View Full Version : Hurley as a Trap....
MinnieVanMommie 02-14-2008, 10:44 PM So Apparently Hurley chose Lockes group and than chose Jacks....itmt he is working for Lockes group....I wonder what made him change his mind based on his flash fowards...
I cant beleive that Hurley would do that to his friends....
They have clearly defined their lines in this epi...ready to kill their friends.....
Jack Sawyer 02-14-2008, 11:01 PM Im still digesting it all, but it seemed to me at first a big leap ... all this animosity. Sure, they chose sides, but when Hurley first met up with Sayid, I had a hard time understanding how they could feel this way towards each other, and the only reason Hurley offered was "i saw you break that dude's neck."
I dunno...like I said, Im still digesting. I would have expected Hurley, or whomever, to be more like "Locke, whats going here, why are we taking our friends hostage? Perhaps there more to see before we can fully understand.
Bella 02-14-2008, 11:25 PM I've never been mad at Hurley before... until tonight.
Eight 02-14-2008, 11:33 PM Why are you guys so hard on Hurley?
I thought it was reasonavble for him to play bait. Locke and Charlie both said "Don't trust the boat people" (essentially) so he isn't. It's not like he killed anyone or that anyone was even killed.
By the way I loved it when he said "Oh great they sent us another Sawyer" Best line of the episode!!!
ozieozwall 02-14-2008, 11:36 PM Hurley is a scared Rabbit. Anyone with a mental condition tries to find "safe points." If you were in Hurley's shoes? Wouldn't you want to part of something with your friends versus your fears, which Ben instilled in Hurley's mind.
ashamilton_linke 02-14-2008, 11:36 PM bummed out with hurley ad danielle. sayid saved jin n bernard on beach wth that move.
Diesels Blitz 02-14-2008, 11:42 PM When Locke confronted Hurley, I thought he'd end up leaving for Jack's group. But Hurley as a trap? Didn't see that one coming, dude.
MinnieVanMommie 02-14-2008, 11:48 PM I dont get it...
1. Hurley choses Locke because of what Charlie says before he died....
2. Hurley is an Oceanic 6...Hurley leaves the island...therefore becoming a Jack groupie.
3. Hurley tells Jack in his flash foward....He should have never chosen Lockes group..He was sorry...Kinda like he betrayed Jack's ideas....
and in this epi we see that Ben and Sayid are protecting the ones left on the island....
What does Hurley and Said see differently in the flash fowards....
YET Charlie wants Hurley to go back....seems like Hurley will eventually give into that one and go back...seaon 6 epi????...
axpo23 02-15-2008, 12:00 AM I was surprised, too. I didn't think Hurley had it in him to be so ugly. :(
raspie 02-15-2008, 12:25 AM bummed out with hurley ad danielle. sayid saved jin n bernard on beach wth that move.
Not to mention Hurley ran over one of the others with the VW bus, also to save Jin and Bernard.
enigma420 02-15-2008, 12:29 AM So Apparently Hurley chose Lockes group and than chose Jacks....itmt he is working for Lockes group....I wonder what made him change his mind based on his flash fowards...
I cant beleive that Hurley would do that to his friends....
They have clearly defined their lines in this epi...ready to kill their friends.....
No one is ready to kill anyone with the exception of Jack. Sayid went out there with the intent of a peaceful resolution to recover Charlotte, and Locke and his people were merely protecting themselves. The people that are with Locke do not want to leave the Island, and the freighties have given no evidence that they don't hold hostile intentions, so, like the others who felt threatened by these 48 strangers with dark pasts that dropped on their island, they're setting up to protect themselves.
MinnieVanMommie 02-15-2008, 12:35 AM i can see your point...but not for nothing he dimed him out in a nano heartbeat
briar910 02-15-2008, 12:38 AM I've never been mad at Hurley before... until tonight.
Me too! I yelled out loud when I saw that. Dammit Hurley!!!!
But I know he probably didn't have much of choice and was forced to go along with it. Obviously we know that Hurley regrets going with Locke from his flashforward. But still...Dammit Hurley!
Jack Sawyer 02-15-2008, 12:42 AM Why the animosity between Hurley and Sayid? It didn't feel appropriate to me, even with the group split. And the "I saw how you broke that dude's neck." Anyone think this was a stretch for Hurley, to be terse with Sayid? Help! I don't want to feel this way. What am I missing?
briar910 02-15-2008, 12:45 AM Why the animosity between Hurley and Sayid? It didn't feel appropriate to me, even with the group split. And the "I saw how you broke that dude's neck." Anyone think this was a stretch for Hurley, to be terse with Sayid? Help! I don't want to feel this way. What am I missing?
I agree about the animosity between Hurley and Sayid, it is strange. But on the otherhand, I think Hurley is just plain old scared. Probably terrified of what will happen if he doesn't do exactly what Locke tells him to do. Which is why he eventually switches teams.
toddintexas 02-15-2008, 12:52 AM I agree, this just seemed out of character for Hurley, especially when in the scene prior to this, Hurley was gettin up in Locke's face about his decisions until Locke pulled the power trip on him. Then to say that about Sayid and breaking that dudes neck. It's like Hurley's a hypocrite, he also killed a man with his VW bus. Hurley just seemed way out of character in this episode. I don't get it. :shrug:
One of the main issues I had with this episode.
Guinevere 02-15-2008, 12:54 AM I was shocked but there's no telling what Ben and Locke said before they got Hurley to go in the closet so I'm reserving judgment on what he did. Where was Claire and the blonde girl we kept seeing over Claire's shoulder?? I think he said that about Sayid and the neck snapping because he really coudn't say anything else at the time.
Jack Sawyer 02-15-2008, 01:18 AM I agree, this just seemed out of character for Hurley, especially when in the scene prior to this, Hurley was gettin up in Locke's face about his decisions until Locke pulled the power trip on him. Then to say that about Sayid and breaking that dudes neck. It's like Hurley's a hypocrite, he also killed a man with his VW bus. Hurley just seemed way out of character in this episode. I don't get it. :shrug:
One of the main issues I had with this episode.
Yeah, my only issue actually. Perhaps it all comes down to the discussion that must have taken place when they all agreed to entrap the others (did I say Others?). Who knows what Locke has said to Hurley...for all we know they've discussed the cabin off camera only to come back to it later.
I'm just trying to understand how he could so quicky turn rather hostile towards Sayid.
Alkaline213 02-15-2008, 01:31 AM Hurly was doing what he had to to save himself and he is loyal to the camp he stuck with. fuck the rest
theghostofboone 02-15-2008, 01:32 AM Shame Shame Shame! That was just wrong and sorry aint good enough. No wonder he got committed again after he got rescued. Guilty conscience!
landis 02-15-2008, 01:35 AM When Hurley turned and said "Sorry" my jaw dropped. Sorry my ___! In the last few scenes it looked like he was ready to break camp and go meet up with Jack's team. He is gonna have to "pull a Hurley" to make up for this one, big time.
kpdjp 02-15-2008, 01:36 AM umm... i didn't sense any hostility between hurley and sayid. i think hurley was just scared to be near sayid because he tricked him, thus the "i saw you break that guys neck with a breakdance move." it was a little strange to jump from hurley questioning locke to acting like locke's bait, but from his perspective it's not that out of character. he believes the freighties are there to kill them, he agrees w/ locke's plan to fool them into going to ben's house to be ambushed. like locke said, he didn't know how many were coming and if they were armed so it was just a precaution.
Selene1212 02-15-2008, 02:06 AM umm... i didn't sense any hostility between hurley and sayid. i think hurley was just scared to be near sayid because he tricked him, thus the "i saw you break that guys neck with a breakdance move." it was a little strange to jump from hurley questioning locke to acting like locke's bait, but from his perspective it's not that out of character. he believes the freighties are there to kill them, he agrees w/ locke's plan to fool them into going to ben's house to be ambushed. like locke said, he didn't know how many were coming and if they were armed so it was just a precaution.Exactly! Plus, Team Locke had no clue how many people - if any - would be coming or how armed they would be, they only knew about the bullet proof vests.
I think both Hurley and Danielle were feeling bad about the situation but couldn't really change it until Locke spoke with Sayid.
lockesmithe 02-15-2008, 02:11 AM I didn't sense much in the way animosity either. Hurley apologized for the deception--he feels guilty having betrayed Sayid, et al. He is also afraid of Sayid. Sayid, realizing Hurley's unease, assured Hurley that he wouldn't kill him. It's not like they're best friends at this point, but both seem to respect the other.
monsieurxander 02-15-2008, 03:30 AM What I thought was really weird was how Kate fell for it... especially since Juliet did the EXACT SAME THING to her like a week before.
gingershutterbug 02-15-2008, 04:25 AM I wonder if Locke threatened to harm Claire and Aaron somehow...and that's how he got Hurley to do it. We don't see them in this scene. and I just can't see Hurley volunteering for this, especially following the previous scene and argument with Locke.
Saukkomies 02-16-2008, 06:31 AM Okay, I have to say that this really caught me off guard. Why did Hurley suddenly switch from being outspokenly against Locke's plan of trying to fight against the Freighties to suddenly working in concert with Locke in a diabolical betrayal of some of his friends? What gives? I really don't understand Hurley's motives for doing that. Perhaps some of you have some enlightening thoughts on the subject.
Island_Girl 02-16-2008, 11:03 AM It's possible that Hurley assumed that Locke's group had left him, when in actuality they simply tied him up, put him in the closet, and waited in the shadows somewhere for someone from Jack's camp (Sayid, Kate, etc) to show up. I don't think Hurley necessarily knew he would be used in this way. And I think that's why he apologized, because he felt it was his fault (albeit unintentionally) that the Sayid et al were captured by Locke.
Jack Sawyer 02-16-2008, 11:41 AM I'd like to talk about this too, because it seemed like we were missing something. It was quite a leap. It's almost like we're missing some crucial conversation between him and Locke; without it, Hurley's actions are hard for me to understand. Another example being his distrust of Sayid when they captured him, citing his breakdance-necksnap as reason to keep his distance.
dgeiger 02-16-2008, 11:57 AM I am so glad to see a thread on this because this made no sense to me at all. I re-watched the episode and of all the interesting and mind-boggling things going on in this episode, Hurley is what baffled me the most. It seems out of character. I agree that it feels like we were missing something.
I also agree with JackSawyer, his distrust of Sayid was so weird. When he said that about Sayid killing the other guy, I thought, "HUH??" What does that have to do with anything?
The things Hurley said to Locke when challenging him seemed much more like the easy-going, peace-keeping Hurley we have all come to know and love. It was a weird "about-face". I really don't get it.
I would think he was an unwitting participant (like previously suggested), but then he made the distrustful remark to Sayid....doesn't make sense....
swtheart545 02-16-2008, 12:37 PM I think Hurley's a pretty easily manipulated guy. I think when Locke got in Hurley's face about him being the leader, Hurley decided to shut up and just go with the flow. When Locke decided to set up a trap, Hurley's the obvious one to leave behind because no one would believe they'd leave Sawyer or Claire behind. I'm pretty sure when Locke told Hurley to do it he probably made it seem like a good idea that would help them a lot and so Hurley just decided he should keep his mouth shut and do what Locke says. Just my take on it.
dstripling 02-16-2008, 12:40 PM Why did Hurley have to be the one that was "left"? If the plan was to lure them into the barracks by having someone tied up, it could have been another member of the group. It seemed odd for him to be so opposed to Locke's plan, then turn around and immediately play such a huge part in it.
Confidence-Man 02-16-2008, 01:19 PM Hurley being tied up is what drew us all in it was brilliant. If it was Sawyer, Sayid and Kate may have been skeptical but with Hurley the thought never arises. Also they had a disagreement when in the jungle Locke and Hurley these things happen, I'm sure it will be a missing piece in the off season. As far as him mentioning Sayid killing someone I think that was just Hurley's fear and I thought it was relevant and I would have thought the same thing. He just deceived a torturer and killer I wouldn't want to be on his bad side either.
toddintexas 02-16-2008, 01:34 PM I am so glad to see a thread on this because this made no sense to me at all. I re-watched the episode and of all the interesting and mind-boggling things going on in this episode, Hurley is what baffled me the most. It seems out of character. I agree that it feels like we were missing something.
I also agree with JackSawyer, his distrust of Sayid was so weird. When he said that about Sayid killing the other guy, I thought, "HUH??" What does that have to do with anything?
The things Hurley said to Locke when challenging him seemed much more like the easy-going, peace-keeping Hurley we have all come to know and love. It was a weird "about-face". I really don't get it.
I would think he was an unwitting participant (like previously suggested), but then he made the distrustful remark to Sayid....doesn't make sense....
I completely agree, and I'm glad there is a thread on this too, because I've been commenting on this on other threads. You're right, not only was this out of character for Hurley, but it was a total 180 form the last scene with Hurley and Locke, when Hurley was questioning Locke so Locke got all ticked and pulled the "I'm the Leader" trip on Hurley.
Yes and then top it off with that comment about Sayid is just strange. Hurley is not cold hearted, he's very warm hearted and friendly. How could he just forget that He killed a man by driving over him with a VW bus just prior to Sayid killing the other guy by breaking his neck? So out of character for Hurley.
The only thing I can remotely think of is Locke is beginning to manipulate like Ben does, so he found someway to talk Hurley into doing this trick, but I'm not sure how.
And the trick itself just seemed so unnecessary, it wasn't required and why did it involve going specifically to Ben's house? When Sayid and Kate were in Othersville the first time, they never went to Ben's house, only Locke, so would they have even known where his house was. Did Locke want Sayid to find that secret room in Ben's house. I don't get it, it was all just too weird.
dgeiger 02-16-2008, 03:14 PM ToddinTexas: First, I don't know how to quote your post, I'm too new here. I'll work on it... However, I am glad that you agree. Hurley is the peacekeeper. He wants everyone to get along - he's not above deception, but the big trick he played was on Sawyer and it was so Sawyer wouldn't be the outcast - he wanted everyone to be happy.
It's not like Hurley to suddenly distrust the other group. He didn't go with Locke because of any hatred or fear toward Jack's group...he went because of his absolute trust in Charlie. What he said to Locke about "this not being what I signed up for...." that is the Hurley we have come to know and love. Now, he's afraid of Sayid...why???? Really?
Having Hurley take such an antagonistic stand (even tho he did say "Sorry, Dude") makes the division between the camps seems so much more definite to me. I understand Locke's antagonism since Jack was going to kill him....but not Hurley! I just don't understand.
macgreagor 02-16-2008, 05:42 PM And the trick itself just seemed so unnecessary, it wasn't required and why did it involve going specifically to Ben's house? When Sayid and Kate were in Othersville the first time, they never went to Ben's house, only Locke, so would they have even known where his house was. Did Locke want Sayid to find that secret room in Ben's house. I don't get it, it was all just too weird.
Well put. With all the other stuff that went on in this episode, I am just getting my head around the Hurley thing. You are absolutely right, it was an unnecessary trick, especially how they got to Ben's house. They could have locked him up anywhere, like they did, and just surprise Sayid and Kate when they were initially attending to Hurley. Why bother with moving the scene to Ben's house? More time for Sayid and Kate to get suspicious if you ask me. So, just a plot device to shock us, or something more?
It is so inconsistent with Hurley's character. And I liked your observation that Hurley is calling the kettle black with that comment about the break dancing, he is no angel himself after the Dharma van incident. Not that I blame either one of them in that situation, but for Hurley to suddenly use that against Sayid is weird. Maybe it is a show for Locke? Is he going to turn double agent?
glotis 02-16-2008, 06:04 PM I thought it was very clever of Hurly. Obviously he didnt like the whole hostage situation, and Locke said to him they were "beyond compromise", which means theres going more bloodshed. So Hurly decides to become bait for the other group, knowing theyll trust him, and then ambush them. No one gets hurt, and they make some deal.
Hurly seems to take matters much into his own hands this season.
IronGiant 02-16-2008, 06:27 PM A good observation there, but as others have said, there was too much of a leap in story-telling logic in this whole 'Hurley as bait' and 'Hurley's comment to Sayid' business.
I can't help but wonder if some important scene was edited out to cut down on the running time (drat those commercial breaks!).
lowerstreet 02-16-2008, 07:36 PM I found this a problem with the episode as well... I am hoping Hurley (as well as Sawyer, Danielle, etc.) agreed to this plan if Locke agreed that nobody was going to get hurt or killed. I don't understand the sudden antagonism between the two groups either (especially Hurley's comment that assumed he was afraid Sayid would try to kill him, which Sayid would never do), and the writers need to be careful to make character motivations natural rather than fitting the plot, since that's what actually made "Lost" a good show.
Kerstin80 02-16-2008, 07:49 PM I think it's all depending really much on the strange situation they're all in.
The Losties are essentially split apart now, and Hurley was the one who started the trend by deciding to go with Locke to honour Charlie's sacrifice.
Tension is starting to rise between the groups. After all there's a huge difference between 'They're here to rescue us' and 'they're here to kill us'. And after Locke's little game of search-the-cabin in the jungle and his explosion towards Hurley, I think the general feeling within the group is just really, really confused right now.
Hurley's remark towards Sayid doesn't necessarily mean that he no longer trusts him. But I think he is aware that they're in two different camps now, and that he just played a big part in putting Sayid into (crazy)Locke's hands. I doubt he was seriously concerned about Sayid hurting him, but that he was concerned about what his role in all this was going to do to his relationship to Sayid and the relationship between the group. I think Hurley is acutely aware that it won't take much right now to start a full-blown outbreak between the groups, and he knows that Locke is not helping matters.
As for why Hurley played along, I don't really know whether it's such a huge shift in character. We definitely missed the decision making process on that one, but IMO Hurley played the hostage in the closet because he was convinced that this was the only way to end the upcoming confrontation with as little trouble as possible, and without bloodshed.
Maxum 02-16-2008, 10:44 PM It's possible that Hurley assumed that Locke's group had left him, when in actuality they simply tied him up, put him in the closet, and waited in the shadows somewhere for someone from Jack's camp (Sayid, Kate, etc) to show up. I don't think Hurley necessarily knew he would be used in this way. And I think that's why he apologized, because he felt it was his fault (albeit unintentionally) that the Sayid et al were captured by Locke.
Hurley knew his part in the plan because after Sayid was held at gunpoint, Locke looked at Hurley and said, "Thanks, Hugo." With that, Hurley looked sheepishly at Sayid and said, "Sorry dude."
It was very out of character for Hurley, imo.
Why did Hurley have to be the one that was "left"? If the plan was to lure them into the barracks by having someone tied up, it could have been another member of the group. It seemed odd for him to be so opposed to Locke's plan, then turn around and immediately play such a huge part in it.
Because just like we are shocked at Hurley's actions, Kate and Sayid would not have expected it either - and they didn't. From an execution point of view, it was brilliant, but from what we know about Hurley's character, it was a complete WTF moment. It didn't make sense.
I thought it was very clever of Hurly. Obviously he didnt like the whole hostage situation, and Locke said to him they were "beyond compromise", which means theres going more bloodshed. So Hurly decides to become bait for the other group, knowing theyll trust him, and then ambush them. No one gets hurt, and they make some deal.
Hurly seems to take matters much into his own hands this season.
I don't think Hurley did anything to take matters into his own hands. He was someone who was convinced to take the role of "bait" to lure Kate and Sayid, and it worked. It may have been to prevent bloodshed; that could be true.
What REALLY doesn't make any sense is why Locke would take one of the Freighters in the first place. As I stated in other threads, by his taking one of the Freighters, he pretty much is asking them to come after him and his group - and they did. That makes no sense from a strategic point of view. I mean, either their hiding from the freighters or they are trying to get information from them, and if it's the latter, what makes Locke's group different from Jack's?
I don't understand the sudden antagonism between the two groups either
Agreed. I've been waiting for the Losties to become more like a family as the seasons have passed, but instead, it seems like they are becoming more distant and detached. That doesn't make sense considering all they've been through together.
Bella 02-17-2008, 02:41 AM I felt like it was really out of character, and I also wondered about his sudden reluctance to trust Sayid. WTF? Just hours earlier the two of them were kicking *** together on the beach. Now he's worried about Sayid hurting him?
I know Hurley has mental problems, and maybe that can account for his seemingly weak will right now, but it was still a big blow.
AlongForTheRide 02-17-2008, 02:51 AM I am so glad to see a thread on this because this made no sense to me at all. I re-watched the episode and of all the interesting and mind-boggling things going on in this episode, Hurley is what baffled me the most. It seems out of character. I agree that it feels like we were missing something.
I also agree with JackSawyer, his distrust of Sayid was so weird. When he said that about Sayid killing the other guy, I thought, "HUH??" What does that have to do with anything?
The things Hurley said to Locke when challenging him seemed much more like the easy-going, peace-keeping Hurley we have all come to know and love. It was a weird "about-face". I really don't get it.
I would think he was an unwitting participant (like previously suggested), but then he made the distrustful remark to Sayid....doesn't make sense....
I agree with this, I mean it's not like Hurley didn't just run down an "other" with a VW Bus!
He was just out of character to me. I mean one minute Hurley is all "I didn't sign up for this", the next he's like going along with whatever Locke wants him to do.
Island_Girl 02-17-2008, 08:56 AM I said this in another thread as well, but it's possible that Hurley assumed that Locke's group had left him, when in actuality they simply tied him up, put him in the closet, and waited in the shadows somewhere for someone from Jack's camp (Sayid, Kate, etc) to show up. I don't think Hurley necessarily knew he would be used in this way (Locke's pawn). And I think that's why he apologized, because he felt it was his fault (albeit unintentionally) that Sayid et al were captured by Locke. I also think that Locke thanked him for helping capture Kate, etc, and not because Hurley was a willing participant.
Exodus666 02-17-2008, 09:27 AM Dont be too hard on Hurley, u gotta see this from Lockes perspective.
He had no idea Sayid would come on a mission of diplomacy, all he knows is that the freighter people wants wants Ben, and if they tell Jack "Give us Ben or we leave you on the island" Jack will come for Ben and Jack will not let anything to stand in his way. Jack tried to kill Locke after all and i think Locke sees that as Jacks desperation to get off the Island, unlike John Locke Jack Sheperd desperatly needs to get home and anyone getting in his way better not, that is at least Lockes perspective on Jack imho.
So knowing that Jacks group knew where they where going, and assuming they would send a large armed party to capture Ben they set a trap.
Hurley goes along with it because he does not trust the freighter people, he is sorry when he sees that its only Sayid, Kate and some guy, and Locke is also open for Sayids negotiations after he controls the situation.
But Hurley being afraid to walk to close to Sayid has nothing to do with Hurley thinking Sayid will KILL him, he just knows Sayid could probably take out the people guarding him and run for the jungle, and Hurley doesnt want to get hit upside the head.
-Exodus
Selene1212 02-17-2008, 02:35 PM Dont be too hard on Hurley, u gotta see this from Lockes perspective.
He had no idea Sayid would come on a mission of diplomacy, all he knows is that the freighter people wants wants Ben, and if they tell Jack "Give us Ben or we leave you on the island" Jack will come for Ben and Jack will not let anything to stand in his way. Jack tried to kill Locke after all and i think Locke sees that as Jacks desperation to get off the Island, unlike John Locke Jack Sheperd desperatly needs to get home and anyone getting in his way better not, that is at least Lockes perspective on Jack imho.
So knowing that Jacks group knew where they where going, and assuming they would send a large armed party to capture Ben they set a trap.
Hurley goes along with it because he does not trust the freighter people, he is sorry when he sees that its only Sayid, Kate and some guy, and Locke is also open for Sayids negotiations after he controls the situation.
But Hurley being afraid to walk to close to Sayid has nothing to do with Hurley thinking Sayid will KILL him, he just knows Sayid could probably take out the people guarding him and run for the jungle, and Hurley doesnt want to get hit upside the head.
-Exodus:thumbsup: Great post!
Jack Sawyer 02-17-2008, 03:03 PM I didn't sense much in the way animosity either. Hurley apologized for the deception--he feels guilty having betrayed Sayid, et al. He is also afraid of Sayid. Sayid, realizing Hurley's unease, assured Hurley that he wouldn't kill him. It's not like they're best friends at this point, but both seem to respect the other.
Since my previous comments, I've rewatched the episode and I really think I wasn't quite with it that night, cuz there was really very little 'animosity' in those scenes. That said, I still want to understand what happened in Hurley's mind between Locke's telling him off, and his decision to help out in this deception.
Guinevere 02-17-2008, 03:47 PM Dont be too hard on Hurley, u gotta see this from Lockes perspective.
He had no idea Sayid would come on a mission of diplomacy, all he knows is that the freighter people wants wants Ben, and if they tell Jack "Give us Ben or we leave you on the island" Jack will come for Ben and Jack will not let anything to stand in his way. Jack tried to kill Locke after all and i think Locke sees that as Jacks desperation to get off the Island, unlike John Locke Jack Sheperd desperatly needs to get home and anyone getting in his way better not, that is at least Lockes perspective on Jack imho.
So knowing that Jacks group knew where they where going, and assuming they would send a large armed party to capture Ben they set a trap.
Hurley goes along with it because he does not trust the freighter people, he is sorry when he sees that its only Sayid, Kate and some guy, and Locke is also open for Sayids negotiations after he controls the situation.
But Hurley being afraid to walk to close to Sayid has nothing to do with Hurley thinking Sayid will KILL him, he just knows Sayid could probably take out the people guarding him and run for the jungle, and Hurley doesnt want to get hit upside the head.
-Exodus
Exodus,
I think this is a great post which takes into consideration all the angles of what's going on. Your mentioning that Hurley's afraid that Sayid would run for it makes the most sense as well. :clapping:
beema 02-17-2008, 07:12 PM Yeah I was very surprised at Hurley. I never expected him to do something that shady. He's always been true blue before.
shootingstar 02-17-2008, 08:36 PM Dont be too hard on Hurley, u gotta see this from Lockes perspective.
He had no idea Sayid would come on a mission of diplomacy, all he knows is that the freighter people wants wants Ben, and if they tell Jack "Give us Ben or we leave you on the island" Jack will come for Ben and Jack will not let anything to stand in his way. Jack tried to kill Locke after all and i think Locke sees that as Jacks desperation to get off the Island, unlike John Locke Jack Sheperd desperatly needs to get home and anyone getting in his way better not, that is at least Lockes perspective on Jack imho.
So knowing that Jacks group knew where they where going, and assuming they would send a large armed party to capture Ben they set a trap.
Hurley goes along with it because he does not trust the freighter people, he is sorry when he sees that its only Sayid, Kate and some guy, and Locke is also open for Sayids negotiations after he controls the situation.
But Hurley being afraid to walk to close to Sayid has nothing to do with Hurley thinking Sayid will KILL him, he just knows Sayid could probably take out the people guarding him and run for the jungle, and Hurley doesnt want to get hit upside the head.
-Exodus
Great post, I would add more to it but you have covered all the bases.
Miss Aly 02-17-2008, 08:40 PM It's reasonable enough to believe that Hurley would agree to be bait. He seemed sorry about it afterwards, apologising to Sayid. It was nothing personal, they just had to be safe. I have to say I thought it was a trap all along as I didn't think that Claire or even Sawyer would just abandon Hurley.
heppamies 02-18-2008, 05:58 AM "ready to kill their friends" is a real overstatement, it only applies to Ja-Jo relationship.
I think Hurley was still affected by Charlies death, and he thought he was doing the right thing. He then apologised Sayid for fooling him.
We can't think everything everybody says in the serie should be taken totally seriously. Hurley saying about Sayid's killer leg moves, was just something that came into his mind when replying to Sayid.
erasiel 02-18-2008, 06:28 AM Two observations here:
1) Locke moved the prisoners to Ben's house because it is much larger than all the other houses in the Barracks. This fact is mentioned in the documentary on the Season 3 box set. Doesn't explain why they didn't just have Hurley captive in Ben's house to begin with, though.
2) the two groups are hostile to each other for good reason. Locke's group thinks Jack's group will bring about all of their deaths, needlessly. Jack's group think Locke's group is keeping them from finally getting rescued, also needlessly. Sounds like a perfect recipe for hostility.
heppamies 02-18-2008, 06:30 AM Only real reason:
He believes in Charlie.
Wonderfully Evil 02-18-2008, 07:55 AM Hurley is a follower, not a leader.
Right now he is doing what he thinks he should do.
When he realizes Locke is wrong, he will change his tune.
Saukkomies 02-18-2008, 08:58 AM Hurley is a follower, not a leader.
Right now he is doing what he thinks he should do.
When he realizes Locke is wrong, he will change his tune.
I'm not completely convinced that Hurley is a follower. It seems to me that he is a mellow dude that will go along with the crowd ... but only up to a certain point. In the end he follows his own counsel. In order for him to have willingly been a part of the trap that was set for Kate and Sayid, which is a very dramatic act, he must have been convinced that it was for the greater good. It very well may have been, too. Perhaps Hurley saw it as a way to avoid unnecessary bloodshed.
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