Why did Frank advise Daniel to hang up the phone if Minkowski answered?

I took it like Frank didn't trust Daniel to know enough to speak with Minkowski about anything. Oh and this has been bugging me... where do we know the name "Minkowski" from? It seems like I can hear Kevin Inman saying it in my mind.

But anyway, OT, that's how it hit me but it could be something more than that.

I think you're thiking of Radzinsky- who was Inman's partner who he claimed committed suicide.

I wonder if Minkowski has been mean to Daniel? Does he not approve of the science experiments? Why would they send scientist/researchers if all they really wanted was to get Ben? of Desmond?

Are these new-Dharma people being planted?

I thought this was interesting too. I mean Miles was dead set on talking to Minkowski and then Frank is telling Dan not to talk to him? I guess we started to see a bit of a split between Miles and Frank, but nothing too drastic. And when Frank was talking to Jack about Dan he definitely didnt seem to think of Dan as stupid in any way. What about Dan's experiment can Minkowshi not know about? Hmmm...

I'm thinking Frank wants Daniel to hang up if it's Minkowski because the four from the helicopter are probably not exactly on task with their mission at this point, and don't want a lot of questions yet. Of course, when Frank shows up on the freighter with Desmond and Sayid in tow it'll be obvious that things are not going quite the way they anticipated, I guess.

I wonder if Frank isn't on board with the mission. He may have sympathy for our Losties. He was supposed to fly 815, so maybe he feels gulty for them being there. Obviously he was obsessed with the crash and memorized the manifest.

I'm thinking Frank wants Daniel to hang up if it's Minkowski because the four from the helicopter are probably not exactly on task with their mission at this point, and don't want a lot of questions yet.

Hanging up on the boss when things are going awry isn't usually a good idea in the long run, I would think...

- mnw

It definitely seems like Frank had a big brother thing going with Daniel. For whatever reason he doesn't trust Minkowski or worries about how Minkowski treats Daniel and that's why he wanted him to only talk to Regina and only about the experiment. Now, why he wouldn't trust Minkowski, who knows? I can understand wanting to watch out for Daniel though. He seems like the kind of guy who's mind is going in so many directions he'd be easily manipulated. I also found it strange that Minkowski didn't come to the phone yet again.

I wonder if Frank isn't on board with the mission. He may have sympathy for our Losties. He was supposed to fly 815, so maybe he feels gulty for them being there. Obviously he was obsessed with the crash and memorized the manifest.

I've been getting this same kind of feeling. Unless he's just a REALLY good bullshitter, Frank isn't coming off nearly as cryptic/sinister as the rest of them. He seems more like a simple, no-nonsense guy, like maybe he's aware they were sent to get some guy named Ben but that's really ALL he knows, and he's more there primarialy just for his expert piloting skills.


EDIT: and speaking of Daniel (well, not me in my post, but all of you :D ) sure I've always loved Jeremy Davies as an actor, but if I look at it objectively, over his career he does kinda seem to play this type of "weird, out there" character A LOT. Though he's great at it, I'm just starting to realize maybe he can't stretch out too far.

I took it like Frank didn't trust Daniel to know enough to speak with Minkowski about anything. Oh and this has been bugging me... where do we know the name "Minkowski" from? It seems like I can hear Kevin Inman saying it in my mind.

But anyway, OT, that's how it hit me but it could be something more than that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_Minkowski

By 1907 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1907) Minkowski realized that the special theory of relativity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_theory_of_relativity), introduced by Einstein in 1905 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1905) and based on previous work of Lorentz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hendrik_Lorentz) and Poincaré (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Poincar%C3%A9), could be best understood in a four dimensional space, since known as "Minkowski spacetime (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minkowski_spacetime)", in which the time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time) and space (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space) are not separated entities but intermingled in a four dimensional space-time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-time), and in which the Lorentz geometry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_transformation) of special relativity can be nicely represented. The beginning part of his address[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_Minkowski#_note-0) delivered at the 80th Assembly of German Natural Scientists and Physicians (September 21 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_21), 1908 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1908)) is now famous:
The views of space and time which I wish to lay before you have sprung from the soil of experimental physics, and therein lies their strength. They are radical. Henceforth space by itself, and time by itself, are doomed to fade away into mere shadows, and only a kind of union of the two will preserve an independent reality.

Frank seems to be somewhat of a disgruntled employee, he referred to Naomi as upper management. He''s the oldest of the freighties and has been around the block a few times and probably learned not to trust people like his employers. He may believe in their mission, but he's got enough life experience not to trust his employers. So far he's the only freightie to express dissatisfaction with his employers.

At least partially, Frank didn't want Daniel talking to Minkowski because Daniel lacks an 'edit' button. As we saw in 4.02 when Daniel was offering up far more info to Sayid than Miles felt was appropriate.

I get the feeling that Frank finds this situation amusing on some level, in part because things are so far off the freighties' plan. He wants to see how it plays out, and apparently Minkowski would put a damper on that fun.

At least partially, Frank didn't want Daniel talking to Minkowski because Daniel lacks an 'edit' button. As we saw in 4.02 when Daniel was offering up far more info to Sayid than Miles felt was appropriate.

I get the feeling that Frank finds this situation amusing on some level, in part because things are so far off the freighties' plan. He wants to see how it plays out, and apparently Minkowski would put a damper on that fun.

Wow, I didn't get that it was fun for him at all. He was deadly serious when he let Mile know that Juliet wasn't one of the passengers of 815. He also seemed pretty darn serious about Daniel hanging up if Minkowski(I have a silly Fisher Stevens story from Sundance if anyone cares) answered the call. He didn't seem amused to me. It seemed more that he was resigned to the situation and would watch out for Daniel if he could. He seems the "salty dog" type that is just used to things going fubar and is ready to play the hand he's been dealt.

This was very interesting. Why would he say that? Me thinks that Minkowski's a nasty, nasty man.


EDIT: and speaking of Daniel (well, not me in my post, but all of you :D ) sure I've always loved Jeremy Davies as an actor, but if I look at it objectively, over his career he does kinda seem to play this type of "weird, out there" character A LOT. Though he's great at it, I'm just starting to realize maybe he can't stretch out too far.

No, I'm sure he can do a lot of other stuff too, but he is yet another victim of typecasting.

in Confirmed Dead, Ben stated that Charlotte was here with two other team members and a pilot. The disassociation of Frank from 'the team' seemed to indicate something to me.

Same goes with that comment. Frank's perception of Minkowski seems to be much different than Miles' perception. Does that stem from there individual roles inside and outside of 'the team'

Maybe there's a rift in the Freighties just with our Losties. Miles definitely wanted to Minkowski and was ticked when he couldn't, yet Frank and Dan don't want to speak to Minkowski. Then when Sayid returns without Miles, Frank tells Sayid something along the lines that "it's a good thing I don't really like that dude anyway." Minkowski and Miles could be there specifically for the mission they were sent for, while Frank, Dan and Charlotte are there for alterior reasons.

I got the impression it meant that if George answered it meant that he was no longer "tied up" that he got loose and that Regina was the one tied up.:biggrin:

Under the heading of foreshadowing, it usually means something significant when someone can't come to the phone and still can't come to the phone every time someone wants to talk to him. Add to that that some people don't want anyone to talk to him, and, clearly, Minkowski's presence or absence is going to be important. I think I'm going to take a peek in the spoiler section to see if any actor has been cast in that role and if so, when he will make an appearance.

I got the feeling as soon as Miles called and got Regina and that Minkowski (sp?) was 'busy'.. that the new Island folks were on their own. That maybe they weren't told it was a one way mission? But that Ben was the mission. They got 'cut loose'.

When Frank told Dan to hang up on Minkowski, I thought that Frank wanted to stick around for a while.

I missed the part last nite where Desmond got on the copter. Did Frank comment that DESMOND wasn't on the plane?


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i was thinking maybe frank could be bens insider.

I thought Frank wanted Daniel to hang up if it was Minkowski b/c their current situation would require too much explaining and/or draw ire from the boss. I think Frank wanted to see how the situation would play out, and wanted to protect Daniel from having to be the shot messenger.

Clearly, not talking to the head honcho is not a good long term plan, but in the meantime, it works just fine.

Why did Frank advise Daniel to hang up the phone if Minkowski answered?


I got the impression it meant that if George answered it meant that he was no longer "tied up" that he got loose and that Regina was the one tied up.:biggrin:

I think Minkowski is Ben's man on the boat. Frank must be aware of this. In last week's ep, Minkowski couldn't come to the phone. He might have actually been captured and tied up. So if Minkowski answered now, that would mean that he was free again and back in control. Thats one possibility anyway.

Under the heading of foreshadowing, it usually means something significant when someone can't come to the phone and still can't come to the phone every time someone wants to talk to him. Add to that that some people don't want anyone to talk to him, and, clearly, Minkowski's presence or absence is going to be important. I think I'm going to take a peek in the spoiler section to see if any actor has been cast in that role and if so, when he will make an appearance.

I guess I don't understand spoilers here. How is the actor playing Minkowski a spoiler? His name has been in the credits every episode this season and his voice was very recognizable to me.

I think Minkowski took away Dan's sat-phone privileges after the conversation where Dan was talking in front of the losties on speaker. After all, Frank's phone is broken, right? So Frank has Dan's and now Dan must ask permission to use it.

It makes perfect sense for Frank to tell Dan to hang up if Minkowski comes on if Frank is breaking Minkowski's order by letting Dan use it.

I think Minkowski took away Dan's sat-phone privileges after the conversation where Dan was talking in front of the losties on speaker. After all, Frank's phone is broken, right? So Frank has Dan's and now Dan must ask permission to use it.

It makes perfect sense for Frank to tell Dan to hang up if Minkowski comes on if Frank is breaking Minkowski's order by letting Dan use it.

When would Minkowski and Frank have spoken since Daniel spoke with Minkowski? Franks Sat phone was broken.