ok so im hoping someone can get some caps on this.

When dan has the missile fired at the island there is a delay on it reaching him.
He's doing it behing minkowskys back but thats another point to be discussed elsewhere.

The delay is 31 minutes. Dans stopwatch says 02.45.03
The one fired at the island read 03.16.22

John 3:16 is one of the most quoted parts of the bible.
To sum it up it reads those who believe in God will be saved and those who dont believe will suffer eternal death.

So that sums up the fate of our losties. Those who believe they can get off the island will and those that don't will not be saved.

I found this when i searched 3.16.22
"And again, I saw under the sun, in the place of the judges, that evil was there; and in the place of righteousness, that evil was there."

So it possibly could be that our losties are being judged as to who will be saved and who will not.
I know the producers waved away the judgement theory but wouldnt you if you had a show planned and they told you the ending 3 seasons before it finished?

Any extra thoughts?

ok so im hoping someone can get some caps on this.

When dan has the missile fired at the island there is a delay on it reaching him.
He's doing it behing minkowskys back but thats another point to be discussed elsewhere.

The delay is 31 minutes. Dans stopwatch says 02.45.03
The one fired at the island read 03.16.22

John 3:16 is one of the most quoted parts of the bible.
To sum it up it reads those who believe in God will be saved and those who dont believe will suffer eternal death.

So that sums up the fate of our losties. Those who believe they can get off the island will and those that don't will not be saved.

I found this when i searched 3.16.22
"And again, I saw under the sun, in the place of the judges, that evil was there; and in the place of righteousness, that evil was there."

So it possibly could be that our losties are being judged as to who will be saved and who will not.
I know the producers waved away the judgement theory but wouldnt you if you had a show planned and they told you the ending 3 seasons before it finished?

Any extra thoughts?

I have always loved this possibility and always hope this would be a direction they would reconsider. I think they always give everyone clues to fit their theories and perhaps this is another one. That is why I believe this show will end and it will be left up to us to figure it out to a certain extent. I am a religious person, love the bible so when ever this shows continues with the spritual overtones I love it. Good theory.

Daniel 2.45 deals with the aftermaths of a divided kingdom (sounds like what we have going on, on the island) and Daniel 3.16 has to do with 3 leaders who refuse to drop their own separate spiritual beliefs and bow down to what they perceive as a false idol. All three are thrown into Hell

Good catch.

Forgive me for my ignorance, but how do I convert those times into chapter and verse? I would like to read the actual versus. Thanks. :)

Daniel 2.45 deals with the aftermaths of a divided kingdom (sounds like what we have going on, on the island) and Daniel 3.16 has to do with 3 leaders who refuse to drop their own separate spiritual beliefs and bow down to what they perceive as a false idol. All three are thrown into Hell

Pretty good catch - Daniel is one of the more "prophetic" books in the Bible. But who's the third leader? Ben? Mitkowski(sp)?

Forgive me for my ignorance, but how do I convert those times into chapter and verse? I would like to read the actual versus. Thanks. :)

Daniel 3:16 (New International Version)




16 Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego replied to the king, "O Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to defend ourselves before you in this matter.

Daniel 2:45 (New International Version)

45 This is the meaning of the vision of the rock cut out of a mountain, but not by human hands—a rock that broke the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold to pieces.
"The great God has shown the king what will take place in the future. The dream is true and the interpretation is trustworthy."





google "online bible"
the first hit takes you to a site where you can type in the verse you want

Daniel 2.45 deals with the aftermaths of a divided kingdom (sounds like what we have going on, on the island) and Daniel 3.16 has to do with 3 leaders who refuse to drop their own separate spiritual beliefs and bow down to what they perceive as a false idol. All three are thrown into Hell


Good, except you lost me on the last part...they weren't thrown into Hell; they were righteous. The king (who was NOT a follower of the true God) got angry and threw them into a furnace (like an incenerator), from which they emerged unharmed with the help of an angel. The entire book of Daniel isn't a prophecy; it is a historical record that contains prophecies pertaining to King Nebuchadnezzar: the verses from 3:16 up until the furnace weren't part of a prophecy, but meant to be an account of actual events.

So the question is: who is the king--Abaddon? Ben? And who are our three goodly leaders who survived the fire (and who is the angel?) Remember, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego were assciates of the prophet Daniel...could they be the other freighters, or friends he picks up on the island?

Thanks!!!!!

Interesting thoery and good catch!

Good, except you lost me on the last part...they weren't thrown into Hell; they were righteous. The king (who was NOT a follower of the true God) got angry and threw them into a furnace (like an incenerator), from which they emerged unharmed with the help of an angel. The entire book of Daniel isn't a prophecy; it is a historical record that contains prophecies pertaining to King Nebuchadnezzar: the verses from 3:16 up until the furnace weren't part of a prophecy, but meant to be an account of actual events.

So the question is: who is the king--Abaddon? Ben? And who are our three goodly leaders who survived the fire (and who is the angel?) Remember, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego were assciates of the prophet Daniel...could they be the other freighters, or friends he picks up on the island?


i'll bow to your superior knowledge.i thought the furnace was hell,not really a scholar

Did you see the numbers on Daniel's clocks? One said 3:16, while the other said 2:45. As it happens, Daniel 2:45 is the culmination of the story in which exiled Daniel earned an exalted place in King Nebuchadnezzar's court by interpreting a dream concerning the future of Babylon and how ''the fourth kingdom will be a divided kingdom.'' Hey — that sounds like the fourth season of Lost! Meanwhile, Daniel 3:16 is part of the famous story of how Daniel's friends Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego were thrown in the fiery furnace but were saved by God. How might that apply to Lost? Well, thematically, the story deals with three men who refused to abandon their spiritual beliefs and bow down before a false idol — a story that stands in stark contrast to Sayid's flash-forward arc.

Did you see the numbers on Daniel's clocks? One said 3:16, while the other said 2:45. As it happens, Daniel 2:45 is the culmination of the story in which exiled Daniel earned an exalted place in King Nebuchadnezzar's court by interpreting a dream concerning the future of Babylon and how ''the fourth kingdom will be a divided kingdom.'' Hey — that sounds like the fourth season of Lost! Meanwhile, Daniel 3:16 is part of the famous story of how Daniel's friends Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego were thrown in the fiery furnace but were saved by God. How might that apply to Lost? Well, thematically, the story deals with three men who refused to abandon their spiritual beliefs and bow down before a false idol — a story that stands in stark contrast to Sayid's flash-forward arc.




Good catch!

We know there are a lot of Biblical references on the show even though Eko's dead.

In another thread I posted that I believed that Frank was the only one who didn't know the real mission. Perhaps none of the freighties no the "real mission" and once they do are forced to make a decision which would somewhat mirror Daniel 3:16?

I have always liked the theories related to the biblical/religious undertones in Lost. I am still hoping that it may turn out to be at least a major part of the story in the end. And above the part in the bible that they were thrown in a furnace and emerged unharmed with the help of an Angel..... ring any bells.......... Ben throws Locke into a pit with all the other dead Dharma people and rises, seemingly unharmed after being spoken to by Walt (ie an angel?) So maybe Ben is like the king that doesn't beleive in the true God, since he seems to like to play God a lot himself.

We know there are a lot of Biblical references on the show...


Any reference, whether it be biblical, scientific, theological, mathematical, supernatural or otherwise, can, have and will be interpreted, stretched and/or molded to the jagged edges of Losts many mysterious nooks and crannies.

That's why we love it, I guess. Our theories are always right...

....until, like eight episodes later.

Thank you so much for this find. Right now my head is spinning with all the information we have been given this season. You know, all along I have thought the smoke monster was - the shadow of death from Psalm 23 "Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death"

So I have been searching the bible looking for places where the numbers show up.....

Very interesting catch! i missed the epi last night and just watched it online. Genius!

(quick question: can anyone give me a link to view the promo for next week's episode?)

Did you see the numbers on Daniel's clocks? One said 3:16, while the other said 2:45. As it happens, Daniel 2:45 is the culmination of the story in which exiled Daniel earned an exalted place in King Nebuchadnezzar's court by interpreting a dream concerning the future of Babylon and how ''the fourth kingdom will be a divided kingdom.'' Hey — that sounds like the fourth season of Lost! Meanwhile, Daniel 3:16 is part of the famous story of how Daniel's friends Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego were thrown in the fiery furnace but were saved by God. How might that apply to Lost? Well, thematically, the story deals with three men who refused to abandon their spiritual beliefs and bow down before a false idol — a story that stands in stark contrast to Sayid's flash-forward arc.

Well, that depends on Sayid's POV. He may not think he's bowing down to a false idol. And if it turns out Jack and Kate are doing Ben's bidding, they may be suffering under the same delusions.

Nice connection! :thumbsup:

Well done.

Many similarities exist between Lost and Nebuchadnezzar's Dream, and both have been paralleled with Matrix.

In Matrix, Morpheus is the pilot of the Nebuchadnezzar. Zion is a civilization that has been destroyed and rebuilt time and again.

In the Bible, Nebuchadnezzar dreams of a magnificent statue with a head of gold, chest and arms of silver, belly and thighs of brass, legs of iron and feet of iron and clay. Then the statue was destroyed by a stone cut without hands, leaving only a four-toed foot (ok, that last part isn't accurate). The stone became a great mountain that filled the Earth.

Daniel interprets Nebuchadnezzar's dream to mean that each layer of the statue represented a kingdom or civilization. Nebuchadnezzar is the head of gold. But his kingdom will pass and the next civilization will be a kingdom of silver, for silver is inferior to gold. The fourth kingdom is strong as iron. "And as iron breaks in pieces and subdues all things, so this kingdom will break in pieces and bruise. As there are two legs, so this kingdom will be divided. And as clay won't mix with iron, so this kingdom won't unite."

Matrix = Zion, destroyed and built again, civilization after civilization passes. The first Zion was a Utopia, it failed because people needed conflict.

Lost = currently living in the Fourth Kingdom as shanzy pointed out given the Lost clues and speculation: The Circle, Adam and Eve, the four-toed statue similar to the demolished statue in Nebuchadnezzar's dream, previous civilizations on the Island, time dilation, mobius time loop, enter Daniel, strong iron Losties divide, break and bruise. Will they be able to unite the kingdom before the end of Season 6?

Also, biblical Daniel saves his life and those of his buddies because Nebuchadnezzar orders the execution of all Babylon's wisemen. Miles refers to Daniel as genius just before he pushes him out of the helicopter. You think Daniel is going to play an important role?

Very nice catch!! Interesting.

Thank you so much for this find. Right now my head is spinning with all the information we have been given this season. You know, all along I have thought the smoke monster was - the shadow of death from Psalm 23 "Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death"

So I have been searching the bible looking for places where the numbers show up.....

That would be cool. Someone else suggested Karma but I think that would be lame. The shadow of death....sweet! Why one cool and the other lame? I have no more idea than do the writiers.

Daniel 3:16 says, "Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego replied to him, 'King Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to defend ourselves before you in this matter."
That seems to be a common concept on this show with/between all the characters... "not needing to defend themselves," especially the island itself.

For kicks i looked up Daniel 8:15, and it says, "While I, Daniel, was watching the vision and trying to understand it, there before me stood one who looked like a man."

I know the beauty of religion and Christianity is the many different interpretations one can have of the text, but this verse eerily and clearly reminds me of the smoke monster and its frequent manifestations as particular people.

Daniel 3:16 (New International Version)




16 Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego replied to the king, "O Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to defend ourselves before you in this matter.

Daniel 2:45 (New International Version)

45 This is the meaning of the vision of the rock cut out of a mountain, but not by human hands—a rock that broke the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold to pieces.
"The great God has shown the king what will take place in the future. The dream is true and the interpretation is trustworthy."





google "online bible"
the first hit takes you to a site where you can type in the verse you want


how about a volcano??? A volcano is technically a rock that could "cut" through much!
TPTB have eluded to a volcano being important.

Daniel 2.45 deals with the aftermaths of a divided kingdom (sounds like what we have going on, on the island) and Daniel 3.16 has to do with 3 leaders who refuse to drop their own separate spiritual beliefs and bow down to what they perceive as a false idol. All three are thrown into Hell


Awesome catch going to check this out right now, can't wait to read more commnets on this.
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I have always liked the theories related to the biblical/religious undertones in Lost. I am still hoping that it may turn out to be at least a major part of the story in the end. And above the part in the bible that they were thrown in a furnace and emerged unharmed with the help of an Angel..... ring any bells.......... Ben throws Locke into a pit with all the other dead Dharma people and rises, seemingly unharmed after being spoken to by Walt (ie an angel?) So maybe Ben is like the king that doesn't beleive in the true God, since he seems to like to play God a lot himself.

I just watch the episode where Ben has back surgery and he ask Jack if he belived in God and Jack said do you and Ben replied I got diagnoised with a tumor on my spine two days later a plane crashes with a spinal surgeon if that isn't proof of God I don't know what is. So I certainly think unlike the King Ben is grounded in his belief of God.

This is from a similar thread posted a little earlier:

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=88967

Re: the bible, not time
Well done.

Many similarities exist between Lost and Nebuchadnezzar's Dream (Daniel 2:1-49), and both have been paralleled with Matrix.

In Matrix, Morpheus is the pilot of the Nebuchadnezzar. Zion is a civilization that has been destroyed and rebuilt time and again.

In the Bible, Nebuchadnezzar dreams of a magnificent statue with a head of gold, chest and arms of silver, belly and thighs of brass, legs of iron and feet of iron and clay. Then the statue was destroyed by a stone cut without hands, leaving only a four-toed foot (ok, that last part isn't accurate). The stone became a great mountain that filled the Earth.

Daniel interprets Nebuchadnezzar's dream to mean that each layer of the statue represented a kingdom or civilization. Nebuchadnezzar is the head of gold. But his kingdom will pass and the next civilization will be a kingdom of silver, for silver is inferior to gold. The fourth kingdom is strong as iron. "And as iron breaks in pieces and subdues all things, so this kingdom will break in pieces and bruise. As there are two legs, so this kingdom will be divided. And as clay won't mix with iron, so this kingdom won't unite."

Matrix = Zion, destroyed and built again, civilization after civilization passes. The first Zion was a Utopia, it failed because people needed conflict.

Lost = currently living in the Fourth Kingdom as shanzy pointed out given the Lost clues and speculation: The Circle, Adam and Eve, the four-toed statue similar to the demolished statue in Nebuchadnezzar's dream, previous civilizations on the Island, time dilation, mobius time loop, enter Daniel, strong iron Losties divide, break and bruise. Will they be able to unite the kingdom before the end of Season 6?

Also, biblical Daniel saves his life and those of his buddies because Nebuchadnezzar orders the execution of all Babylon's wisemen. Miles refers to Daniel as genius just before he pushes him out of the helicopter. You think Daniel is going to play an important role?
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how about a volcano??? A volcano is technically a rock that could "cut" through much!
TPTB have eluded to a volcano being important.

Yes, that is a logical summation.

There maybe more evidence of a judgement day in the episode.

Sayid states when he is in 'jail' with Ben and Locke that the day he starts trusting Ben is the day he sells his soul.

Lo and behold at the end of the spisode he begins to trust Ben.

It almost seems as if the real world is a type of purgatory for the Oceanic 6-- it keeps them away from the Island, where they really belong, and it sucks for them there.

BTW, if there is one belief I will hold to stronger than anything, it's that that volcano is going to erupt before the end of the series.

Remember, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego were assciates of the prophet Daniel...could they be the other freighters, or friends he picks up on the island?

I don't think Daniel Faraday need be a parallel for the prophet Daniel. I think his first name might have just been a hint to point us in the direction of those verses.

ok so im hoping someone can get some caps on this.

When dan has the missile fired at the island there is a delay on it reaching him.
He's doing it behing minkowskys back but thats another point to be discussed elsewhere.

The delay is 31 minutes. Dans stopwatch says 02.45.03
The one fired at the island read 03.16.22

John 3:16 is one of the most quoted parts of the bible.
To sum it up it reads those who believe in God will be saved and those who dont believe will suffer eternal death.

So that sums up the fate of our losties. Those who believe they can get off the island will and those that don't will not be saved.

I found this when i searched 3.16.22
"And again, I saw under the sun, in the place of the judges, that evil was there; and in the place of righteousness, that evil was there."

So it possibly could be that our losties are being judged as to who will be saved and who will not.
I know the producers waved away the judgement theory but wouldnt you if you had a show planned and they told you the ending 3 seasons before it finished?

Any extra thoughts?

If you're saying these numbers are for Bible references, I would think it's stretching to think so. While 3:16 did jump at me, the fact that the seconds show a third set of numbers I'm inclined to think these numbers are mere coincidence because there are no third sets of numbers for Bible references. There's only the [book name] [chapter #] : [verse number] - after that there are no more numbers to it.

I don't know if you're referencing those being saved are the same as those being rescued, but if you are, it seems to be quite the contrary. Up to this point, all we know who are rescued are Jack, Kate, Hurley, and Sayid. Jack's a junkie (even worse than Charlie as a junkie IMHO), Kate seems to be enslaved to this "him," Hurley is back in the mental institution (regardless if he's mental or not), and Sayid is a killer for Ben. I wouldn't be surprised if the remaining two of the Oceanic 6 are having dark futures as well.

It almost seems as if the real world is a type of purgatory for the Oceanic 6-- it keeps them away from the Island, where they really belong, and it sucks for them there.

I doubt being rescued is purgatorial, because to imply that would imply there is some form of punishment to "cleanse" or "purge" the iniquities. The Island seems to be a closer chance to be cleansed.

But if you are referring to the real world as being this dark place (at least for our heroes), then you'd be right. Anything in that world is bad - it's anything but normal. It almost makes you wonder - where do you really want to live? An Island that death is possible from It's own inhabitants/monsters, but the chance of redemption/utopia? Or would you rather return to old lifestyle, where guilt and shame occur?

Awesome catch going to check this out right now, can't wait to read more commnets on this.
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I just watch the episode where Ben has back surgery and he ask Jack if he belived in God and Jack said do you and Ben replied I got diagnoised with a tumor on my spine two days later a plane crashes with a spinal surgeon if that isn't proof of God I don't know what is. So I certainly think unlike the King Ben is grounded in his belief of God.

OK. Now, think of this. If the time rate differential theory is correct (and I think it is), then how long in the real world equals two days on the island? Immediately after being diagnosed with a spinal tumor, Ben could have hatched a plan to get Jack on the plane, knowing that the plane was planned to crash. His operatives could have had weeks in the outside world to arrange for Jack to be on that plane that would crash on the island two days later.