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teksmith 02-08-2008, 12:38 AM Why was Miles so aggressive towards Juliet when he found out she was not on the flight? I know he figured she would know where Ben was, but why so emotionally invested? What are the Freighties hanging over him to motivate him so much to find Ben? Does his history with Ben go back far enough to hate him? I get the impression Miles is new to this whole thing. It is almost like the Freighties told him to get Ben or they are going to kill his family or something.
Xanthous 02-08-2008, 12:50 AM I'm sticking with the idea that the Freighters were sent there by DHARMA/Hanso. Perhaps Miles knows what Ben did to the island DHARMA members and is a little worked up about the genocide.
Distress Signal 02-08-2008, 12:52 AM Miles is aggressive towards everybody. But I agree, maybe it has something to do with Ben's genocide.
woland 02-08-2008, 12:53 AM I don't think the freighties are necessarily holding something over Miles, he's just been told that the others (Natives as he called them) are evil, and given their treatment of the losties it's hard not to argue. He and the rest of his team don't know their group's true goals I think extracting Ben is a tiny part of their overall objectives. So Miles believes that Juliet is evil.
shyguy 02-08-2008, 01:04 AM I have a theory that maybe one of the freighties knows someone who Ben kidnapped(like Juliet he wouldn't let them off the island) and is there to try to rescue them.
richlost 02-08-2008, 01:17 AM Why was Miles so aggressive towards Juliet when he found out she was not on the flight? I know he figured she would know where Ben was, but why so emotionally invested?
It reminded me of that scene when Coleen Pickett told Ben about Desmonds sailboat.
Their reactions were the same, I was expecting Miles to say "HOW!?"
allergygal 02-08-2008, 01:32 AM He referred to her as a "native" to the island, so he probably thought she was involved with the Dharma purge. And I think that's at least one of the reasons these people are here. Ben lead the purge and they really want to get their hands on him. So maybe Miles, Danny and Charlotte are children of dead Dharma people?
Go with me for a sec while I throw a theory out...
Their mothers or fathers could have been brought to the island for "6 months" to do research because of their particular ability (just like Juliet) only to be stuck there and eventually die in the purge. If these children followed in their mom or dad's footsteps, then their parents would have been a physicist, an anthropologist, a psychic (or communicator with the dead -- whatever they're called), which certainly sound like fields of study Dharma would be interested in. So these kids grow up and all try to find out what happened to their lost parent and eventually hook up with Abaddon.
Any takers or am I reaching too far?
LostApril 02-08-2008, 01:38 AM Allergygal - I dont think you are reaching too far. I mean if I were a child of a person brought to the island to do research for a few months & got news my parent/s were never coming back, I would want more answers as to why, when & how.
TheSwanComputer 02-08-2008, 01:38 AM He referred to her as a "native" to the island, so he probably thought she was involved with the Dharma purge. And I think that's at least one of the reasons these people are here. Ben lead the purge and they really want to get their hands on him. So maybe Miles, Danny and Charlotte are children of dead Dharma people?
Go with me for a sec while I throw a theory out...
Their mothers or fathers could have been brought to the island for "6 months" to do research because of their particular ability (just like Juliet) only to be stuck there and eventually die in the purge. If these children followed in their mom or dad's footsteps, then their parents would have been a physicist, an anthropologist, a psychic (or communicator with the dead -- whatever they're called), which certainly sound like fields of study Dharma would be interested in. So these kids grow up and all try to find out what happened to their lost parent and eventually hook up with Abaddon.
Any takers or am I reaching too far?
With this show I don't think there is such a thing as reaching too far.
But that is a great theory and seriously would not surprise me. I immediately noticed they all had characteristics of "Dharma" written all over them. The only curve ball in the group is Lapidus, but he was supposed to be the pilot of 815. So that brings in his connections.
Good theory. I can't really say I hope they go that direction but it is a good theory.
teksmith 02-08-2008, 09:47 AM Go with me for a sec while I throw a theory out...
Their mothers or fathers could have been brought to the island for "6 months" to do research because of their particular ability (just like Juliet) only to be stuck there and eventually die in the purge. If these children followed in their mom or dad's footsteps, then their parents would have been a physicist, an anthropologist, a psychic (or communicator with the dead -- whatever they're called), which certainly sound like fields of study Dharma would be interested in. So these kids grow up and all try to find out what happened to their lost parent and eventually hook up with Abaddon.
Any takers or am I reaching too far?
I don't know. If the Freighties really want Ben back you wouldn't send someone with a vendetta. They would kill him as soon as they see him. I think Miles is motivated for some other reason. Look at the way these people are dressed - like they would be in their normal lives. It is like they were just snatched out of time. Is it possible that they have told Miles he cannot go back unless he delivers Ben?
Halcyon 02-08-2008, 01:17 PM Maybe Miles reacted so angrily/violently towards Juliet when he learned she was a "native" and not on the plane because he is related to Marvin Candle??? Because he believed Juliet had maybe been there the whole time, maybe she knows what happened to his father/uncle/??? Thoughts?
teksmith 02-08-2008, 02:37 PM Maybe Miles reacted so angrily/violently towards Juliet when he learned she was a "native" and not on the plane because he is related to Marvin Candle??? Because he believed Juliet had maybe been there the whole time, maybe she knows what happened to his father/uncle/??? Thoughts?
There was no real indication Candle was killed in the purge or even dead at all is there? He definitely seems more motivated to get Ben then the otheres, but it just may be that is his character.
enigma420 02-08-2008, 02:40 PM Maybe Miles reacted so angrily/violently towards Juliet when he learned she was a "native" and not on the plane because he is related to Marvin Candle??? Because he believed Juliet had maybe been there the whole time, maybe she knows what happened to his father/uncle/??? Thoughts?
Yeah..I have to agree. Miles is a volatile guy, has a lot of anger, and isn't above stealing money from an old lady. He's such a jerk that when he felt some measure of guilt, he gave her a refund of half, rather than the full amount. Something had to have made him that way, and I think that you hit it on the head (I was scoping through the posts to make sure no one said this and was about to post this very thing til I got to yours :( ) Losing your father to a crazy guy on an island would do it. Remember, Abaddon had said that each of these people were chosen for a specific reason, and I think that Miles was put in place to make sure that the mission continued to focus on Ben.
The intensity of focus on Juliet was due to the fact that anyone that was there that was not on 815 was obviously someone working with Ben. Dharma is not shrouded in mystery for Abaddon's crew. Not everyone knows everything that is going on, but I think there's a lot of knowledge as to the activities and history of Dharma amongst these four. So once Miles realized that Juliet was an other, he recognized that she would have a familiarity with Ben, the man who killed his father.
An interesting bit that may lend creedence to this idea is the Dharma video that came out on the S3 DVD's where it shows Marvin getting ready to film another video. I chuckled when I first saw how agitated he was in general (with the makeup a complaining that he was a scientist not an actor), but in light of Myles' volatility, I can see a simliarity in it.
teksmith 02-08-2008, 02:51 PM So is that the current baseline, Miles is emotionally invested in finding Ben because he believes that Ben killed his father, Marvin Candle? I could probably buy into this scenario except the purge episode never indicated Candle was around (did it?).
enigma420 02-08-2008, 04:29 PM So is that the current baseline, Miles is emotionally invested in finding Ben because he believes that Ben killed his father, Marvin Candle? I could probably buy into this scenario except the purge episode never indicated Candle was around (did it?).
Dharma doesn't strike me as having a high turnover rate. The island is secret, therefore those folks they hire, they want to keep. Candle was one of the main scientists, illustrated by the videos. It's doubtful he WASN'T there.
axpo23 02-08-2008, 04:38 PM Miles is aggressive towards everybody. But I agree, maybe it has something to do with Ben's genocide.
Or maybe it has to do with all the dead people talking to him. ;)
teksmith 02-10-2008, 02:48 PM Maybe all the people that Ben killed are talking to Miles and they have created a sense of urgency for him???
Corey Chaos 02-10-2008, 03:08 PM I don't think the freighties are necessarily holding something over Miles, he's just been told that the others (Natives as he called them) are evil, and given their treatment of the losties it's hard not to argue. He and the rest of his team don't know their group's true goals I think extracting Ben is a tiny part of their overall objectives. So Miles believes that Juliet is evil.
So, what you're saying is that Myles/Miles dislikes Juliet on principle, because she knows Ben?
woland 02-10-2008, 05:24 PM Yes, he doesn't like her on principle. He's not aware of the gray situation that exist for Juliet,Miles just sees the situation in black and white.
hskr_n_hi 02-10-2008, 09:42 PM The idea that the freighter crew that Abaddon picked would be descendants of Dharma makes good sense! I wish I had thought of that before now! :)
Not only would it explain Miles' anger (wow, he's intense), but also Charlotte's fixation with Dharma (her excitement on finding the collar on the polar bear, and on being on the island...at least 'till she finds out Locke isn't going to let her go). Could it also explain Farady's emotion when seeing the downed Oceanic 815? He's aware of Dharma/the island because of a family connection, and that brings up great emotion for him?
chaos9001 02-10-2008, 11:05 PM maybe Miles just saw juliet as a means to finding ben and finishing their mission.
maybe he just wanted to go home. I mean the guy did just have to jump out of a moving helicopter, not to mention having to spend time around Faraday.
/shrug
Lobby 02-11-2008, 12:25 AM I'm sticking with the idea that the Freighters were sent there by DHARMA/Hanso. Perhaps Miles knows what Ben did to the island DHARMA members and is a little worked up about the genocide.
If Hanso sent them, wouldn't they be using the term "hostiles" to describe the Others? "Natives" are what the Others call themselves. So I think this is someone the natives have had dealings with over the years. Ben had stacks of paper work in his office and a lot he took on the road with him camping. Running the Others would require no paperwork. Now we find a picture of him off island. Ben was up to something and had made enemies.
ozieozwall 02-11-2008, 12:40 AM Miles has an agenda, Ben. When we saw Miles commune with the dead person in the bedroom he was aggressive with the ghost. Ah Err which brings up something interesting. Miles was motivated with the ghost over where is it? Which was drugs and money. He put the drugs back but I think he took the money. Maybe, Miles justs wants to get paid and to get his pay check he is aggressive.
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