I didn't catch this the first time around but, when I rewatched the last few scenes, I realized that the lady on the sat phone said that he was tied up at the moment and couldn't come to the phone. Not too long after that, she said she had to go and POOF! was off the "line" before Miles could sign off or anything.
Could it be that the reason Minkowski couldn't come to the phone be because
possible spoiler
he was literally tied up? May be whoever was Ben's mole on the ship?

Mods, I looked to see if this already been posted and I didn't see it. If it has, please merge this with the other post and my apologies.

I didn't catch this the first time around but, when I rewatched the last few scenes, I realized that the lady on the sat phone said that he was tied up at the moment and couldn't come to the phone. Not too long after that, she said she had to go and POOF! was off the "line" before Miles could sign off or anything.
Could it be that the reason Minkowski couldn't come to the phone be because
possible spoiler
he was literally tied up? May be whoever was Ben's mole on the ship?

Mods, I looked to see if this already been posted and I didn't see it. If it has, please merge this with the other post and my apologies.

Wow...great catch! You might be on to something there!

The freighties must not have a code for that! :biggrin:

I agree and I will add to that theory:

Ben's "man" on the boat may actually be the woman we heard on the sat phone, which I suspect is Annie.
If not Annie, then MIchael. It has to be one of these two. :biggrin:

My theory is:


Minkowski is the mole.

I totally agree with your theories, but I love populous' theory most of all! I would love to see that person back!

Yep, that was very suspicious. The girl on the line was acting very strange, like she could care less that four people almost died trying to land on the island and that Naomi did die. And at this point they still haven't contacted Charlotte. And Mikowski is too busy to come to the phone? WTH?

I totally agree with your theories, but I love populous' theory most of all! I would love to see that person back!

I vote for populous' theory also. My first thought was that Minkowski was using the "head." It's a naval term for "latrine."

Then I thought, "Hmmm, what a opportune turn of events. The team is off the boat. Now what to do? Not my 'risky business underwear dance.' I think I'll tie up Minky first. (Long pause.) Then dance."

Yeah, I can see that happening.

Yeah, I thought Minkowski may be Michael.
That'll be one helluva twist!

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Yeah, I thought Minkowski may be Michael.
That'll be one helluva twist!

That would be a twist, but I tend to agree with the theory that he is
the mole and got caught.

We heard Minkowski.

I'd bet anything that is not someone we have seen or heard before.

Who the heck is Regina? Why was she so disinterested in what Miles had to say?

"Ho, hum, George can't come to the phone right now...gotta go."

I found this intriquing as the freighter folks are supposedly on some special covert op. The Freightey Fantastic Four are inexperienced as well, don't they need better guidance? Is Regina Ben's "man" on the ship rather than George?

Sounded to me like something bad was happening on the ship that was taking their attention.
maybe something like "there's a man here with gun pointed at us and he has taken control of the ship"
Or
"minkowski just hopped into a pilot boat and has headed off the island to join his friend Ben"

I thought that when Abbadon said to Naomi "There are no survivors" repeatedly, he meant if there are, kill them and get on with the mission. The freighter people knew these 4 would find survivors, so once they did they would cut off contact until the mission was complete.

Maybe Regina took George down (she might be the 'man'), so obviously who couldn't get on the phone

Regina = Annie = Ben's 'man" on the boat?

Just a crazy idea....

Regina's voice seemed like someone who was dealing with a problem. She said George couldn't come to the phone as if he were dealing with things, too. Therefore, I think Walt is aboard ship. The Lost minutes showed how troublesome he was to The Others. I think he's causing trouble for the freighties. He loves the losties, especially Locke. He would be upset, which would release his violent powers, if he knew the losties were facing a threat to their lives.

I agree that something was happening on board the frighter, and I also believe we'll see that scene in a future episode of Lost.

Regina's voice seemed like someone who was dealing with a problem. She said George couldn't come to the phone as if he were dealing with things, too. This is what I thought too. It should be interesting to see how it all plays out.

Now, I don't know much about freighters (just what I read on Wikipedia ;)) but does anyone have a clue just how large a crew a ship of that size would need? And freighters are also known as cargo ships... Is this where the "Dharma Drops" were coming from? What other kind of cargo do you think it would have?

It is obvious that something has happened on the ship. I think Ben's man has killed Minkowski

When Miles calls the freighter to speak to the (I assume) leader, (frank?) what is it that he is wrapped up in that keeps him from taking calls from his people on the island?

Thoughts?

I'm sure it will be answered in another episode.
Maybe at that moment, Ben's guy killed him, like the Losties killed Naomi and Kate said, "She can't come to the phone."

Good point! I missed the point that they had re-used the same phrase as when Naomi was shot....

We heard Minkowski.

I'd bet anything that is not someone we have seen or heard before.

We heard Minkowski when he talked to Naomi and Daniel so we know his voice. The female voice is one we haven't heard before though.

I love all the spoiler theories! I can't decided which one I would rather it be but they are all really great!

in response to the poster that said michael could be minkowski, minkowski's voice (and possibly his character itself) has already been attributed to another non-michael actor on imdb, and thie actor's name shows up in the credits.

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He was busy having a Flashback:biggrin:

I don't think it is Michael, although I think there is a strong chance he is on the boat, Mole or not. Think about it. So far, what do those who got off the island share in common? An eventual belief that they have to go back. I can't imagine that Michael - especially given his additional guilt over what he did to get off the island - wouldn't share the same desire. I know that their desire may stem from stuff that happens after Michael left, but again, him murdering a couple of people to get off would be enough incentive I think.

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Oooh, ooh! If (theory) Minkowski IS the mole, that would be a twist. Although we've not seen him yet, as far as I can tell... Maybe it'd be better if it WERE someone we've seen before.

i think that maybe
Michael is Ben's man on the boat, and that maybe he has "tied up" Minkowski and had a gun on the woman on the phone when she answered the call. she sounded.... off.

He sounds like Fisher Stevens, not Harold Perrineau.
I think that Mikowski is the mole.

This is a brutal thread as I resist reading spoilers! I presume you are talking about the man Ben said he has on the frieghter cause to me it would make sense that whoever he is, he would be trying to sabatog the mission.

lol yeah, these spoilers aren't major... more like "casting-related" spoilers. ;)

Sorry for all the spoiler stuff, TK421. Since my thought involved not only this episode but maybe subsequent episodes, we need to spoiler font. Anyway, yeah, you have the upshot of most of it and I totally agree that this would make sense as well.

This is a brutal thread as I resist reading spoilers! I presume you are talking about the man Ben said he has on the frieghter cause to me it would make sense that whoever he is, he would be trying to sabatog the mission.

None of them contain spoilers, it's all just speculation, so it's safe to look.

Yeah none of that stuff is spoilers, everything in "spoiler" font on this thread have been posted on other threads, and like someone already said, it's all just speculation.

I like the theory that he can't come to the phone because he's literally tied up. I could see TPTB doing that, a serious KISS!!

Now as for whether Minkowski is the mole or not, I originally thought he was, but now I like the theory that Charlotte is actually the mole. Or that there isn't a mole on the ship and Ben made all that up to play mind games once again.

Or they don't want to talk to their team anymore because they know they're Benbait. I kinda got the sense that the woman on the phone just was tired of hearing from them. It would tie into the scene where Naomi is told that without her, the mission is DOA.

Edit: I sense a Darma connection with the team, too. The team members seem to fit Darma's stations....biology, physics, and psychoanalysis. Don't get how an ex-Oceanic pilot fits in, though.

I thought about that later too, rds. It could be that these 4 folks are people who were supposed to be on 815 but weren't and this is another course correction or something.

Edit: I sense a Darma connection with the team, too. The team members seem to fit Darma's stations....biology, physics, and psychoanalysis. Don't get how an ex-Oceanic pilot fits in, though.

Perhaps since he was supposed to have been the pilot of 815, he was destined to be on that island, that's why he could land the helicopter on the island and Naomi couldn't. Or it could be as easy as he was, according to Abbadon, a really good pilot.:rolleyes:

I'm still not convinced either way on whether the "Chopper 4" segments are flash-forwards or flash-backs.

Minkowski was probably just in the head (potty, loo or whatever you'd like to call it) :)

I do not think that we were given that clue on accident about Minkowski not being able to come to the phone, and that Regina then abruptly ends the conversation as if she has to attend to something very important on the ship. This appears to be evidence of something happening on the ship that is of a very critical and unexpected nature, and my gut feeling is that it involves Ben's "man", whoever that may be. The possibilities include: sabotage, hostage taking, mutiny, or an outright attack on the ship or its crew.

This is a brutal thread as I resist reading spoilers! I presume you are talking about the man Ben said he has on the frieghter cause to me it would make sense that whoever he is, he would be trying to sabatog the mission.




They aren't spoilers. I dont understand why everyone thinks a theory is a spoiler. A spoiler is a KNOWN FACT that would SPOIL an episode for somebody. Nothing in this thread is a spoiler, just speculation. And in my opinion why would anyone be here if they didn't want speculation.

I speculate that the woman on the boat, speaking on the Sat phone with a British accent very similar to Naomi's, is actually Naomi's sister. Daniel Faraday did not know Miles' code--watch it again. Miles made the code part up.

Miles said the code meant to the effect "someone has a gun to my head so I have to say this." Why would he jump to the far-out conclusion that Naomi was murdered instead of tied up or held in a pit (or whatever).

Miles knew Naomi was dead when he got to the Island because of his mad ghostbustin' skills. He made up the code to get what he needed.

Regina, Naomi's sister on the boat, is coming to the Island and she is gonna be pissed, gunning for Locke.

All speculation, of course.

Minkowski probably might have been Ben's man and got nailed...or was busy peeing off the side of the boat.

Why didn't we see Faraday's wife? Never see her face. Is she Annie? Are the Choppers from the Island? Left after the purge with Annie? Is that why they are "special"? Is that why they are there for Benjammin' ?

Way speculation.

I speculate that the woman on the boat, speaking on the Sat phone with a British accent very similar to Naomi's, is actually Naomi's sister. Daniel Faraday did not know Miles' code--watch it again. Miles made the code part up.

Miles said the code meant to the effect "someone has a gun to my head so I have to say this." Why would he jump to the far-out conclusion that Naomi was murdered instead of tied up or held in a pit (or whatever).

Miles knew Naomi was dead when he got to the Island because of his mad ghostbustin' skills. He made up the code to get what he needed.

I like this theory. I was thinking along the same lines myself. Miles just didn't seem very genuine when he was telling Danny about the code.

I like this theory. I was thinking along the same lines myself. Miles just didn't seem very genuine when he was telling Danny about the code.

Right, not genuine. Here is the logic:

Faraday didn't know about the code, he looked confused. He looked confused because Naomi's sister really is on the boat. "What do you mean code...oh, I see what you are doing" kinda look.

If it really was a code, why wouldn't Faraday know it? If Faraday did know it, then why would Miles jump to the conclusion that Naomi was murdered just because she used the code?

Since we now know Miles is a ghostbuster, we know he would sense Naomi's deadness.

Minkowski was busy watching Dukes of Hazzard Season 1 on DVD (on topic).

I speculate that the woman on the boat, speaking on the Sat phone with a British accent very similar to Naomi's, is actually Naomi's sister. Daniel Faraday did not know Miles' code--watch it again. Miles made the code part up.

Miles said the code meant to the effect "someone has a gun to my head so I have to say this." Why would he jump to the far-out conclusion that Naomi was murdered instead of tied up or held in a pit (or whatever).

Miles knew Naomi was dead when he got to the Island because of his mad ghostbustin' skills. He made up the code to get what he needed.

Regina, Naomi's sister on the boat, is coming to the Island and she is gonna be pissed, gunning for Locke.

All speculation, of course.

Minkowski probably might have been Ben's man and got nailed...or was busy peeing off the side of the boat.

Why didn't we see Faraday's wife? Never see her face. Is she Annie? Are the Choppers from the Island? Left after the purge with Annie? Is that why they are "special"? Is that why they are there for Benjammin' ?

Way speculation.

Yes, it is an interesting theory and explains why Farraday didn't know the code, but then how would Miles know who Kate was and said she killed Naomi? If Miles "spoke" with Naomi's spirit when he first got to the island, why would he think Kate killed her then? Naomi would have told him that John Locke killed her. And then why would he go to Naomi's body change his mind and confirm Kate's story?

I still think it was a code and Farraday is just a "head case" and doesn't know the severity of the situation, as proven when he had to be pushed out of the helicopter. Plus he doesn't really seem to know what's going on anyway, or that could just be a cover, but from what we've seen, I don't think so.

Yes, it is an interesting theory and explains why Farraday didn't know the code, but then how would Miles know who Kate was and said she killed Naomi? If Miles "spoke" with Naomi's spirit when he first got to the island, why would he think Kate killed her then? Naomi would have told him that John Locke killed her. And then why would he go to Naomi's body change his mind and confirm Kate's story?

I still think it was a code and Farraday is just a "head case" and doesn't know the severity of the situation, as proven when he had to be pushed out of the helicopter. Plus he doesn't really seem to know what's going on anyway, or that could just be a cover, but from what we've seen, I don't think so.

Miles knew Kate because Kate was talking on the Sat phone, told George her name, then abruptly hung up. George called right back and got Naomi just before she died. That is how he knew Kate. Miles might have been able to sense that Naomi died just from the conversation and her actual silent death over the Sat phone, if he was listening.

Miles had to go to Naomi's body to "talk" to her like he did with the murdered guy--sitting on dead dude's bed with the ghostbusting gizmo. Miles just sensed Naomi was dead and demanded they take him to her--so he could chat.

Regina is coming for Locke, and Minkowski couldn't come to the phone because he was busy harpooning a Green Peace boat (on topic).

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Regina is coming for Locke, and Minkowski couldn't come to the phone because he was busy harpooning a Green Peace boat (on topic).

:lol: I love that! Thanks for that! :lol:

Miles knew Kate because Kate was talking on the Sat phone, told George her name, then abruptly hung up. George called right back and got Naomi just before she died. That is how he knew Kate. Miles might have been able to sense that Naomi died just from the conversation and her actual silent death over the Sat phone, if he was listening.

Miles had to go to Naomi's body to "talk" to her like he did with the murdered guy--sitting on dead dude's bed with the ghostbusting gizmo. Miles just sensed Naomi was dead and demanded they take him to her--so he could chat.

Regina is coming for Locke, and Minkowski couldn't come to the phone because he was busy harpooning a Green Peace boat (on topic).

That still doesn't explain why Miles thought Kate killed Naomi. If Naomi's "spirit" contacted Miles when he arrived at the island, wouldn't Naomi have communicated to him then that Kate didn't kill her? Why would her "spirit" have waited until he went to her actual body to let him know that Kate didn't kill her?

George was the one on the phone both times. Kate answered the phone the first time, but he didn't identify himself. The next time, he didn't call back, Naomi called him and said "George". The voice was the same both times, so I don't think Miles was ever on the phone.

Because Naomi apologized for dying right before she said, "Tell my sister I love her." Since Kate had talked to George on the phone and then Naomi talked to George, I imagined that Miles assumed that she was Naomi's killer because of the code.

Because Naomi apologized for dying right before she said, "Tell my sister I love her." Since Kate had talked to George on the phone and then Naomi talked to George, I imagined that Miles assumed that she was Naomi's killer because of the code.

Yeah Guinevere, I got that, that's what I believe too. The sister thing was a code, and Miles believed Kate killed her because she was with Naomi when the code was said.

I was saying that in LostSasquatch's theory that the sister wasn't a code doesn't explain how Miles knew Kate was the killer.

Perhaps Minkowski was speaking to their people back in the world about the recent developments, the death of Naomi who seemed to be the lynchpin in their operation and the presence of the losties on the island.
Or he was making repairs to Johnny Five.

Yeah Guinevere, I got that, that's what I believe too. The sister thing was a code, and Miles believed Kate killed her because she was with Naomi when the code was said.

I was saying that in LostSasquatch's theory that the sister wasn't a code doesn't explain how Miles knew Kate was the killer.

Oh...okay, I just misunderstood. :redface: Sorry!

Oh...okay, I just misunderstood. :redface: Sorry!

No worries! S'all good.;)

That still doesn't explain why Miles thought Kate killed Naomi. If Naomi's "spirit" contacted Miles when he arrived at the island, wouldn't Naomi have communicated to him then that Kate didn't kill her? Why would her "spirit" have waited until he went to her actual body to let him know that Kate didn't kill her?

George was the one on the phone both times. Kate answered the phone the first time, but he didn't identify himself. The next time, he didn't call back, Naomi called him and said "George". The voice was the same both times, so I don't think Miles was ever on the phone.

The Choppers would know Kate was the last one to talk to Naomi. Miles made up the code and said Kate murdered Naomi to get what he needed--he forced them to take him to Naomi's body.

The phone was ringing in Kate's hand just seconds after she hung up on George, then she gave the ringing phone to Naomi, with knife to throat. Naomi didn't call out.

Miles' prime concern when talking to dead Naomi wouldn't be to find out who killed her, it would be to find out what she knows about their objective--Benjammin', the hero.

Miles had to use a modified vaccuum cleaner and sit in dead dude's room to get his vibe and talk to him. Why would Naomi wait until Miles was at her body to communicate who killed her? If that is your logic, why would dead Naomi wait until Miles was at her body to communicate that Ben Linus is on the Island--their so-called primary objective?

Miles didn't go to Naomi's body to find out who killed her, he went to find out Ben info. Miles doesn't really care about people. He scammed Grandma for more money and took dead dude's cash stash (left the drugs). Miles talks with dead people so the living must not be too interesting and he said Naomi's body was just meat. His prime concern wouldn't be who killed her, unless it was Ben.

Miles made the code up and said Kate murdered Naomi to intimidate Kate and Jack into getting what he needed, Naomi's body. Naomi's sister is coming and Minkowski couldn't come to the phone because he was playing backgammon with Michael and cheating.

Well, LostSasquatch, that's a different theory and well thought out. You may very well be right. We'll just have to see.

Well, LostSasquatch, that's a different theory and well thought out. You may very well be right. We'll just have to see.

Thanks, G. :biggrin:

We will see.

Miles' prime concern when talking to dead Naomi wouldn't be to find out who killed her, it would be to find out what she knows about their objective--Benjammin', the hero.

That would also make sense, but when the pilot found out Juliet was not on 815, Miles freaked out about Ben, asking them where he was or did they know him. If he had gotten that information from dead Naomi, would he have reacted so aggressively?

Miles didn't go to Naomi's body to find out who killed her, he went to find out Ben info. Miles doesn't really care about people. He scammed Grandma for more money and took dead dude's cash stash (left the drugs). Miles talks with dead people so the living must not be too interesting and he said Naomi's body was just meat. His prime concern wouldn't be who killed her, unless it was Ben.

I agree with you there, he seemed to react strangely when Farraday was bringing Naomi's body back to the helicopter. Seemed Farraday was more attached to Naomi in that scene, especially when the pilot reassured Farraday they would pick up the body on next trip.

Hi, Im new here...in regards to the whole minkowski thing, does anyone else think that his name is really similar to the guys name that was w. kelvin in the hatch before desmond showed up...i just have a feeling it could be him...just speculation:redface:

That would also make sense, but when the pilot found out Juliet was not on 815, Miles freaked out about Ben, asking them where he was or did they know him. If he had gotten that information from dead Naomi, would he have reacted so aggressively?



I agree with you there, he seemed to react strangely when Farraday was bringing Naomi's body back to the helicopter. Seemed Farraday was more attached to Naomi in that scene, especially when the pilot reassured Farraday they would pick up the body on next trip.

Good point.

However, Naomi last saw Ben on the hilltop when she was slunking off with a knife in her back. So all she could have told Miles is that Ben is here. Miles would still need to know how to find him.

He did act super-aggressive, though. The Choppers are there for a reason, presumably to get Ben for something ?bad? If they know about the purge, they would know the "natives" were the ones that did it. And Juliet is a native. Maybe that's why he was super-aggressive. He was about to go Porcupine Face like X3.
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Hi, Im new here...in regards to the whole minkowski thing, does anyone else think that his name is really similar to the guys name that was w. kelvin in the hatch before desmond showed up...i just have a feeling it could be him...just speculation:redface:

Minkowski couldn't come to the phone because he is Radzinsky.

Mmmm...anything is Lostable, but...

Hi, Im new here...in regards to the whole minkowski thing, does anyone else think that his name is really similar to the guys name that was w. kelvin in the hatch before desmond showed up...i just have a feeling it could be him...just speculation:redface:

:Welcome:. Ylime7715! As far as Minkowski and Radzinski names being similar, I think they're Eastern European surnames, if I'm not mistaken. There nothing to suggest that there's a connection other than that that I've seen.

He did act super-aggressive, though. The Choppers are there for a reason, presumably to get Ben for something ?bad? If they know about the purge, they would know the "natives" were the ones that did it. And Juliet is a native. Maybe that's why he was super-aggressive. He was about to go Porcupine Face like X3.

Until big bad Jack told him to "Step off", and leave his woman alone!:biggrin:

I still feel bad for Juliet, when she saw that Helicopter, she had the biggest smile out of all if them, and I think she has the biggest reason to go back.....:undecide:

Until big bad Jack told him to "Step off", and leave his woman alone!:biggrin:

I still feel bad for Juliet, when she saw that Helicopter, she had the biggest smile out of all if them, and I think she has the biggest reason to go back.....:undecide:

I feel bad for her too, todd. She looked so lost about what to do and how to react when she realized that Frank knew she wasn't on the boat. I guess she thought she would bluff her way into rescue.

Until big bad Jack told him to "Step off", and leave his woman alone!:biggrin:

I still feel bad for Juliet, when she saw that Helicopter, she had the biggest smile out of all if them, and I think she has the biggest reason to go back.....:undecide:

Yup, she really has two great reasons to go back: her sister and her nephew Julian.

More speculation: I think Juliet dies because when her sister told Richard Alpert to bring Juliet "back in one piece," Alpert said, "Oh, we will try."

Bet she gets blown up.

Minkowski couldn't come to the phone because he had to go to a Megadeth concert in Portland.

Well according to Lostpedia, Radzinski is named after a Russian historian and playwright Edvard Radzinsky, and the name is Polish in derivative. Minkowski was a German mathematician/physicist who had something to do with special relativity/spacetime.

So Guinevere, you were right about them being Eastern European names!

I thought Radzinski was Polish but was unsure about Minkowski. Thanks for that. :grin:

Miles recognized Kate's name because of the prior calls and because they know who was on the plane from the manifest and because Jack called her Kate, prompting Miles to demand "YOU'RE Kate?!"

It is obvious that something has happened on the ship. I think Ben's man has killed Minkowski

Yeah I agree with this. Minkowski was important and then couldn't be reached which means whatever is taking him away must be DAMNED URGENT.

I have a feeling I know who Ben's man is . . .

Yeah, it's pretty obvious that Minkowski isn't just off taking a leak. Maybe Regina's surname is Mann!

I definitely think there was definitely a situation happening on the freighter at the time of the call. Perhaps Ben's man who I think is Michael might be causing the disturbance. Perhaps they found out how Ben's man was working for. It would be nice if we get a fb of Ben's man if something important is indeed happening on the freighter.

Yeah, it's pretty obvious that Minkowski isn't just off taking a leak. Maybe Regina's surname is Mann!

I'd say Regina and Minkowski are NOT Ben's man.

Without even reading Palomino's spoiler I bet we have the same man in mind.

I am sure we do Eight. It's not really a spoiler as I don't read spoilers, it's just my prediction (I spoiler tagged it just in case this turns out to be true to be on the safe side). In other words, I don't know who Ben's man is, it's just my speculation only. I definitely don't think Regina nor George are the moles.

Regina is latin for "Queen", for what it's worth...

It is obvious that something has happened on the ship.

Oh yes. Bakunin is aboard!

Cheers,
Rick

Something fishy was going on when Miles tried to call the boat at the end of the episode... When Miles asked for Minkowski, the woman he was speaking to said that he couldn't come to the phone. Then when Miles asks why, she says that she can't talk and has to go.... What's up with that? Wouldn't speaking with Miles be a priority? I think there is some sort of serious action happening on the freighter... Did Ben's mole get discovered?

Well according to Lostpedia, Radzinski is named after a Russian historian and playwright Edvard Radzinsky, and the name is Polish in derivative. Minkowski was a German mathematician/physicist who had something to do with special relativity/spacetime.

So Guinevere, you were right about them being Eastern European names!

oops....i think i mustve been hearing it wrong then, ill have to re watch it

So are we even sure that Naomi's team (Miles, Faraday, Charlotte and the pilot) are even on the same "side" as the Freighters (Minkowski, Regina, etc)?

We know that Abbadon put together the team, and got Naomi to get them in and get them out ... but did he also put together the Freighters ... so everyone knows the purpose of why they're there (to get Ben?)

I can see a situation going down on the Freighter (why Minkowski couldn't come to the phone) of the two (or more) mutually exclusive groups becoming suspicious of each other and why the other is there ... maybe whoever is financing the Freighter to be there (a real rescue of O815 ... someone looking for Dharma ... etc) is just being used as the vehicle to get Naomi's team in the region of the island ... but without really telling them what their primary objective is? Like they're just tagging along?

I felt at first that it was totally out of character for her to be so disinterested and actually thought it was a bad plot twist. They crash land and no one cares they are alive and then I remembered I was watching LOST!

erins = good point. If they came from the ship in the helicopter then why would they be "almost out of fuel"? Seems if they were with the freighter then they were using the ship to get to the general vicinity of the island and the helicopter to go to the island. Why wouldn't they take enough fuel to make that trip?

erins = good point. If they came from the ship in the helicopter then why would they be "almost out of fuel"? Seems if they were with the freighter then they were using the ship to get to the general vicinity of the island and the helicopter to go to the island. Why wouldn't they take enough fuel to make that trip?

The pilot said because of the storm and being thrown around alot by the storm, they burned more fuel then expected. They have enough fuel to get back to the ship, but only with a light enough load. Maybe they did fill the fuel tank up completely, but it's only big enough for a round trip with a little fuel left over.

I agree and I will add to that theory:

Ben's "man" on the boat may actually be the woman we heard on the sat phone, which I suspect is Annie.
If not Annie, then MIchael. It has to be one of these two. :biggrin:

I am guessing Michael too! It has to be!

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They aren't spoilers. I dont understand why everyone thinks a theory is a spoiler. A spoiler is a KNOWN FACT that would SPOIL an episode for somebody. Nothing in this thread is a spoiler, just speculation. And in my opinion why would anyone be here if they didn't want speculation.

No, no, it's the fact that I don't let myself read anything spoiler fonted, but that much spoiler font drives me crazy with curiousity to see what is written inside! Nothing anyone is doing wrong, just my own thing! Thanks for letting me know I'm not missing much!

i think Ben's Man on the boat is why Minkowski could not come to the phone. I also think the pilot is there just to die. I believe they picked him b/c he could ID the fact that the 815 flight they reported finding wasn't really our Losties. They send him on the "mission" and he gets whacked there at some point , probably Naomi's job.

No, no, it's the fact that I don't let myself read anything spoiler fonted, but that much spoiler font drives me crazy with curiousity to see what is written inside! Nothing anyone is doing wrong, just my own thing! Thanks for letting me know I'm not missing much!

Seriously, you can read everything in this thread that's in spoiler font. All of it is speculation, none are spoilers. I really don't understand why people keep posting who they think the mole is in spoiler font, it's not needed.

Regina's attitude, to me, sounded like a "You're on your own now, kid" type of attitude. Now that Naomi is dead and can't lead the team, maybe the 4 freighties are left on their own?

Seriously, you can read everything in this thread that's in spoiler font. All of it is speculation, none are spoilers. I really don't understand why people keep posting who they think the mole is in spoiler font, it's not needed.

That's not necessarily true: the return of Michel is still a spoiler and must be spoiler fonted.

That's not necessarily true: the return of Michel is still a spoiler and must be spoiler fonted.

In response to that:

How is it a spoiler, since he is credited as a season regular? One can only assume he appears on the show at some point ... :confused:

In response to that:

How is it a spoiler, since he is credited as a season regular? One can only assume he appears on the show at some point ... :confused:

you have got to be kidding me. :rolleyes: did you NOT read the thread that was set up by Karri to explain to you all what is considered a spoiler? :mad:

Please keep all discussions here to the current and past episodes. Anything that has yet to happen in an episode, INCLUDING the preview, is considered a SPOILER. Please keep major spoiler talk to the spoiler forums. If a MINOR spoiler must be mentioned it MUST be spoiler fonted. Many people were disregarding these rules last week ruining the experience for many unspoiled posters. Any poster found to be blatantly disregarding the spoiler rules will have their post deleted and will be given infraction points. Thank you for your cooperation in keeping those that wish to remain unspoiled, unspoiled.

please note the part where it says Anything that has yet to happen in an episode. If you did not see it in an episode then it is a spoiler...regardless of what you may see in the opening credits or choose to speculate upon.

CASTING information is considered a spoiler. who is in what eppy is a spoiler. who shows up in the credits is a spoiler. whose episode it will be is a spoiler. period.

Minkowski was in the toilet

Then why didn't she hang on the line or at least tell Miles to hang on or say, I'll have him call you back asap?? They're in the middle of a "rescue" operation! Doesn't make sense to me.

He had chili

Takes time

im sure the name is Michalski...

Are you kidding about the name, TheTone? If so, cute. ;) If not, we're pretty sure that George Minkowski is the man on the freighter's name.

Another reason I thought of that could explain Regina not getting Minkowski on the phone is to introduce the character of Regina. Maybe she's going to become more important to the story in later episodes. :shrug:

I suggested in another thread that he was at a Starbucks in Pdx.

Whew...just read this thread front to end. These are some good ideas. I have always been the type person to try to see the other person's perspective and that's why I think if I was on that freighter I would be waiting impatiently for any kind of reply from the away mission.

Given all the facts like the nature of the mission, the personnel chosen, the fact that Naomi was killed..etc..I think I would want to take any call from the island no matter who I was talking to or what I was doing. With that said, I think Minkowski could not come to the phone for a nefarious reason. Most of those possible reasons are outlined in this thread.

The most likely reason would be Ben's source/spy on the ship had caused some major problem that kept him away from the phone. The only other possibility would be another rival ship in the area that might be monitoring the call. It dawned on me that if someone were eavesdropping, this might be a way to let the other party know to hang up and not say anything to jeapordize the mission.

:Welcome:, Lost108! Great first post and thank you for reading the whole thread. :grin:
Like you, I believe that, unless something nefarious is going on on the ship, Minkowski would be right where he could be reached or whoever answered would wait until he could take the call.

A lot of the talk here is also being discussed on the Who's Ben's "man" on the boat? (http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=87908) thread. Lot's of good theories over there, too. But less Spoiler tags...be warned.

First, I really think that
Ben's thinks that his man is Michael. But I think Minkowski and Regina have Michael in chains because you have to be suspicious of a guy in a boat in the middle of nowhere.
and the reason Minkowski couldn't come to the phone is because
He was putting the hurt on Michael.

Locke108, let me second Guinny in thanking you for actually reading the thread before responding! Major props!

And I am with you--with everything that Minkowski knows to be going down on the island, he'd get to that phone if he possibly could.

So why is Regina now answering the phone? *cue scary music* It doesn't pass the smell test, does it?

A lot of the talk here is also being discussed on the Who's Ben's "man" on the boat? (http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=87908) thread. Lot's of good theories over there, too. But less Spoiler tags...be warned.

First, I really think that
Ben's thinks that his man is Michael. But I think Minkowski and Regina have Michael in chains because you have to be suspicious of a guy in a boat in the middle of nowhere.
and the reason Minkowski couldn't come to the phone is because
He was putting the hurt on Michael.

I like that thinking too. I've never been a fan of Michael is the mole but I like the idea that Ben thinks Michael is working for him. I just can't see a reason for Michael working for him. Why would he? He's already away from Ben, and if he found out the Freighties were wanting to capture Ben, I would think he would work with the Freighties and against Ben.

And I agree, I don't think these Freighties are the type who would just let some stranger walk freely around their ship.

It would be cool if Ben's mole actually turned the tables on him! And the Fall of Ben continues......