They EASILY could have had Sam Thomas's voice finding flight 815. None of the non-ARGers would have known the difference, know about the character. And the ARGers would have loved it. Why did they do that? They changed the story on us?

If this should be in the Find815 forum instead, please move or merge, sorry.

I heard them mention the Christiane I in the opening scene!

I was kind of hoping that Sam would make a cameo. I got kind of attached to him during the ARG... lol.

Ah well. At least we got the Christiane reference. So it wasnt all for naught lol.

Ah well. At least we got the Christiane reference. So it wasnt all for naught lol.

True. I did squee a bit when it was mentioned.

So on the show, someone else finds the plane and not Sam?

They EASILY could have had Sam Thomas's voice finding flight 815. None of the non-ARGers would have known the difference, know about the character. And the ARGers would have loved it. Why did they do that? They changed the story on us?

If this should be in the Find815 forum instead, please move or merge, sorry.

So, are we convinced this is a fake 815 now? It had the cockpit intact...

I just realized... when Dan saw the TV in Mass (at his house?), I thought the woman was calling him Sam. I knew he was one of the Freighties. I was so very confused as to why "Sam" was in Mass and was one of the Freighties. DOH. She called him DAN, not Sam. LOL.

So on the show, someone else finds the plane and not Sam?

yeah, sounded like "Ron" found it :cool:

So, are we convinced this is a fake 815 now? It had the cockpit intact...

I just realized... when Dan saw the TV in Mass (at his house?), I thought the woman was calling him Sam. I knew he was one of the Freighties. I was so very confused as to why "Sam" was in Mass and was one of the Freighties. DOH. She called him DAN, not Sam. LOL.
yeah, sounded like "Ron" found it :cool:

Lol! I thought she was saying Sam at first, too. I kept thinking "that's not our Sam!

I think they should have had Sam's voice finding the fake 815. Kinda disappointed. :frown:

Golf Fan: :bowdown:

So, are we convinced this is a fake 815 now? It had the cockpit intact...
I think it's a fake, golf. But, then, I have since we finished the find815 game.

I just realized... when Dan saw the TV in Mass (at his house?), I thought the woman was calling him Sam. I knew he was one of the Freighties. I was so very confused as to why "Sam" was in Mass and was one of the Freighties. DOH. She called him DAN, not Sam. LOL.

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought she said, "Sam"!!!



yeah, sounded like "Ron" found it :cool: Yeah, what a rip for the ARGers, IMO. It should've been Sam's voice on the ROV1. At least the Christiane I was mentioned and we saw the Tunisian newspaper as well.

Good to see the find815 gang over here!

VERY dissapointed that at th least, Sam's voice was not on the show. I love how tight this show is...very few mistakes and continuity errors but they REALLY missed a prime opportunity to get this right.

How cool would it have been to hear Sammy boy on the show?:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: <--the Madianic 6!

This episode was probably long in the can when filming for the ARG started. I think it was an australian outfit that put together the ARG, so they cast australian-based actors. Otherwise, they would have made Ron (or whoever was doing the ROV voiceover) the protagonist in the ARG.

Ok, I could be way off base here, cause last night's show did confuse me a smidge,
but maybe they didn't have Sam's voice finding the plane to show us that the Christiane 1 wasn't the only ship to come across the fake 815?

There were 2 ROVs down there last night, but in our game wasn't Sam running the only ROV?

Maybe the Christiane 1 wasn't the first group to find the plane, but instead, they were just the first group to report the finding?

sorry if this makes no sense as i'm having issues with the time line of events - by that i mean specifically, Find815 game vs Show

This episode was probably long in the can when filming for the ARG started. I think it was an australian outfit that put together the ARG, so they cast australian-based actors. Otherwise, they would have made Ron (or whoever was doing the ROV voiceover) the protagonist in the ARG.
A very good point. The only thing they could have done in that situation would have been to take the actor for Sam and have him record over the dialogue from the episode.

sorry if this makes no sense as i'm having issues with the time line of events - by that i mean specifically, Find815 game vs Show
It's hard to say, but I thought the flashbacks from last night's episode were around the same time as Sam's storyline. After all, they were after the "wreckage" was found, but before the freighter got to the island. That's a very short span of time.

A very good point. The only thing they could have done in that situation would have been to take the actor for Sam and have him record over the dialogue from the episode.

Which would have been very easy to do even if it was in the can as correctly stated earlier.

Still VERY dissapointed.

Im glad they are keeping the 2 worlds mostly seperate. No reason to make the people that didnt 'play' the game be totally lost storywise, after all, 95% of the people that watch lost never even heard of the arg...

D+C aren't showrunning so maybe it would have happened if they'd been there close to broadcast. I'm worried about how the later episodes are going to be editing-wise.

Small theory pertaining to this. Maybe the Christiane I did find that this and then the Maxwell group ,or whoever is behind the 4 man team, came to the location to look for themselves since they did not believe the initial report.

Ok, I could be way off base here, cause last night's show did confuse me a smidge,
but maybe they didn't have Sam's voice finding the plane to show us that the Christiane 1 wasn't the only ship to come across the fake 815?

There were 2 ROVs down there last night, but in our game wasn't Sam running the only ROV?

Maybe the Christiane 1 wasn't the first group to find the plane, but instead, they were just the first group to report the finding?

sorry if this makes no sense as i'm having issues with the time line of events - by that i mean specifically, Find815 game vs Show

But the ROVs were running off the Christiane I, johnny. The game is set about a month before this episode. I need to check some dates to get a better idea though. It's the 23rd & 24th of Dec 2004 on the show and in the find815 game, Sam mentioned Christmas and friends and family were wanting to be with him at Christmas. But since they would need time to get the freightie team together, I would say somewhere at the beginning of Dec 2004 is when the find815 game is set in the beginning.

Im glad they are keeping the 2 worlds mostly seperate. No reason to make the people that didnt 'play' the game be totally lost storywise, after all, 95% of the people that watch lost never even heard of the arg...

Yeah, but the storyline of the episode would have been essentially the same as it already was, just a difference in the voice providing the narration and maybe a slight difference in the dialogue. No one would have been lost storywise, and it would have been a nice easter egg for those that put the time into following the game.

But the ROVs were running off the Christiane I, johnny. The game is set about a month before this episode. I need to check some dates to get a better idea though. It's the 23rd & 24th of Dec 2004 on the show and in the find815 game, Sam mentioned Christmas and friends and family were wanting to be with him at Christmas. But since they would need time to get the freightie team together, I would say somewhere at the beginning of Dec 2004 is when the find815 game is set in the beginning.

i'm not doubting you, Guinevere, but do we know that for certain?

Have we ever been told the actual date during one of those news broadcasts relating to the finding of 815? I checked the newspaper (Tunisian) but i can't make out a date.

When did Naomi crash on the island? Before Sam found the plane?
Maybe the freighter peoples launch their team before the official finding by the Christiane, because since they were sending Sam the info, it was only a matter of time until he found it?

They did mention the Christiane I, and the Trench, and some viewers said that they saw the map from the reef game.

However, I think that seeing the ROV at the beginning just got our hopes up to see Sam. :undecide:
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought she said, "Sam"!!! It's certainly who we thought would be there, so our ears were playing tricks on us. I definitely heard "Sam" too.

yeah, sounded like "Ron" found it :cool: Yeah, it was really odd to hear someone address the person manning the ROV as 'Ron'.

Much like Frodo, I need my Sam!
:biggrin:

i'm not doubting you, Guinevere, but do we know that for certain? Unless time shifts or something come into play, johnny. Naomi arrived on the Island abt the 17th of Dec - abt a week before she died.

Have we ever been told the actual date during one of those news broadcasts relating to the finding of 815? I checked the newspaper (Tunisian) but i can't make out a date. No, we weren't told the actual date on the broadcasts and the date on the newspaper was obscured.

When did Naomi crash on the island? Before Sam found the plane? That's the $64,000 question, isn't it, johnny?!
Maybe the freighter peoples launch their team before the official finding by the Christiane, because since they were sending Sam the info, it was only a matter of time until he found it?
Could be, could be... at this point we don't know about that part of the deal.

So, are we convinced this is a fake 815 now? It had the cockpit intact...

I just realized... when Dan saw the TV in Mass (at his house?), I thought the woman was calling him Sam. I knew he was one of the Freighties. I was so very confused as to why "Sam" was in Mass and was one of the Freighties. DOH. She called him DAN, not Sam. LOL.



yeah, sounded like "Ron" found it :cool:

Lol! I thought she was saying Sam at first, too. I kept thinking "that's not our Sam!

I think they should have had Sam's voice finding the fake 815. Kinda disappointed. :frown:

Golf Fan: :bowdown:

I think it's a fake, golf. But, then, I have since we finished the find815 game.



I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought she said, "Sam"!!!



Yeah, what a rip for the ARGers, IMO. It should've been Sam's voice on the ROV1. At least the Christiane I was mentioned and we saw the Tunisian newspaper as well.

This episode was probably long in the can when filming for the ARG started. I think it was an australian outfit that put together the ARG, so they cast australian-based actors. Otherwise, they would have made Ron (or whoever was doing the ROV voiceover) the protagonist in the ARG.

Yeah, but the storyline of the episode would have been essentially the same as it already was, just a difference in the voice providing the narration and maybe a slight difference in the dialogue. No one would have been lost storywise, and it would have been a nice easter egg for those that put the time into following the game.

They did mention the Christiane I, and the Trench, and some viewers said that they saw the map from the reef game.

However, I think that seeing the ROV at the beginning just got our hopes up to see Sam. :undecide:
It's certainly who we thought would be there, so our ears were playing tricks on us. I definitely heard "Sam" too.

Yeah, it was really odd to hear someone address the person manning the ROV as 'Ron'.

Okay, in response to all of the above, this is what I have to say:
First of all, glad you all saw this thread. :smile:
I did name the thread poorly. It should mainly be a complaint that they didn't make Sam the voice of the ROV operator. Clearly, the showed us the wreckage, the Christiane I, etc... those details were correct. But as Carencey says above, they should have used Sam's voice! He could have just been talking out loud (we would know that he's talking to Ockham). He wouldn't have to mention Sonya or anything like that. czardingus might be right about the reason why, but I'm still dissapointed. Now there is no way for Sam to be on the show, because he wasn't introduced this way... so they've basically edited him out of the story. Which is a total bummer. :( The beginning of the eppy made me soooo pumped! Watching with the BF, he was like "why are you so excited?" I'm like "he's gonna find the plane! Where's Sam? What's going on???" lol

Oh, and SERIOUSLY, "Dan" sounded like "Sam." To the extent that when he introduced himself as Daniel Farraday, I turned to the BF and said "He's lying about his name? At home his name was Sam!" lol.

Oh, and I like that the S4 clues from the ARG have shown up already:
the Tunisian newspaper
Matthew Abaddon
Daniel Farrady

What were the other S4 clues? Anyone remember offhand?
oh... Cheyene Walk or something, right? I need to go back and read Car's synopsis thread.

Pretty sure Miles' and Charlotte's names were clues as well. :)

As far as this Christaine 1, the crew that found 815 (on the show - stupid Ron ;) did say in their dialogue that (at least one of the ROV pilots) was following the coordinates that were on "Their guy's map." I took that as the same map/ log that Talbot said Widmore had from the Black Rock voyage - the one that had several coordinates listed within the search grid.

In spite of our Hero Sam get HOSED, I was ecstatic for the footage. As soon as the show started and I saw ocean floor and ROV on the screen, I started bouncing up and down, then we got HOSED too :biggrin:

And, that was a brilliant way to introduce the ARG info in the show like that. Funny, why did it take us 5 weeks to learn what the show taught us in like 2 minutes? ;) (We got other Easter Eggs, huh)

EXTREMELY dissapointed about our boy Sam. It could have been so easy to just put his voice there....

But, I wil lnot lose hope that we will see our boy again. After all, the ending video showed us Sam realizing he had been purposely tricked into finding that plane, so he must be thinking it's a fake.

If Naomi got to the Island Dec. 17th-ish 2004, and had already seen the footage and knew they were found dead, then the ROV shots in the beginning of this episode were from prior to mid-December 2004. Sam and the Find815 game take place around Christmas 2004.
There were bound to be time discrepancies when you mix a tv show and an online game.

Didn't Naomi tell Sayid et al that they found the plane and there were no survivors?

If the last day of the ARG took place on December 5th (to pick a date) and Naomi got to the island on December 17th, I don't see any glaring time inconsistencies.

It would fit with Naomi knowing that the official discovery was made. It gives the Freighter 12 days to get to the vecinity of the island and it fits with Sam's friends asking waht he wa sdoing for the Holidays.

If any time inconsistency exists, I think it would show through Cooper. When did he get to the island? Or rather, when did Locke see him on the island? The show didn't give us a reference to pin his arrival date, but we could presume is at least a day or two before Locke met him there, right?

However, an apparent inconsistency with Cooper's timeline could be explained by having him be one of the people involved in the fake crash set up.

If Naomi got to the Island Dec. 17th-ish 2004, and had already seen the footage and knew they were found dead, then the ROV shots in the beginning of this episode were from prior to mid-December 2004. Sam and the Find815 game take place around Christmas 2004.
There were bound to be time discrepancies when you mix a tv show and an online game.

I think everyone is forgetting, and maybe I have it wrong, but...

When Okham first told Sam about the Christmas thing, it was in reference to Sam asking what port and when he could get off the Christie. Okham told him they were at sea for three months (I believe) and they would be near no port until well after Christmas. He told Sam to let his family know he wouldn't be home for the holidays. So, the initial voyage would have been early December, maybe even late November, shoot perhaps a bit earlier even. Plenty of time for the News report and Abbadon to gather the team and get them on the Island by Christmas (or the day or two before as it is in epi 4.02) because...

Remember Sam navigating the reef, to get to the coordinates? I know a lot of us didn't get through ourselves ;), but Sam did :biggrin: And, he convinced Okham to let him drive because he could triple his profits, by cutting the expedition down to one month, not three. Sam found the plane early, way early. So it all fits perfectly, perfectly I say. :biggrin:

Correct me if I am wrong...

By jove, I believe you're right, golf! :grin:

If you really want to nit-pick, I think the angle the ROV approached the plane was a bit different, too, but I'm not too concerned about the discrepancies we've seen. I would guess the Find815 team is separate from the show team...I mean, good grief, the TPTB have enough time keeping the show crew tightlipped, let alone adding a bunch of programmers with direct access to email! Plus, there are contract issues, etc.

I think it was major props to the ARG group that there were as many tie-ins as there were so early in the season. Plus, I know a lot of people who watch Lost religiously that had no idea or no interest in playing the game, so it would probably be unwise to put too much into the show that you'd only know by playing the game.

Now what I'm curious about is if we have any images of the pilot from Season 1 when they first found the cockpit......

I think everyone is forgetting, and maybe I have it wrong, but...

When Okham first told Sam about the Christmas thing, it was in reference to Sam asking what port and when he could get off the Christie. Okham told him they were at sea for three months (I believe) and they would be near no port until well after Christmas. He told Sam to let his family know he wouldn't be home for the holidays. So, the initial voyage would have been early December, maybe even late November, shoot perhaps a bit earlier even. Plenty of time for the News report and Abbadon to gather the team and get them on the Island by Christmas (or the day or two before as it is in epi 4.02) because...

Remember Sam navigating the reef, to get to the coordinates? I know a lot of us didn't get through ourselves ;), but Sam did :biggrin: And, he convinced Okham to let him drive because he could triple his profits, by cutting the expedition down to one month, not three. Sam found the plane early, way early. So it all fits perfectly, perfectly I say. :biggrin:

Correct me if I am wrong...

You're right. BUT that doesn't change that they wrote out our poor Sam. Sad.....



Now what I'm curious about is if we have any images of the pilot from Season 1 when they first found the cockpit......

I was confused by this. Frank's friend, the pilot, is NOT Greg Grunberg who is the pilot from Season 1 who we all know and love. So he is friends with the co-pilot? If so, we don't know him, nor ever met him.

I was confused by this. Frank's friend, the pilot, is NOT Greg Grunberg who is the pilot from Season 1 who we all know and love. So he is friends with the co-pilot? If so, we don't know him, nor ever met him.

Greg was the pilot in the, hehe, Pilot? As in Greg Grunberg from Heroes (Darn my discontinued shows...) ? ITIR hearing this now, but COOL!

yeah when i first saw the picture of seth norris on the news broadcast i actually said, "thats not matt parkman", but i guess it was as close as they could get. i was disappointed as well that the arg didnt play into it more even if they just gave sam thomas the credit for finding the plane, everyone who played the arg would have loved it and any one who didnt wouldnt even know they missed anything.

I was sure that was Grunberg, just with a moustasche.

And Mr. Grunberg let it slip a while ago that he was going to do something Lost related. We have known in spoilers for months, we just didn't know the extent of his involvement this time. It was probably posing for the picture with a mustache to make it look like an old personnel photo.

Crazy, I thought of that too, but is that really Greg Grunberg? The moustache makes him look so different.
Seth Norris (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1368-498.html)
Greg as Matt Parkman (http://imdb.com/media/rm1389271296/nm0342399)

They EASILY could have had Sam Thomas's voice finding flight 815. None of the non-ARGers would have known the difference, know about the character. And the ARGers would have loved it. Why did they do that? They changed the story on us?

I was dissapointed too. But, if you watched Eli Stone, there was an Oceanic commercial that showed Sam sitting in his living room with the TV on and a news report broadcasting the finding of flight 815.

If that's how they tied him in the main story, they could have opened the show with this cut imho, of course.

Yeah, but the storyline of the episode would have been essentially the same as it already was, just a difference in the voice providing the narration and maybe a slight difference in the dialogue. No one would have been lost storywise, and it would have been a nice easter egg for those that put the time into following the game.

Well said.

When did Naomi crash on the island? Before Sam found the plane? Maybe the freighter peoples launch their team before the official finding by the Christiane, because since they were sending Sam the info, it was only a matter of time until he found it?

Ah, the question that burns me deeply...
Ok, if rescueing the Losties isnt the main objective, than I bet it is one of them. Why do I think that? Well, for starters, why would a drunk like Frank Lapidus have memorized the entire flight manifest of the passengers of flight 815 if they thought (Including Matthew Abbadon) they were dead? Are they searching for Ben and the Island? If so, why the need for that information...Seems irrelevant to finding Ben and the Island...Unless Ben is telling the truth and there is a mole on board the freighter. That mole could have gotten the info about the survivors through Ben...

Eric

Ok, if rescueing the Losties isnt the main objective, than I bet it is one of them. Why do I think that? Well, for starters, why would a drunk like Frank Lapidus have memorized the entire flight manifest of the passengers of flight 815 if they thought (Including Matthew Abbadon) they were dead? Are they searching for Ben and the Island? If so, why the need for that information...Seems irrelevant to finding Ben and the Island...Unless Ben is telling the truth and there is a mole on board the freighter. That mole could have gotten the info about the survivors through Ben...

Eric

Wow...you're right. Why did he have the manifest memorized if they didn't expect to find survivors?

An even better question would be why was Abbadon trying so hard to convince Naomi that there were no survivors, only to put her on the same freighter with a man that fully expected to find survivors?

For that matter, it seemed that the entire crew (except Naomi) expected to see survivors when they landed. Now, while they probably were alerted to this fact when Jack made the call...this wouldn't have given Frank time to study the flight manifest in the few minutes before taking off in the chopper.

So I think we could assume that Frank had full intention of finding 815 survivors before he ever left on the freighter...studying the manifest during the freighter trip.

Charlotte, Miles, and Daniel could have found out only after Jack made the call.

Naomi seemed VERY surpised when Hurley mentioned who they were and if she is to be believed, didn't think she would find anyone.

My question is this...didn't they talk about any of this while they were together on the freighter???? What?

Maybe they are more like the Losties than we think...keeping secrets from each other?

The only reason that I can think that they would want to know the manifest OTHER than to rescue the Losties would be so they could tell the difference between the "natives" and the survivors.

Only problem there is that we know that Frank was emotionally invested in that flight and may have a different motive.

This is all very confusing...it's great to have LOST back huh?

Wow...you're right. Why did he have the manifest memorized if they didn't expect to find survivors?

An even better question would be why was Abbadon trying so hard to convince Naomi that there were no survivors, only to put her on the same freighter with a man that fully expected to find survivors?

You guys are probably on to something, but playing DA, I was of the impression that maybe Frank had the manifest memorized for the same reason he was so intent and quick with recognizing the (missing) ring. He has, at least, some high level of guilt, if not fear for a botched mission on Sep 22, 2004.

*good to see ya 'round Lenny

Crazy, I thought of that too, but is that really Greg Grunberg? The moustache makes him look so different.
Seth Norris (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1368-498.html)
Greg as Matt Parkman (http://imdb.com/media/rm1389271296/nm0342399)

Jenny, I freezed framed on my computer from an HD recording, I enlarged, and looked in detail. I still think it's Greg G. on the TV set.

I think the intent was to tell the audience the plane at the bottom of the Sunda trench is a fake crash site. So, they show a corpse that's supposed to be the pilot, along with his picture. Lapidus looks at it and realizes it can't be the same man because he knew that man and that man never took his wedding ring off.

How did Lapidus know that guy? Because Lapidus was an Oceanic pilot, and one can assume the pilots flying the same route would get to know one another. Lapidus was supposed to fly 815 from Sidney to LA but was replaced. Naomi mentioned he was a drunk, that's probably why.

But when 815 is supposedly found and Lapidus starts to make noise, he probably gets recruited by the same people who faked the crash.

Ah, the question that burns me deeply...
Ok, if rescueing the Losties isnt the main objective, than I bet it is one of them. Why do I think that? Well, for starters, why would a drunk like Frank Lapidus have memorized the entire flight manifest of the passengers of flight 815 if they thought (Including Matthew Abbadon) they were dead? Are they searching for Ben and the Island? If so, why the need for that information...Seems irrelevant to finding Ben and the Island...Unless Ben is telling the truth and there is a mole on board the freighter. That mole could have gotten the info about the survivors through Ben...

Eric

Intelligence. You don't send the troops to war without some intelligence first. I think the implication is that the Freighties know everything (or almost everything) about the island. They know the 815ers are there. They probably think the survivors are harmeless, but they don't know for sure how much havoc Ben has wreacked, so they go informed. In case the Losties have now aligned themselves with evil, old Ben.
I thought they also heavily implied all the Freighties know the Sunda Trench crash is a fake.

We don't know why it was necessary to fake a crash. Perhaps the Freighties mission is in fact to purge the island again and that same organization wanted 815 searchers out of the way.

I'm also going to jump on board I was disappointed with no voice of Sam Thomas. Regardless of production challenges, I was surprised they didn't include his voice. I hope they change it in the DVD version!

Writers please come back! :bowdown:

Jenny, I freezed framed on my computer from an HD recording, I enlarged, and looked in detail. I still think it's Greg G. on the TV set.

....

But when 815 is supposedly found and Lapidus starts to make noise, he probably gets recruited by the same people who faked the crash.
I agree with your analysis. I was just thrown by that tricky moustache! :biggrin: I like your thought that Lapidus was chosen because he was too noisy about the coverup. Sounds a bit like our old friend Sam.

*good to see ya 'round Lenny

Oh, I'm around alright!

I'm in full addiction mode at this point! Hope everything is going well with your tight schedule!

An even better question would be why was Abbadon trying so hard to convince Naomi that there were no survivors, only to put her on the same freighter with a man that fully expected to find survivors?


i got the feeling that he wasn't trying to 'convince' her exactly, but was trying to impress on her the importance that she find no survivors. As in, "there can be no survivors, so do what you have to if you come across any"

just the way i understood it :shrug:

I agree with your analysis. I was just thrown by that tricky moustache! :biggrin: I like your thought that Lapidus was chosen because he was too noisy about the coverup. Sounds a bit like our old friend Sam.*spins around*
Parkman?! :eek2: What are you doing on that plane?

Oh... I get it now -- this is all a mind trip cooked up by his dad!!!
All of these people are really still on the plane, or wandering around NYC, but Maury is controlling their minds because he is angry about what his son did to them! ;) He stopped working for The Company and is now working for the Widmores!

I suppose the reason not to hear Sam Thomas at the ROV is that this is not the same team. If so Sam wasn't involved any longer and Widmore sent a second team to check the plane. The Christiane1 was probably only equipped for finding an old trading ship and locking the coordinates from Talbot's list.
BTW: I think they are still planning to expand the ARG. Or why did they change the appearance of "Maxwell group's" website just when the ARG finished?
I suppose we should watch LOST to find a password for the site. Maybe Sam Thomas is going to "hack" the site like Rachel Blake did in the previous ARG.

I suppose the reason not to hear Sam Thomas at the ROV is that this is not the same team. If so Sam wasn't involved any longer and Widmore sent a second team to check the plane. The Christiane1 was probably only equipped for finding an old trading ship and locking the coordinates from Talbot's list.
BTW: I think they are still planning to expand the ARG. Or why did they change the appearance of "Maxwell group's" website just when the ARG finished?
I suppose we should watch LOST to find a password for the site. Maybe Sam Thomas is going to "hack" the site like Rachel Blake did in the previous ARG.

Yeah!!! I agree. And they made some 'modifications' to the plane, the next time they sent the rov's, there was a cockpit there, which probably wasn't there when Sam was controlling the ROV and found the plane.;)
Right at the beginning of the episode, we hear something about the coordinates given from 'our guy'. I presume that person is Talbot.

Jenny, I freezed framed on my computer from an HD recording, I enlarged, and looked in detail. I still think it's Greg G. on the TV set.

I think the intent was to tell the audience the plane at the bottom of the Sunda trench is a fake crash site. So, they show a corpse that's supposed to be the pilot, along with his picture. Lapidus looks at it and realizes it can't be the same man because he knew that man and that man never took his wedding ring off.

How did Lapidus know that guy? Because Lapidus was an Oceanic pilot, and one can assume the pilots flying the same route would get to know one another. Lapidus was supposed to fly 815 from Sidney to LA but was replaced. Naomi mentioned he was a drunk, that's probably why.

But when 815 is supposedly found and Lapidus starts to make noise, he probably gets recruited by the same people who faked the crash.



Intelligence. You don't send the troops to war without some intelligence first. I think the implication is that the Freighties know everything (or almost everything) about the island. They know the 815ers are there. They probably think the survivors are harmeless, but they don't know for sure how much havoc Ben has wreacked, so they go informed. In case the Losties have now aligned themselves with evil, old Ben.
I thought they also heavily implied all the Freighties know the Sunda Trench crash is a fake.

We don't know why it was necessary to fake a crash. Perhaps the Freighties mission is in fact to purge the island again and that same organization wanted 815 searchers out of the way.

I also think that all of the freighties know that the 815 plane in the Sunda Trench is fake. The tie-in to the finding of the plane with all of their backstories is just too neat. There is a reason why they all are listening to the news, watching the news, or reading the news about the flight. We know Lapidus' reason already, of course.

I really hope the freighties' mission isn't to purge the island again... yuck.

Yeah!!! I agree. And they made some 'modifications' to the plane, the next time they sent the rov's, there was a cockpit there, which probably wasn't there when Sam was controlling the ROV and found the plane.;)
Right at the beginning of the episode, we hear something about the coordinates given from 'our guy'. I presume that person is Talbot.

Hm, I suppose it's poooossible that Sam found it and then this is the 2nd team finding it... but I don't think so, because they voiced surprise, like they had no idea they would find it there. And obviusly that wouldn't be the case if they knew that Sam had already found it.

I also think that all of the freighties know that the 815 plane in the Sunda Trench is fake. The tie-in to the finding of the plane with all of their backstories is just too neat. There is a reason why they all are listening to the news, watching the news, or reading the news about the flight. We know Lapidus' reason already, of course.

I really hope the freighties' mission isn't to purge the island again... yuck.



Hm, I suppose it's poooossible that Sam found it and then this is the 2nd team finding it... but I don't think so, because they voiced surprise, like they had no idea they would find it there. And obviusly that wouldn't be the case if they knew that Sam had already found it.

That was just for the cameras?

For the purpose of the TV (in the Lost world, not OUR TVs)? Yeah, I guess that's possible. If TPTB wanted to add Sam back in, they could say that, I suppose.

*spins around*
Parkman?! :eek2: What are you doing on that plane?

Oh... I get it now -- this is all a mind trip cooked up by his dad!!!
All of these people are really still on the plane, or wandering around NYC, but Maury is controlling their minds because he is angry about what his son did to them! ;) He stopped working for The Company and is now working for the Widmores!

:rotflmao2: And, Jacob is... Sylar after enjoying a plate of Claude? :biggrin: Did he get that from our menu? ;)