The clock from the payload and the clock Dan set were not the same. The clock that was in the payload was ahead of the time Dan had recorded. The theory of relativity could play into this, since time slows down for objects as they approach the speed of light. So, is the island somehow traveling close to the speed of light?

magnetic/electrical fields can cause a shift if time/space.


here is an example in the bearing mechanism in homing pigeons
http://www.springerlink.com/content/084479373681q003/

here is an interesting one on electrical fields. (note the name in the title. Maxwell-Faraday.
http://www.iop.org/EJ/abstract/0143-0807/28/2/006

This stuff is far far over my head. :confused:

all the following quotes are from or connected to the link below

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell%27s_equations_in_curved_spacetime

James Clerk Maxwell (13 June 1831 - 5 November 1879) was a Scottish mathematician and theoretical physicist.His most significant achievement was aggregating a set of equations in electricity, magnetism and inductance

The Maxwell Group is a company to which reference is made in the second Lost alternate reality game Find 815. It is a division of Widmore Industries.

The electromagnetic field also admits a coordinate-independent geometric description, and Maxwell's equations expressed in terms of these geometric objects are the same in any spacetime, curved or not. Also, the same modifications are made to the equations in flat Euclidean or Minkowski space

George Minkowskiis a man working aboard the freighter who remains in contact via satellite phone with his colleagues on the island.

The square root of the negative of the determinant of the metric tensor is the Jacobian of the transformation between curved and flat spacetime.

Jacob is said to be the leader of the Others and the person from whom Ben receives his orders

This stuff is far far over my head. :confused:

yes mine too...this is a deep thread alright BUT
the following quote is what Einstein himself said about relativity:

"Put your hand on a hot stove for a minute, and it seems like an hour. Sit with a pretty girl for an hour, and it seems like a minute. THAT'S relativity."

Soooooo, thats all I need to know about it. :biggrin:

The clock from the payload and the clock Dan set were not the same. The clock that was in the payload was ahead of the time Dan had recorded. The theory of relativity could play into this, since time slows down for objects as they approach the speed of light. So, is the island somehow traveling close to the speed of light?


That would be one quick island, at close to the SOL, the island would orbit the Earth about 7.4 times per second.
I love science. lol




"dude, you got some Arzt on you"

Time / clocks are also affected by gravitational fields. For example, a clock closer to a gravitational field (say, on the surface of the earth) will run slower than one farther from the gravitational field (say, in orbit around the earth).

Perhaps the island is located in a strong, localized, gravitational field that is creating a time lag for all events on the island. Perhaps the specific route that one must take off the island is like the great circles on the earth - the shortest distance from A to B on a curved surface. If so, then perhaps if one does not follow this specified path (as the helio pilot was warned), by the time you reach the outside world, it will no longer be what it was when you left (i.e. far into the future, with all that you knew dead and gone).

The clock from the payload and the clock Dan set were not the same. The clock that was in the payload was ahead of the time Dan had recorded. The theory of relativity could play into this, since time slows down for objects as they approach the speed of light. So, is the island somehow traveling close to the speed of light?

I assume you mean, "is the island traveling close to the speed of light *relative* to the freighter", right?

Can't happen, because there's no way the freighties would have a "lightspeed plus" rocket fast enough to actually land on the island.

I'm sorry if I sound like a jerk, but have you read my post here: http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=89012

Almost certainly, the clocks on the rocket and the island are wrong due to a production error. They should have been the other way around.

I'm sorry if I sound like a jerk, but have you read my post here: http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=89012


lol, you dont sound like that big of a jerk.. you did say "im sorry".


Almost certainly, the clocks on the rocket and the island are wrong due to a production error. They should have been the other way around.


Are you saying that time run faster on the island? or that time for the "freighters" is slowed down?



"dude, you got some Arzt on you"

Are you saying that time run faster on the island? or that time for the "freighters" is slowed down?

No. I'm saying something much easier to understand: On the day they filmed the scene with the rockets, there was a guy on the production team called the "prop guy" with two clocks. They told him,

"Here is the clock for the rocket, and here is the clock for the island. Hang on to them, and put them where they need to when we start filming"

And then the prop guy got drunk. Or confused. Or, anyway, he switched the clock.

It's the only explanation.

Because if the clock on the rocket is faster than the clock on the island, it would have arrived 31 minutes before Faraday expected it to, not 31 minutes after. In other words, it would have arrived before he even called Regina. The rocket would have traveld backward through time relative to the island, not forward.

No. I'm saying something much easier to understand: On the day they filmed the scene with the rockets, there was a guy on the production team called the "prop guy" with two clocks. They told him,

"Here is the clock for the rocket, and here is the clock for the island. Hang on to them, and put them where they need to when we start filming"

And then the prop guy got drunk. Or confused. Or, anyway, he switched the clock.

It's the only explanation.

Because if the clock on the rocket is faster than the clock on the island, it would have arrived 31 minutes before Faraday expected it to, not 31 minutes after. In other words, it would have arrived before he even called Regina. The rocket would have traveld backward through time relative to the island, not forward.


Why are we assuming that the time loss/gain happened at all during the flight? If the gravitational effects happen while on the island, then as soon as Faraday arrived on the island, the clock would begin running slower than the clock on the boat. At the time of launch, the clocks would already be different (or did they verbally sync them? can remember). The time delay in the physical arrival of the rocket could be attributed to another phenomenon altogether. That is, the snow globe effect creates spacial paths that are longer than normal (great circles v latitude). This certainly could effect time (as we are in spacetime) but not in the way or to the significance that the gravitational field is. Therefore, once the rocket left the boat and started to enter snow globe path, not only would travel time be delayed due to a longer spacial path, but the clock itself, already ahead due to the differing gravitational fields, would begin to transition into the island time and sync up with the passage of time there. Once there, it would begin to tick at the same rate as the island clock.

"Here is the clock for the rocket, and here is the clock for the island. Hang on to them, and put them where they need to when we start filming"

And then the prop guy got drunk. Or confused. Or, anyway, he switched the clock.

It's the only explanation.



I personally think that comment is ridiculous, but thats just imo.
sorry if I sound like a jerk. lol




"dude, you got some Arzt on you"

Hey Starla, I know it's a bit of a big pill to swallow, and I'm sorry to put it in such blunt terms, but I've been trying to make this case for a while, and nobody seems to be getting it.

Here, Dr. Emmit Brown explains it better than I do:
http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1766282&postcount=18

Hey Starla, I know it's a bit of a big pill to swallow, and I'm sorry to put it in such blunt terms, but I've been trying to make this case for a while, and nobody seems to be getting it.

Here, Dr. Emmit Brown explains it better than I do:
http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1766282&postcount=18

I understand your point, and your a brave soul for using BTTF as a reference, : )
I still think time is relative though. ie: the real time two-way comm




"dude, you got some Arzt on you"