So it seems like maybe Abbadon and whoever he is working for knew there would be a chance that Des would be on the Island. If the team had a list of the 815 manifest to know who was on the plane and who not then they were probably given info on Des. Seems strange though if they knew Des and 815 might be on the island but not Juliet, who came to the Island much later than Ben did.

I had forgotten all about this. This Abbadon and/or whoever he is working for has some startling knowledge of the Island...

The pilot guy called Juliette a native.

I'm remembering that Naomi had a picture of Desmond and knew his name. So they know about:
1. Desmond (and Penny, who was the only one who had a copy of that photo, I assume)
2. Flight 815
and
3. Ben

So what gives? :confused:

OK...so the Boaties have a picture of Ben, but why did Naomi also have a picture of Desmond and Penny?

Also, remember the two women in the Looking Glass station had been sent on "assignment in Canada" and Ben's group accepted that as a reasonable explanation of their absence from the group. So evidently there are other groups or at least locations where the Others went on assignments.

My theory is that the Boaties are part of this group...maybe they are Dharma or maybe something else...that they didn't necessarily know each other before joining the freighter team, but they have abilities that are being called upon for a special assignment on the island.

I think Juliette is in for a rough time with this crowd, also great thoughts on Des.

Maybe they knew that there was this rich girl called Penny looking for the same island they were looking for.

How would Abaddon know that Desmond is on the Island. He obviously gave Naomi the pic, and we know it wasn't Penny's doing. Also if he gave her the pic of Desmond that would seem like he was the priority wouldn't it, but it is Ben. I see no relevance with Desmond's photo being on Naomi unless each team member was giving a separate photo, Miles had Ben's Naomi had Desmond, Thoughts?

The only way they would know is if it was her dad that was looking for the same island.

How would Abaddon know that Desmond is on the Island. He obviously gave Naomi the pic, and we know it wasn't Penny's doing. Also if he gave her the pic of Desmond that would seem like he was the priority wouldn't it, but it is Ben. I see no relevance with Desmond's photo being on Naomi unless each team member was giving a separate photo, Miles had Ben's Naomi had Desmond, Thoughts?

Maybe Abaddon doesn't know about Desmond. We haven't really found anything useful out about Naomi's past yet, so...it could be her that knows about Desmond. If she knew, no one else would necessarily have to know.

As far as explaining how she would know...I can't think of a reason.:biggrin:

Perhaps Naomi was working as sort of a double agent taking orders from Abaddon and either Penny or Widmore.

Abbadon apparently got info re: Desmond through Penny -- seemingly without Penny's knowledge.

My money is on the idea that Abbadon works for Mr. Widmore. (Not a lot of money, though, because this show is constantly throwing me for a loop!)

We're going to see more of Penny's daddy in future episodes, yeah?

i agree these three things are throwing me the most (that and the dharma polar bear in tunisia!).
we know now that naomi and the rest of her crew was hired by michael abaddon, and they knew or suspected they would find flight 815 survivors, desmond, and "natives" on the island.
this brings a whole new meaning to abaddon's question last week about if "they" were still alive. was he referring to 815 survivors, the freightie crew, the others, or the others? who is he and who does he work for?
and how come he doens't know what happened, if his hired crew actually got to the island? why did he seem to need info or help from hurley in the future? is this all a sign that the losties overcome the freighties, and manage to keep the evil powers from the island? then later they may allow a few people who really want to go home to leave (including but perhaps not limited to the oceanic six), making them promise never to return or tell people they are still alive.

I think it is more likely that Abaddon works for Widmore, who was the real boss of Dharma. Naomi was sent to arrest Ben for the murder of the Dharma workers, and kill Desmond while she's at it. Two for the price of one.

I'm remembering that Naomi had a picture of Desmond and knew his name. So they know about:
1. Desmond (and Penny, who was the only one who had a copy of that photo, I assume)
2. Flight 815
and
3. Ben

So what gives? :confused:

Regarding #1: We know that Penny had a copy because it was on her bedstand when Charllie contacted her. But also in a previous flashback, when Desmond was in jail for something as yet to be revealed, among his his possessions given back to him when he was released was that picture. During his incarceration, Widmore (or anyone else with connections) could have easily made copies of it.

so it's looking like widmore industries had a vested interest in the island and possibly the dharma initiative and figured out that penny was looking for desmond and that she knew about the island's electromagnetic properties. yeah?

Its not inconceivable that Penny's dad could have taken a copy of that picture from her, so IMO thats easily explainable.

Powerful people sometimes do business with other powerful people. If Penny is looking for Desmond then her father probably knows it. While both Penny and her father have money to burn, only he is likely to know someone like Abaddon.

Then why was Naomi carrying a picture of Desmond?

Maybe Desmond really did change the fate of everyone when he saved Charlie that day in the woods.

Then what about when he saved him from drowning or being struck by lightning or falling off of the cliff trying to catch the bird for Claire? Desmond had a new vision when he told Charlie he was going to drown in the looking glass. His vision was that Claire and Aaron were going to get in the helicopter. As for everyone else, who knows what their fate is. Desmond didn't mention seeing anyone's elses future.
I think Naomi was carrying Desmond's picture as an alibi, to get in good with the people they knew were on the island, our losties. However that didn't work out so well when Charlie told Desmond that they had nothing to do with Penny. If he hadn't found that out and told Desmond they may still be lying and saying they were sent by Penny, when we know their purpose is far from finding Desmond.

I thought about that too, Naomi holding Desmonds photo, I think she was looking for Desmond in hopes that he would have info on Ben or the Others.

Yeah, I kinda thought that, too. That while she was using the Desmond story as a kind of cover-up to what her "primary objective" was, I think she really was looking for Desmond - maybe she was originally going to be looking for the hatch and the guy running it. There were cameras all over the place there, right? I know they were probably meant to only be used by the Dharma watching station on the island, but who knows where else the feed was piped too.

Desmond had to have been/still has to be a big part of the equation. It's just too big of a coincidence that she had that photograph and knew where to find him.

I guess the real mystery is how they know Desmond is on the island. Perhaps the mole got the picture from Ben and is using it somehow.:confused:

I guess the real mystery is how they know Desmond is on the island. Perhaps the mole got the picture from Ben and is using it somehow.:confused:

Penny was probably really coming to save him, until he changed the picture by saving Charlie from the arrow. I think the fact that the picture was in the book Catch-22 is significant.

But how does she even know he's on the island? Maybe she found out from Widmore, who staged the other crash in the Sunda trench.