i guess it goes with his experience but ben must really have some good stuff on him to make him do that...

Who are these people Sayid is killing? Ben indicated Sayid was killing them to protect his friends. I am assuming that his friends are the O6. Who would want them dead now and why? Hanso? Widmore?

I think Ben has Sayid systematically eliminating all of those who were coming after Ben, people Ben said would destroy the island. Maybe Ben's list is like Jacob's list.

Somehow I don't think Sayid has been completely corrupted--even by Ben.

I think he agrees that the people he is killing are "bad." Even though he obviously hates Ben and his relationship to Ben, as well.


If Sayid is killing people he believes to be innocent or harmless in order to protect people he cares about, he is just like Michael--only many times over.

Hanso foundation corporate board members maybe? Just a guess. I am so confused :confused:

I think Sayid is killing people he believes is trying to harm his himself and his friends. I think he believes they are BAD people. Ben has the means to identify who they are. What is strange is why would Ben think it is a good thing for them to know Sayid is after them?

The guy he killed on the golf course had a very obvious reaction when Sayid told him he was one of the Oceanic 6. SO- either he was aware of the truth about the crash and where it ended up OR he got wind that people who meet Sayid seem to die. I think a little of both.

I think he believes they are BAD people.


Judging from Ben's comments, I think that Sayid KNOWS they are bad. And judging from the bracelet on Elsa's wrist, she is obviously associated with with Naomi and her creepy boss.

The guy he killed on the golf course had a very obvious reaction when Sayid told him he was one of the Oceanic 6. SO- either he was aware of the truth about the crash and where it ended up OR he got wind that people who meet Sayid seem to die. I think a little of both.

I don't think he knew Sayid was an assassin because Sayid seemed to think he was covert until he killed Elsi. I think the guy became uncomfortable because he knows the secret and he knows that he and his group is trying to eliminate the O6.

I think it's Dharma. Why else would they send researchers to the island on a mission to get Ben? Clearly they failed, since Naomi was off'd. Ben is going after the people who sent the freighters?

That would help explain Charlotte finding and having knowledge of the Hydra logo.

That would help explain Charlotte finding and having knowledge of the Hydra logo.

Why does this help explain Charlotte and the Hydra logo? I don't get it. Thanks.

Why does this help explain Charlotte and the Hydra logo? I don't get it. Thanks.

Maybe . . .
. . . she discovered Dharma artifacts and they hired her to keep it quiet.
. . . maybe Ben shipped evidence around the globe to throw people off. Maybe he had the polar bear planted in the desert and Charlotte was sent by new Dharma to check it out.

I don't know, but maybe, or something similar.

Let me just get this out of the way first: I definitely did not see this one coming. If I did, I failed to connect the dots. Holy crap!

Now for the List. I think it's whomever funded the initial DI: Maxwell Group, Hanso, et al. They obviously have very deep pockets and want the island and Ben has made it or Jacob has given Ben the task of eliminating them to keep the island's location a secret. Ben has the means to get off the island, especially after what Sayid found in Ben's secret closet with the wardrobe, the stash of different currency, and the passports. Does this mean then, that the sub was not blown up by Locke afterall?The mystery deepens re: Ben and Jacob. For all we know, maybe that was the condition of the bargaining of Charlotte's freedom and Sayid's as well.

It seems we are left to assume that the Losties that chose to stay behind are the ones they are protecting (as well as the island). Wow! Sayid being the hit man for the greater good?
How unfathomable is that?

Still so many unanswered questions, my brain is full.

I think Charlotte may be on Ben's list meaning she might be "executive management". In the future, Sayid is killing people Ben identify as people who want to harm him or his friends. On the island, the first thing Ben tried to do was shoot Charlotte. Maybe he already has the list.

I disagree that the friends that Sayid is protecting are the O6. They are hardly in hiding. (except possibly kate) Remember that dead-charlie was telling hurley, "they need you," which hurley explained to jack as the island doing whatever it can to make them go back. Furthermore, abbadon was asking hurley, "are they still alive." So it seems clear that the people at risk and at issue are the people left on the island.

The bracelets make it clear that the people that Sayid is killing are the heads of the same organization that sent Naomi's group, whatever that may be.

i guess it goes with his experience but ben must really have some good stuff on him to make him do that...

I'm guessing it's more than Ben just having something "on him". Sayid has always been a soldier. He was a torturer. He is used to inflicting pain for the ideal of protecting the greater good. I think something that Sayid holds dear, an idea, Nadia, his freedom, etc., has been threatened and Sayid feels like he has no choice but to be Ben's hired gun.

I found it odd though that the golfer who Sayid shot did not recognise him. Surely if the O6 were famous, lots of people would recognise them anyway, and people interested in the island would definitely know what they look like.

Anyone see this site. Obviously the list is made of people with money which leads to Hanso/Dharma, etc. With the time space issue coming up in the last episode, anyone think that Jacob is actually Locke? The Others treat him as some kind of Messiah and the quote that Ben made in a prior episode "He isn't who we thought he is", makes me believe Jacob could be an older version of Locke.

http://www.hansoair.org/

I agree with oziewall the list is comprized of Hanso people and I would think that the man he was to kill at the end was Hanso himself. Ben somehow conviced the the people on the list are bad and out to hurt the losties.

Does anyone think Ben has Sayid brainwashed???

Does anyone think Ben has Sayid brainwashed???
absolutely not, I believe Sayid is doing what he is doing for a reason. Whether it's protecting his friends like Ben said, I think it's a little deeper than that, I can't wait to get a little explanation on that one! Anyhow, i don't see Sayid as ever being brainwashed.

The list that Ben has reminds me of the SD-6/Alliance of the Twelve that we saw on Alias.

Does anyone think Ben has Sayid brainwashed??? ]

No. I think both Sayid AND Ben (believe) are working for the greater good of at least the O6 and maybe others.

I do not think that Sayid is protecting the O6 but the people still on the Island. Ben is using this motivation to eliminate the threats to himself and the Island.

There had to have been someone closing in on the Economist when Sayid was in Elsa's bed. Sayid knew that the operation was about to come down.

Sayid wasn't the hitman. He was in Elsa's bed when the Economist (or whoever was using his pager) sent the summons. Yet Sayid knew the hit was imminent.

Conclusion: Unless Ben leaves his doggie lair to do hits all by himself (which seems unlikely--he's a manipulator, not an action hero), there are other assassins working in the operation.

It just occurred to me that Jin would be well qualified for a position in Ben's little company.

I do'nt understand what you are getting at here...Elsa's boss is only in Berlin a couple of times a year, the pager was him summoning her (or at least that was the cover). Sayid was waiting for her boss to be in Berlin so he could kill him. There wasn't anyone else. He knew the hit was about to go down because he was about to go do it. He only told Elsa about it because he had grown attached and wanted her to get away.

S: Elsa, you have to leave Berlin

E: what?!

S: u cant be here more

E: what do mean? why would i...

S: people will be asking questions soon, about your employer, and you cant be around to answer themthe hit wasnt about to happen as he stood there, he was going to meet with "the economist" instead of Elsa and kill him. Sayid is the lone assassin for Ben and if he isnt, what Sayid said doesnt prove it

Yeah, I wasn't clear either on if Sayid was to make that particular hit, or if he was just being informed it was about to happen. I like the theory that Jin is also a hitman, it fits in with my idea that everyone of the Oceanic 6 makes a deal with Ben to get off the island.
Jack already made his, the surgery.
Kates is to live/be with Ben. (eww!)
Sayid and Jin work for Ben as hitmen? Sayid was with Ben in the barracks after Locke captured them, who know what they talked about? The fact that he goes for Naomis bracelet immediately after that chat seems suspicious.
Hurley, I'm not sure about...... .

Sayid's conversation with Ben was pretty cryptic, but it didn't seem to indicate that the hit on the Economist had been aborted. It must have been successful--on to the next: "I have another name for you."

Sayid's Achilles' heel is warning people he cares about when something bad is about to go down. (Nadia, Essam.) But I don't think he would have warned Elsa BEFORE the hit took place--not until everything was in motion and it was inevitable. Otherwise, there was too much risk of her alerting her boss. Sayid probably did not rub out the Economist BEFORE the pager call (although, granted, an associate of the Economist could have made the call).

I don't think even Sayid would have had the nerve to go romping with Elsa AFTER the hit, and he certainly would have had no professional need to do so. He was unlikely to have done the hit AFTER being rather badly wounded--he would have been a pretty sloppy hitman.

I think Sayid traced the Economist when he pocketed the pager the night of the opera, and then put the plan into motion.

I admit that it's all circumstantial and conjectural. It just doesn't seem to me that Sayid could plausibly have been both the warner and the hitman simultaneously.

I admit that it's all circumstantial and conjectural. It just doesn't seem to me that Sayid could plausibly have been both the warner and the hitman simultaneously.

The "warner"? I don't understand. He didn't warn Elsa as part of the plan, he warned her because he had fallen for her and wanted her to get away.

Also, in previous posts, it seems that some think the pager was to let Sayid know about the hit. But it wasn't it was Elsa's boss calling her (actually, Elsa's partner trying to make Sayid think Elsa's boss was calling her.) He didn't take the pager to trace it, he took the pager so that Elsa wouldn't miss the call and thus, blow his chance to do his hit job.

The clear implication from the episode, showing Sayid kill the other guy on the golf course, was that Sayid was supposed to kill the Economist.

I don't think it is just the O6, it could be others including the people still on the island. Remeber Elsi was trying to kill Sayid and he is not on the island. Also, at the end Ben reminded Sayid what happened last time he did not think with his guy. I think something may have happened to Nadia and that is why she is not around.

I couldn't understand what Sayid said at the end... what did Sayid say? Ben says "I have another name for you." Sayid says "?" Ben responds with "Good."

Also I think Ben's "Man on the boat" is Sayid... I think Ben knew all along that one of the Losties was gonna get to the boat and just so happened to be Sayid. Kinda like Ben's 'secret plan' is all starting to come together.

I couldn't understand what Sayid said at the end... what did Sayid say? Ben says "I have another name for you." Sayid says "?" Ben responds with "Good."

Also I think Ben's "Man on the boat" is Sayid... I think Ben knew all along that one of the Losties was gonna get to the boat and just so happened to be Sayid. Kinda like Ben's 'secret plan' is all starting to come together.

Sayid said something like "They know I am after them now." and Ben said "Good".

I don't know how Sayid could be the man on the boat because Ben already had a spy on the boat before Sayid left in the helicopter. I think Michael is Ben's man on the boat.

The "warner"? I don't understand. He didn't warn Elsa as part of the plan, he warned her because he had fallen for her and wanted her to get away.



But my question is not about why Sayid warned Elsa . . . it's about the timing of the sequence of events.

If Sayid did the hit on the Economist, when did he do it?

I think that Sayid is killing to protect the Losties that are still on the Island and possibly even the 06. As to who he is killing I'm not sure my guess is that it is Windemore or whoever sent the freighter people because there is a link with Elsa and Naomi via the bracelates.

But my question is not about why Sayid warned Elsa . . . it's about the timing of the sequence of events.

If Sayid did the hit on the Economist, when did he do it?


Some points:

1. Why was the call to Elsa late?

2. I don't think Sayid was successful with the hit. Reasons:

a) Elsa told her partner to leave the hotel immediately.

b) Sayid mentions to Ben that they now know they are being hunted. This implies
to me that someone had to survive to come away with that information and
we know Elsa did not survive.

3. If it wasn't really Elsa's boss calling then Sayid had some bad intelligence fed
to him from somewhere, because he seemed sure that Elsa could lead him to the
person he was looking for and yet it was a setup.

Now he is a headhunter.... I loved that line.:)

But my question is not about why Sayid warned Elsa . . . it's about the timing of the sequence of events.

If Sayid did the hit on the Economist, when did he do it?

Yeah, to agree with dvg, I don't think he was successful on this hit. Because Elsa was a counter agent, and not who he thought she was, she was able to warn The Economist and he/she probably got away.

Ben vs Abaddon. Ben introduced himself at one point as the "good guys", Abaddon obviously represent the bad. And I think when all is said and done we will understand much more of Bens motives once we see just how bad.
Already we are seeing the underhandedness of the Abaddon crew, this must be why the Others always treated our losties so distant, they could never be truly sure one of them was not sent to kill them all.


-Exodus

I know that this probably doesn't follow on this thread but I followed the link on sapwarrior's post to www.hansoair.org (http://www.hansoair.org) and found something interesting. The page describes Oceanic filing for bankruptcy and being taken over by their former partner Hanso. This is a quote from the 'press release'--"With Oceanic Airlines filing for bankruptcy during the holiday season of 2005 following the bizarre disappearances of several Pacific Ocean flights in 2004 the company welcomed the friendly takeover from its former partner, the Hanso Foundation." Why are they referring to "the bizarre disappearances of SEVERAL Pacific Ocean flights?" Does this fall into the theory of a dummy plane being used?

This is my first post so if anyone has already mentioned this, sorry....:)