The freighties brought gas masks, or at least a gas mask, but why? Are they planning on gassing people or are they worried about getting gassed?

The freighties brought gas masks, or at least a gas mask, but why? Are they planning on gassing people or are they worried about getting gassed?

Oh yeah! Forgot about that...well, it looked like there were bags of chemicals in there as well, so my guess is they were planning on doing the gassing.

Oh yeah! Forgot about that...well, it looked like there bags of chemicals in there as well, so my guess is they were planning on doing the gassing.

That's what I thought of. A second Purge, if you will.

i think both are plausible. they came for ben, and probably because ben gassed dharma. it could be protection, as well as a part of their plan to take out the hostiles, led by ben

The freighties brought gas masks, or at least a gas mask, but why? Are they planning on gassing people or are they worried about getting gassed?

Yeah very freaky! But what was more disturbing was Faraday's dodgy answer about it.

Let me tell you -- I was in the Army Reserve and when we went out on maneuvers we used to pack our Humveees in team and each member knew exactly what we were carrying and why. It was the difference between life and death.

Faraday knows why they had the masks AND you can be sure there were at least four!!!

The freighties have the gas masks, just in case, because they know the Darmhites were purged via gas.

In a nutshell, the gas masks establish them as enemies of Ben..

I was thinking, that these people where from Dharma and wanted to give Benjamin Linus a little taste of his own medicine. Guess I will have to see how it all plays out.

I thought those "baggies" were HAZMAT/Chemical suits. Protective, not offensive. Then again, they could be using the protective suits when administering the chemicals.

I'm riding the Freighters = DHARMA/Hanso train, so I am assuming the pro masks were packed because Ben used chemical weapons to purge the original DHARMA members.

Fool me once...shame on....shame on..me
Feel me again..........
........you can't.... fool me again...

The old "QUARANTINED" on the hatch comes to mind as well.

i think both are plausible. they came for ben, and probably because ben gassed dharma. it could be protection, as well as a part of their plan to take out the hostiles, led by ben

Yeah, it really seems that someone off the island has been aware of (all) goings on and knew about Ben causing the Purge. That would certainly lend credence to the idea that the Freihties are Dharma or ex-Dharma hired. Since Abbadon got the team together to get Ben, maybe he is Dharma as well. A simple explanation would be that (Abbadon's "company") is peaved that Ben interrupted the scientific benefits they were getting through the DI. So, they've come for his head and to reclaim the island. Seems so simple it's just got to be wrong :biggrin:

Okay, but if the Freighties brought the suits with the intention of either protecting themselves from Ben, or administering poetic justice- that would mean they knew how Ben polished off the Initiative. But how would they know this?

Okay, but if the Freighties brought the suits with the intention of either protecting themselves from Ben, or administering poetic justice- that would mean they knew how Ben polished off the Initiative. But how would they know this?

This started being my question as I read the thread, Charlie. That would presuppose that one of the Natives secretly contacted the DI and let them know what Ben dd and they've been spending all this time trying to find the Island and in order to wreak revenge or something.

That would presuppose that one of the Natives secretly contacted the DI and let them know what Ben dd and they've been spending all this time trying to find the Island and in order to wreak revenge or something.

Maybe someone specific is responsible for Ben's reluctance to let anyone leave the island?

Farraday didn't want Jack and Kate to see the box. He thought about denying it was their box at first.
Then he hedged the question about what it was and why.

He knows what they are for. My first thought was PURGE!

Okay I can't take anymore. Its 2:25 am EST and I get up at 8am. Night -night!

Maybe Ben is telling the truth and the Freighties intend to gas the island and kill everyone there.???

What came to my mind is the people on the freighter know what Ben did.
For as hostal as the one guy was towards Juliette. I'm leaning towards these people being family members of the people who were gased.

I'm thinking Dharma is paying the bill, but the people who went all have a personal intrest in being there.

What came to my mind is the people on the freighter know what Ben did.
For as hostal as the one guy was towards Juliette. I'm leaning towards these people being family members of the people who were gased.

I'm thinking Dharma is paying the bill, but the people who went all have a personal intrest in being there.

I definitely haven't made up my mind what their association is to the Island, but would it be more important to focus on their associations, or to start at Abbadon and decide why he chose those 4? Could be he chose them for their relations to (deceased, former) members of the original Dharma. I dunno...

I'm leaning towards these people being family members of the people who were gased.

I'm thinking Dharma is paying the bill, but the people who went all have a personal intrest in being there.

This would explain why Miles was so aggressive toward Juliette when he found out she was a native (and therefore probably knew Ben's location). Maybe Ben killed someone in his family.

This would explain why Miles was so aggressive toward Juliette when he found out she was a native (and therefore probably knew Ben's location). Maybe Ben killed someone in his family.

Something tells me that Miles is naturally high strung like that. That dude is a total spaz.;)

Where did Ben get the gas he used? There had to bit quite a bit somewhere for some reason?

Where did Ben get the gas he used? There had to bit quite a bit somewhere for some reason?

Yep, maybe he got the gas from Abbadon's organisation and then double-crossed them once he had wiped out the DHARMA garrison.

Now they're coming to get 'their' Island.

I think the gasmaks simply suggest that these guys, in their mission to extricate Ben (for whatever reasons: the Purge, his direction on the island, something else he did), are ready prepared to eradicate all life on the island, push comes to shove. That was my first thought anyways...

For whatever it's worth - the red bag Jack picked up from the metal box had Biohazard materials in it (you can tell by the color of the bag and the three black circles - like Ballentine Beer. That kind of bag can be used to put biohazard materials into it, but they appeared to be full).

Okay, but if the Freighties brought the suits with the intention of either protecting themselves from Ben, or administering poetic justice- that would mean they knew how Ben polished off the Initiative. But how would they know this?

Maybe Abbadon knew about everything that has happened on the island, via a spy...?

I think the gasmaks simply suggest that these guys, in their mission to extricate Ben (for whatever reasons: the Purge, his direction on the island, something else he did), are ready prepared to eradicate all life on the island, push comes to shove. That was my first thought anyways...

I'm willing to take a guess that the freighties don't know how deep in danger they've just put themselves. They know, perhaps, that they have to find Ben, but for what purpose-- they don't know. Faraday's comment about not being in charge of packing seems interesting in relation, and now, I'd be interested to know who was in charge of packing (Abbadon?), because whoever that was has a lot of information.

I think the gasmaks simply suggest that these guys, in their mission to extricate Ben (for whatever reasons: the Purge, his direction on the island, something else he did), are ready prepared to eradicate all life on the island, push comes to shove. That was my first thought anyways...

That makes sense - that makes a lot of sense. That would explain why Walt has told Locke that he has to stop the "Freighties". And that's why Ben keeps telling Jack that the people coming to the island will bring death to everyone there! His inside man (Michael, Walt, both?) has told Ben that the "Freighties" are coming with some biohazard material that will destroy all life (human anyway) on the island.

"Oh yeah" - and isn't everyone watching thinking (re. Ben), "why don't you just tell everyone why your so determined not to let anyone on the island!!!" And across the globe, when, "someday", Ben finally tells everyone what he knows, the entire planet will shout - "why didn't you say so in the first place!!!":biggrin:

I thought those "baggies" were HAZMAT/Chemical suits. Protective, not offensive. Then again, they could be using the protective suits when administering the chemicals.

I'm riding the Freighters = DHARMA/Hanso train, so I am assuming the pro masks were packed because Ben used chemical weapons to purge the original DHARMA members.


This is where I'm at as well. I see the gas masks as defensve, not offensive. They know exactly what Ben did, and want to be prepared for that possibility if they find him/the island.

I agree that this explains the hostility toward Juliet as well. Native = Hostile.

If the Freighters = Dharma, let me just say that I am so thankful that our writers did not write off the Dharma Initiative.

This seems like the only obvious answer to me. While it could be due to the supposed quarantine on the island, none of them seemed worried they were walking about without a mask on. They'd of been wearing them in the helicopter if they believed that.
Seems to me, they obviously are Dharma, or at least working on Dharma's behalf. Hell, it could be another group, there to steal the research the others stole. >_<
But back to the main point, I wont be surprised when they find canisters of the same nerve gas the others originally used for the purge.

Yep, maybe he got the gas from Abbadon's organisation and then double-crossed them once he had wiped out the DHARMA garrison.

Now they're coming to get 'their' Island.

But from TLE we know the Hanso Foundation cut off the Dharma Initiative's funding and looked elsewhere to achieve their goal- to alter the numbers (the core values of the Valenzetti equation) and stop the coming extinction of mankind. We know Mittlewerk imprisoned Hanso and took matters into his own hands to alter the numbers. I doubt if Abaddon is Dharma. There is no more Dharma. He might however be with the Hanso Foundation. More likely there is another group that is aware of the island and who wants to control it. This is what Ben said and I think he is telling the truth.

Gas would be an easy way to get rid of everybody on the island while leaving any structures, records or equipment intact. Then they have Miles to deal with the Jacob who would be immune to the gas. I think they wanted Ben alive. Once they had Ben secure then the gas would be released. Ben obviously knew this hence the warning that everyone there would die.

"Oh yeah" - and isn't everyone watching thinking (re. Ben), "why don't you just tell everyone why your so determined not to let anyone on the island!!!" And across the globe, when, "someday", Ben finally tells everyone what he knows, the entire planet will shout - "why didn't you say so in the first place!!!":biggrin:

That is the question, yes? Obviously, Ben really wants this Island to be his home. He wants it safe, and I'd assume he wanst to remain in control of his tribe. That leads me to think that Ben will never tell of the Island, under any circumstance - he is already fighting two groups of people, on his homeland.

Seems to me, they obviously are Dharma, or at least working on Dharma's behalf. Hell, it could be another group, there to steal the research the others stole. >_<
But back to the main point, I wont be surprised when they find canisters of the same nerve gas the others originally used for the purge.

IIRC, the scene in the Van with Ben and his dad, I only remember seeing the one canister. I suppose we could assume Ben had several cans, maybe that he opened after killing his dad, but I got the impression that the one canister took everybody not masked (and whom we were shown, which excludes Rousseau). Did I miss something?

But from TLE we know the Hanso Foundation cut off the Dharma Initiative's funding and looked elsewhere to achieve their goal- to alter the numbers (the core values of the Valenzetti equation) and stop the coming extinction of mankind. We know Mittlewerk imprisoned Hanso and took matters into his own hands to alter the numbers. I doubt if Abaddon is Dharma. There is no more Dharma. He might however be with the Hanso Foundation. More likely there is another group that is aware of the island and who wants to control it. This is what Ben said and I think he is telling the truth.

Gas would be an easy way to get rid of everybody on the island while leaving any structures, records or equipment intact. Then they have Miles to deal with the Jacob who would be immune to the gas. I think they wanted Ben alive. Once they had Ben secure then the gas would be released. Ben obviously knew this hence the warning that everyone there would die.

Bwahaha, Abaddon seems like the IDEAL Mittlewerk hitman. You are right, he could be Hanso, but not specifically (current) Dharma. Remember too all the involvement Paik and Widmore had during the Dharma days. Those two certainly know of the Island, even if they do not know how to get there, well, didn't ;)

Do you remember from the final Hanso video (from the LE 1.0) who he said knew of the "Island's location"? I remember him saying the DeGroots and himself, but were there any others he said?