You'd think that by now we'd have been given a glimpse of what is happening to the sizeable group of people who are out in the woods someplace still with Richard....

Yeah i know, i was hoping to see them last night. I believe ben said in the season 3 finale to have Richard Alpert lead them to the temple. I can't wait to see what that looks like!

Probally won't see them for a while. Ben told Richard to take the people to the TEMPLE and wait on him for further instructions. Since Ben is out of communication with them, we probally wont see them, until someone finds them.

The Others we know are all dead now, well, except the BookClubbers. They've presumably gone to The Temple, and so until that's revealed we won't see them. And, of course, Alpert won't be seen until the actor is available again.

Yea forget he was busy with that other show. We may have to wait longer than the writers planned.

Yea forget he was busy with that other show. We may have to wait longer than the writers planned.

Uhm, what other show? Also, since when did all the Others die?

The other show is Kaine or Caine or something equally wrestler-sounding.
And the Others were killed in the S3 Finale. We saw some die, and Darlton decided the others had died too.

Uhm, what other show? Also, since when did all the Others die?

not all of them, just the ones we knew and grew to love. nestor carbonell, who plays richard, is starring in "Cane" now with jimmy smits. so returning to him and any story with the others that requires some richard time is a matter of scheduling. much like how we haven't seen michael for a season.

Well, ten died in the beach assault, (Tom said seven, before Hurley shambalaed the rest with the microbus) Don't really know how many that leaves...

i wonder if the big foot will come into play.

I'd like to think that just because Carbonell (sp?) is doing that show Cane, doesn't mean he would turn down a few guest spots on LOST. I'm sure he loves it, and hey, its extra cash. I tihnk TPTB would let him know well in advance and they's get the necessary takes in there somewhere. ;) That's just my "take."

In other words, I definitely want to see Richard again. His story is one of the most intriguing, among the Others.

And the Others were killed in the S3 Finale. We saw some die, and Darlton decided the others had died too.

Do you mean when the raiding party got ambushed at the Beach Camp? That was only a dozen or so people - hardly the mob we saw trekking through the woods with Richard on their way to the temple. Remember Cindy the stewardess, Amelia and Adam from the book club, and the kids who were from the plane, to name a few?

Cindy and the kids aren't necessarily Others. And I already mentioned the BookClubbers. All of the other Others that we know, apart from those with the Losties, obviously, are now dead. Pryce, Tom, Isabel, Bea, Mikhail, Pickett.

Damon Lindelof : "There was a lot of house cleaning going on. There's still a group that's moving towards the temple, but Friendly is dead, and Isabel is dead, and Pryce is dead. Pickett obviously died earlier, Klugh is gone, Mikhail is dead, so you know there are more of us than the Others, we did pretty well in sort of the final tally."

They turned off their walkies and are chilling on the opposite shore beach with some lime and Corona... Dharma Corona this is. ;)

Cindy and the kids aren't necessarily Others.

So I guess that Lostpedia (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Others) calling them Others needs to be corrected???
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They turned off their walkies and are chilling on the opposite shore beach with some lime and Corona... Dharma Corona this is. ;)

Heh! Yeah, and after Vincent gets done playing hijinks on everyone he'll go over and join them.

The big foot seems ancient. The Temple may be close to that.

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So I guess that Lostpedia calling them Others needs to be corrected???


Well, if they've listed them as Others, yes!!!

For what's its worth, I'd call them Others. Cindy seemed pretty indoctrinated to me.

I don't think they're necessarily NOT Others, I just don't think we have anywhere near enough information to assume they are.

When Jack suggested Cindy was with them now her response was that "It's not that simple", so it would appear Cindy isn't too convinced either.

I don't remember Isabel's death. Is she part of the attack on the camp?

I don't remember Isabel's death. Is she part of the attack on the camp?


No she was just stated to be dead by TPTB.

To Lucidity, I realize she said that and all, but somehow I still think she's more completely indoctrinated by now. Just a hunch. She seemed too spacey and distant in that scene to me.

EDIT: Actually, I dunno...

JS,
Like I say, I agree that there's reason to suspect - there's also the fact that she disappeared from the trek without making a noise, suggesting she might have slipped off voluntarily. All I'm saying is that we can't assume the Tailies are all Others now. Wonder, yes. Suspect even. But not assume they are. In spite of what whoever edited the LostPedia article last might think ! :biggrin:

I think the combination of the deaths of all the "main" Others and Ben's capture signifies a huge power shift to the Losties. The Others are so depleted they don't even pose a major threat anymore. Having said that, I think TPTB keeping Alpert alive shows he will play a greater role down the road.

It's a tough call with Cindy and the children. I think the native children are Others, but not necessarily the children taken from the tail section. I don't know what to think of Cindy. Ever since she "disappeared" from the jungle I didn't trust her.

I guess it depends on what we the viewer classify as an Other. Is it only the island natives and the people they hire to do work for them? One can even argue that Locke is an Other now.

The other show is Kaine or Caine or something equally wrestler-sounding. And the Others were killed in the S3 Finale. We saw some die, and Darlton decided the others had died too.

Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems to me like all the Others who died were all recruits brought there by Ben. They were Ben's army-those who he chose. And they seemed to be more than willing to die for his cause.

That leaves the group that were made up of the natives and other people who have crashed or shipwrecked on the island's shores over the years. They are the group that the Island chose. They went with Richard to the Temple which is probably a place of safety. Maybe where the natives hid from the Dharma people. Ben knew the freighter was coming and that they wanted him. If he stayed with the natives, they would be in danger too.

You'd think that by now we'd have been given a glimpse of what is happening to the sizeable group of people who are out in the woods someplace still with Richard....By now? It's only the second episode! Be patient. We found out what happened to the three groups of characters in the finale, watched them unite just to split into two groups and separate again, and we've been introduced to four new characters who have all had flashbacks already. There was a flashforward, we saw Jacob, we saw Christian Shepherd, someone we thought was dead came back to life only to die again and we saw someone else take a bullet to the torso and survive. It took half a season to accomplish all that last year.

It seems like the others are on the backburner now. I hope they don't do like the tailies and just kill them off except for ben and juilet, they were to big of a story for the first 3 seasons to just have them fade away.

Lobby,
I don't know if there's any way of knowing which Others were recruited by Ben and which were "inherited", but I'd say you're right in saying that those who have been killed off were his footsoldiers, so to speak.

I remember Damon & Carlton saying in a podcast that they wanted to use Richard Alpert more but that the actor Nestor wasn't available because he was on Cane, as someone else already pointed out. Well, according to the LA Times, Cane might be one of the casualties of the strike: http://www.latimes.com/business/la-striketvgrid-html,0,7606966.htmlstory

If this is true, Nestor's schedule might have just cleared up!

So, just to underscore that there are many Others who were not blown up in the Beach Camp raid, or killed from other assorted ways, here's a screencap (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Minor_Others.jpg) of some of the minor "extra" actors playing Others. And here's another screencap (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=97032&fullsize=1) of part of the camp of the Others on their way to the Temple. This is NOT a small group of people.

The Others we know are all dead now, well, except the BookClubbers. They've presumably gone to The Temple, and so until that's revealed we won't see them. And, of course, Alpert won't be seen until the actor is available again.
yeah that sucks hes not available for lost, Since we dont know what happened with him, he was in that island when ben was a kid, he hasnt really aged, wtf is he,where is he from? But I guess you need the actor to be in the show to explain all these things.

:mad::mad:

Saukkomies >
So, just to underscore that there are many Others who were not blown up in the Beach Camp raid, or killed from other assorted ways, here's a screencap (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Minor_Others.jpg) of some of the minor "extra" actors playing Others. And here's another screencap (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=97032&fullsize=1) of part of the camp of the Others on their way to the Temple. This is NOT a small group of people.


I may be totally wrong, and if I am please ignore this post. But I get the feeling you're trying to win some kind of argument or make some point. Your original question was why we weren't seeing what the Others were up to, and my answer still stands. The Others we know, not "know of", the ones we have seen events through, are all dead except :
Ben, Juliet, Alex and Karl, who are with the Losties
Richard Alpert, who can't appear because of acting issues

And then, as I said from the beginning, there are the BookClubbers, but we have never been shown anything from their perspective. They are non-player characters, so to speak, glorified Redshirts. And Cindy and the kids, I wouldn't class as Others, but even if they were, again, their story is about being missing, us wondering where they are. It's not strange at all that we haven't seen them because they haven't appeared since the first half of S3.

The point is, there isn't an Other, other than Alpert, that we have been introduced to and can now be asking ourselves why we're not being told what he is up to.

I may be totally wrong, and if I am please ignore this post. But I get the feeling you're trying to win some kind of argument or make some point. Your original question was why we weren't seeing what the Others were up to, and my answer still stands. The Others we know, not "know of", the ones we have seen events through, are all dead except :
Ben, Juliet, Alex and Karl, who are with the Losties
Richard Alpert, who can't appear because of acting issues

And then, as I said from the beginning, there are the BookClubbers, but we have never been shown anything from their perspective. They are non-player characters, so to speak, glorified Redshirts. And Cindy and the kids, I wouldn't class as Others, but even if they were, again, their story is about being missing, us wondering where they are. It's not strange at all that we haven't seen them because they haven't appeared since the first half of S3.

The point is, there isn't an Other, other than Alpert, that we have been introduced to and can now be asking ourselves why we're not being told what he is up to.

Hmm. Maybe we're both trying to make a point, Lucidity... :rolleyes:

No, you asked a question, and I took the time to answer it. I had nothing to gain by doing so. I was just trying to share some knowledge, as we usually do round here. But you have tried again and again to question some aspect of what I am saying. What am I supposed to do, let you make out that I am wrong when I know I am not?

Obviously, it goes without saying that the next time I see a question from you I'll know not to bother you with the answer. :rolleyes:

The point is, there isn't an Other, other than Alpert, that we have been introduced to and can now be asking ourselves why we're not being told what he is up to.

No, you asked a question, and I took the time to answer it. I had nothing to gain by doing so. I was just trying to share some knowledge, as we usually do round here. But you have tried again and again to question some aspect of what I am saying. What am I supposed to do, let you make out that I am wrong when I know I am not?

Obviously, it goes without saying that the next time I see a question from you I'll know not to bother you with the answer. :rolleyes:

So, when you use the words: "The Point is..." you are not making a point yourself?

I respect your right to your opinion, Lucidity, but for myself I am always very reluctant to tell someone here in the Fuselage that I will no longer talk to them - in fact, I've never done that. I think that is not a very nice thing to say. We're just having a chat, and if we seem to be getting under one another's skin, it's my experience that that means we probably are very similar type people. So, you are free to cast me in a particular mold to suit your preconceived notions about "certain people", and then go happily on your way confident in being "right" and "fair", or you may admit that perhaps you too were one-half of the conflict, take your ego down a notch and try to see that on the other end of this keyboard is a human being with quirks, fallacies and who is actually apologizing to you for any unhappy feelings or bitterness you may have had as a result of our discourse. Please accept my apology - sometimes I come across as a Caliban, when in fact all I really am is a regular guy just like anyone else.

Just my two cents.... I am interested in what the others are up to whether we have lived the show through their eyes yet or not. The significance is not who they are, but that are invloved in some aspect of Bens future plans. He had the left over tribe on the move.....and I am interested as to where and why.

I thought in a podcast or somewhere I heard that Caine was filming at an ABC studio even though it's on another network, and they may be able to use Richard at some point regardless of that shows running. I hope, cause we have waited to long for closure on Michael.

what about the" other Others" (the kids w/the teddy bear in the woods)
what about all the people at Juliets hearing?
was Isabel the one who "translated" Jacks tatoos?
How did she die?

I've always assumed that there were perhaps between 10 and 20 largely nameless Others left who, along with Richard, where on their way to the Temple.
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No, you asked a question, and I took the time to answer it. I had nothing to gain by doing so.


Sure ya did.

Lostpedia has a list of Others and their alive/dead status.
Yes there may be some we have not been introduced to yet, but I doubt at this point any will become major players in the Lost story.
I was actually amazed to see all of the Others that our Losties have manged to get rid of!!! Then you have Juliet, Karl, ans Alex who are ex-pats. The number really adds up when you see it on one page.

Where are Richard and the remaining Others- presumably on their way to the temple.

I remember Damon & Carlton saying in a podcast that they wanted to use Richard Alpert more but that the actor Nestor wasn't available because he was on Cane, as someone else already pointed out. Well, according to the LA Times, Cane might be one of the casualties of the strike: http://www.latimes.com/business/la-striketvgrid-html,0,7606966.htmlstory

If this is true, Nestor's schedule might have just cleared up!

I caught that article yesterday too. It made me hopeful that once the strike finally ends and the Lost writers can go back to work, TPTB may indeed find out that Nestor is suddenly available again. Of course, I'm also hopeful that TPTB worked something out schedule-wise with the producers of "Cane." If so, then it's still possible that they'll revisit Richard's side of the storyline and the trek to the Temple somewhere in the next 6 episodes. And if not, I guess we'll have to wait 'til the Back 8 to find out.

I remember Damon & Carlton saying in a podcast that they wanted to use Richard Alpert more but that the actor Nestor wasn't available because he was on Cane, as someone else already pointed out. Well, according to the LA Times, Cane might be one of the casualties of the strike: http://www.latimes.com/business/la-striketvgrid-html,0,7606966.htmlstory

If this is true, Nestor's schedule might have just cleared up!

I'm ashamed to say I'm really happy to hear this. Nestor deserves a starring role in a show but I love Richard Alpert so much I'm going to let myself be selfish. Maybe he could play a greater role in the show so Lost could keep him around longer. He is the only Other we really know now.

i wouldn't be surprised if they get back to the others in season 5. this season is all about the freighties, or "the bad guys" according to the others. kind of like in The Wire, they show bits and pieces of the Barksdale gang in season 2 after he was convicted, then in season 3 he became the main focus again.

I hope that we see the others again this season. It's unreasonable to think that they aren't doing something to try and get Ben back, and I'd like to see what that is.

One of my biggest questions about the whole show is where did the Others come from, and how did they come to be on the island? Also, I was extremely interested to see where they were going.

I have no doubt that they are going to get back around to it eventually, but I'm also worried a little because all my big mysteries are now having to take a back seat to other new mysteries.

The lack of a character among the Others that we know makes me think that we may be introduced to new characters among their group. For example, there could be an important "Other" already at the temple who we'll meet. Who knows?

i seem to remember there being more....if he is teh last, where are the kids?

The rest of the Others have gone to the temple. But at the mo we don't know what or where that is...

Ben is the last surviving member of the Dharma initiative, but switched his loyalties to the natives so perhaps he knows even more about everything than he is letting on (Typical). Don't forget he spent a long time waiting before he took part in the "purge" and would have gathered information about what Dharma were using the island for.

I think Abbadon will show his face on the island at some point and shoot laser beams from his HUGE eyes !

He is proper scary...

i seem to remember there being more....if he is teh last, where are the kids?

No. There are still Cindy, and Richard( make sure to catch him in "Dark Knight"movie), and the children. I sure there are more,but like GenX they all move to the temple. I think they might return and have Locke as their knew leader.

I hope the Hindu looking temple from the picture on find815 ARG is the temple on the island.....may explain why the Hanso/Dharma guys use 'Namaste' all the time...

Ben is the last surviving member of the Dharma initiative...

How do you know that? There seems to be (from what I can gather) a possibility of perhaps three of four other Others who may have been Dharma people who went over to the Hostiles before the Purge. And we don't know where Ben's childhood sweetheart Annie is or if she's alive or not, either. Here (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Portal:The_Others) is a Lostpedia page on the Others that goes into this in more detail.

I think Ben IS the last member of the Dharma initiative, he did what he had to in order to survive. I think Ben was sort their inside man in Dharma, so they could plan the purge, as before young Ben met Alpert in the jungle, they hostiles just sort of 'raided' the Dharma camp, thats what it looks like in Ben's flashbacks anyway. What puzzles me is why they want him. I hope he lives, he is key in solving the mysteries of the island.

I think Ben IS the last member of the Dharma initiative, he did what he had to in order to survive.

However, thinking something and having it be so are two different things. What is the evidence that suggests to you that Ben is the only surviving DHARMA member? The fact that Ben helped the Hostiles during the Purge does not mean that there were no other DHARMA conspirators as well. In fact, Ben once said that there WERE other DHARMA members who saw which side was going to win and made sure they were on the right side (meaning the Hostiles' side). So this would be evidence to say that Ben was NOT the only DHARMA person to escape the Purge. There are also DHARMA people who were probably not on the Island when the Purge took place.

If you could please show us where you're getting your idea that Ben is the only DHARMA person left, it would help in supporting your theory. Otherwise, from what I've seen, it is pretty clear that Ben is NOT the only DHARMA person left.

.In fact, Ben once said that there WERE other DHARMA members who saw which side was going to win and made sure they were on the right side (meaning the Hostiles' side).

Was this is the conversation between Ben and Locke before Ben shot him? I must have missed that.

You have a good point there, there could have been other Dharma people off - island involved. I stand corrected lol. I just thought he was the only person left, that being said, he still could be, as we have seen since the Losties arrival on island, many have died, and also many pregnant women before that.

Was this is the conversation between Ben and Locke before Ben shot him? I must have missed that.

Yes. This is a direct quote from the transcript from episode 03.20 (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/The_Man_Behind_the_Curtain_transcript) (The Man Behind the Curtain). It is what Ben told Locke just immediately before he shot him and left him to die in the mass grave:

BEN: This is where I came from, John. These are my people. The DHARMA Initiative. They came here seeking harmony, but they couldn't even coexist with the Island's original inhabitants. And when it became clear that one side had to go, one side had to be purged, I did what I had to do. I was one of the people that was smart enough to make sure that I didn't end up in that ditch, which makes me considerably smarter than you, John.

So you can see that from this it is a pretty safe assumption to think that Ben was saying that there were other DHARMA people besides himself who joined the Hostiles.

You have a good point there, there could have been other Dharma people off - island involved. I stand corrected lol. I just thought he was the only person left, that being said, he still could be, as we have seen since the Losties arrival on island, many have died, and also many pregnant women before that.

Some possible DHARMA people who were on the Island might include the following:

Adam (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Adam_%28Other%29)
Amelia (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Amelia)
The Molotov Woman (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Molotov_Woman)
The Twins (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/The_Twins_%28The_Others%29)

There were other Others than this, though, that we were shown in distant shots (played by extras). There's a shot of some of them in the camp below where Locke and Richard spoke at the time Richard gave him the dossier on Sawyer. These people were not all involved in the raid on the Beach Camp (those people all got killed).

Now, some of the DHARMA people who may have been off Island during the Purge (and who may still be alive) might include the following:

Gerald DeGroot (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Gerald_DeGroot)
Karen DeGroot (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Karen_DeGroot)
Marvin Candle (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Marvin_Candle)
Annie (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Annie)

I see. I certainly stand corrected lol. This has very strong evidence. But when you say the possible people from Dharma, what made you choose those people? [the on island ones], because these seem quite random people. I'm not saying this is wrong or anything, it's very plausable, I'm just curious as to why those people? The Molotov Woman and The Twins are very random lol.

I see. I certainly stand corrected lol. This has very strong evidence. But when you say the possible people from Dharma, what made you choose those people? [the on island ones], because these seem quite random people. I'm not saying this is wrong or anything, it's very plausable, I'm just curious as to why those people? The Molotov Woman and The Twins are very random lol.

Well, I always feel sorta reluctant to be the person who "corrected" another person's theories. I always like to think of this as a dialogue of people who are comparing notes. I certainly have been completely wrong on numerous occasions here in the Fuselage, so please don't feel like I'm trying to score points or anything.

The reason I chose those people was because they are still (as far as we know) alive, and they are people who are listed as belonging to The Others whom we do not know for sure were originally Hostiles. In fact, we only know of one person FOR SURE who was one of the original Hostiles, and that is Richard. They did show some people in the Barracks compound on the day of the Purge who were helping to gas all the DHARMA people, but we don't know for certain that they were original Hostiles, or whether they (like Ben) had jumped ship from being DHARMA people first before going over to the other side to join the Hostiles for the Purge. The reason we know Richard is an original Hostile is because of his encounter with young Ben in the forest that one time.

I think Ben was sort their inside man in Dharma, so they could plan the purge.

I believe this to be true as well. Ben gave them all the information they needed to succeed, including the code to turn off the fence so they could penetrate the village faster. Actually, they probably turned it back on once they were in just in case some Dharma members tried to escape.

Also, I'm curious to find out what, if any, Dharma members changed sides. I think it's a very minor point and probably won't be covered, but it would feed my curiosity. They never did show how Tom, Pryce, and Pickett became members of Ben's team, just to name a few.

Well, I always feel sorta reluctant to be the person who "corrected" another person's theories. I always like to think of this as a dialogue of people who are comparing notes. I certainly have been completely wrong on numerous occasions here in the Fuselage, so please don't feel like I'm trying to score points or anything.

Oh gosh no, of course I don't feel that lol. 'Comparing notes', very nicely put :)

Your theory certainly seems to make sense, you appear to research a lot more than I do on these subjects. I don't really go too far into finding evidence for my theory, mostly I base them on what I've read here. I find researching, or delving deeper into what we see on screen to be really confusing.

On the Dharma people who changed sides to the hostiles with Ben, I feel, as I said previosuly that Ben was their inside man, and mabye the other 'side-switchers' from Dharma simply left and joined, rather than staying and being 'inside' as Ben was. This may explain why Ben is the only official 'Dharma' person we [or just me] saw during the purge.

I was watching the Season 3 premiere recently and I was struck how many normal-seeming, middle-aged suburbanite-type Others there were in Juliet's book club that we have not seen again. They were not among the commando-type Others who took part in the attack on Lostaway Beach. Perhaps the older woman who was seen in the recent podcast, talking to Juliet before the book club meeting, will be seen again.

On a related note, "Cane" has been cancelled!

On a related note, "Cane" has been cancelled!


Nice!

Um, I mean, too bad for them, but that's just one less thing to stand in the way of more Lost and more Richard Alpert!

I was watching the Season 3 premiere recently and I was struck how many normal-seeming, middle-aged suburbanite-type Others there were in Juliet's book club that we have not seen again. They were not among the commando-type Others who took part in the attack on Lostaway Beach. Perhaps the older woman who was seen in the recent podcast, talking to Juliet before the book club meeting, will be seen again.

Yes, thanks! This is how I feel exactly. People seem to be under the assumption that all of the Others except for Richard and Ben were wiped out during the botched Beach Camp raid at the end of last season. But there are LOTS of Others whom we've seen, not only in the Book Club scene, but during the trek to the Temple within the camp. There are basically three sizeable groups at this point in time on the Island: Locke's, Jack's, and those Others who are with Richard. Let's not forget about them... I have a feeling they'll be playing a role in the future.

As far as Ben goes, he is the focus of a lot of attention in the plot because due to his persuasive personality and leadership skills he rose to dominate the Others over everyone else, including Richard, who seems to me to have been the one who was most dominant before Ben came along. I also think that it's because he can talk to Jacob.

Also, it seems like Ben may have recruited an unknown number of people after the Purge. Juliet is one example.
When Ben said that he was one of the ones smart enough to stay out of the ditch, he might have meant that he was smart enough to know which side to be on...the other smart ones would be the rest of the Hostiles.

So Ben zips off trying to save the island. He leaves 30(?) people (Others). Where are they? Are they wondering what happened to Mr. Friendly and the boys? Did they hear the helicopter? Are they "in play" in the story anymore?

They are hiding at the TEMPLE

Also, it seems like Ben may have recruited an unknown number of people after the Purge. Juliet is one example.
When Ben said that he was one of the ones smart enough to stay out of the ditch, he might have meant that he was smart enough to know which side to be on...the other smart ones would be the rest of the Hostiles.

You're of course entirely free to interpret Ben's statement that way, but I interpret it as saying that he was one of the DHARMA people who were smart enough to see which side to choose to stay out of the ditch. This means he would not have been the only sole DHARMA person to have sided with the Hostiles. The Hostiles were already on the side that was going to stay out of the ditch - it seems that Ben was refering to himself and other DHARMA people who were smart enough to see it that way and switched alliances to insure they survived the Purge that was coming.

I have not seen it discussed anywhere and maybe I am just stupid and missed something that I should have caught but...where are the surviving members of the "others" along with Cindy and the kids (and the sheriff for that matter). Did they go to the other island? If this is common knowledge then forgive me but I am curious as to where they are.:undecide:

I have not seen it discussed anywhere and maybe I am just stupid and missed something that I should have caught but...where are the surviving members of the "others" along with Cindy and the kids (and the sheriff for that matter). Did they go to the other island? If this is common knowledge then forgive me but I am curious as to where they are.:undecide:


Last we heard, Richard was leading them to "the temple", which is someplace we haven't seen before. I'm sure it will all be cleared up in Season 5.

They went to "the temple" or "the ruins" or something like that when Ben went to head off Jack's group at the radio tower.

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=88875This thread has already been started under "Where are they?"

I think this story got put on the back-burner for a little while because the actor who portrays the second most prominent Other, Richard Alpert, isn't available to film.

If his new show "Cane" gets the axe (as many new shows are expected to after the strike) we may get a look at the Temple in the second half of Season 4.

Here's hoping!

Saukkomies, my nemesis.

I also think Ben isn't the last surviving member of Dharma Initiative.

There was a long debate threat at season 3 - "Why was Mikhail wearing a Dharma uniform?" He was wearing it before he even knew Losties were about to wonder to his cabin, and he was just wearing it because it fit him well?

I think there are other members of DI alive on the island, and many more off the island. One of them being Mikhail (who will return with a vengeance - he died already many times, confirming he died at the grenade explosion doesn't mean he won't return).

Saukkomies, my nemesis.

Heipa, Heppa Mies! I hope I'm not really your nemesis! Perhaps just your evil twin. :)

I also think Ben isn't the last surviving member of Dharma Initiative.

There was a long debate threat at season 3 - "Why was Mikhail wearing a Dharma uniform?" He was wearing it before he even knew Losties were about to wonder to his cabin, and he was just wearing it because it fit him well?

I think there are other members of DI alive on the island, and many more off the island. One of them being Mikhail (who will return with a vengeance - he died already many times, confirming he died at the grenade explosion doesn't mean he won't return).

Yeah, I think Mikhail will return - he's like that other Russian mystical dude who was tough to kill - Rasputin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasputin).

Has anyone ever wondered if they are going to pick up what Richard Alpert and the rest of the Other's are doing? I would think they would be involved in the story someday!

It would be interesting to hear ya'lls idea on what they are doing.

They could be sitting around campfires roasting Dharma marshmallows!

Well last we heard they were heading to the temples. It has only been a few days since they started there, so they may not even be aware of all the deaths and what has transpired. I am sure they will pop up a little later, Locke will find them I would think

The actor playing Alpert is not full time available at the moment, so they can't do much with his character, according to TPTB.

Richard and the other Others are "parked" at the Temple. They may stay "parked" for the entire season. Or not.

It would be great if Richard, the Book Club, Cindy, Emma and Zack swarmed in at the last minute to save the Lostaways!

But I'm also curious to see the Temple.

I suspect that the temple they're heading for is deep underground. They wont be found if they dont want to be.
I dont think we'll hear from them for quit awhile.

I think this topic was being discussed already in one of the other episode threads of this season, cause I remember saying that I thought they'd be looking for Ben. i can't see them just sitting around doing nothing.

In a semi-related note. Where are all of the other Losties that stayed with Jack and Kate? Not all of them went with Locke did they? So I guess they're just staying at the plane, patiently waiting? It doesn't make sense in real life, but I guess for the sake of TV it makes some sense for all of them not to be with Jack and Kate now.

In a semi-related note. Where are all of the other Losties that stayed with Jack and Kate? Not all of them went with Locke did they? So I guess they're just staying at the plane, patiently waiting? It doesn't make sense in real life, but I guess for the sake of TV it makes some sense for all of them not to be with Jack and Kate now.

I think it makes a quasi amount of sense. They said desmond was at the beach, so they sent for him. Not everyone needs to be running through the jungle, I think it makes sense for a majority to be waiting at a very open, easy to locate location.

Richard and the other Others are "parked" at the Temple. They may stay "parked" for the entire season. Or not.
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But I'm also curious to see the Temple.

I think they're in the foot. It's the only thing we've seen so far that could even come close to being called a "temple". And the foot hasn't been revisited since its first appearance. WTF is that foot???

I think it makes a quasi amount of sense. They said desmond was at the beach, so they sent for him. Not everyone needs to be running through the jungle, I think it makes sense for a majority to be waiting at a very open, easy to locate location.

I think we've learned that "easy to locate location" and this island do not go together. ;)

Maybe it's the rabbits from Season 3 but something about Ben reminds me of Brer Rabbit. Ole Brer Rabbit was craftier than either Brer Fox or Brer Bear, and he always managed to survive. I have so far only seen that last bit of this episode where Ben talks his way out of being shot by Locke. Brer Ben seems to have a rather charmed life...I wonder if he will try the "don't throw me into the briar patch" trick...

They were such a driving force the last two seasons. Now that they've seemingly suffered a defeat and are retreating to the Temple. And all the others loyal to Ben were picked off last season so their camp might be in a state of chaos. I'm interested in the reaction at the others' camp to the incident in the Looking Glass and Hurley's taunts in TTLG. I wonder what their reaction is to the freighter. I know the focus of this season will be the freighties and it will probably be a while before the others are heard from again.

I'm so glad you posted that, and I'm surprised others haven't commented on it. This is one of my biggest disappointments so far. They spent so much time revealing who they were, and then poof! they're gone. They are introducing so many new questions, and they really haven't answered any of the old ones yet. It's kind of frustrating. I still want to know who the others are and how they came to be on the island.

Maybe we just need to be patient, I'm sure they will get to it. But it's human nature to be curious, and they knew that a ship was going to land people on the island, and they knew that Ben had not returned to meet them.

I kind of thought they might show a brief scene where the Others are at the temple waiting on Ben, and they have an argument over whether to keep waiting on him, or to go and find him.

I read a post on another thread where someone was bemoaning the fact that the reunion scene between Danielle and Alex was basically nothing after a huge buildup the previous seasons. That seems weak to me, and I hope the Others don't get the same treatment.

Cindy's character for example, seems ripe for a storyline. Why did she so readily choose to stay with them? How will she react now knowing a helicopter is there that could take her back to her life? Does she know Frank? Will Frank inquire if any of the crew are still alive since he presumably knows some of them?

They were such a driving force the last two seasons. Now that they've seemingly suffered a defeat and are retreating to the Temple. And all the others loyal to Ben were picked off last season so their camp might be in a state of chaos. I'm interested in the reaction at the others' camp to the incident in the Looking Glass and Hurley's taunts in TTLG. I wonder what their reaction is to the freighter. I know the focus of this season will be the freighties and it will probably be a while before the others are heard from again.

I agree with you. I wanted to know what was going on. But seeing as the only Others who are alive are Ben, Richard, Cindy and the kids, I wonder if there's really the potential to have a Temple piece fit in...especially with the intro of the freighties, because now they're a driving force. Of course, there are probably "redshirt Others" as well. ;)

I think we'll be hearing more from the remaining Others, and the Temple this season. It's just not a priority right now; there's so much other story telling to do here. Plus, Im in the camp that think Frank and Cindy are going to know each other.

Let's keep our fingers crossed; Ive been so curious about this Temple!

Definitely, there have only been three episodes. We'll see them eventually.

I think they'll have to introduce new others because all the other members of the community have been killed off or gotten other shows on different networks. I'm interested to see their reaction to the events of TTLG because I got the feeling that was the first time they had suffered a defeat. I dont think they're going to terrorize the losties anymore. I don't think the losties will fear them as much having killed 10-11 of them.

Definitely, there have only been three episodes. We'll see them eventually.

Exactly. It's still early in the season.

I am eager to see them and learn their stories, though.

Exactly. It's still early in the season.

I am eager to see them and learn their stories, though.

Now I want a Cindy flashback...kind of like The Other 48 Days, but how Cindy came to be with them.

They are in a hatch discussing the numbers and playing fetch with the smoke monster.

I think we'll be hearing more from the remaining Others, and the Temple this season. It's just not a priority right now; there's so much other story telling to do here. Plus, Im in the camp that think Frank and Cindy are going to know each other.

Let's keep our fingers crossed; Ive been so curious about this Temple!

I like that line of thinking! It would only make sense that Cindy and Lapidus would know each other. If he was supposed to have flown 815, him and Cindy may have flown the Sydney to LA flight and the returning flight many times together.

The only real "Other" that we are real familiar with is Richard, and he's got some questions about him, primarily his aging, or lack there of. So I'm sure they'll get to the story eventually, but right now all their doing is hiking to a Temple to hide from the Freighter, supposedly. So I don't think that would be that interesting. The only other time we've seen the Others is when someone of interest was with them, and they're all with the Losties now or dead. Be patient, we'll get to them eventually!

As for how many "Others" there are, well The Losties have definitely thinned their ranks, but there could also be more off island. Like Mikhail said to Bonnie and Greta, "I thought you 2 were on assignment in Canada". So there could be many more on assignment in many places off island.

Less we be reminded they were in the middle of building a runway before they left?


A RUNWAY? If Ben can travel around the world through some type of portal, because the mini-sub just isn't plausible for those distances, why were they building a runway?

Is it true that "Cane" got cancelled? I heard it did. I know it's bad to feel good about that, but that may be good news for our story.

I'm so glad you posted that, and I'm surprised others haven't commented on it. This is one of my biggest disappointments so far. They spent so much time revealing who they were, and then poof! they're gone. They are introducing so many new questions, and they really haven't answered any of the old ones yet. It's kind of frustrating. I still want to know who the others are and how they came to be on the island. Yeah, last season was supposed to be "all about" the Others, but we still don't know what their purpose is on the island after the massacre of the Dharma people.

I read a post on another thread where someone was bemoaning the fact that the reunion scene between Danielle and Alex was basically nothing after a huge buildup the previous seasons. That seems weak to me, and I hope the Others don't get the same treatment. I thought the Danielle/Alex reunion was great. They showed Danielle's anxiety about it in TMFT when she hid and observed her, and in her conversation with Kate where she revealed her worries about Alex not knowing that she loved her. And what better first line to her than "Help me tie him up?" Perfect for Danielle.

Cindy's character for example, seems ripe for a storyline. Why did she so readily choose to stay with them? How will she react now knowing a helicopter is there that could take her back to her life? Does she know Frank? Will Frank inquire if any of the crew are still alive since he presumably knows some of them? Wow, I hadn't thought about that - they probably do know each other. Fascinating.

Also, now that Team Locke has seemingly moved into the bungalows in Otherville, what is going to be the reaction when the remaining Others come home? I imagine there would be another battle, since they won't take kindly to the people who killed 8-10 of their own move into their houses.

Less we be reminded they were in the middle of building a runway before they left?


A RUNWAY? If Ben can travel around the world through some type of portal, because the mini-sub just isn't plausible for those distances, why were they building a runway?

The runway is for the aliens......

Just Kidding!:cool:

What about Aldo? Is he still gaurding Room 23?

What about Aldo? Is he still gaurding Room 23?

According to Lostpedia, Aldo's dead.

We havent even heard from the others in 3 episodes. They all were traveling to some "temple" and abandoned the barracks, leaving Locke's team to move in.

Also, Nestor Carbonell, the actor who played Richard Alpert, is not coming back to replay the role. So, with him gone, Ben captured, and all the beach assault party dead, how will the others go on?

good point...:undecide:

According to Lostpedia, Aldo's dead.
We still have to see how Isabel and Aldo died, guess that's for a flashback.

We havent even heard from the others in 3 episodes. They all were traveling to some "temple" and abandoned the barracks, leaving Locke's team to move in.

Also, Nestor Carbonell, the actor who played Richard Alpert, is not coming back to replay the role. So, with him gone, Ben captured, and all the beach assault party dead, how will the others go on?

Nestor may still be back this season to play Richard. Cane hasn't been renewed for this season and may not be back in the fall. The only thing keeping TPTB from an an "Others" episode would be the time constraints from losing 3 episodes this season.

We still have to see how Isabel and Aldo died, guess that's for a flashback.

That was during the beach raid...I'm pretty sure they mentioned that on the DVDs or something.

Yeah, I guess the time constraints thing is pretty big, and if they're going to show them they probably want to do it right.

I thought they might show a scene where the Others are basically waiting around at the temple getting anxious because they haven't heard from Ben yet. They don't know what's going on, and there's been a lot of recent turmoil. I thought they might show them contemplating what to do next. Could be a quick scene.

The last three episodes have been a series of hours, not days. So we still have time. :)

I think people aren't used to the pace this show has taken. It's only the day after Charlie died, Naomi was shot and the Others were blown to smithereens.

We havent even heard from the others in 3 episodes. They all were traveling to some "temple" and abandoned the barracks, leaving Locke's team to move in.

Also, Nestor Carbonell, the actor who played Richard Alpert, is not coming back to replay the role. So, with him gone, Ben captured, and all the beach assault party dead, how will the others go on?

The reason we aren't seeing the Others, is because the main Others - Juliet and Ben - are with the Losties. Once their paths cross, we will see them again, that's what I imagine. Presumably when they come to rescue Ben, or when Ben takes John to them, possibly the temple or something.

I was thinking about this today, so far this season we have not seen all of the others. We haven't seen the kids or anyone abducted by them, and it appears they haven't tried to take Ben back (it seems like they could want to try to get him back), also they haven't tried to make a counter attack since Mr. Friendly and the rest of the others were killed. Everyone is concerned with getting off the island but it seems like no one else has thought of this huge plot hole in my opinion. Maybe this has already been commented on but I am very interested to read people's thoughts.

I personally think we might see them in the last 5 episodes, in the episodes filmed before the writers strike Nestor Carbonell (richard) was working on 'Cane'. Now thats been cancelled hopefully he'll be available and appearing in the last 5 episodes with the rest of the others!

just my thoughts!!

Just a reference to the earlier "Who else was in DHARMA bar Ben talk." I'm pretty sure Tom was one of the people Ben was referring to when he spoke to Locke in "Man Behind the Curtain."

Reason 1 - He quotes Alvar Hanso from TLE in his "line" speech to Jack and co in Season 2, something about "man being blessed with curiosity" I think it was.

Reason 2 - He mentioned to Sawyer in early Season 3 that the bears worked out the Hydra cage 'puzzle' in an hour. How else would he know that? My guess is he was working for DHARMA before the purge.

Reason 3 - Seemed to be Ben's closet ally, which I think is because they go way back and worked together maybe, possibly to bring DHARMA down from the inside.

All speculative on my part of course!

Where did they all go? Where are Harper and the Others hanging out? How many of them are left? Ben acknowledged they were still around, but it almost seems like the disappeared?

They're at the Temple.

That's right. I wonder why they have been relatively silent? What is their plan? Are they waiting for Ben? Do they want off the island?

The temple. On how many i think there are the ones we now and more we haven't seen yet.

I have been wondering this myself. I want to see Richard again! Anyhow Ben mentioned he had a plan, perhaps they are waiting to get Ben's orders.

Ben said he always has a plan and I wonder what those people at the Temple are up to? I wonder if the whole freighter deal is a ruse or con by Ben and the others. They have staged the whole thing for some reason.

Ben said he always has a plan and I wonder what those people at the Temple are up to? I wonder if the whole freighter deal is a ruse or con by Ben and the others. They have staged the whole thing for some reason.

Someone posted all the similarities to Shakespeare's "The Tempest." One of those being that there are three different factions in the play. Well we have three different factions on the island:

1- The Others (at the Temple)
2- Team Locke
3- Team Jack

What was interesting is that Ben said that if the Others wanted him back they would have stormed New Otherton by now. They haven't becasue as we saw at the end of S3 they have become disillusioned with Ben.

What upsets me is that they've just now introduced this other other, Harper, who was there all along, and was always planned for, yes she was, and now she's going to be a recognisable face when we see the rest of the others; Richard... and uh. Yeah. Richard and Harper, that's the others.

They went to the Temple O' Toes. Except for the 10 or 11 that got killed on the beach. Mostly men. That means about only 30 Others left? Bet Locke is looking even better to Cindy and the Other ladies by now. Harper said Benry is where he wants to be, so no need to 'rescue' him.

There's Richard, Harper and Cindy, thses are the others.
I wonder what happened to those others we lost track of?

I believe the "temple" is the whole underneath of the Island

I apologize if this has already been mentioned, but Nestor has also been busy working on The Dark Knight and (possibly) the third installment of that trilogy.

It's a shame Lost can't use him right now, I liked Richard.

Im not sure if this question has come up before or not but I have to ask since it is bugging me.
Where are the rest of the Others? I know ben sent them to the temple but wouldn't they at least send someone to follow him to make sure that he was alright? or do you think Ben was actually telling the truth last week when he said they could care less about him?

I know by sending them to the "temple" the writers successfully added one of the most popular characters to the group giving them a situation that can make successfull televison while getting rid of the eliment that slowed down the show last season. thus allowing it to move forward at a reasonable pace.

But are to believe that these characters "The Others" that followed ben everywhere just based on his word alone, would simply abandon their leader like this? Im not so sure, but I do hope they tie this all together very soon, or atleast give us an explanation. Let me know if I overlooked anything, thanks