Is Kate's "him," from TTLG, Ben as well?

Do Sayid and Kate, and perhaps even Jack and the other Oceanic 6 all answer to Ben post-island?

That would suck for them, huh? That would make me want to go back to the island, too!

But I did think of that when we saw Ben pulling Sayid's strings.

Interesting thought, it would explain why Jack is so antsy.

Is Kate's "him," from TTLG, Ben as well?

Do Sayid and Kate, and perhaps even Jack and the other Oceanic 6 all answer to Ben post-island?

Here is my educated guess. Get ready (so the cheap seats can hear me): :megaphone:NO!:twocents::thmbdown:

Ugh.......that would be bad. I'm picturing Kate chained up to Ben like Leia was to Jabba in Return of the Jedi......(Thanks adam8023)


;)

I think Kate's 'him' is her son....not Ben.

Ugh.......that would be bad. I'm picturing Kate chained up to Ben like Leia was to Jabba in Empire Strikes Back......

;)

Not to be rude, but are you trying to make me feel motivated to lose it?

That was Return of the Jedi by the way!

Sorry, next weeks preview made me MAD! (I'm talking Tony Scarface mad!)

Not to be rude, but are you trying to make me feel motivated to lose it?

That was Return of the Jedi by the way!

Sorry, next weeks preview made me MAD!

:biggrin:

You are so right! Jedi it most certainly was..... :)

Ugh.......that would be bad. I'm picturing Kate chained up to Ben like Leia was to Jabba in Return of the Jedi......(Thanks adam8023)


;)


That is a horrible thought. Ben does remind me of Emperor Palpatine a bit with the way he can change his voice for his needs. The scene where Ben was treating Sayid's gunshot wound showed that Ben is pure evil and manipulative just like Palpatine was in Star Wars

I think Ben's interest in Kate is more like Darth Vader's interest in Luke.

I think Ben's interest in Kate is more like Darth Vader's interest in Luke.

Whaaa!! I'm not all over the place on the board, but this is the first I've heard that. Don't tell me if it is, but I hope that isn't spoilerish... I'd rather see that one on screen. "Kate I'm your father" LOL :eek2:

Whaaa!! I'm not all over the place on the board, but this is the first I've heard that. Don't tell me if it is, but I hope that isn't spoilerish... I'd rather see that one on screen. "Kate I'm your father" LOL :eek2:

Nope, just a pet speculation of mine. (And I'm usually wrong.)

in my office, we placed bets last year on who kate's "him" will be and who is in the coffin. i voted for ben as kate's "him", which my co-workers thought was crazy. they all voted for sawyer. but i thought, and still think, there's no way it will be sawyer, because that's entirely too predictable. the writers love to surprise us, and i thought revealing a future relationship between kate and ben the biggest surprise i could imagine.

let me clarify, i wasn't thinking this would be a romantic relationship - that's just gross. i was thinking it would be something along the lines of a working relationship. i theorized she might be protecting him (i.e. acting as his body guard).

now that i see sayid is working with ben in the future, my wild speculation seems more plausible. in fact, i wish i put more than 5 bucks on that bet.

I think we saw this week that Sawyer has no intention to leave the island.

If Sawyer is one of the O6, it appears he will have to go kicking and screaming.

My wife and I think "him" is one of several things. Kate's kid (with Sawyer--likely, but also could be a red herring thrown in by those sneaky writers). Kate's kid (with someone else). Ben. Or Aaron. Which would be the most interesting because it raises two questions. Where is Claire/What happened to her? And, is she raising Aaron as her own?

Just some food for thought.
I'd guess we'll find out next week.

in my office, we placed bets last year on who kate's "him" will be and who is in the coffin. i voted for ben as kate's "him", which my co-workers thought was crazy. they all voted for sawyer. but i thought, and still think, there's no way it will be sawyer, because that's entirely too predictable. the writers love to surprise us, and i thought revealing a future relationship between kate and ben the biggest surprise i could imagine.


Funny - I had the same thoughts myself. I don't know why, but I just saw no end to Ben pulling people's strings even off-island...

Two things. One didn't Des say to Charlie that Claire gets off the island in the ending to S3? Unless something happened to Claire after she gets off then maybe Kate has to look after aaron?

When they get off the island, Kate will still be a fugitive. Maybe Ben protects her in exchange for her help.

I think that it could be possible that kate's "him" could be Ben. Who knows what that snake could hold over her head.

Also, do we know for a fact that Claire and Aaron will get off the island or maybe Des said that so Charlie would go and do what he had to do?

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

If Ben is Kate's "him," it would certainly help to explain why she's not in jail. We've all been wondering that since the first flash forward, and the fact that we SHOULD be wondering that was reinforced by the writer's having Sawyer ask the same thing. As for the coffin, although I hate to think it could be true, perhaps it's Sayid? And his teenaged son (as per the obit) is Nadia's child?

Yeah, I think there is a strong possibility that Kate's "him" is Ben. Either Ben or the dude that Ben is trying to kill aka The Economist. That would make things a little interesting........

I also think that Ben as Kate's "him" is a strong possiblity. I agree that Sawyer would be too obvious. It really could be...

I could def see Ben and Kate having a working relationship - with Ben pulling most of the strings of course. He has manipulated her before - on Hydra island and in Left Behind - and he seems to have a weird interest in keeping her and Sawyer together... or perhaps Kate and Jack separated, for some reason.

Speaking of the "economist", could he be the "lawyer" that visited Hurley at the mental ward offering him a better hospital? He was the same one that sent Naomi on her mission.

I think its very possible.

I mean, Kate is not in prison for some reason... and judging by how far outside the law Sayid seems to be operating (without any repercussions so far, it would seem) I'm sure Ben could arrange something if he wanted to.

Sayid didn't exactly seem like he was thrilled to be working for Ben. Not by a long shot. I don't think their relationship is anything like a friendship. I think Ben, master manipulator that he is, has Sayid wrapped around his little fingers for some reason (protecting Sayid's "friends"). Perhaps he has a similar arrangement with Kate.

I don't see that at all.

No way!!!!!!!!!!!!

If Ben is Kate's "him," it would certainly help to explain why she's not in jail. We've all been wondering that since the first flash forward, and the fact that we SHOULD be wondering that was reinforced by the writer's having Sawyer ask the same thing. As for the coffin, although I hate to think it could be true, perhaps it's Sayid? And his teenaged son (as per the obit) is Nadia's child?

Ditto, I think Kate's him is Ben, and thats exactly why she isnt in jail. I think her and Sayid are working with Ben, and Jack and Hurley are refusing to help him.

I think Sayid only works for Ben because there is a common gal to protect something.

I also think Kate could have assumed the identity of someone from the plane. Someone who may have no living relatives to prove she is not who she says she is. Hence, she would not be arrested.

I hope not, but then again maybe. Oh, who knows? I thought perhaps it's a man who would have the power to keep her out of jail upon her return. Who might that be? I don't know. Perhaps she's on house arrest or under guardianship or something like that because she didn't have to do time due to the fact she was a victim of a plane crash & the court felt sorry for her.
"He's waiting for me" Hum? Oh I hope it's not Ben. I also thought her son (maybe preggers with Sawyers son right now) or Aaron who maybe was left in her care by Claire? All pure speculation on my part.

After last night's revelation, I got the queasy feeling Kate was being controlled by Ben. I hope not, but it would fit.

let me clarify, i wasn't thinking this would be a romantic relationship - that's just gross. i was thinking it would be something along the lines of a working relationship. i theorized she might be protecting him (i.e. acting as his body guard).

now that i see sayid is working with ben in the future, my wild speculation seems more plausible. in fact, i wish i put more than 5 bucks on that bet.

Ditto, I think Kate's him is Ben, and thats exactly why she isnt in jail. I think her and Sayid are working with Ben, and Jack and Hurley are refusing to help him.

I had a feeling at first Kate's him was Ben as well. After last night, it makes more sense; I'm with you SD.

But, I also have a bigger feeling, in line with your thought Diabolo. I think Ben will be instrumental in who the O6 are. That is He choses them, on the Island, for what they can do for him, by being off the Island. Sayid, we've seen. We know Ben likes looking at Kate - maybe Ben is banished?. Maybe Jack was his only real (death) threat on the Island. Hurley (we think) has proven to be special, and a threat to Ben's spiritual lead on the Island (guess where that leaves Locke). And ... I'll keep the rest of this thought to myself for a few more epis ;)...

I can see it being Ben. Makes total sense to me now. I actually think that would be pretty cool. It is alot better then the theories she is going back to Aaron or Sawyer :rolleyes:

good speculation - certainly a possibilty

If it isn't her son, I'll be very surprised.

I thought all along that Kates "him" was Ben.

It's the only thing that makes any sense....Ben is some kind of "handeler" or "controler" if you will. This all seems to be heading in the direction of something like the Illuminati Agian. The illuminati connections are so Blunt. Religion, Physics (Quantum), Mirroring, Redemption, Chaos theory or (Butterfly effect) Good vs Evil - Survival of the Fitttest, Betrayal, The Rabbit Hole, and many others includeing the 12 disciplines of the Illuminati.

To not need (1)
To not want (2)
To not wish (3)
survival of the fittest (4)
code of silence (5)
Betrayal is the greatest good (6)
Not caring (7)
Time Travel (8)
(Sexual Trauma) -With the exception of this one (9,10,11)

And comming of age, (the awakening) if you will (12)

The show often hints they these people may have been "choosen" the iluminati is all about "The Choosen Ones".

There is a common idea about (12) around One and (6) around One.

May things indicate MIND CONTROL and also the fact that many things here are created by design or by the imagination or perception of the observer.

Many people belive the religion of the Illuminati and other secret socities are involved in is Santanic. It is not, it is Luciferian. There is actualy a big difference in the two religions.

Qouted from Svali http://www.illuminati-news.com/072706a.htm
"The ultimate goal of their spiritual philosophy and their sense of discipline is they believe that should you complete all of your training, you become a god. That is their actual end goal. They believe in the achievement of Godhood - of Illuminist philosophy - through what they call Enlightenment, or Illumination, which is how they got their name. "

Svali is a real person by the way- I have spoke to her many times- (that is before she went missing), I belive she and her family are in hiding, due to our last conversation: she told me a pastor was making these arrangments due to a unknown attack on her, on a street on the way home from work where she was pulled into a black van and raped by members of the Illuminati...............To my knowledge no one has heard from her sence. I spoke with her three days after the attack and have not received any further emails from her.

one thing to remember here: everything is by design things are not just happening to these people, the man behind the curtian is creating the chaos and the island is all about reactions, perceptions, the mind, manafestations. "loss of time is also a common denomenator"

One of the things the Illuminati know is that human behavior and human thought can be munipulated by use of controled enviroment, control of information, controled out comes in order to break the sprit if you will to acheive the desired result a total change in the object, the human, the soul. Also the illuminati digs very deep into sience and ancient wisdom of Alantis also hinted to many times through out the show thus far. Also, they are/were very interested in the POLES, the Artic, and the hallow earth. They study the Universe, the SUN and "light" and how it effects all living things. Alot of this show hints to illuminati even though all the parts may not seem to connect to the average person.

The illuminati uses the Duality theme and studies it - I wonder If Ben is Kates "he" and if there is also a possiblity of another "Twin" BEN.
The Illuminati also uses numerology and refer to it as the "magic of the numbers' dateing back to Alantis use of numbers.
The Illuminati uses snow as a symbol to indicate change, the time just before the change occurs when the days become longer and brighter or the transition of the soul.
The illuminati also uses the (Balance of all things) thought. All things work out in the end. Give and Take, Bad and Good, keep the universe balanced or it is forced to correct itself.

So perhaps Ben is a high controler or handeler of something like the Illuminati and the people on the island or certain losties are actualy under the control of this group and may have been for a long time or perhaps even from birth???

I just wanted to add one more thing, in most cases of mind control the "father" was always a problem in the person lives. Either absent, abusive, Dead, or are being controled or handeled through the sinsiter group as well. The connection to the "father" is always important in these sick groups. Peole without "fathers" or "fathers" who do not care about thier children or absent "fathers" or fathers who can not help thier children, these people often become targeted people because the sence of "family" is already absent.

I think Kate's 'him' is her son....not Ben.


Agreed, but I think Kate has a deal with someone she was a criminal and I doubt she gets a free pass from murder because she was in a plane crash. Abaddon got her off and she works for him. " Book it and Lock it"