So, if Penny didn't know who Naomi was and that isn't Penny's boat, why the weird looks from the freighties when Desmond asked them about her???

Well there is still the mystery of why Naomi was carrying the picture and said that Penny had sent them to find Desmond. Obviously the freighties know something about Penny and/or the name of Widmore that they're not telling. It's not as simple as it not being Penny's boat because it doesn't explain Naomi's cover story and how they even came to have the photo and know Desmond.

Because they don't know Penny. But they know her last name: Widmore.

They're working for her father.

Because they don't know Penny. But they know her last name: Widmore.

They're working for her father.

That's just a theory of course although right now I think it has legs.

Because they don't know Penny. But they know her last name: Widmore.

They're working for her father.

I agree, I think they are in cahoots with Mr. Widmore. haha, I said cahoots

That's just a theory of course although right now I think it has legs.

Right. I'm pretty certain that this is the case. It could also explain how Naomi got ahold of the picture. Penny seems like she has a relationship with her father. It's possible he got his hands on the photo and gave it to Naomi.

I said cahoots


Off topic....

Why are people always in cahootS. Have any two people ever been in a single cahoot together.

Actually..it doesn't explain how she got a copy of the picture, as there was only one copy, and Desmond had it. Unless of course the first time Desmond went through the whole breakup with Penny had Penny walking off with the picture.

Were we told at some point that there was only one copy of the picture? Seems unlikely to me. I mean, people scan pictures and print them all the time no?

I always kind of wondered how there came to be more than one copy of the type of photo that is basically Poloroid. I know there are many possibilities but we never get confirmation on any of them.

You can't fold a polaroid photo without screwing it all up. Both Desmond's pic & Naomi's appeared to be on regular printer paper to me. (Maybe photo paper.)

I want to know how the freighter people connect Ben to Desmond.

When Desmond asked Lapidus if they had heard of Penelope Widmore, he said no but than Lapidus and Daniel exchanged a look that seemed to mean they had at least heard of her. Did anyone else catch that?

i don't think they recognised the picture,,but definitely recognised at least part of her name.

They definitely know the name. Might be her father that is behind them.

I think it was the name Widmore that made Frank and Dan exchange looks. It would make sense if those two only recognized the name whereas Naomi knew all about Desmond and Penny and what not since Naomi's much higher up in the informantion food chain than Dan and Frank.

Yeah, I don't know if they recognized the Penny part but it seemed like they had heard the name Widmore. Naomi definitely knew the name Penny and may have known more than she told the others. Naomi being the leader and military person on the team probably had some more information on the inhabitants of the island and kept the rest on a need-to-know basis.

Yeah, their recognition of the name Widmore made me think they were working for Charles, maybe he used Penny's search for Desmond to locate the island.

Maybe the Penny that Charlie talked to in the Looking Glass Station was Penny from BEFORE she met Naomi and set up the mission. Now that we know for sure that time is really wacky on the Island, how do we know if Charlie talked to a real-time Penny or a sometime-in-the-past Penny?

The picture that Naomi had was a photocopy...I watched Flashes two nights ago, and the picture was pulled straight out of the camera and handed to Desmond, which he obviously kept, as he broke up with Penny as he looked at the picture. The only logical explanation, considering Desmond always had it in his possession, was that Kelvin made a copy and got it to someone off island. This being Lost, there certainly could be other stranger explanations, but I really can't think of any other person who would be able to make a copy of that picture other than Desmond.

Didn't Penny have a copy of the photo on her night stand when she answered the phone at the end of Season 2? It looked very similar and I guess it could've been a different photo...but all this time I've been thinking it was the same one!

Dont forget the S2 Finale Minikowski made the call to Penny

"we've got it" or something like that.

Penny IS involved.

Didn't Penny have a copy of the photo on her night stand when she answered the phone at the end of Season 2? It looked very similar and I guess it could've been a different photo...but all this time I've been thinking it was the same one!

That's what I thought, Penny had that same photo that Desmond carries around in a frame on her night stand. This is why I believe that Mr. Windemore is behind this operation and that's how Naomi got that photo. Penny IMO is doing a search seperately from her father and that's why she told Charlie that she didn't know who Naomi was and that that wasn't her boat.

(i.e.-- Desmond's photo on Penny's night stand)
Thank you!! I read the threads and sit here and squirm because I want to reply...but I wait to make sure someone hasn't already replied to it! Glad I wasn't the only one who remembered it!

ALSO: Has anyone thought about Desmond's friend from the pub who he told everything to about the island and what has happened to him?? Maybe he is involved somehow now that he knows when/where to find them!! (Whcih is also how Penny knows where to look, too....)

Dont forget the S2 Finale Minikowski made the call to Penny

"we've got it" or something like that.

Penny IS involved.

Minkowski didn't call Penny at the end of Season 2. Those were two Portuguese speaking guys.

My take on it is that Frank and Dan knew Penny but by a different name. You could tell they knew her or something about her. Then, when Des said, "Penelope Widmore". Frank's expression changed to a "I didn't know that was her name" (or a dawning) kind of expression/ In other words, Des might have just put Penny in danger. What if her father is behind this particular expedition but Penny's been working behind the scenes using an alias. If anyone on the boat hadn't met her as Penny Widmore, she could be gathering info, etc as Jane Smith or something. All a theory based on their separate expressions on seeing the photo and, the later, hearing her name.

Yeah...maybe they had pregnancy tests from Widmore Labs in the last year or so. :biggrin:

Seriously, I believe Charles Widmore set Naomi out with a secret project on her own...either to kill or bring back Desmond before Penny stumbled upon the Island.

Yeah, I don't know if they recognized the Penny part but it seemed like they had heard the name Widmore. Naomi definitely knew the name Penny and may have known more than she told the others. Naomi being the leader and military person on the team probably had some more information on the inhabitants of the island and kept the rest on a need-to-know basis.

Does anyone remember any details that were given to Desmond by Charles Widmore about the man that Penny was engaged to marry? Just curious...

My take on it is that Frank and Dan knew Penny but by a different name. You could tell they knew her or something about her. Then, when Des said, "Penelope Widmore". Frank's expression changed to a "I didn't know that was her name" (or a dawning) kind of expression/ In other words, Des might have just put Penny in danger. What if her father is behind this particular expedition but Penny's been working behind the scenes using an alias. If anyone on the boat hadn't met her as Penny Widmore, she could be gathering info, etc as Jane Smith or something. All a theory based on their separate expressions on seeing the photo and, the later, hearing her name.

Maybe Penny is Ben's "Man on the boat"! Wouldn't that be a bizarre twist! LOL

Or even though it's old man Widmore's expedition, Naomi (not her real name) was secretly working for Penny.

Why are people always in cahootS. Have any two people ever been in a single cahoot together.Haven't you been paying attention?

Christian and Jacob were in a cahoot together. :grin:

Maybe Penny is Ben's "Man on the boat"! Wouldn't that be a bizarre twist! LOL
I truly believe that my head would explode if this proved to be the case!! :grin:

Haven't you been paying attention?

Christian and Jacob were in a cahoot together. :grin:

:rotflmao2: I think that's what we ought to call the cabin - The Cahoot Cabin! :rotflmao2:

:rotflmao2: I think that's what we ought to call the cabin - The Cahoot Cabin! :rotflmao2::biglaugh:

I think Widmore knew Desmond was on the island, and that was perfectly fine with him because Desmond had no way of reuniting with Penny. However, now that Penny knows that Desmond is stuck somewhere, she gets her own search team (she has money) to locate the island. Widmore has a side project for the freighties (or maybe just Naomi) to capture Desmond because he doesn't want his beloved daughter stuck on the island if she does find him, and he certainly doesn't want Des and Penny together. Widmore wants Desmond off the island and he probably wants to kill him.

That's just a small theory I came up with which most likely has a lot of holes.

I was surprised it took until page 3 of this thread before someone said what was already on my mind for 2 days. I think that a part of their mission (whether it was just Naomi's or all of theirs) is to flat out kill Desmond if they find him there, per order of Widmore. These guys are armed and apparently willing to kill if necessary ("There ARE no survivors", "Not Yeeeeet", etc) and the picture was a photocopy which means it didn't need to have come from Penny. The look on their faces when he asked was more than just recognition, it was an almost sadness.

Daddy don't like Desmond, Daddy want Desmond away from Penny. Daddy Kill Desmond this time.

This seems most logical to me... which of course means the 'truth' will be 180 degrees opposite :)

Finding Desmond was a subterfuge for Naomi's real mission: to find Ben.

She is a Dharma field agent and received copy of the photo from Abaddon, who received it ultimately from Kelvin.

Does anyone remember any details that were given to Desmond by Charles Widmore about the man that Penny was engaged to marry? Just curious...

There were no details given about him by either Chuck or Pen... And when Des asks Pen about the engagement, she says, "*We* haven't set a date yet." And the way she says "We", you almost wonder if she is *not* engaged, the engagement was a lie made up by Papa Widmore, and the "We" that Pen is referring to is in fact Des and Pen.

(I read that idea somewhere else, btw. I don't remember where, but it's not my idea originally.)
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Maybe Penny is Ben's "Man on the boat"! Wouldn't that be a bizarre twist! LOL

*THAT* would be *awesome*!

I heart Penny!!! =)
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I was surprised it took until page 3 of this thread before someone said what was already on my mind for 2 days. I think that a part of their mission (whether it was just Naomi's or all of theirs) is to flat out kill Desmond if they find him there, per order of Widmore. These guys are armed and apparently willing to kill if necessary ("There ARE no survivors", "Not Yeeeeet", etc) and the picture was a photocopy which means it didn't need to have come from Penny. The look on their faces when he asked was more than just recognition, it was an almost sadness.

Daddy don't like Desmond, Daddy want Desmond away from Penny. Daddy Kill Desmond this time.

Yup. I totally thought of this scenario as well... Hopefully it gets thwarted, b/c Des is my brotha!

Penny definitely had the photograph on her bedstand in the Season 2 finale, so a second copy of the photo was made in some part of the storyline that we haven't seen yet.

And since Penny is actively searching for Desmond, it's easily possible that many copies of _that_ copy have been distributed far and wide. Since Penny is likely to be conducting her search behind her father's back, it's at least possible that her father's competitors and enemies may have the photo and know more about her search than her father does. They may use Penny's name as a cover for their actual affiliations, even without Penny's consent. This would explain Penny's confusion in her conversatoin with Charlie.

And all this gives some interesting possibilities besides Charles Widmore as to who may be behind the freighter.

Because they don't know Penny. But they know her last name: Widmore.

They're working for her father.
I doubt it's that simple -- especially with Penny calling the Bunny Hatch station.

I doubt it's that simple -- especially with Penny calling the Bunny Hatch station.It's funny you should say that considering Desmond carries around a stuffed bunny (presumably) given to him by Penny...

Fits in with my "Penny is evil" theory...

It's funny you should say that considering Desmond carries around a stuffed bunny (presumably) given to him by Penny...


Really!? I'm a *big* Des fan and I've never noticed said stuffed bunny... When can this be seen? That's a really interesting detail and I'm quite intrigued now... =)

When Des leaves the Hatch for the first time in S2 and runs into the jungle (before he encounters Jack) you can see him taking along a stuffed bunny.

Fits in with my "Penny is evil" theory...Yesterday 06:27 PM

Just about anything with regards to Penny fits in that theory. It seems to me that every other character, especially the new ones, have had suspicious about them generated but Penny. For some reason, even given the history of how things are not as they seem with this show, very few people question whether she's a "good guy" or a "bad guy". She is taken at face value.

IMO, Danial and Frank recognized more than the Widmore name.

Maybe the Penny that Charlie talked to in the Looking Glass Station was Penny from BEFORE she met Naomi and set up the mission. Now that we know for sure that time is really wacky on the Island, how do we know if Charlie talked to a real-time Penny or a sometime-in-the-past Penny?

WOW, interesting theory. It could work.

There were no details given about him by either Chuck or Pen... And when Des asks Pen about the engagement, she says, "*We* haven't set a date yet." And the way she says "We", you almost wonder if she is *not* engaged, the engagement was a lie made up by Papa Widmore, and the "We" that Pen is referring to is in fact Des and Pen.

(I read that idea somewhere else, btw. I don't remember where, but it's not my idea originally.)
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*THAT* would be *awesome*!

I heart Penny!!! =)
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Yup. I totally thought of this scenario as well... Hopefully it gets thwarted, b/c Des is my brotha!

Yeah, I think the engagement was a lie. When Des asked her about the wedding date, she knew that her father had been in contact with Des and was a big reason Des was staying away from her. She knows Pops is no good.