Although we a time discrepancy on the island with how long it takes the payload to arrive, i don't think that neccesarily means time is different on the outside. Frank didn't bat an eye when Jack said he not seen a game in 100 days. It seems to me that statement would have caught Frank's attention if the timelines didn't match.

Although we a time discrepancy on the island with how long it takes the payload to arrive, i don't think that neccesarily means time is different on the outside. Frank didn't bat an eye when Jack said he not seen a game in 100 days. It seems to me that statement would have caught Frank's attention if the timelines didn't match.

funny, i thought he did kinda of react. i thought he was a bit shifty.

I took that statement from Lapidus, don't remind me about that that the Yankees Sox world series had occurred longer than months ago, but rather years. Perhaps the losties have been on the island for as many years as the show has been on. It would explain several throwaway lines. Jack to Sayid at Anna Lucia and Libby's funeral It feels like such a long time ago in reference to the flight. Jack to Kate in TBOTE, it feels like a hundred years ago we came out here. It would also explain Charlotte's line in Confirmed dead to Team Locke: So you've all been living here this entire time suggests longer than months. Slower time would explain why the Oceanic 6 story is so big in the future. People surviving a plane crash for months is big, people surviving a plane crash for years is bigger.

The Red Sox won the World Series in October 2007, as well. Lapidus might have just thought Jack was talking about that. Right?

don't know if this is in any way relevant, but the red sox DID just win the world series again about 100 days ago, maybe Frank was confused?

Yes, the fact that they won 100 days ago could mean that they could be on the island longer than they think they've been.

The Red Sox won the World Series in October 2007, as well. Lapidus might have just thought Jack was talking about that. Right?

But that would still mean that Jack hadn't seen a game in 3+ years, not 100 days. Frank didn't react when Jack said 100 days.

I hate Frank just because "he bleeds Yankee blood."

GO RED SOX !!!!!!!!!

The Red Sox won the World Series in October 2007, as well. Lapidus might have just thought Jack was talking about that. Right?

Yes, but despite the Sox/Yankees rivalry he wouldn't have thought about that series. In that series the Sox swept the Rockies. Also, Frank would understand Jack wasn't talking about that series since he was surprised the Sox had won the world series. The Yankees/Sox series was their first world series win in over 80 years.

Jack had to be talking about the 2004 world series, since the show started in september of 2004, so he missed that series, and Frank must have been referring to the amazing game 7 of the AL Championship win for the Red Sox over the Yankees. :biggrin:

I kind of thought Jack sort of "muttered" his 100 days w/o baseball comment, and it was sort of ambiguous -- intentionally so. Lapidus had a sort of non committal reaction. (In a way, I thought it was similar to the way Locke and Ben reacted to Hurley's disclosure that he'd seen the cabin, sort of a hmmm.... reaction to a non sequitor).

Basically, I thought the writers were messing with us, deliberately making it unclear whether *Lapidus* thought he was talking about the '04 or '07 series.....

My *Question* is, is the April 5, 2007 date on the obituary iof the mystery corpose in Through The Looking Glass a *hard* date?

I know from the interwebs that TPTB used the L.A. Times from that date as the paper Jack was reading (and digitally inserted the fake "obit" in it). But that could've just been because they needed a realistic template for the paper, and they didn't intend to use the realworld date to correspond to a date within the timeline of the show.

Implication for this conversation being, if Future Jack was reading an April 2007 obit, then "Economist" Jack can only have been referring to the 2004 Sox, since the '07 Sox didn't win until November.

Yes, and in the '07 series, there was a good deal of talk during the first round about whether the Yanks or Sox would be the emergant team,. The Yank faithful had high hopes this year, so a Yank fan would be upset, in a Lapidus sort of way, that the Sox won the '07 series.

That still certainly leaves open the reaction to Jack's surprise that the Sox won. Maybe Lapidus is being shifty or didn't put together that Jack was talking about the '04 (finally) victory.

Jack had to be talking about the 2004 world series, since the show started in september of 2004, so he missed that series, and Frank must have been referring to the amazing game 7 of the AL Championship win for the Red Sox over the Yankees. :biggrin:

Not necessarily, ghostofboone. Although the 2004 collapse in the ALCS was the most spectacular choke job in sports history, the Yankees' 3-1 dismantling at the hands of the Cleveland Indians in the 2007 ALDS was also pretty painful. Remember, this was the year regular season MVP "April-Rod" became the youngest player ever to hit 500 home runs, yet handed in another supremely sub-mediocre post season performance (.267 batting; 1 RBI; 0 for 5 with runners on; 4 strikeouts, including stranding all 3 runners on in the soul crushing 2-1 game 2 loss), ultimately punctuating the end of the Joe Torre era with an outrageous (and outrageously classless) salary demand in the 7th inning of the Boston Red Sox Second World Series Victory in three years.

So yeah, irrespective of whether the island's supernatural magnetic fluctuations are bending the fabric of spacetime, Lapidus has plenty reason to whine and complain like your typical Yankees fan.

There were brochures in Lapidus' office dated 2004 in the last episode, so I think it safe to assume they are still in 04 or early 05.

There were brochures in Lapidus' office dated 2004 in the last episode, so I think it safe to assume they are still in 04 or early 05.

Oh, if you can I'd love to see screencaps of those. Thanks!

There were brochures in Lapidus' office dated 2004 in the last episode, so I think it safe to assume they are still in 04 or early 05.
Doesn't mean they're in early 04 or 05, who knows how long it took Abbadon to find and organize the team or more importantly find the island.

Yes, but despite the Sox/Yankees rivalry he wouldn't have thought about that series. In that series the Sox swept the Rockies. Also, Frank would understand Jack wasn't talking about that series since he was surprised the Sox had won the world series. The Yankees/Sox series was their first world series win in over 80 years.

Yeah, that.

So yeah, irrespective of whether the island's supernatural magnetic fluctuations are bending the fabric of spacetime, Lapidus has plenty reason to whine and complain like your typical Yankees fan.

:lol2: Jack would love this thread. Poor thing, he misses ESPN so much.

What does 31 minutes a day mean for 3 months anyway? 104 days instead of 100? It's not THAT monumental of a timeshift.

What does 31 minutes a day mean for 3 months anyway? 104 days instead of 100? It's not THAT monumental of a timeshift.[/quote]
That's if the 31 minutes is the only part of it, it could be one facet of a bigger phenomenon.

Yeah, 2004 wasn't so long ago anyway. Speaking from the perspective of a die-hard Sox fan who can actually name about 80% of the players in their minor league system, nobody has forgotten 2004 on either side of the coin if they still care about baseball. Could mean anything, ultimately.

Not to mention the Yankees' postseason sufferings have continued ever since. They've just not been as dominant, everyone knows it. Mostly it's due to luck than anything else, Cashman runs a fine organization and they've got prospects to match Boston's this year. Anyway, this will turn into a derail if I start talking about Buchholz and Hughes, so I'll leave it at that.

funny, i thought he did kinda of react. i thought he was a bit shifty.

He didn't have time to react. They were interrupted by someone's arrival in camp (Juliet w/Des or Sayid w/Charlotte - don't remember which).

There were brochures in Lapidus' office dated 2004 in the last episode, so I think it safe to assume they are still in 04 or early 05.

it was a flash back,and we don't know how long ago it was.

Frank didn't react when Jack said 100 days.

Didn't Daniel's payload appear in the sky before Frank had a chance to react to Jacks '100 days' line which ended their conversation - he asked about the Sox first ?

I hate Frank just because "he bleeds Yankee blood."

GO RED SOX !!!!!!!!!

And that is why I love him....LOL

GO YANKEES!!!! We still have more rings...lol

Yes, but despite the Sox/Yankees rivalry he wouldn't have thought about that series. In that series the Sox swept the Rockies. Also, Frank would understand Jack wasn't talking about that series since he was surprised the Sox had won the world series. The Yankees/Sox series was their first world series win in over 80 years.

any Yankee fan will tell you it doesnt matter who they won the series over...the Red sox still won....so it could be Franks disgust that the won this year again that put him over the edge.

There were brochures in Lapidus' office dated 2004 in the last episode, so I think it safe to assume they are still in 04 or early 05.

Good catch...but if you ever look at my desk I have papers from same said year that I havent put away yet...lol....I dust around them....lol...put them back...

What does 31 minutes a day mean for 3 months anyway? 104 days instead of 100? It's not THAT monumental of a timeshift.
That's if the 31 minutes is the only part of it, it could be one facet of a bigger phenomenon.[/QUOTE]

Wasnt it 31 minutes to 1 minute? Isnt that the ratio?

What does 31 minutes a day mean for 3 months anyway? 104 days instead of 100? It's not THAT monumental of a timeshift.

31 minutes a day? Remember, by the missile's 'experience', it was only aloft for about a minute. In that minute, 31 minutes passed on the island.

In the case of the missile, the island was experiencing time roughly 31 times slower than the outside world. If that held true all the time, the 100 days on the island would not be 104 days off the island... it would be more like 8 years.

I assume that the time shift is different based upon the conditions surrounding the arrival, rather than fixed, else the flash forwards would be taking place in roughly 2012.

It means that Jack is a Yankee fan,lol!!!!!

Ah, yes. I see we're not exactly sure how the time shift works, but since there are no flying cars and cities floating on clouds in any of the flashforwards we've been shown so far, I think it's safe to assume the Oceanic Six returned to the outside world at some point close to December 2004/January 2005.

It means that Jack is a Yankee fan,lol!!!!!

You know, I've been down with that theory because I thought:

a) he hated his Dad's fatalistic philosophy and how he used the Red Sox as a symbol for being a coward

and

b) he went to school in NYC and lived there for a while.

But I'm thinking nobody told Matthew Fox how to play it and he totally gave Frank a rueful smile and a disapproving shake of the head that said: "I'm not clobbering you over the head cause I need you to fly me off the Island, but otherwise..." So I'm afraid until they settle this somehow, MF played it as if Jack's not a big fan of the Yankees. :biggrin:

go red sox

the interesting thing could be that since the sawx won 2 series, 2004 and 2007 , we could be moving or recalling flash back , or flash forward time ya know

I took that statement from Lapidus, don't remind me about that that the Yankees Sox world series had occurred longer than months ago, but rather years. Perhaps the losties have been on the island for as many years as the show has been on. It would explain several throwaway lines....It would also explain Charlotte's line in Confirmed dead to Team Locke: So you've all been living here this entire time suggests longer than months.

But then she asked Claire if the baby was born on the island, and she seemed quite genuine with that question. Why would she ask if she knew that the plane had crashed years ago? I think that specific question was an indication that there is no major time difference.

Originally Posted by woland
I took that statement from Lapidus, don't remind me about that that the Yankees Sox world series had occurred longer than months ago, but rather years. Perhaps the losties have been on the island for as many years as the show has been on. It would explain several throwaway lines....It would also explain Charlotte's line in Confirmed dead to Team Locke: So you've all been living here this entire time suggests longer than months.

100% agree

big deal that jack hadn't seen a game in 100 days... what i mean is that by crashing on 815, he'd only missed the last 3-4 weeks of the 04 season. NOBODY would've seen a game in 80 or so days, as the season would've ended by mid october. maybe that explains frank's non-reaction to the comment.

We never get to see Frank's reaction to Jack's comment about not seeing a game in "a hundred days", because immediately after the camera shot switches to Daniel and the arrival of the missle with containing the digital timers/clocks with two different times. Hmmm....

And what do me make of another connection to The Bronx (Frank stated his father came from the Bronx). Merely a producer or writer's homage to his hometown, or more than that?

Frank wasn't referring to 2007, and didn't think Jack was, either - Frank, like the rest of the world, knows that 815 disappeared in 2004.

I agree it's possible that the 100 days comment wasn't reacted to, but would have been, if there was a time shift outside the island.

Though, coming from a born-and-raised-in-the-Bronx Yankee fan, with a Red Sox fan husband - ANY Sox win is an affront to the Yanks, and vice-versa. Just to settle that part of the argument. ;-)

Couldn't it also be that Frank is aware of the time difference (that it exists, not the specifics) and has been instructed not to talk about it, just like he's not talking about who hired them, why Naomi had the picture of Des and Penny, etc?

These people seem intent on revealing only the information they need to reveal to the Losties to accomplish their objective. They don't want the Losties to know anything about the island that they don't already know.

But then she asked Claire if the baby was born on the island, and she seemed quite genuine with that question. Why would she ask if she knew that the plane had crashed years ago? I think that specific question was an indication that there is no major time difference.
Perhaps the freighties are under specific orders to keep the timeshift under wraps from the losties. Charlotte's question about Aarron seems to indicate that the freighties know about the pregnancy issue on the island, which is why she said it was amazing that Aaron was born on the island.

As far as Frank possibly reacting to the 2007 win, I don't think this episode was written well before that every happened, so I don't think it could have been thought of when writing the script for the episode. So I think he has to be reacting to the 2004 win that Jack is referring to.

As far as Frank possibly reacting to the 2007 win, I don't think this episode was written well before that every happened, so I don't think it could have been thought of when writing the script for the episode. So I think he has to be reacting to the 2004 win that Jack is referring to.
True, but I still took Frank's reaction to mean that the red sox win against the Yankees was the 2004 victory and it was years ago.

Frank didn't bat an eye when Jack said he not seen a game in 100 days.

How do you know he didn't bat an eye? The camera is on Jack when he says it, and as soon as he delivers the line, it cuts away to the payload finally dropping in, at which point everyone's concentration is broken.

-steve

Agreed...we didn't have time to see his reaction; or even if he initially had no unusual reaction, who is to say he didn't just do a double take a couple of seconds later (after the camera was back on Daniel)? So reaction or no, it is inconclusive.

As far as Frank possibly reacting to the 2007 win, I don't think this episode was written well before that every happened, so I don't think it could have been thought of when writing the script for the episode. So I think he has to be reacting to the 2004 win that Jack is referring to.



Also, Frank kinda gave me a vibe that it only happen once by the way he reacted.

Juliet showed Jack the video with Foulke throwing the ball to Doug M vs. the Cardinals so the series Jack was referring to had to be 2004 series the were referring to.

The 100 days, assuming he saw a game close to when he took off on 815 would have put the "real world" calender around the end of December.

I also agree that the episode was probably written more than 5 months ago.

Just my opinion.

Perhaps the freighties are under specific orders to keep the timeshift under wraps from the losties

I don't think this is the case because until Faraday performs his experiment, they wouldn't know about any time shift.

The Red Sox won the World Series in October 2007, as well. Lapidus might have just thought Jack was talking about that. Right?

They are no way referencing the 07 season, when Ben shared with Jack the Red Sox won he explained everything from 04. Furthermore for non sports fan the Yankees and Red Sox did not play in the playoffs of 07. What made 04 so rememberable to Frank is that the Yankees blew a 3-0 lead and the Red Sox won their first championship in 86 years. All us Yankees fans remember:(

Also, Frank kinda gave me a vibe that it only happen once by the way he reacted.

Well... yeah. Because the episodes were written over the summer and when shot at some point in September/October, neither Jeff Fahey nor the writers even knew the Sox won again. So I don't understand why this is a question.

So i guess it is just a question of whether you think Frank had time to react to the statement or not. But why put that line in if it wasn't to make a point. Jack could have said, "man, i miss baseball" just as easy as he did put a time reference on it.

Jack used the number 100 specifically....which i think it sort of strange. It is now day 93 on the island, late Dec. 2004.

Why would he not have watched any baseball for 7 days? I think there is something very fishy here.

Okay, Naomi landed on the island 6 or 7 days before other freightees, WHY did it take a week for the four to come to the island? Plus, the same amount of time could be explained to account for why Jack says 100 days when they have been on craphole for 93.

Any thoughts?

Jack used the number 100 specifically....which i think it sort of strange. It is now day 93 on the island, late Dec. 2004.

Why would he not have watched any baseball for 7 days? I think there is something very fishy here.

"Man, I've been stranded on this island for 93 days and I haven't watched a baseball game since that Sunday when I TiVoed the Sox... so that would make... *counts in his head*... 95 days and about ten hours, give or take."

WHO talks like that? Jack doesn't know his every word and every move is being followed by an obsessive group of fans who plot timelines and want to know every detail so he does what we all do in conversation, approximate for the sake of making a point. It's been a LONG time for a sports fan like him, it doesn't matter if it was 93 or 100 days. Not for him. The writers didn't put that line in there as just a throwaway reference to show us how much Jack misses his ESPN, it's there to hint at the fact that the timelapse means it's been more than that. Obviously, it can't be significantly more, since there are no flying cars in either of the flashbacks we've seen and Jack travels on a good oldfashioned jumbo jet, not a space pod, but the time difference is there.

It means they are a little over a week away from having been there 108 days. Something big will happen on that day I bet! :hide:

I don't think this is the case because until Faraday performs his experiment, they wouldn't know about any time shift.But would Faraday have bothered with the experiment if he didn't already know about a time shift?

But would Faraday have bothered with the experiment if he didn't already know about a time shift?

Yes because the other guy thats standing right there says "don't worry about him, he does this all the time"

The Red Sox won the World Series in October 2007, as well. Lapidus might have just thought Jack was talking about that. Right?

Nah...Yankees fans didn't care much about the '07 Series. But they were absolutely crushed by the playoffs in '04.

The only time discrepancy we know of is this 31 minute differential. What if this time slowage on the island is a new phenomenon? Something that only began occurring at the time of the Swan implosion?

Yes because the other guy thats standing right there says "don't worry about him, he does this all the time"Yeah, that wacky scientist is always shooting rockets, looking for timeshifts...

Why would he not have watched any baseball for 7 days? I think there is something very fishy here.

He wouldn't have watch baseball for those seven days because he was in Austraila looking for his dad.

I think "100 days" is just an impression of long period not seeing a game, and not reference to actual 100 days.

Jack wouldn't be counting 1 day, 2 days, 3 days etc. "Today is 54th day i have not seen baseball, better make a mental note".

I can also say "feel like i haven't slept in days", when i have actually slept last night.

Come on, when you find on a remote island in the wilderness (he doesnt know if there are any radio's tv's there, its normal to assume not) a man and he talks about I didnt see a game for 100 days, you know he is talking about since the crash, period.
At least you think this, and if you know if 600 have past you will be surprised at least, saying "what?"


unless he knows a lot more!