abaddon?

If this was any show but Lost I would say that Ghostbuster scene was to establish that fellow's character(can't remember his name). That the murdered grandson is not important to the story.
This is LOST though. I immediately hooked on the grandma's name, Mrs. Gardner. Gardner rang a bell in my brain, but I couldn't make a connection. Did anyone else make a name connection?

We need recaps of ALL the photos on that wall.

There is a screen cap of all those photos on Lost-Media. I have no idea if I'm allowed to link to it here or not. If it's allowed, I'll post the link. :confused::confused::confused::confused:

It was a random young boy who was apparently involved in drug dealing in the L.A. area. What are the chances of THAT happening??!

It looked like a dustbuster. This was one of the worst moments in the shows history.

He has a baseball trophy in his room

Shillelagh - it's already been posted. feel free to post links to screen caps, as long as its not a spoiler or advertisement you're all good....

Im confident it WASNT a young Eko. the screen cap comparisons of that boy to Eko in another thread show me they arent the same. and his grandmother wasnt even African.

his spirit most likely just wanted that blood money out of his grandmother's house to be at peace and he was most likely a low level dealer. the vacuum Miles used was for show

It wasn't Eko, but I feel like Lost so rarely introduces a character without them having some sort of connection to other characters that we will find out more about the person later. Perhaps the teen has something to do with the character who was in the coffin (not saying he was the person in the coffin)?

If it is Eko or his brother why have they ended up in LA. I know it's a FF or FB ( my old brain is becoming so confused) but in previous FF everyone has stayed pretty much in their same environment?

I was wondering what kid would cover the walls of the bedroom w/pictures of himself, not me when I was a kid. But it sure looks like a kid's room, exc for the drugs & money in the secret stash hole in the wall.

But really what I signed on to say was that I'm very surprised noone in this thread has yet noted this - near the center of the pics on the wall is one of an older man, in a med-blue shirt. This guy looks to me like Henry Gale (from the driver's lic).

His pictures reminded me of young chubby Eko also.

This guy looks to me like Henry Gale (from the driver's lic).

Now THAT would be very interesting. The real Henry Gale is a loose end that needs to be tied up!

His pictures reminded me of young chubby Eko also.



Now THAT would be very interesting. The real Henry Gale is a loose end that needs to be tied up!

My head is starting to hurt.

We don't know much about Henry Gale, so he could easily be placed as this woman's son perhaps.

But can anyone come up with a plausible scenario, other than alternate dimensional time line, to place Eko and/or Yemi as the woman's grandson? She didn't have an African accent, or else I might think that maybe they all immigrated to the U.S. together at some point. Could Henry Gale have adopted him?

Although this does not make sense, it almost looked like Eko as a young boy. And I don't know if it is coincidence or not that behind the bookcase there was heroin.

That is what I thought too, that it looked like Eko when he was a kid.

It looked like a dustbuster. This was one of the worst moments in the shows history.

Oh, come on, I thought it was pretty funny - Miles clearly needed something for show. He's probably learned that the people who hire him need to see a 'device' of some sort. Obviously he doesn't need the dustbuster to communicate with the dead.

I posted another thread on this but it got locked because I missed this one. I made some screenies:

Young Eko (http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/1798/youngekopf3.gif)

Boy On Wall (http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/3622/grandsonzx4.gif)

They are similar and very well could be the same boy (with aging considered ala Walt). Too close for me to call. No huge distinct features on one missing form the other.

Dont tell me its future Walt...

if this part with Miles exorcizing the room is a flash forward, maybe the kid that died was the one in the coffin? It was a crappy looking neighborhood where this happened and also where the funeral parlor was.

The murdered grandson was Miss Klugh!:eek2:

(Seriously, any Eko or Yemi connection makes zero sense. Where do you people come up with this stuff?

A Henry Gale connection would be intriguing though.)

I don't feel the pictures are of Eko or Yemi. The grandson does look like them a little, but after looking at the screencaps, I'm sure it's not either of them. But it would be hard to explain if it was Eko or Yemi.

The murdered grandson was Miss Klugh!:eek2:

(Seriously, any Eko or Yemi connection makes zero sense. Where do you people come up with this stuff?

A Henry Gale connection would be intriguing though.)
:34853_huh: I hope this is a joke!! sometimes it's hard to tell in computer land whether it's sarcasm, a joke or if you are serious.

It's sort-of freaky the way many people attribute similar (same) faces. I mean, when they showed Jack on the plane, tons of people claimed that the couple behind him were Jin and Sun...in a poor neighborhood, lots of people were assuming that it was Michael in the coffin...

Get over the race=clue factor. Just a thought.

Oh, by the way, just because he's black doesn't make him Mr. Eko.

Whos to say some of the freighties centric moments werent flashforward and flashbacks?

This could be Michael, in the future of course. Anyone ever think of that?

I don't think there is any way this could be Eko, Yemi, or Henry Gale. The oldest picture of the boy we saw was as a teenager. The room had posters of wrestling and supermodels on the wall - a very teenage boy type of thing to do. I just don't see the connection that any of you are making other than all characters are of the same race.

Dont tell me its future Walt...


Well, it was someone who lived with his grandmother... and assuming that it was Michael who was in the coffin... Why not?

Why not? Because it was the past, not the future. Unless it was the future in the past :21:

I think it was some kid in LA who made us possible to know: Miles can speak to the dead. :rolleyes:

:34853_huh: I hope this is a joke!! sometimes it's hard to tell in computer land whether it's sarcasm, a joke or if you are serious.

Yes, it was a joke. :biggrin:

Maybe this young man was Eko's son who turned to drugs when his father came up missing. That is, if he has to be related to someone we know already.
The screencap of the wall of pictures is up here:
Wall-O-Pics (http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/)

If they hadn't focused so long on the pictures, I would tend to think that the whole scene was just to establish what Miles does back in the real world. But this is Lost, so they must have shown it for a reason.


Another bible reference?
one of the posters in the screenshot is a play or something with the word ressurection and a guy in a jesus ish pose

After looking at the comparison of the photo of Eko and the photo of the grandson, it's pretty clear it wasn't Eko. Just two full faced boys that look similar. Had me goin' there for a sec though. ;)

While it the boy in the photo does resemble young Eko, I kept thinking about how Michael wanted his mother to take Walt once they got back to LA. It doesn't really look like Walt though.
Hmm, looking at a comparison photo, I don't think it's the same kid who played young Eko either. The nostrils are different.

After looking at the two screencaps, I agree with the people who think the grandson isn't Eko. Although the faces are similar, I don't think they are the same person.

Perhaps Rose had a son being raised by Rose's mother? I can't remember Rose's history and can't think of how that would be an interesting tie-in to the show, but I thought I'd throw it out there.

It's sort-of freaky the way many people attribute similar (same) faces. I mean, when they showed Jack on the plane, tons of people claimed that the couple behind him were Jin and Sun...in a poor neighborhood, lots of people were assuming that it was Michael in the coffin...

Get over the race=clue factor. Just a thought.

Oh, by the way, just because he's black doesn't make him Mr. Eko.

While I agree with your sentiment, the quick, small (at least on my 15 incher) flashes of those photos coupled with a boy who could vaguely look like young Eko plus the fact that this is Lost leads many people to make these conclusions. I don't think it's that big of a race issue, honestly - I mean, remember the Russian/Siberian/whatever man that everyone thought was Jack at the end of season 2? People with Lost-minds stretch for connections like these all the time.

However, as I said before, I do agree with your sentiment. I'll still never get over when everyone thought some random Other redshirt was Michael when they looked absolutely nothing alike. On this one, though, before seeing the screenshots, I can see where the mistake can easily be made.

Does anyone remember what the guy looked like that Ana Lucia killed? Could this be his room. Of course he would have been grown up and the pictures were of him as a child.

Yes, it was a joke. :biggrin:
Ha Ha, sometimes you just don't know though.

There were many other pictures on that wall. Does anyone have stills of those?

i thought it was def eko. especially how it was focusing on the pic... i know its not her, but the old woman resembled rose a bit too...

Does anyone remember what the guy looked like that Ana Lucia killed? Could this be his room. Of course he would have been grown up and the pictures were of him as a child.

jason, who ana shot, was a tall white guy

The only thing that really grabbed my attention was a poster in the boy's room that said "Battle Royal"
Maybe the survivors are really on Okishima and and are supposed to be killing each other off until there is only one... errr, maybe six?

* reference to the Japanese book/movie "Battle Royale" where a class of school kids are picked to fight each other to the death

Is it possible that it could have been to set up something down the road where we see this kid's ghost on the island?

Is it possible that it could have been to set up something down the road where we see this kid's ghost on the island?

Since they really focused on the photos, especially the young boy photo, and we know it's not Eko as a child or Walt either, this is the only other explanation I can come up with, driveshaft. :shrug:

I think the Eko story line fits since his brother yemmy was kinda murdered...could work.

But the changing picture frames threw me. It was as if they wanted us to really focus on the picture and remember it maybe for later usage

Hi everyone, new here. Umm. Just thinking, and i think one or two of you mentioned it, but maybe it was Michael, and somehow, Michael and Eko are related. I dont know, maybe cousins or something.

Maybe it is not following the path of a Lostie as much as the path of the heroin and how it made it to the states and continued destroying lives.

Guys, it's not Eko or Yemi. If you'll think back a bit you'll remember that Eko and Yemi were from NIGERIA, which is in Africa. They are not from California.

I thought this as first as well, but I think the reason they focused on the individual pictures was to set up the feeling of guilt the Ghostbuster felt after he stole the money and the grandmother was so nice to him.This is exactly what I thought, too. I think if they wanted us to think it was another character in the photo, they might have shown it closer up.

I agree shyguy, I think the fancy looking vacuum is just to make him seem like a legit ghostbuster. :)

At first, I didn't think that the photo of a young boy resembled Eko.. but after looking more closely at screenshots it could be him. Maybe a relative?

Ok,
#1,Some people keep the rooms of a dead loved one as a shrine
and change NOTHING in that room
so this kid could have been dead for many,many years
#2,could be a FF or a FB,but I think a flashback
#3,It's definately not Eko,Yemi or Michael
could be Henry Gale,Abaddon,someone we never met
or Walt,But I don't think it's Walt
Connected to Rose...Mrs.Gardner????

I just read on Doc Jensen's blog about last night's episode that it was a cold generator. Looked like a dustbuster to me. :shrug:

Is it possible that you "start over" (a la Desmond & the key) when the smoke monster kills you? Maybe that really was Eko in a parallel universe. Just a thought.

I don't think it was Eko or Yemi. They were from Nigeria and Yemi was killed when his plane landed on the island. It couldn't be Eko because he was much younger than the picture when the "rebel drug dealers" ( I guess I could call them) took him from the village to help them and he was a grown man when he went back to the village and church to see Yemi. I am thinking it is someone else plus how do we know that the picture is of the dead loved one? It could be somone one else that is still alive.

It's almost seemed like Miles gave the grandson's ghost "permission" to leave after recovering the money. Personally, I think it's more important that the frames changed than who is in the pictures. Somehow, by doing what he did, Miles seemed to have "released" the spirit (for lack of a better word) of Mrs. Gardner's grandson. :confused:

Apparently the other threads discussing this are now in the Lost Luggage area... has anyone in this discussion mentioned that the photo frames changed between the time Miles went upstairs and when he came back down?

the panelling on the wall changed as well. Or are we now looking at a different wall (that just happens to have the same picture)?

So when things "changed", assuming they did, did that somehow effect the choice in wall selection in this ladies home? Seems odd.

-- J

Can someone post pictures of the changed picture frames? I missed them.

Oh, and these are definately flashbacks - each one of the new characters is (are?) listening/watching/reading about the discovery of the plane wreckage... Miles was listening to it on his car radio.

Guys, it's not Eko or Yemi. If you'll think back a bit you'll remember that Eko and Yemi were from NIGERIA, which is in Africa. They are not from California.

THANK YOU. I was beginning to think I was the only who recognizes that fact. Geez.

Not to mention, this flashback was not from 30 years ago. It appeared to be very recent (before the crash), as in sometime during the 2000's. Probably 2004. And the boy's death seemed at least somewhat recent, as well.

It's funny the way our minds work. Coloured kid, so who is it going to be Michael, Walt, Eko or Yemi? And is Miles Jin and Sun's son or Marvin Candle's? :biggrin:

I mean, it's Lost, so naturally we look for connections, the same as we do every time we hear a repeat name or location. But yeah, don't see how it can possibly be Yemi or Eko.

As for the pictures, it's not only the frame that changes. Another picture and frame changes, and another one disappears entirely. That is what Miles is observing.

There are a few screencaps on the WebPage for my Sewing Kit Theory. Link's in my Sig - Confirmed Dead.

don't think it had any meaning other to show that Miles had powers.

But the question is - what Powers? The power to change pictures?
Assuming that isn't his Power, whatever change has happened there is probably an indication of what has happened in terms of the Losties and the dual Flight 815.

It's almost seemed like Miles gave the grandson's ghost "permission" to leave after recovering the money. Personally, I think it's more important that the frames changed than who is in the pictures. Somehow, by doing what he did, Miles seemed to have "released" the spirit (for lack of a better word) of Mrs. Gardner's grandson. :confused:

I totally missed this!!

Can someone post pictures of the changed picture frames? I missed them.

Oh, and these are definately flashbacks - each one of the new characters is (are?) listening/watching/reading about the discovery of the plane wreckage... Miles was listening to it on his car radio.

Here are two links that take to you some screen shots so that you can compare them and they definitely are different.

Before (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1368-213.html)
After (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1368-229.html)

It seems that the place is lighter as well.
100%
But the question is - what Powers? The power to change pictures?
Assuming that isn't his Power, whatever change has happened there is probably an indication of what has happened in terms of the Losties and the dual Flight 815.

Lucidity, I had to read your theory twice before it hit me what you were saying and then I went OHHHHHH! Great theory! I couldn't figure out why getting rid of the ghost upstairs changed the picture frames but if you factor in the EMA, and time split or something, that would explain it better. I think...

Wow, I didn't notice that the frames changed! That is weird!

Late to the thread...no time to read it all...

But I think the photo was a young Eko...unless it was Walt...but it looked more like a young Eko...and Miles finding $$$ and drugs hidden in the boy's room makes it seem more like Eko...

But I guess it could be some character we haven't met yet...

Would it be possible for this "young Eko" to have been murdered around the same time that Eko on the island died?

Late to the thread...no time to read it all...

But I think the photo was a young Eko...unless it was Walt...but it looked more like a young Eko...and Miles finding $$$ and drugs hidden in the boy's room makes it seem more like Eko...

But I guess it could be some character we haven't met yet...
It's not Eko or Walt, Tabby. Here's a link to the post that gives the pic links for comparison http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1749763&postcount=41 .


Would it be possible for this "young Eko" to have been murdered around the same time that Eko on the island died?

I don't know what the connection would be though, LockeLove because Eko and Yemi were born and raised in Kenya and this young man was, presumably, born and raised near Inglewood, CA.

It's not Eko or Walt, Tabby. Here's a link to the post that gives the pic links for comparison http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1749763&postcount=41 .




I don't know what the connection would be though, LockeLove because Eko and Yemi were born and raised in Kenya and this young man was, presumably, born and raised near Inglewood, CA.


I know what you mean but maybe they are the "same" person. The grandson doesn't have to be from Kenya but perhaps he has similar qualities/similar spirit as Eko so when Eko died, so did he. I'm trying to figure out how to explain it better. People on this thread see the similarities to a young Eko, so maybe this murdered grandson has the same personality/spirit as the older Eko we know.

What was the timing of Miles visiting the grandmother? It seemed to me that the one thing the 4 flashbacks had in common was they all took place after the discovery of Oceanic 815 at the bottom of the ocean. Dan cries while watching it on TV, The news report on the radio in Miles' car when he pulls up to the grandmother's house, Charlotte looking at the paper in Tunisia, and the guy that was suppose to pilot 815 (can't remember his name (Found it...Frank)) calling the NTSB hotline to tell them that was not the pilot.

If that is the case, this cannot be Eko (he was on the plane) or his brother (he was already dead).

Re: the picture frames being different- EVERYTHING is different in the screenshots- none of the picture frames are the same. The picture to the left of the boy seems to be in a wooden frame and seems to be an airplane (??), yet the pic to the left in the after shot is in a metal frame and is of a person by a vehicle. Even the picture of the boy is different- it is more zoomed in and cropped in the after shot. The wood paneling is different, too. Considering this is Lost, I'd assume that all these changes are deliberate; however, it could just be shoddy continuity. ???

jb,
Yeah, that's what I said yesterday. I didn't notice any difference in the wooden panels though.

If anyone wants to see a side-by-side of it all, click on the Confirmed Dead link in my Sig. The Page is about Colour-use (The Sewing Kit Thread), but you can ignore all that and skip to the pics.

Re: the picture frames being different- EVERYTHING is different in the screenshots- none of the picture frames are the same. The picture to the left of the boy seems to be in a wooden frame and seems to be an airplane (??), yet the pic to the left in the after shot is in a metal frame and is of a person by a vehicle. Even the picture of the boy is different- it is more zoomed in and cropped in the after shot. The wood paneling is different, too. Considering this is Lost, I'd assume that all these changes are deliberate; however, it could just be shoddy continuity. ???

Why would someone accidentally go and change the order and the *frames* of the pictures? If they decided to go back for the second shot on down the road, I can see how the order of the frames could have gotten changed. But the frames actually changing just seems a bit much to be an accident.

Oh, there's no question about whether or not it was deliberate. All those changes, like you say, Charlie, would make it practically impossible anyway. But you couple that with all the close-ups and there can be no doubt about it.

What if the grandson that was murdered was the real Henry Gale's son? They don't go into why the Grandmother is seemingly raising him ... there are no mention of his parents. So maybe it was a random thing that Miles went and was a ghostbusting hustler at his house ... but then later was chosen to go to the island as part of Naomi's team? The same island where a murdered kids parents crashed in a hot air balloon?

Oh, there's no question about whether or not it was deliberate. All those changes, like you say, Charlie, would make it practically impossible anyway. But you couple that with all the close-ups and there can be no doubt about it.

I agree. Now if we just knew why.. if it was what Miles did that changed it or what.

Yeah, looks to me that picture "C" has changed entirely frame and photo, both.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h220/seaque/701c7a50.jpg

What if the grandson that was murdered was the real Henry Gale's son? They don't go into why the Grandmother is seemingly raising him ... there are no mention of his parents. So maybe it was a random thing that Miles went and was a ghostbusting hustler at his house ... but then later was chosen to go to the island as part of Naomi's team? The same island where a murdered kids parents crashed in a hot air balloon?

Wow. Great thinking. There's not much evidence to point to it except that the name of the show we're watching is "LOST". ;) But I like it!

cq,
Have you seen the Battle Royale Thread? Check out the last posts.

Oh, and my Theory for the change is all about Colour - he was in Red, and he changes to Blue because he is now at peace.

He seemed really familiar to me, too. I don't know about Eko...but he just seemed like someone we should know. (Or maybe we'll know later.)

It just seems like we've seen him somewhere and it bothers me.

Wow. Great thinking. There's not much evidence to point to it except that the name of the show we're watching is "LOST". ;) But I like it!

Yeah, it's pretty far out there, but like you said, this is our beloved LOST. :D

The address on the real Henry Gale's license was in Minnesota, though, so it's probably too far fetched. Unless it's a case of a poor orphaned kid who has to move to LA to live with his Granny when his parents go missing ... and then get mixed up with drugs and is the victim of an unfortunate murder. ??

Although this does not make sense, it almost looked like Eko as a young boy. And I don't know if it is coincidence or not that behind the bookcase there was heroin.

I thought it was Eko, as well. Myles was in California, 815 was headed to California. Things that are seen as small at first sometimes manifest as larger and larger as each episode plays out.

Not to mention, this flashback was not from 30 years ago. It appeared to be very recent (before the crash), as in sometime during the 2000's. Probably 2004. And the boy's death seemed at least somewhat recent, as well. When he pulls up to the house, Miles is listening to the news of the discovery of 815's wreckage. The scenario is after the crash.

But the question is - what Powers? The power to change pictures?
Assuming that isn't his Power, whatever change has happened there is probably an indication of what has happened in terms of the Losties and the dual Flight 815.
The parallel to a changing (kinda how it was, but not quite) 815 struck me as well, but I don't yet know how to apply it.
Another thought...If Miles was called by Ms. Gardner because the presence of that boy's ghost was "upsetting his grandmother", maybe one of the things that was upsetting her was that it kept changing the pictures around!
Would seem to me that a ghost that kept hanging around was trying to convey a message to grandma, not just to bother her. I don't know why spirits/ghosts can change pictures around and not just write a comprhensive note, but tha'ts usually ghost M.O stuff.
One more bit of ramble--
Since the other three Freightees' flashbacks were related to 815, I believe this one must be too. This photo must be of someone related to the flight.

Since the other three Freightees' flashbacks were related to 815, I believe this one must be too. This photo must be of someone related to the flight.

I think that the only thing similar about all four freighties' FBs was that there was some news (radio, tv, newspaper) about the 815 crash.

Re: the picture frames being different- EVERYTHING is different in the screenshots- none of the picture frames are the same. The picture to the left of the boy seems to be in a wooden frame and seems to be an airplane (??), yet the pic to the left in the after shot is in a metal frame and is of a person by a vehicle. Even the picture of the boy is different- it is more zoomed in and cropped in the after shot. The wood paneling is different, too. Considering this is Lost, I'd assume that all these changes are deliberate; however, it could just be shoddy continuity. ???I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that it's just a continuity error. Perhaps they had to do a reshoot (maybe they decided to add the "refund" scene to make Miles more likable?). I remember after The Man From Tallahassee when people were formulating all sorts of convoluted theories explaining why the contents of Ben's refrigerator had changed, when in reality they just had to redo some shots because of an airport X-ray...


Perhaps this is a question for Gregg Nations?

Booga,
On the one hand we mustn't clutch at straws with this Show, but on the other hand we can't deny the obvious. They focused on the pics several times, and there are pictures that change completely, change from one frame to another, or just totally disappear leaving a dark patch where the picture had been. There's no question of it being a mistake.

They focused too long on Miles looking at the pictures after he had been up getting the cash. I didn't notice anything at all about the changing pictures until I saw it here, but I did think it was weird that Miles stopped and looked at them. I am sure they wanted us to see that something was up!

Or they were just setting up the scene, and Miles wanted to see a picture of the boy he was "channeling." It's just a continuity error.

Actually, I do think that the vacuum is important... When it came on I was reminded of the machinery on the island - it could be similar to what was on the island but on a far smaller scale.

Probably a cockup rather than a conspiracy and a rather sloppy one at that. One would think that the continuity dept would take photos of the sets in case of needing to rebuild them for later reshoots, but then sometimes people are just incompetent.

Speaking of Miles' so-called 'dustbuster':

I don't suppose his possession of such a gadget might foreshadow in the future just how and who will be able to confront and "defeat" Smokey on the island?

Haha, Miles will just suck up ol' Smokey and vacuum bag him once and for all!

LOL

In regards to the picture, I don't think the grandson is anybody of relation to any characters that we already know of. Eko and Yemi are from halfway around the world from where this boy was from. It would seem to be a stretch to try and force a justification for the sake of making a connection. I think there is a significance to this boy in the grand scheme of things, but I think it's just something where we'll all have to just sit back and let the story come to us, so to speak, then to force it with preconceived notions.

bumpygrimes and Lockes Comb,
Have you looked at the pictures? It wouldn't be a continuity error, it would be 4 !

If they had to rebuild the set for a reshoot and, for some reason didn't have photos of the original, and a deadline was approaching, then it could just all be down to a continuity error. I would prefer to believe it's a stroke of genius on the part of the writers, a piece of the larger puzzle that will pay off big time deep into season 6, but I'm not counting on it.

I read elsewhere that the "vacuum" is actually a "cold air generator". I can't verify this, though....maybe someone else can.

I read elsewhere that the "vacuum" is actually a "cold air generator". I can't verify this, though....maybe someone else can.

I thought it was a white noise machine. But what do I know. :)

I don't think it was a continuity error. Do they have to take the pictures out of the frames when they break down the sets. Seems like a lot of trouble. I think it was intentional.

If it is a continuity error then this would be the single greatest continuity cockup in the history of this show, and those that we have seen already have been minor and inconsequential. The altering of multiple photo frames, and the recropping of the photos contained therein, is an obvious clue from the writers that all is not as it seems with Miles' visit.

Even if they had to reshoot and somebody had forgotten to take Polaroids of the set for continuity purposes (that's what they use - there's a scene on the season 3 bonus disc with William Mapother in makeup, and they use Polaroids to ensure continuity), they would have been able to look back at the footage already recorded in order to ensure continuity.

The attention to detail on this show is so great on the part of the writers (the pilot's wedding ring being a prime example) that to make an error of such monumental proportions is unthinkable. Ben's fridge was minor by comparison.

The frames mean something, otherwise they would have shown us a close-up shot of the boy's photo the second time around and not bothered with the frames, if they knew that they had to preserve continuity.

M

Regarding the Continuity explanation, it's especially unlikely as it's a single shot with no actors involved. They could just copy the earlier one if it were simply a mistake and use it again for the second focus. There's simply no way it's a mistake.

As I said before, some of you might like to consider the Colour angle that we work on on the The Sewing Kit thread. In the main picture as he walks upstairs the boy is predominantly Red, and on the way down, he's in Blue. For me, that is the clue. Red is a Colour we have linked to Smokey, Deception, and Perception (Desmond's Flashes, etc.), while Blue is all about Safety and Protection. So, for me, as it stands, I think the Red is something to do with Smokey and Evil or something like that, and it changes to Blue because he is now at peace.

The links are in my Sig.

When he pulls up to the house, Miles is listening to the news of the discovery of 815's wreckage. The scenario is after the crash.

Ah, yes, I had forgotten about that. Thank you for pointing that out.

Even if they had to reshoot and somebody had forgotten to take Polaroids of the set for continuity purposes ... they would have been able to look back at the footage already recorded in order to ensure continuity.You'd think so, right? But Ben's fridge was the least of the continuity errors in TMFT. There was also the time on the clock he was staring at, and the position of the statues and other things beside it. All moved around, all of which could have been correctly positioned by looking at the extant footage.

However, it was a confirmed production error. They do happen, even on Lost. And just like now, people had insisted it could not have possibly been a mistake. There was just no way! I mean, TPTB know we look for those things, right??

The attention to detail on this show is so great on the part of the writers (the pilot's wedding ring being a prime example) that to make an error of such monumental proportions is unthinkable.Remember when Juliet's sister turned out to be a 190-pound man? Or how about the Nikki/Paulo newspaper date? There couldn't possibly be a production error more monumental than not only getting the date of the plane crash wrong, but using a date that doesn't exist in the Gregorian calendar!

And yet, there you go.


[And seriously, the wedding ring? How many one-off characters in Lost had rings or other jewelry...? Referencing any one of them at this point wouldn't require a place in the master plan. Just convenient plotting.]

I don't think it is continuity error too much is changed to be down to that. it would be a sad day for lost if that turned out to be a continuity error.

I don't think it's a continuity error. So if it's not a continuity error, and was intentionally changed was it only for the Viewers or did it also change from Mile's perspective? And if it actually changed "in show" would Miles have been aware of it?

I totally missed this!!



Here are two links that take to you some screen shots so that you can compare them and they definitely are different.

Before (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1368-213.html)
After (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1368-229.html)



I am amazed at the people that think this is a continuity error. I understand Nikki and Paulo's newspaper and the change in Ben's refrigerator...these were errors.

But if they were to do a close up of Paulo's paper...then come back and do another one that was different...this, to me, would be something done on purpose.

Here is what would have had to happen for this to be a continuity error.

On the two caps above, someone would have had to take the picture off of the wall in the before photo...change the frame only...then hang the new frame, same photo back up on the wall and do the next shot...come on!

No way. If it was a completely different frame AND picture on all of the photos, I could get with this continuity theory.

This was done on purpose and if not, I'll eat my hat!:biggrin:

Excellent find BTW...I was looking at the photos to determine if we had seen this young man before and totally missed the changing picture frame.

I don't know if this has already been pointed out, but another thing I noticed from the comparison of these two pictures is that the two pictures to the left of the boys picture are different from the before to the after. I thought it was just one of them at first, the one above and to the left, but it's also the other one as well which is below and to the left. So there are several things that are different the second time around....weird. Seems like just a mistake but you never know with LOST.

Long time reader, first time poster.

I'm on the "it's Michael" team. There's just too many clues. Wasn't Michael living with his mother in L.A.? Also, the bedroom looks like an adult's old childhood room. The big problem with this theory is the money and the drugs. Why would Michael have so much cash? We know he was broke. Maybe there's stuff about Michael that we don't know about. It might be Michael's old room, but Walt communicating through it? Therefore, it's the grandson who is the "ghost."

So I guess that makes me on the "it's Walt" team...actually.:undecide:

En Provence,
Welcome to the Fuselage ! :thumbsup:

I like the "old childhood bedroom" idea. I was thinking there had to be a reason for that old Nintendo, but couldn't see how Time Travel or something would fit. Your suggestion makes a lot of sense.

I am amazed at the people that think this is a continuity error.
Here is what would have had to happen for this to be a continuity error.

On the two caps above, someone would have had to take the picture off of the wall in the before photo...change the frame only...then hang the new frame, same photo back up on the wall and do the next shot...come on!

No way. If it was a completely different frame AND picture on all of the photos, I could get with this continuity theory.

This was done on purpose and if not, I'll eat my hat!:biggrin:

What if they decided to add the scene in at the 11th hour and had to rush and rebuild the set, perhaps even in a different studio? These things happen. Of course, being Lost, you never know, but this just smells like a wild goose chase to me.

En Provence,
Welcome to the Fuselage ! :thumbsup:

I like the "old childhood bedroom" idea. I was thinking there had to be a reason for that old Nintendo, but couldn't see how Time Travel or something would fit. Your suggestion makes a lot of sense.

Thanks Lucidity! :smile: The more I think about it, the more I think Walt's been running around the island trying to "communicate" with people for a long time. At first he isn't very good at it, like with Shannon when he's talking backwards and drooling. Then, he appears to Locke as TGW (I love that!) and is able to speak clearly. Maybe he's also been trying to contact people off-island as well. The problem with this theory is that Miles seems kinda like a bad guy, so why would Walt "talk" to him?

So many new characters and sets this season! *head spinning* :o

Looking at the screen caps of the photos along side pics of young Eko, they do not appear to me to be the same person. Similar, but not the same. The eyebrow tilt is different as is the hairline. Or at least that's what I see. You can alter a lot of stuff about a person, but the hairline is something that doesn't change. Even when a person goes bald, the skin that had formed the scalp tends to be more taut than the forehead.

Long time reader, first time poster.

I'm on the "it's Michael" team. There's just too many clues. Wasn't Michael living with his mother in L.A.? Also, the bedroom looks like an adult's old childhood room. The big problem with this theory is the money and the drugs. Why would Michael have so much cash? We know he was broke. Maybe there's stuff about Michael that we don't know about. It might be Michael's old room, but Walt communicating through it? Therefore, it's the grandson who is the "ghost."

So I guess that makes me on the "it's Walt" team...actually.:undecide:

Never thought of this...really good idea. I'm trying to get this idea to jive with my belief that it is Michael in the coffin in TTLG though...timeline's not right if that's the case.:confused:

I would love to see a close-up of the pictures on the wall. One of them looks like a man with his young son.

Is it possible to crop, then enlarge one of the HD screencaps?

My overall feeling was that this scene was for us to learn about Miles, not about the grandson. It could be Eko, Yemi or someone connected to them, but I don't think so. I got the impression that the grandson died while he was still young (teenager).

dstripling >
My overall feeling was that this scene was for us to learn about Miles, not about the grandson.


My thoughts exactly.

I think the pictures changed and what we need to ask ourselves is what Miles did to change those pictures, Back to the Future-style. Like I said a few pages back, whatever that answer is, I think it will be applied to the show in general and give us an idea of what is going on with the Losties surviving the crash, etc.

Somebody questioned the "old Nintendo" in the room. And I'm just thinking that maybe it's just cuz they are poor and don't have lots of fancy stuff. Then again, the grandma easily came up with $200 cash to pay Miles, even though she was only expecting to pay $100.

But...if the kid was dealing drugs, wouldn't you think that with that load of cash he would have bought himself something nice?

Or maybe that stash didn't belong to the same person who now occupies that bedroom. I know that it's often hard to dismantle a room after a person dies who had the room...but if we are looking at a current day sort of bedroom and that old Nintendo was "high tech" when the owner lived in that room...that would put us EASILY prior to the early 1990's when SuperNES was released.

But then that blows the theory that someone posted about the dates on the calendar visible in the bedroom. Wish I had a screen cap of that calendar!

I need some Excedrin...this is making my brain hurt.

You'd think so, right? But Ben's fridge was the least of the continuity errors in TMFT. There was also the time on the clock he was staring at, and the position of the statues and other things beside it. All moved around, all of which could have been correctly positioned by looking at the extant footage.

However, it was a confirmed production error. They do happen, even on Lost. And just like now, people had insisted it could not have possibly been a mistake. There was just no way! I mean, TPTB know we look for those things, right??

Remember when Juliet's sister turned out to be a 190-pound man? Or how about the Nikki/Paulo newspaper date? There couldn't possibly be a production error more monumental than not only getting the date of the plane crash wrong, but using a date that doesn't exist in the Gregorian calendar!

And yet, there you go.

All minor by comparison. The lingering shot on the photos was a significant moment. The camera didn't focus in on Ben's clock, or his fridge, or the incorrect date on the newspaper in the same way as in Confirmed Dead. If one understands filmmaking then it's clear that the second shot of the photos (just like the first) was part of the inherent design of that entire scene - set up with the first shot, and then reveal with the second. It's a basic film and television storytelling model.

[And seriously, the wedding ring? How many one-off characters in Lost had rings or other jewelry...? Referencing any one of them at this point wouldn't require a place in the master plan. Just convenient plotting.]

My point about the wedding ring was an example of attention to detail. It's actually pretty hard to catch the two shots of Seth Norris' ring in part 2 of the Pilot, and it shows that the writers take the time to go back and make sure that what they're writing now fits in with what was shown earlier. TPTB know we pay attention to this stuff.

What if they decided to add the scene in at the 11th hour and had to rush and rebuild the set, perhaps even in a different studio? These things happen. Of course, being Lost, you never know, but this just smells like a wild goose chase to me.

If they had decided to shoot the entire scene at the last minute, then the frames would have been the same at the beginning of the scene as at the end. I think what you're saying is that they may have added in the second shot of the photos some way down the line. If that's the case, then why did they do that. They must have sat and watched the scene as it was originally shot and then said "Hey, we need Miles to look at the photos again". If that was the case then, as Lucidity has said, they could simply have used the same footage that they used when Miles first saw the photos. No need to reshoot. Even if they had gone back and filmed a second shot of the photos, it just aids the conclusion that the altering of the frames was deliberate.

Sorry but I don't buy this as a continuity error. It's all about why those frames changed and (possibly) who that boy is in the photo.

I was just thinking about the possibility that the bedroom is more dated than we had first thought - because of the NES. That Wonderstar poster is the same one that Charlie saw when he saved Nadia, and that must have been some time back because he was busking, so, presumably, pre-Driveshaft. I'd place that at around 1995 / 1996, which also coincides with Desmond seeing Charlie busking. So that still wouldn't tie in with the NES, but it would be less bizarre back then than in 2004. So I'm guessing the grandson died around that time rather than 2004. Michael was hit by the car around that time, so that's a non-starter, I think. But yeah, I'm going with the idea that the bedroom has been kept that way by the grandmother but the son moved out and / or died 8 years before.

I'm going with the idea that the bedroom has been kept that way by the grandmother but the son moved out and / or died 8 years before.

Yes, I think you're correct Lucidity.

Oh, come on, I thought it was pretty funny - Miles clearly needed something for show. He's probably learned that the people who hire him need to see a 'device' of some sort. Obviously he doesn't need the dustbuster to communicate with the dead.

...and to cover up the sound of his voice, to keep Mrs. Gardner from hearing what he was saying to the ghost...

Yeah, looks to me that picture "C" has changed entirely frame and photo, both.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h220/seaque/701c7a50.jpg

If you look at the picture that seaqueslost posted, you'll see the pictures on both walls of the stairway. The ones directly behind him are in the after (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1368-229.html) shot. However, if you look at the ones to his right, it does look like the frames/positions in the before (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1368-213.html) shot.

Seaquelost has them labeled A, B, C- it does seem like B's may be the same picture, just different frames. (I had mentioned earlier that the boy's picture seems more zoomed in and cropped in the after shot- 2 different pictures.)

I don't know if there's any significance to this- just an observation. However, it does explain why EVERYTHING is changed from one shot to the next- they are completely different walls. The TPTB may have wanted us to think the pictures changed from one shot to the next... or if they just shot the walls the way the character would see the pictures on his way up/down. On his way up, he'd see the pics in the before shot b/c that's the way he's facing. He would see the after shot on the way down, again, b/c that's the way he's facing.

I think that the only thing similar about all four freighties' FBs was that there was some news (radio, tv, newspaper) about the 815 crash.
AND that three of the four had strong reactions to the news- Charlotte's companions "how many languages do you have to read it in" re: newspaper article about wreckage discovery. Faraday-inexplicably crying while watching the news. Pilot (Lapidus?) supposed to have been the pilot of 815?
Those flashbacks were to do more than just give us background on the freightees.

If you look at the picture that seaqueslost posted, you'll see the pictures on both walls of the stairway. The ones directly behind him are in the after (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1368-229.html) shot. However, if you look at the ones to his right, it does look like the frames/positions in the before (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1368-213.html) shot.

Seaquelost has them labeled A, B, C- it does seem like B's may be the same picture, just different frames. (I had mentioned earlier that the boy's picture seems more zoomed in and cropped in the after shot- 2 different pictures.)

I don't know if there's any significance to this- just an observation. However, it does explain why EVERYTHING is changed from one shot to the next- they are completely different walls. The TPTB may have wanted us to think the pictures changed from one shot to the next... or if they just shot the walls the way the character would see the pictures on his way up/down. On his way up, he'd see the pics in the before shot b/c that's the way he's facing. He would see the after shot on the way down, again, b/c that's the way he's facing.

Spot on I think. Rather than a clue or continuity error, this whole controversy is actually a result of our confusion over the different angles. If there's a clue here, it's the idenity of the grandson, not his unmatched photo frames.

It's the same wall. You can even see a dark patch where one of the pictures used to be. And there are two identical shots with the bannister and lamp in the foreground. And you can see the differences as he goes up and down the stairs. There's a side-by-side and explanation at the top of the Confirmed Dead link in my Sig.

I'm wondering if Miles had gone to the house more than once......thus the pictures changing. When we see him with grandma it was the first time there and he didn't find the money. The second time he did. My reasoning is it would give a reason for the picture change and also the curtains changed. In the first the curtain is pulled aside and you can see light and trees outside and in the second the curtains are closed.

Could the baseball trophy on the kids desk be significant?

IIRC didn't Kate and her old highschool boyfriend Tom put a signed baseball in their time capsule? Didn't they talk about going to baseball summer camp in California? Could it be possible that that is where our tie in comes? I seem to recall that the baseball had signatures all over it and we speculated that one of those signatures was John Lockes. Is it possible that the grandson has some connection to Kate, Tom & or Locke through baseball?

The Lost-Media caps posted by Lockes Comb are pretty definitive. Same wall. Same photos. Different frames. The changing of the frames is significant, as is, possibly, the identity of the boy in the photos.

The Lost-Media caps posted by Lockes Comb are pretty definitive. Same wall. Same photos. Different frames. The changing of the frames is significant, as is, possibly, the identity of the boy in the photos.

They are definitely not all the same photo's or frames.

Ok the main picture of the boy, different frame, closer up picture after Miles comes downstairs than when he looks at them on his way in the house, the one above of the small boy holding what looks like a deflated balloon is in a different frame after he has been in the bedroom but could possibly be the same picture, the one of the boy at the truck after he comes downstairs is different frame, different picture, there is one of a woman with 2 children which is the same before and after and one below that of a man with a small boy. On the way in the house he is wearing a red tank top over a white shirt, but after he is wearing a red longsleeved jumper but still with a small child. There are other slight differences too. It is actually better seen from rewatching both scenes than by looking at screencaps.

They are definitely not all the same photo's or frames.

Ok the main picture of the boy, different frame, closer up picture after Miles comes downstairs than when he looks at them on his way in the house, the one above of the small boy holding what looks like a deflated balloon is in a different frame after he has been in the bedroom but could possibly be the same picture, the one of the boy at the truck after he comes downstairs is different frame, different picture, there is one of a woman with 2 children which is the same before and after and one below that of a man with a small boy. On the way in the house he is wearing a red tank top over a white shirt, but after he is wearing a red longsleeved jumper but still with a small child. There are other slight differences too. It is actually better seen from rewatching both scenes than by looking at screencaps.

Absolutely, and I've rewatched this scene numerous times now. The photos are the same, but with small differences. They are the same photos except with changes in certain details (as Lucidity has alluded to in herHIS posts), and recropped on occasion. The frames are entirey different. There don't appear to be any entirely 'new' photos. I haven't sought to deny that details within the photos have changed. What I was trying to show is that this is not a simple case of a continuity error. :)

Put simply - I don't think we're in disagreement that the changes which occured on that wall are insignificant. I think it's almost impossible to say who the grandson is or was, but it does look a lot like young Eko.

M

"as Lucidity has alluded to in her his posts" ;)

No problem. For some reason everyone assumes I'm a she.

Okay,You All Everybody
WHAT IF:
At the exact moment Miles is in the room with the boys ghost
Desmond is in the Hatch turning the FailSafe key?
And Things are changed by The Butterfly Effect?
Just my 2 cents and a LOST thought

Okay,You All Everybody
WHAT IF:
At the exact moment Miles is in the room with the boys ghost
Desmond is in the Hatch turning the FailSafe key?
And Things are changed by The Butterfly Effect?
Just my 2 cents and a LOST thought

It might also explain Frank's television going fuzzy and Daniel's unexplaied tears. Suddenly... everything changed. Charlotte's polar bear is more confusing. It was obviously already there when she got there, but then again she was shown a paper of 815's discovery which must have been printed the day before at least. Again, Desmond's actions may have caused the polar bear to be in the ground at the same point that 815 appeared - pre-dating Charlotte's visit.

The photo of the boy in the narrow, metallic frame that is shown after Miles came back down was seen elsewhere in the house. If you look closely, when Miles is leaving the boy's room with his dustbuster, on the wall facing him is the the same picture of the boy with the 2nd frame (narrow metallic). While its unlikely that the prop crew would make such a large mistake, it is possible, as this proves that they would not have had to take the photo out of the frame and put it in a new frame, as there were 2 copies of the photo in different frames. So either a) they are messing with us b) the changing frames have some significance or c) they had to reshoot the scene, and when they unpacked the photos and hung them up again, they put the wrong copy on the wall behind the bannister.

screencap: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Titokitty/?action=view&current=Untitled3.gif

The Lost-Media caps posted by Lockes Comb are pretty definitive. Same wall. Same photos. Different frames. The changing of the frames is significant, as is, possibly, the identity of the boy in the photos.

Alright, let's say the changing of photo frames was intentional. How are they going to explain it later?

Ben: This island has magical properties that change photo frames.
Miles: Oh, that's why Mrs. Gardner's photo frames changed during my introductory scene!
Ben: But Mrs. Gardner's house isn't on the island....or is it?!
Miles: ...

LOST

Okay,You All Everybody
WHAT IF:
At the exact moment Miles is in the room with the boys ghost
Desmond is in the Hatch turning the FailSafe key?
And Things are changed by The Butterfly Effect?
Just my 2 cents and a LOST thought

Interesting idea, I like your thinking!

Alright, let's say the changing of photo frames was intentional. How are they going to explain it later?

If I knew that then I'd probably have the solution to all of Lost's mysteries. I'm following a lot of theories that deal with time-shifting, time travel and interdimensional travel. As I said in my post above (in response to Patty Baron), it's quite conceivable that Desmond's turning of the failsafe key created a temporal displacement that changed things in the outside world. There's no reason why the effects of events on the island have to be localised to the island itself, or even affect the island itself. Desmond clearly time-travelled when he turned the key. What if he also created a change in the outside world? The on-island timing of his turning of the key would fit with the date of the discovery of the trench-based '815' (it's around two months after 815 went missing, and that seems to match with the timing of Desmond turning the key).

If Locke is right in believing that the island (or something on the island) brought the Losties to it, then clearly there is a case for on-island events having an effect off-island.

Ben: This island has magical properties that change photo frames.
Miles: Oh, that's why Mrs. Gardner's photo frames changed during my introductory scene!
Ben: But Mrs. Gardner's house isn't on the island....or is it?!
Miles: ...

LOST

I'll assume a degree of facetiousness here ;)

M

Okay,You All Everybody
WHAT IF:
At the exact moment Miles is in the room with the boys ghost
Desmond is in the Hatch turning the FailSafe key?
And Things are changed by The Butterfly Effect?
Just my 2 cents and a LOST thought

This thought crossed my mind many times. :smile:

If I knew that then I'd probably have the solution to all of Lost's mysteries. I'm following a lot of theories that deal with time-shifting, time travel and interdimensional travel. As I said in my post above (in response to Patty Baron), it's quite conceivable that Desmond's turning of the failsafe key created a temporal displacement that changed things in the outside world. There's no reason why the effects of events on the island have to be localised to the island itself, or even affect the island itself. Desmond clearly time-travelled when he turned the key. What if he also created a change in the outside world? The on-island timing of his turning of the key would fit with the date of the discovery of the trench-based '815' (it's around two months after 815 went missing, and that seems to match with the timing of Desmond turning the key).


But why photo frames? It seems like something more obvious would have changed; perhaps Mrs. Gardner would be wearing different clothing or something like that. The problem with this board is that everybody nitpicks the show way too much. The production crew makes mistakes, and they've admitted it before, too. Remember in Flashes Before Your Eyes when the poster spelled "honor/honour" the American way? People were theorizing that that was some clue having to do with time travel or whatever, but Darlton said in a Podcast it was a production error.

But why photo frames? It seems like something more obvious would have changed; perhaps Mrs. Gardner would be wearing different clothing or something like that. The problem with this board is that everybody nitpicks the show way too much. The production crew makes mistakes, and they've admitted it before, too. Remember in Flashes Before Your Eyes when the poster spelled "honor/honour" the American way? People were theorizing that that was some clue having to do with time travel or whatever, but Darlton said in a Podcast it was a production error.

lol...more obvious? They focused the camera on the photos....twice. This wasn't some obscured photo in the background.

lol...more obvious? They focused the camera on the photos....twice. This wasn't some obscured photo in the background.

I didn't notice it until somebody on here pointed it out.

I didn't notice it until somebody on here pointed it out.

You need some "LOST watching" lessons. :biggrin:

Yes, please teach me how to nitpick every little detail and consider it all to be clues. :lol:

The lingering shot on the photos was a significant moment. ... If one understands filmmaking then it's clear that the second shot of the photos (just like the first) was part of the inherent design of that entire scene - set up with the first shot, and then reveal with the second.If one understands filmmaking, one would understand that production errors are sometimes made. It is interesting to note how for every mistake later confirmed, there were people making the exact same arguments you are making; how an incidental shot must have been an intentional clue because professionals would not have made such a glaring mistake. Hey, it's filmmaking 101, right?

But perhaps one underestimates how the rapid-fire pace required of a television production makes an error-free show impossible. With most shows, these unimportant trifles probably go unnoticed; with Lost, however, the more obsessive viewers will scour every scene looking for answers. And they want to believe their findings are not in vain. Therefore they insist TPTB must have intended Rachel to be male; why else would they have included such a clear insert shot of a man's cancer scan during "One of Us?"

The two scenes with the boy's picture during "Confirmed Dead" aren't lingering shots. The first is at the tail end of a pan when Miles first enters the house. This is establishes he's there about the boy's death. The second comes as he's packing away his vaccuum. He looks up at it briefly after saying the boy was at peace and feels momentary guilt about exploiting the kid's death. He gives back some of the money. Both shots last about a second and a half.

I think what you're saying is that they may have added in the second shot of the photos some way down the line. If that's the case, then why did they do that. They must have sat and watched the scene as it was originally shot and then said "Hey, we need Miles to look at the photos again".I suspect they may have had to reshoot the entire post-"exorcism" scene (the second photo is already on the wall as he comes down the stairs). Perhaps they wanted Miles to appear more likable? Who knows...

What's really interesting is czardingus' discovery of the second picture (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v3...=Untitled3.gif) hanging on the wall as outside the kid's room. So Miles took some dead kid's drug money, and suddenly the pictures rearrange themselves? As he's walking down the stairs?

But why photo frames? It seems like something more obvious would have changed; perhaps Mrs. Gardner would be wearing different clothing or something like that.I completely agree. I imagine very few people noticed it before reading about it online. If something momentous had occurred, wouldn't there have been more than a few misplaced family photos?

Either way, I suppose we'll find out soon enough; if the switch was intentional, surely it'll be referenced in a future episode...

Ok. This whole stuff reminds me of the 'glitches' of the Matrix Movies. Remember the cat? If I have to provide an explanation, I would go with a course-correction action. Or a sudden bifurcation of the original timeline;). Now, for some reason I can't stop thinking about Desmond turning the failsafe key....
The ones who have read my Time Onion Theory or The Circle might remember that in both of them, I propose the creation of an alternate timeline the moment Desmond turned the key. In this timeline, Flight 815 crashes in the ocean.
Now, during the first minutes of Miles's flashback, the news of Flight 815 being found were coincidentially being broadcasted...So they might have done that on purpose to show that both events are connected. I mean 'the finding' of 815 and the sudden change in the pictures.
So what do I mean? That some kind of BUTTERFLY EFFECT-LIKE TIME WAVE started to spread outwards from the island when Desmond turned the key.
First the plane was found, after being missing for some time (because it was on the island!), probably a very short time before this broadcast news during Miles' FB. Then some minutes later, this Time Wave hits this woman's house.

I know this might sound cheesy, but it is kind of cool!!!! TIME WAVE (Is that trademarked?)
If I remember correctly, this was kind of used in the miniseries The Triangle.

this is probably silly, but after reading all the previous posts and repeatedly seeing the words frame, change and time, I have the words "time frame" in my head. Changing time frames anyone??????

We've seen photo wall changes before.

Back in S1, when Kate was at ex-bf Tom's house, there were fridge pics, under magnets.
Kate looked at the photos, then later the camera cut back to them. One had disappeared and the others were arranged differently.

When Locke was going to his dad's big house, with the security gate, the security guard Eddie had pics taped to the back wall. Then Locke went thru there one time and the pics were gone. Eddie was still there, though.

There was at least one more, but I can't recall it just now.

Separately they're easily explained, but together they form a pattern. These two didn't involve framed photos, so time 'frame' doesn't work as a visual metaphor.

I think it was just some random dude. The intention for this tidbid is to tell some background for Miles as a character.

Could it not be Eko's son? We don;t know what happened to him in large parts of his life.

The woman in the house could be his mother, the dead boy Eko's son and thus the woman's grandson? It would explain why he looks like Eko as they are related.

The drugs to me are a clue that perhaps this is the case.


I too spotted the frames changing upon re-watching, came to post this and saw it had already been spotted!

I put together a comparison:

http://www.parachutingtrees.co.uk/lost/se04ep02/frames_changes.jpg
Some of the changes in the photos, 4x02 "Confirmed Dead"

What does this mean? Simple continuity error? Seems like an unusually large error and to me unlikely as they make a point of showing us clear shots of the photos on the wall, before and after.

Another piece of evidence that this is deliberate is this on the noticeboard:
http://www.parachutingtrees.co.uk/lost/se04ep02/restore.jpg
A "Photo restoration" leaflet on the noticeboard, 4x02 "Confirmed Dead" 0 : 14 : 03

A "photo restoration" leaflet/poster


Restoring the grandson's peace?

There is no doubt that the boy in the ghost buster's room is Eko. What this means I have no idea but what I'm hoping is we will see Eko again soon. I watched the episode last night where Smokie kills Eko and during flashbacks they showed him as a young boy. It was the boy in the photos.

How does this tie in???

No doubt? How about the fact that Eko grew up in Africa, with his brother Remy, and would have been fully grown when Flight 815 was discovered at the bottom of the ocean?

I almost responded to this thread in disbelief that the child is Eko.....but after pondering the possibility, It might very well be him. Especially since he had the small bag of brown powder and a large amount of money in a paper bag in his room. This could tie into the whole two of each Lostie/time travel thing.

Okay,You All Everybody
WHAT IF:
At the exact moment Miles is in the room with the boys ghost
Desmond is in the Hatch turning the FailSafe key?
And Things are changed by The Butterfly Effect?
Just my 2 cents and a LOST thought

I actually really like this idea. Obviously each of the 4 FBs take place at very similar times since they are all just learning the news about 815. (Of course, I believe that all 4 of them quickly learn--or already knew--that the plane is fake.)

The photo of the boy in the narrow, metallic frame that is shown after Miles came back down was seen elsewhere in the house. If you look closely, when Miles is leaving the boy's room with his dustbuster, on the wall facing him is the the same picture of the boy with the 2nd frame (narrow metallic). While its unlikely that the prop crew would make such a large mistake, it is possible, as this proves that they would not have had to take the photo out of the frame and put it in a new frame, as there were 2 copies of the photo in different frames. So either a) they are messing with us b) the changing frames have some significance or c) they had to reshoot the scene, and when they unpacked the photos and hung them up again, they put the wrong copy on the wall behind the bannister.

screencap: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Titokitty/?action=view&current=Untitled3.gif

This is the best explanation of why it might be unintentional that I've read yet, but...

We've seen photo wall changes before.

Back in S1, when Kate was at ex-bf Tom's house, there were fridge pics, under magnets.
Kate looked at the photos, then later the camera cut back to them. One had disappeared and the others were arranged differently.

When Locke was going to his dad's big house, with the security gate, the security guard Eddie had pics taped to the back wall. Then Locke went thru there one time and the pics were gone. Eddie was still there, though.

There was at least one more, but I can't recall it just now.

Separately they're easily explained, but together they form a pattern. These two didn't involve framed photos, so time 'frame' doesn't work as a visual metaphor.
... I have to go with lostmio on this one. Sometimes we fans focus on background information and nitpick it like crazy and probably shouldn't bother, but when TPTB FOCUS for a LONG time on an image, it is something we are SUPPOSED to pay attention to. It is NOT a coincedence that the images STRONGLY resemeble young Eko. But I do not believe it actually IS young Eko. I don't think we have any idea who that kid is. But I think it is meant to remind us of Eko. Why? Who knows? But the money and drugs are certainly thematically related.

Why do the frames change? Eh, I don't know. I don't think it's as important as the fact that the picture is focused on. We'll see if we find out more when we find out more about Miles....

The way it is right now, we can't know for sure who the photo is, so perhaps we should look at the bigger picture (pun intended).

What I gleaned from this scene is that Miles CAN communicate with spirits/the dead. What made the Grandmother think her grandson's spirit was still in the house? Perhaps it is him moving the pictures, photos and frames around.

.It is NOT a coincedence that the images STRONGLY resemeble young Eko. But I do not believe it actually IS young Eko. I don't think we have any idea who that kid is. But I think it is meant to remind us of Eko. Why? Who knows? But the money and drugs are certainly thematically related.

Bingo!

It's a tie-back to Eko and Smoky, a subtle commentary on the destructive implications of Eko's self-justifying excuse that his sending the drugs out of his country was a good thing...

The frames, though, are something else.. don't know what, yet.

If the boy in the photos is indeed Eko, as a poster mentioned earlier, then it should be easy to find out. All we need is a screencap of the flashbacks that the same poster mentioned which show Eko as a young boy. It should be easy to compare.


Edit: Here is the screencap from darkufo.

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2008/02/ghost-boy-house-photos.html

Sometimes we fans focus on background information and nitpick it like crazy and probably shouldn't bother, but when TPTB FOCUS for a LONG time on an image, it is something we are SUPPOSED to pay attention to. It is NOT a coincedence that the images STRONGLY resemeble young Eko. But I do not believe it actually IS young Eko. I don't think we have any idea who that kid is. But I think it is meant to remind us of Eko. Why? Who knows? But the money and drugs are certainly thematically related.


I'm still sticking with the idea that it's a son or another relative of Eko.

For me the biggest clue that the frames are intentional in this case is this screencap:

http://www.parachutingtrees.co.uk/lost/se04ep02/restore.jpg
A "Photo restoration" leaflet on the noticeboard, 4x02 "Confirmed Dead" 0 : 14 : 03


Someone had to find/make a poster about photo restoration, it's too much of a coincidence to be a mistake.

I just saw the episode last night. The kid is even wearing the same shirt. it HAS to be the same actor. What that means I have no idea...

Hmmm... on second thought....

I'm wondering if Miles took the drug money to pay off a drug debt on behalf of the grandson - maybe to protect his grandmother. How are we to know that he's actually going to keep the money. It would explain the lingering ghost, and the "you can go now" comment.

Now, this has nothing to do with the dustbuster or the photos, but it might fill in why he was there in the first place. Yes, I think the dusbuster had a purpose other than a distraction, and yes, the photos were rearranged on purpose.

Did you notice how shifty Miles' eyes are when the grandmother is thanking him, and hugging him? I took it to be evidence that he knows he's doing something he shouldn't.

ok i'm on page 11 of this thread but had to post this b/c i am anxious and no one has posted it yet but...did anyone else notice that in the photo to the left is of two people [looks like an older guy and a kid] before the ghostbusting, and is only of one teenage-looking kid afterward?? also the photo directly above this one has more than one person before and after there is only a dark spot to show where a frame had been. is this indicating that a person is being somehow wiped of existence somehow??

ok i'm on page 11 of this thread but had to post this b/c i am anxious and no one has posted it yet but...did anyone else notice that in the photo to the left is of two people [looks like an older guy and a kid] before the ghostbusting, and is only of one teenage-looking kid afterward?? also the photo directly above this one has more than one person before and after there is only a dark spot to show where a frame had been. is this indicating that a person is being somehow wiped of existence somehow??

Yep, good screencaps that Elbonio provided. :smile:

http://www.parachutingtrees.co.uk/lost/se04ep02/frames_changes.jpg

What it all means....? I-have-no-idea. There's a a lot of good theories, though, I really enjoy reading them. (I don't think it's Eko.)

No doubt? How about the fact that Eko grew up in Africa, with his brother Remy, and would have been fully grown when Flight 815 was discovered at the bottom of the ocean?

We don't know how long the room has been haunted. Also, everyone believes EKO was the one on the drug plane. Perhaps the grandmother was told that Eko was murdered (and not that Yemi took Eko's place on the drug plane after being shot)...but why would local police give info to Miles about that?

THAT is why it PROBABLY isn't Eko.

Anyone that says it's definitive is just guessing.

-- J

I suspect they may have had to reshoot the entire post-"exorcism" scene (the second photo is already on the wall as he comes down the stairs). Perhaps they wanted Miles to appear more likable? Who knows...Even though I like the whole time shifting theories with the picture frames, this actually makes a lot of sense! If you watch the scene closely, Miles saying "You can go now" to the ghost an then closing the door behind him, would have been the perfect moment to cut back to the island (using the slammed door as cue for the usual sound effect). So I agree: They probably added the scene where Miles gives the money back, to make him more human - and switched the photos by mistake.

Course correcting?

Not only is the frame different on the boys picture but it looks like all the pictures and /or frames around it are also different from the first time we see the wall before the ghostbusting. Right? Why would they redress the whole wall?

We don't know how long the room has been haunted. Also, everyone believes EKO was the one on the drug plane. Perhaps the grandmother was told that Eko was murdered (and not that Yemi took Eko's place on the drug plane after being shot)...but why would local police give info to Miles about that?

THAT is why it PROBABLY isn't Eko.



Or it's the fact that EKO WAS BORN AND RAISED IN NIGERIA, NOT CALIFORNIA.

I Have to agree it looked like Eko, i thought it was when i first saw the picture. I was so SHOCKED!

Could Eko have gotten Grandma
outta Nigeria?
It is possible,but I feel highly unlikly
just a passing LOST thought

I don't believe The dead grandson is Eko or Yemi
but Eko could have realatives in California
and grandma's do keep old photo's

I believe that Miles' seance with the grandson's ghost is a flashforward and that it is the grandson who is in the coffin that Jack visits.

Could Eko have gotten Grandma
outta Nigeria?
It is possible,but I feel highly unlikly
just a passing LOST thought

I don't believe The dead grandson is Eko or Yemi
but Eko could have realatives in California
and grandma's do keep old photo's

I thought this too, but it is extremely unlikely.
I assume this grandson and his grandmother are irrelevent to the story and were simply used to explain Miles's supposed powers
100%
Or it's the fact that EKO WAS BORN AND RAISED IN NIGERIA, NOT CALIFORNIA.

OR is it the fact that noone knew about Yemi's demise, not event the attendentes of his church

just thinking someone from henry gales family.

I don't think it's Eko or Yemi (who are orphans from Nigeria) or Michael (who is from NY) and anyone we've met to this point. Just a random grandmother and grandson to introduce Miles' ability.

I was sure the frame change was important until I read this thread, and now I'm 50:50 on it. Though, I must say that if it is a continuity error, they need to be more careful with props that they put in close-ups. I have no doubt it will be raised with Carlton & Damon when the podcasts resume.

One thing my wife and I noticed on the last re-watch (when we were checking out the pictures and frames.) The radio report in Mile's FB is talking about 815 being missing and all 324 passengers being declared dead. This seems to take place before the plane is discover at the bottom of the Sunda trench and, therefore, before the other FB's.

Well since we ran out of Black Families from the show (Michael's, Eko's and Gale's) I have to chime in. With a Black Family from another show. Since apparently all Black people are related to each other.

The grandson is Cliff Huxtable's sister's grandson. Cliff never shared his doctor or Jello Pudding Pops money with his sister so she had to live in that dump. However in a deleted scene from the episode, Theo Huxtable is shown breaking into the house, looking for drug money... but since Miles already took it, he howls in anger. Then he desperately tries to call up his little sister Vanessa to score some dope.

Well since we ran out of Black Families from the show (Michael's, Eko's and Gale's) I have to chime in. With a Black Family from another show. Since apparently all Black people are related to each other.

The grandson is Cliff Huxtable's sister's grandson. Cliff never shared his doctor or Jello Pudding Pops money with his sister so she had to live in that dump. However in a deleted scene from the episode, Theo Huxtable is shown breaking into the house, looking for drug money... but since Miles already took it, he howls in anger. Then he desperately tries to call up his little sister Vanessa to score some dope.

Ha. This actually made me laugh out loud. I kinda agree that this is currently a moot point. It is possible that the grandson is someone we've met before but right now there is no evidence to support that and there's plenty of background characters that we've only heard from once. Another example is who was that girl that went with Claire to the psychic--is she some relative of Jin or Sun's, will see her again. Probably not and not everyone serves a greater purpose to the plot. Personally I want to know more about Annie and whoever is in that coffin.

I am about 95% It was eko or connected to him the resemblance to young eko was uncanny and the grandma looked like Rose.

It's sort-of freaky the way many people attribute similar (same) faces. I mean, when they showed Jack on the plane, tons of people claimed that the couple behind him were Jin and Sun...in a poor neighborhood, lots of people were assuming that it was Michael in the coffin...

Get over the race=clue factor. Just a thought.

Oh, by the way, just because he's black doesn't make him Mr. Eko.Even worse, some people saw the Stranger in a Strange Land promo and thought Jack was making out with Sun (actually Achara). Or that Miles must either be a young Marvin Candle or Jin and Sun's child from the future. Or that Jack must have a long lost twin in the artic. Or that Eko is either Walt from the future, or Rose's grandchild. I find these kinds of theories to be the laziest theories that fandom can come up with.

I think it's a form of prosopagnosia...an inability to recognize faces. Apparently, this condition is more common than one might think. :smile:

I love how this has turned into a race thing.

Look, when we are shown a new character...black man or woman on the show, based on the background of connections within the show, it is reasonable to theorize about there being some relation or relationship.

It's quite the same thing that would have happened if Miles had gone to an asian home and the ghost was that of a young asian man...why wouldn't it be reasonable to theorize (on this show especially) that this young man might have a connection to Jin or Sun.

It's not being racist to ask these questions...it's just being realistic. No different than if we saw and Italian or Jewish or German, etc, etc, etc.

Everybody SO sensitive!

I don't have any answers. I did read through all the posts in this thread and thought maybe this would help someone/somehow as we all have fun making ourselves crazy as we over analyze everything. :confused: There is a football schedule (I think it's football) hanging in the room over a poster of a football. The date, as far as I can read it, seems to be 2004. I doubt the grandmother would have added anything to this room. The date leads me to think that it may possibly be Walt's room and possibly the pictures are of a younger Michael. She probably hasn't seen much of Walt but always kept a room for him, the room of his father. The connection may be one reason Miles was picked to be on that helicopter. He has a connection to someone on 815 just as the pilot does, and I suspect the physicist. It could be one way the producer's are preparing for a possible return of Walt and/or Micheal? It's way past my bed time so I hope this makes some sense.

Any thoughts?

I love how this has turned into a race thing.

Look, when we are shown a new character...black man or woman on the show, based on the background of connections within the show, it is reasonable to theorize about there being some relation or relationship.

It's quite the same thing that would have happened if Miles had gone to an asian home and the ghost was that of a young asian man...why wouldn't it be reasonable to theorize (on this show especially) that this young man might have a connection to Jin or Sun.

It's not being racist to ask these questions...it's just being realistic. No different than if we saw and Italian or Jewish or German, etc, etc, etc.

Everybody SO sensitive!

The only one who seems to be sensitive here is you.

"Why wouldn't it be reasonable to theorize...." You do realize that there is a double standard here. Throw in a random black person, we have a bazillion page thread linking them to every black character on the show. Throw in a random white person... nothing. Throw in a random Californian... nothing, or very very little. Don't you find that the least bit odd?

I can see people being reminded of Kid Eko from the picture, but even so, why is there such a