I think it would be a good story line if Sun had to leave the island to have her baby without complications, but for some reason Jin couldn't leave. They probably told her she would be able to come back, or just maybe knowing she would die forced her to leave Jin. Jin would probably want her to go anyway. He'd rather know she and the baby are alive than be with Sun for her last moments.

She probably wants to get back to the island as bad as Jack and Hurley do. Maybe even more.

1. Jack
2. Kate
3. Hurley
4. Sayid
5. Ben?!?! We see him off the island.
6. Desmond?!?! He's on his way to the freighter with Sayid.

We are being lead to believe that this may be it,. However,
I'm sure a new twist awaits us

Ben and Desmond were not on Oceanic flight 815...They are not part of the Oceanic 6...

I dont think Ben and Des count.... they werent on the Oceanic flight. And it seemed like Ben was hiding or being shady or something, so I doubt he's famous for Oceanic.
Could the other 2 be... Sawyer and Claire????

Ben and Desmond were not on Oceanic flight 815...They are not part of the Oceanic 6...
Right, plus we've seen that Ben has numerous passports and tons of different currencies. He's off of the island but that doesn't make him part of oceanic 6. He has probably left the island tons of times and just because Des was on the helicopter doesn't mean he makes it off of the island, I don't think the writers would make it that obvious who else gets off the island. He wouldn't be part of the oceanic 6 either, like mom has already stated.

I agree 100% that they were not on the flight, but a story was fabricated to show the ones we know of miraculously survived.
Why is it not possible that the manifest was tampered with as well?!

i feel very sure that sawyer is one of them, because of kate's line in the season 3 finale thats like "i have to get back to him" or whatever. But she could be refering to someone else, the writers often want to throw us off.

however, i don't think that Kate would want to leave sawyer on the island,
but this episode makes it clear that he wants to stay.

and i also think that Claire is probably one of the oceanic 6 because of Desmond's vision of her on the helicopter.

Michael and Walt

Andok beat me to it. Bah! :-)

Ben can come and go as he pleases.

I'm pretty sure Sun is going to be one of them. I mean, she'd die if she stayed.

I will call my official "6-Pack" now;

Jack
Kate
Hugo
Sayid
Juliet - Yes, not on the flight I know. I stand by this.
Aaron

Jack
Kate
Sayid
Hugo
Sun - she'll die otherwise, plus her dad has tons of $$ and he may be tied to all of this somehow
Jin - would not let Sun leave without him...maybe he's going to be a killer for Ben too, he has the job experience

Jack
Kate
Sayid
Hugo
Sun - she'll die otherwise, plus her dad has tons of $$ and he may be tied to all of this somehow
Jin - would not let Sun leave without him...maybe he's going to be a killer for Ben too, he has the job experience

These are the six that I'm betting on too. Not sure how it's going to come to pass that Hugo, Sun and Jin end up getting off, but we have a ton of episodes before the series ends to show us how that happens. I lean towards Sun, because I have a feeling that her father and his money are looking for her also. I know we haven't seen anything to suggest it, but it's a strong belief of mine. I wouldn't be surprised if he knows a lot more than we have been told so far, and gets her and Jin out of there.

I was apprehensive to say Kate was one of the Oceanic 6.. because of her criminal record I figured they would give her some kind of fake identity and not put her in the public eye. But from clips of next week's show, I guess she really did get off the island.

The Oceanic 6, so far, has been people who have wanted to get off the island. I believe less and less that Sawyer leaves the island. He has stated he doesn't want to, and really has nothing to go back for. I think the 'him' Kate refers to could have been someone we have not yet met, same goes for the coffin.

And I understand Desmond had a vision of Claire getting in a helicopter and taking off.. but that doesn't necessarily mean she gets off the island. Sayid and Desmond just got in a helicopter and took off, but they're not going home. Perhaps Claire somehow gets to the freighter and something goes wrong?

Just some thoughts. Here's my list:
-Jack
-Kate
-Hurley
-Sayid
-Claire
-Sun

I still believe that the Others or Desmond would NOT count in the O6.. they weren't on the plane. Though I do think it's a good point that the manifest could surely be tampered with.

Michael and Walt


Im with Andok, only logical answer as of this minute, time, and date.. lol. I honestly expect a LOST twist though. ; )




"dude, you got some Arzt on you"

I am not positive that only six came back from the island. Its not like the freighters were advertising that they found survivors - they don't even seem to care (except for Daniel's emotion towards the tv report of "815"). What if Jack's worry about a possible revelation from Hurley concerns other survivors that are incognito off the island (possibly Kate is one and thats why she isnt in jail?) Maybe some of them dont want to be discovered and are living as such? Maybe Ben is covering up for them and Sayid is protecting them from being discovered off the island?

I think the Oceanic 6 had to be on Flight 815, so Ben, Juliet, Desmond, they don't count.

I'm thinking the other 2 have to be Sun and Jin. She will die if she stays and he will not let her go without him. I don't think Claire will go because of Charlie's warning.

I also think the reason Kate leaves is her pregnancy. Time will tell.

Jack
Kate
Hugo
Sawyer
Sayid
Claire (not counting Aaron as he wasn't yet born)

I have changed my mind from last week. I still contend that the 6 must be on the plane. BUT just because you are on the plane doesn't mean they counted you as one of the six...

My new theory is that Kate is not included in the six. She never said to anyone that she is part of the Oceanic Six. To avoid jail she took on a different identity and left the island WITH BEN. He is holding something over her head and that is who she needs to get back to when talking with Jack.

Also I now think that it is Michael in the casket and the he is Ben's mole on the ship.

Jack
Kate
Hugo
Sayid
Sun
Jin

Something of interest & discussion .......


I've also heard about a 7th aswell, who might possibly be revealed right at the end of next weeks ep! mwuhahaha!! :biggrin:

I forgot to mention my six are now:

Jack
Hurley
Jin
Sun
Claire and ummmmmm
Michael

I just wanted to point out that we don't know that its the Freighter people who get the O6 off the island. After last night, I tend to think that, in the end, Ben wins, and it is Ben who cuts some sort of deal to let those 6 leave while everyone else has to continue their life on the island.

Since I have a feeling that Sun's father is part of the group that sent the freighter, I don't think his money will have an effect on whether Sun and Jin get off. I'm not saying that they won't, just that it won't be Mr. Paik's influence that gets them off, but because it benefits Ben in some way.

I agree 100% that they were not on the flight, but a story was fabricated to show the ones we know of miraculously survived.
Why is it not possible that the manifest was tampered with as well?!

IMPOSSIBLE!!!

If these people are all after Ben and he is in danger...

1. Why would he go public with his idenity? If he did, he would be such an easy target.

2. If they're after Ben to capture/kill him now, then why in the future would they let him off island and do a whole cover up story and then sometime after go back to try and kill him. It not only makes no sense but it would be the most imporbable thing to ever happen on a tv show EVER!

3. It can't be Desmond because what would Widmore(Daniel seems to know the name) have to gain by making Desmond famous and making a cover story for him? Desmond was not on the plane so obviously Widmore could use something else to keep Desmond quiet. It makes no sense why he would make him one of the survivors. Not to mention then Desmond would be able to be with Penny and that is something Widmore has tried to prevent ever since he met Desmond. No way does he suddenly just allow it to happen which is what would happen if Desmond was a celebrity. Penny would find him easy. If anything Widmore would keep Desmond as a prisoner on the freighter for all time. He would never allow him to get close to his daughter.

4. Daniel said she will never leave the island and obviously Alex wouldn't either. Richard and the Other's would obviously die before being forced to leave the island and never return.

5. Finally Juliet is the only other person and what would be gained by making her a celebrity? Add to the fact Juliet cares about no one on the island. All she cares about is her sister. So they would use that against her, to keep her quiet. So then why make her famous and give her unlimited money? Mkaes no sense.



So it has to be 6 people from the island. We know of

1.Jack
2.Kate
3.Hurley
4.Syaid

I think the last 2 are Sawyer and Christian.

Sawyer said he had nothing to go back to, that is unless Kate said if he goes back they can be together forever. If that was the case then Sawyer would go back.

As to Christian from what we saw in the "White Rabbit", "Mobepisodes", "The Beginning of the End" and last seasons finally I think Christian is alive and he will be the final member.

Just in case you don't know

There is a thread in the spoiler section that tells who is in the oceanic 6. I can't find it b/c they the search is disabled but it is there.

Laters

IMPOSSIBLE!!!
If these people are all after Ben and he is in danger...3. It can't be Desmond because what would Widmore(Daniel seems to know the name) have to gain by

You're whole post is based on two assumptions:

1)The Freighter people are responsible for the O6 leaving the island
2)Widmore is behind the freighter

I think #2 is true, though there is scant evidence in the show to support it (thought stuff from the ARGs apparently does). As I said in my previous post, I think assumption #1 is completely wrong. They freighter was never there to rescue the 815 survivors in the first place. And it seems like, in the end, Ben wins, because if the freighter people win, Ben would be dead, not sending Sayid on hit missions.

IMPOSSIBLE!!!

I think the last 2 are Sawyer and Christian.



Are we already back on the Christian is alive theory, this early into the season??

I believe firmly the Oceanic 6 have to be 6 people from the plane, though I am convinced others may get off the island as well. I say:

Kate
Jack
Hugo
Sayid
Sun
Jin

I am more convinced now than ever that Kate will end up pregnant and the "he" she refers to is her son. Sun is pregnant so she must get off the island as well. Jin will never leave her. I don't see what Claire gains from leaving as she was planning to give up her baby and I think Des told Charlie a littel bit of a lie to get himto complete his mission!

Why isn't anyone nominating Claire and Aaron for the last two remaining slots? That result is what Charlie sacrificed himself for, right? I know Claire is with Locke right now. But there is nothing to prevent Charlie coming to Claire in the form of an apparition and guiding her to the helicopter himself, or something along those lines.

Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Claire and Aaron.

I think that there is a possibility that Sayid is NOT one of the Oceanic Six, even though this is precisely what he told Mr. Avellino just before shooting him on the golf course. The reason for this doubt stems from a couple of things: 1) Sayid and Desmond leave the Island on the helicopter, and their future and how they get back to civilization is uncertain - it may very well be that they end up finding a way back that is completely different from the other Oceanic Six, and 2) it seems as if there is a bit of doubt about Sayid's existence off the Island when he discusses his missions with Ben in the veteranarian's office. Sayid says that "now they know about me", and Ben then says "good".

Perhaps I err on the side of caution, but I just am not convinced that Sayid is definitely one of the Six. In fact, I'd say that in my opinion there are really only three people so far who are most likely definitely on the list: Jack, Kate and Hurley.

Why isn't anyone nominating Claire and Aaron for the last two remaining slots? That result is what Charlie sacrificed himself for, right? I know Claire is with Locke right now. But there is nothing to prevent Charlie coming to Claire in the form of an apparition and guiding her to the helicopter himself, or something along those lines.

Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Claire and Aaron.

What Charlie heard may have changed both Desmond's and Claire's minds about whether or not she should leave. When Desmond sent Charlie, it was still under the assumption that Naomi had been sent by Penny. Charlie therefore may have sacrificed himself to prevent Claire from getting on the helicopter as opposed to getting on. He knew Desmond would pass on the message that the people on the boat are not who they originally thought thry were...

Perhaps I err on the side of caution, but I just am not convinced that Sayid is definitely one of the Six. In fact, I'd say that in my opinion there are really only three people so far who are most likely definitely on the list: Jack, Kate and Hurley.

yep, im gonna have to agree with this. i mean, i think when Sayid was worried that "now they know" was more about that now they know he was after them, rather than that he left the island. but i still think he left in a completely different way than jack, kate or hurley, and was not part of the oceanic 6.

But in the preview for this past week's episode, it said the 4th member of the Oceanic 6 would be revealed. So it must be Sayid as no one else from the plane was revealed as being off Island...

But in the preview for this past week's episode, it said the 4th member of the Oceanic 6 would be revealed. So it must be Sayid as no one else from the plane was revealed as being off Island...

Well, that's a clincher. If this is really so - I can't seem to find the preview from last week on ABC's list of podcasts (http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=index), so I can't verify what you're claiming. Not that I doubt you, Gamma, but I usually like to have things backed up when I'm investigating them, especially in the world of Lost.

Well, that's a clincher. If this is really so - I can't seem to find the preview from last week on ABC's list of podcasts (http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=index), so I can't verify what you're claiming. Not that I doubt you, Gamma, but I usually like to have things backed up when I'm investigating them, especially in the world of Lost.

I completely understand! I wasn't really asking anyone to believe me, I was just making a comment and asking a question. But if you recorded last week's (or see a preview here soon)...the new preview says:

The 5th one will be revealed. Sounds like they're introducing a new one each week.

The 5th one will be revealed. Sounds like they're introducing a new one each week.

Unless Kate is the one they're talking about...even though we already know that, in which case we'd still have two to go.

1. Jack
2. Kate
3. Hugo
4. Sayid
5. Sun (Not Jin though, for some reason)

And the last person will be someone that technically was on the plane but isn't a main character. :|

I'd say Claire but she seems irrelevant anymore.

I don't know who the Oceanic 6 are going to be, beyond the one's we know, but I'm pretty sure the last one is going to be a mind-*edit* , a real shocker. That or/and more than 6 got off, for off-the-record sorts of reasons.

So far everyone who has left the island has also left any chance for "redemption" behind. Jack's an alcoholic/drug addict, Hurley's back in the institution, Sayid is a killer yet again, Kate - we'll know this week. It would make sense that Sun and Jin are the other 2 since Paik Industries is connected to Widmore..and they must have something to do with the freighter. Jin will again bend to the will of his father in law

1. Jack
2. Kate
3. Hurley
4. Sayid
5. Ben?!?! We see him off the island.
6. Desmond?!?! He's on his way to the freighter with Sayid.

We are being lead to believe that this may be it,. However,
I'm sure a new twist awaits us


i also think think that there is a twist....jin and sun..are still missing....i think they get off..but we just don't know it yet

Since we are about to find out who the next O6 Lostie is, I was wondering if anyone gave any thought to the connection of the name of the next episode.

eggtown


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1) Jack
2) Hurley
3) Claire
4) Aaron
5) Sawyer
6) Sayid

I don't think Kate would have been part of the 6, we know she gets off the island but she wasn't in jail in the flash forward and she wouldn't agree to go back if she would go to jail, so I think she would have been given a new identity by the people who get the 6 off the island and her return would have been kept secret from the general public.

I'm not too sure about all of them leaving any chance of redemption behind. Kate wants to go back home and knows full well that she will be facing murder charges. It could be that someone gets the charges cleared but she doesn't know that will happen. And she's the only one that doesn't look like the return has harmed her in any way - from what we can see in Jack's FB. Returning for her may be working out, especially if she also received a large settlement from the airline as Sayid did.

I personally don't think their redemption is predicated on where they are but more on what they did. They are lying again and have left their fellow Losties behind. Guilt - it's a powerful source of motivation for good or bad deeds.

I'm not too sure about all of them leaving any chance of redemption behind. Kate wants to go back home and knows full well that she will be facing murder charges. It could be that someone gets the charges cleared but she doesn't know that will happen. And she's the only one that doesn't look like the return has harmed her in any way - from what we can see in Jack's FB. Returning for her may be working out, especially if she also received a large settlement from the airline as Sayid did.


As far as I can recall, Kate is the only one who has shown NO remorse for her principal crime.

As far as I can recall, Kate is the only one who has shown NO remorse for her principal crime.

Yes, similar to Eko who told Yemi on the island that he was not sorry for what he did. They both feel they were justified in doing what they did.

I think that the O6 are only Losties that were passengers on 815. Desmond doesn't count, Ben doesn't count, Juliet doesn't count, imho. So we have Jack, Hurley, Sayid, Kate so far. I would hope Claire and Sun would get off but I think the story would be far more interesting if they don't.

Maybe Sawyer? If he loves Kate enough and can swallow his pride, he'll return with her. But I have a feeling he doesn't make it. He may go out in a blaze of glory. :frown:

Its not Aaron. Just like its not Desmond, Juliet, or Ben. The six will all be ones who were on 815.

I just read in the February 29, 2008 issue of Entertainment (page 6) that producers suggest that Ben could have passed himself off as a passenger of 815 and is one of the Oceanic 6. They promise that the guessing game will be answered by March 13th episode. So for all of our theories of who other than kate, jack, hurley, sayid and possibly aaron are the oceanic 6......possibly ben is as well:eek2: .

I think this would be an interesting story. I'm hoping both Sun and Jin remain alive, but that they get to start being part of the action. If they are separated, this would add drama. If Jin was left on the island, he couldn't fall back on his Korean with Sun, so I think his already vastly improving English skills would improve even more.

I find it odd that of the Oceanic 6 we know of so far, they all seem to be the toughest, most threatening, or the "special". We have all been wondering how the 6 come to be the chosen ones to leave the island. It doesn't make sense that the Losties would choose these people to leave them, or these people would choose to leave the others unprotected.

I think someone else has chosen the people they want off the island, because they are a threat of one kind or another. Locke or Ben would both be happy to have these people out of their way. I think one or both of them are responsible for choosing who leaves the island.

Jack - the only doctor (they trust). How could the Losties let him leave? How could the shephard leave part of his flock behind once they realize only 6 are leaving? He is needed on the island. But.... he put a gun to Locke's head and pulled the trigger. He's a loose cannon with a temper.

Kate - Knows they are aware she is a fugitive. Knows there will be no escaping facing her crimes. She is needed on the island to protect the others. But.... she is a con artist, plus she has more balls than any of the men. Definitely a threat.

Sayid - tough guy, neck breaker, warrior, general fix-it guy.... they need him for protection (and repairs!) But.... if he doesn't get his way, he could torture and beat a person to a pulp. He could be put to better use with his skills off-island.

Hurley - Lovable, sweet, fun guy. Everybody loves Hugo. But.... he is starting to show his "specialness". He saw Jacob and the cabin, and that is not acceptable.

Aaron - Tiny, pink and snuggly. He even sleeps well. But...... he's "special." In fact he may be the specialist of the special, since he was born on the island. He is bound to have a connection to the island that far outshines any other. He will have to go.

(Whether Aaron is officially one of the O6 or not, he is off the island.)

I have not read any spoilers regarding the remaining members of the Oceanic 6. But if my theory is correct, I suspect Jin would be the next biggest threat. Sawyer has killed a few men, but he is not a leader. He is lazy, and content to lay around and read books until he dies. He is not one to take action on his own, or stir up trouble. He has no connection to the island or degree of "special" that is evident so far.

So somehow, by force or gunpoint, I believe that the people that leave the island are forced off by Locke or Ben. Either one - they both want the same thing. They both want to see the island inhabited by weak, peaceful, mindless lemmings, who will follow them without question. They want the leader types, the strong and the special people gone, so they will have complete control of the rest. They want an island Utopia.

Well, it seems that the "list" mentioned in previous seasons, where people were "bad" or "good", depending on some criteria I still can't get my head around, could play a role in the choosing of the O6. The Others need these people for something. And I've always felt that the whole plane crash happened because these "special" people were supposed to be together.

Edit: Oops, it seems that Kate is not on their list because "she is flawed" and Sayid isn't because "he's weak", according to what Mikhail said in season 3.

That's my little theory out the window :)

Well, it seems that the "list" mentioned in previous seasons, where people were "bad" or "good", depending on some criteria I still can't get my head around, could play a role in the choosing of the O6. The Others need these people for something. And I've always felt that the whole plane crash happened because these "special" people were supposed to be together.

Edit: Oops, it seems that Kate is not on their list because "she is flawed" and Sayid isn't because "he's weak", according to what Mikhail said in season 3.

That's my little theory out the window :)
According to Picket's, Jack wasn't on the list either!!!!:biggrin:

BUT, It is my belief that Ben, since he is the only one who talk to Jacob for the Others, may have altered or faked the names on that list for selfish purposes.

So who the others think are or are not on the list is simply not accurate.


There is still hope that Jacob's list and the Oceanic 6 list is somehow connected...

According to Picket's, Jack wasn't on the list either!!!!:biggrin:

BUT, It is my belief that Ben, since he is the only one who talk to Jacob for the Others, may have altered or faked the names on that list for selfish purposes.

So who the others think are or are not on the list is simply not accurate.


There is still hope that Jacob's list and the Oceanic 6 list is somehow connected...
Wait.. Then maybe the ones not on the list are the ones who are rescued - the ones who are on the list, the ones who are needed, are the ones that couldn't be rescued?

Wait.. Then maybe the ones not on the list are the ones who are rescued - the ones who are on the list, the ones who are needed, are the ones that couldn't be rescued?

The lists get pretty confusing. Mikhail, while not directly mentioning a list, implied that Locke wasn't good enough to join them, right after he trashed Sayid and Kate when they were heading to the Barracks.

There does seem to be lists floating around everywhere, doesn't there?

I, too, am curious as to why there was a select '6' allowed off the island. (six isn't even one of the doomed numbers, after all) Why 6?

I believe that those who came to the island were 'supposed' to come (for whatever reason), and I don't know how many people were actually on Ben's list. It seems to me that that 'list' was brought up only to make certain Losties doubt themselves at a certain point. Remember how Ben told Locke that the reason he had fallen into Danielle's trap was because he was coming for him (Locke), because he was special, or a good guy, or whatever. There was the other list for those from the tail section, too. Then, the 'list' that Ben is giving Sayid at some point in the future - the 'hit' list. Maybe we need a thread on 'lists'....

My guess is that the '6' were actually 'supposed' to come to the island, but were forced to leave somehow (well, maybe not FORCED, my guess is that at least some of them (Jack) actually wanted to leave). But now, Jack is a wreck and he realizes that they need to go back to their fate. Kate, of course, now bonded with Aaron, does not want to leave her new life that she is accustomed to and possibly having to give Aaron up.

But what does it all mean?

But good job on the compilation thus far, MPmom! Definitely food for thought!

I think it would be a good story line if Sun had to leave the island to have her baby without complications, but for some reason Jin couldn't leave. They probably told her she would be able to come back, or just maybe knowing she would die forced her to leave Jin. Jin would probably want her to go anyway. He'd rather know she and the baby are alive than be with Sun for her last moments.

She probably wants to get back to the island as bad as Jack and Hurley do. Maybe even more.

So why do you believe that Jin won't make it off? Was there a clue?

One of my friends stated that the Oceanic 6 were chosen based on their seat numbers on the plane. Although, I have serious doubts about this theory, does anyone have the seat numbers of Jack, Kate, Sayid, and Hurley handy?

I think the only way Ben could have left the island is the submarine, thats right, and because they have no communications, they can't get back, so thats why everyone else is still stuck on the island. This is because the submarine never blew up. Thats right, remember Locke was wet when he came out? You never see the submarine after that, and he could have moved the submarine somewhere else for later use. Also, Damon and Carlton stated that we should be wondering why Locke was wet. Next, in the mobisode # 5, Jack said that Locke blew up that submarine, and Juliet said: did he? Why would they bring this up again? And lastly, in "The Beginning of the End" Sayid asked Locke why he blew up the submarine and conviniently they were interrupted by Jack's group.

I firmly believe that the submarine is still there and fully functioning. I believe this will also come into play when Ben leaves the island.

One of my friends stated that the Oceanic 6 were chosen based on their seat numbers on the plane. Although, I have serious doubts about this theory, does anyone have the seat numbers of Jack, Kate, Sayid, and Hurley handy?


I dont, but I'm pretty sure the only one with a significant seat number was Jack, at 23A or whatever...the rest dont line up with the O6. Ana-Lucia, for example was in the 42nd row.

I think the only way Ben could have left the island is the submarine, thats right, and because they have no communications, they can't get back, so thats why everyone else is still stuck on the island. This is because the submarine never blew up. Thats right, remember Locke was wet when he came out? You never see the submarine after that, and he could have moved the submarine somewhere else for later use. Also, Damon and Carlton stated that we should be wondering why Locke was wet. Next, in the mobisode # 5, Jack said that Locke blew up that submarine, and Juliet said: did he? Why would they bring this up again? And lastly, in "The Beginning of the End" Sayid asked Locke why he blew up the submarine and conviniently they were interrupted by Jack's group.

I firmly believe that the submarine is still there and fully functioning. I believe this will also come into play when Ben leaves the island.

Hmmm... I remember saying (out loud) 'why is Locke all wet?' when the explosion went off. But then I thought he must have swam under the sub to attach the C4 to the outside. Why, I don't know.... However, I guess if Darlton say to wonder, I am wondering.... :)

I think the only way Ben could have left the island is the submarine, thats right, and because they have no communications, they can't get back, so thats why everyone else is still stuck on the island. This is because the submarine never blew up. Thats right, remember Locke was wet when he came out? You never see the submarine after that, and he could have moved the submarine somewhere else for later use. Also, Damon and Carlton stated that we should be wondering why Locke was wet. Next, in the mobisode # 5, Jack said that Locke blew up that submarine, and Juliet said: did he? Why would they bring this up again? And lastly, in "The Beginning of the End" Sayid asked Locke why he blew up the submarine and conviniently they were interrupted by Jack's group.

I firmly believe that the submarine is still there and fully functioning. I believe this will also come into play when Ben leaves the island.

Juliet was saying "did he" because she was implying that Ben was behind it, or at least involved, not because the sub was still intact - if she knew it was intact, she would make Ben honor his promise to let her go - it does not make sense that she would suddenly agree to stay.

Ben could have done SOMETHING to stop Locke, but he did not want to stop him. He wanted Jack to stay on the island, but couldn't stop him from leaving because he promised to let him go; same goes for Juliet, who he promised to let go but didn't want to leave.

Ben obviously has left the island, but it must be a different way than the Oceanic 6 get off because he would want to avoid the scrutiny the O6 would receive; someone sent Naomi's team after him and he would want to sneak off to avoid another hit-squad; more on that in my other post here:

I do believe that Charles Widmore could be behind the faked crash:
1) He must have already known that Desmond was there through his connection to the Dharma Initiative
2) Once the plane ended up there too, he would want to fake a plane crash in another area rather than have the search-teams find Desmond with the rest of the 815ers
BUT:
3) Penny must have somehow learned that Desmond was on the island by stumbling onto some of her father's papers or one of his emails
4) Without that knowledge, she would not have known that she needed to put two guys with magnetic sensor equipment in the Arctic Circle to find him, and she would not have been sitting by the video-phone ready to send a message to the island as soon as the jamming equipment was disabled
BUT #2:
5) I am starting to think that Charles Widmore and other people behind the Dharma Initiative are the ones that sent Naomi's team - Naomi's team seems to have two targets, Desmond and Ben, both of whom need to be punished (one for messing with his daughter and one for ruining the Fountain Of Youth Island) - who else would put Desmond and Ben on the same person's list?
BUT #3:
6) Naomi's team must also have orders to kill everyone but Desmond and Ben, so that nobody can create problems with the cover-up later on, and if Ben somehow "rescues" the 815ers from that fate it would explain why Sayid agrees to work for him and why everyone follows Ben's lead in saying that only 8 survived the crash but 6 lived to be rescued.
7) Ben or Jacob must still want a colony of people to live on the island to try to conceive there, so not everyone would be allowed to leave even if they all wanted to.

SO, even though he's off the island Ben can't be one of the O6 even with a fake passport.

We know Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sayid.
It can't be Aaron, because he was not on the manifest.
It can't be Claire, because if she got off Kate would not have her baby.
It can't be Sawyer or Locke, or Rose & Bernard, because all of them have said that they don't want to leave.
It can't be Desmond, because he also wasn't on the manifest.
It can't be Michael & Walt, because I don't think they ever made it anywhere; if they did, they would collectively be referred to as "the Oceanic 2 who became 6 once 4 more turned up" or something. Walt has aged though, so they are not dead.
PS - did anyone else watch those Lost Missing Pieces? Was Walt killing birds while in captivity?

Jin & Sun, could be the final 2 of the O6, but it doesn't feel right for some reason. On the other hand, there aren't any more "core" cast members left, so I guess it has to be them even though I hope it's not (too much happiness if they both live and get off the island and have the baby of their dreams).

Since we know that Jack and Kate Hurley and Sayid make it off the island, I think its a good bet that Sun and Jin get off too My reasoning is that all of these people were away from Swan station when Desmond triggered the FailSafe. I also think that since Hurley was somewhere between where The Others captured Jack Kate and Sawyer could be why he can see Charlie. Hurley has a little bit of the side-effect. I think that Sawyer will probably decide to stay on the island because he isn't to anxious to be rescued.I also think that the side-effect is why everyone on the beach at the time of the fail safe activation has to stay on the island. If they leave the risk death. The only thing I haven't quite worked out is Aaron. Maybe he wasn't affected because he is just a baby. What do you all think?

Jack?

Was on the Pala Ferry pier when "the sky turned purple".

Kate?

Was with Jack.

Hurley?

Was with Kate and Jack.

Sayid?

Was on the Elizabeth (Desmond's boat).


Hell, BEN was with Jack, Kate, and Hurley too!

Now what are the odds that the remaining two members of the Oceanic Six will be either Jin (who was with Sayid), Sun (who was also with Sayid) or Sawyer (who was with Jack, Kate and Hurley)?

Of course, this doesn't quite explain Aaron...

Maybe newborn lives, with not much past experiences aren't bound by the same laws of time.

Jack?



Of course, this doesn't quite explain Aaron...


Aaron is explained by the fact that Charlie gave Claire and Aaron the 4815162342 imunization durring theseason 2 finale. Aaron was on the beach but he got the immunization, Desmond clearly quit taking it coz he told Claire it was useless.

Don't forget it could be Michael or Walt too.

melanielost, you got the infraction for NOT spoiler fonting the spoiler information properly. there is a difference between getting warned for "having info" and being warned for not following the rules properly.

do note that your post is deleted and that it is not nice to taunt people about information you may or may not have.

most of you seem to be ignoring that the fact that to be an oceanic 6 means you had to be on the plane. Thats why Ben and Aaron don't count and Desmond, Juliet, any of the others, or danielle wouldn't count toward the 6 but could get off the island.

Hurley, Sawyer, Kate, Jack, Sayid and Jin will be the ones....or replace Jin and Sawyer with Michael, Walt.....

I don't think Michael will admit to being Oceanic because he killed to people I think he and Walt will get back inconspicuously. I still don't think Sawyer will really want to leave because he may be facing a murder charge in Australia. So I stand by my previous post.

The preview made it sound like they were going to reveal the last member of the Six, but they only revealed four so far.

Is that simply the way they advertised it, or have they actually revealed five?

Ben or Aaron being number five?

The preview made it sound like they were going to reveal the last member of the Six, but they only revealed four so far.

Is that simply the way they advertised it, or have they actually revealed five?

Ben or Aaron being number five?

I was one of those who thought that to qualify as being one of the Oceanic 6 you would have to have been on the manifest, but if Aaron is #5, then that is obviously not the case.

If he was counted because he was Claire's baby, and she was pregnant when she boarded, I could agree that it makes sense to count him because he was a passenger OF a passenger.

He returns as Kate's baby, though, so they would have to be counting him as one of the 6 people who were rescued as a result of finding the people who were on the flight, because Kate was clearly not pregnant when she boarded.

If they are counting someone who was there when they rescued the people from the flight, regardless of whether the person was on the flight or not, then Ben must have left the island under different means or we would already know who all 6 are.

We suspected that there was more than one way of the island, but now we know for sure.

Kate might have claimed she had him on the island. I don't think they would have let her keep him if she said she was looking after him as she is a known fugitive.

Him not being in DCFS was weird as well even if they think it is her baby.

She was a fugitive, no one knows if she was or was not pregnant. She might not have been showing, they might be on the island another 3 months... who knows. She could have gotten pregnant and had a kid on the island even if they weren't gone for nine months.

Six months, with her getting on the plane at three months, and she might not be showing enough for people to notice.

Clearly all six are lying about who lived, why not about the baby?

Kate might have claimed she had him on the island. I don't think they would have let her keep him if she said she was looking after him as she is a known fugitive.

Him not being in DCFS was weird as well even if they think it is her baby.

She was a fugitive, no one knows if she was or was not pregnant. She might not have been showing, they might be on the island another 3 months... who knows. She could have gotten pregnant and had a kid on the island even if they weren't gone for nine months.

Six months, with her getting on the plane at three months, and she might not be showing enough for people to notice.

Clearly all six are lying about who lived, why not about the baby?

They are all obviously lying about it being Kate's offspring - that was not my point.

My point was that if they have revealed 5 of the Oceanic 6, which is what they implied, they are counting someone who was not on the passenger & crew list:

If it's Aaron, and they are saying it is Kate's biological child, they are counting someone not on the passenger & crew list.
If it's Aaron, and they are saying that Claire gave custody to Kate on the island, they are counting someone not on the passenger & crew list.
If it's Ben, who is pretending to be someone who was on the plane, they are counting someone who was not really on the passenger & crew list (even though they don't know it).What is upsetting is that most of the posted theories on this agreed that the O6 had to all be on the passenger & crew list.

They are all obviously lying about it being Kate's offspring - that was not my point.

My point was that if they have revealed 5 of the Oceanic 6, which is what they implied, they are counting someone who was not on the passenger & crew list:
If it's Aaron, and they are saying it is Kate's biological child, they are counting someone not on the passenger & crew list.
If it's Aaron, and they are saying that Claire gave custody to Kate on the island, they are counting someone not on the passenger & crew list.
If it's Ben, who is pretending to be someone who was on the plane, they are counting someone who was not really on the passenger & crew list (even though they don't know it).What is upsetting is that most of the posted theories on this agreed that the O6 had to all be on the passenger & crew list.

You can't "give custody" to someone verbally. You certainly can't do it on a deserted island and you can't give it to a fugitive.

I'm not disagreeing with you about them lying, I'm disagreeing with you deductive process vis a vis the chain of custody for the boy.

Two things:

- Previews are considered spoilers on this site. I don't mind, really, but others do.
- Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse have made it clear in previous podcasts that they don't really have control over the previews. They say past previews have promised "big reveals" on episodes where they (as the writers and producers) were going, "And what are those big reveals again? *confuzzled Darlton*

Oh, also something addressing the question:
- I agree with those who say Kate was on the run. For all they know, she could have been pregnant on the airplane. We also don't know when Kate is going to get off the island, or when she will be released into society. By then, it could be conceivable to the lie that she had a baby she was barely pregnant with on the plane, which would make it one of the Oceanic 6. Also, I think a baby of two passengers of Oceanic 6 might also be granted the media-like title of part of the "Oceanic 6." (On the other hand, I think Aaron is the only one not on the plane who would make sense in this context...anyone adult who was not on the plane still cannot be a member of "Oceanic 6").

Oceanic Six:

Kate
Jack
Hurley
Sayid
Jin
Sun

We finally know.

BTW, I don't think Aaron would be considered one of the "six" because he hadn't yet been born when 815 crashed.

Two things:

- Previews are considered spoilers on this site. I don't mind, really, but others do.
- Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse have made it clear in previous podcasts that they don't really have control over the previews. They say past previews have promised "big reveals" on episodes where they (as the writers and producers) were going, "And what are those big reveals again? *confuzzled Darlton*


Sprry, I assumed previews were not spoilers. They also said the same thing in EW though, that we'd know all six by episode seven. Maybe that's a spoiler too.

Anyway, apologies.

Oceanic Six:

Kate
Jack
Hurley
Sayid
Jin
Sun

We finally know.

BTW, I don't think Aaron would be considered one of the "six" because he hadn't yet been born when 815 crashed.

Jin can't be one of the O6 - he died before they were rescued, and the death-date on his tombstone (according to others who tivo'd it) makes him one of the 2 who survived the crash but died before they were rescued (Jack described the scenario, without naming names, in his testimony at Kate's trial).

They must be counting Aaron, so the O6 must mean "the 6 who were brought back when we found the survivors."

I'm confused still to who is the 6th - can it be/is it Aaron?? He wasn't on the plane - But I am guessing that it cannot be Jin since he died in the crash supposedly.

We really need to see the Oceanic 6 on Maury or the Today Show or something when they get back so we can know who it is exactly!

lets also not forget that micheal was on the plane, so therefore it could also be him.

From the episode, what i think makes sense is that the baby girl is oceanic six. the producers said that all will be confirmed, why are we so convinced it meant people who were on the plane themselves? perhaps it meant any survivors, including children born.

jin was shown just being married for 2 months, which means its a flash back, taking place before the island. i think this confirms hes not one of the oceanic six,since we see his grave.

i think the helicopter is coming back one more time before something happens, perhaps with desmond and sayyids interference on the ship. i think that hurley will get disillusioned with locke and return to jack. perhaps learning of miles predicament.

so the oceaninc six i think will be jack, kate, hurley, sayeed,sun, and either one of the children, i think more likely aron.

I do not think it is either one

Yeah, i don't think either kid is included in the 6. Just a hunch though.

I don't think that Sun's baby can be one of the oceanic 6, given that the Oceanic 6 story was already out when she was going to give birth. So unless they were counting her unborn baby as a 6th person when she got rescued (even though she wasn't even pregnant on the plane to start with), I think it's safe to say that Jin Kazama or whatever the kid's name is will not be number 6. It is possible that it is Aaron given that he presumably came back with Kate - but who knows how that worked, given that he wasn't on the manifest since he wasn't born either... But either way, he'd be seen as a living survivor of the situation at least, even if none of the cast can say "Aaron" successfully

I'm going to stick to my theory that the O6 are:

Kate
Jack
Hurley
Sayid
Sun
Ben

Yes I said it BEN! I think Aaron will be kept secret and smuggled back. Michael will also return home but under the name Kevin Johnson a crewmember of the freighter. The only other person left that we know that got off the island is Ben. And he has the resources to take the identity of one of the deceased Oceanic passangers. We know that Sayid is working for Ben now so he seems to have some sort of power over the O6 perhaps preventing them from letting anyone know who he really is. Maybe he will become Steve/Scott :shocking:

if we believe that the producers saying that the last would be revealed, the micheal has to be oceanic 6, why didnt anyone think of him.

what makes it more interesting is the fact that jack said in an earlier episode there were 8 survivors of the crash. perhaps 2 died before getting off the island, according to his possible story maybe from extensive injuries. that would be the oceanic 6.

or the 8 could be the oceanic six, and the two children, who both " werent" on the plane, ie they didnt really born or conceived yet. jack perhaps included them in the count.

the only curveball is if the oceanic 6, still being revealed as according the producers includes one of the children.

that would then mean that one of the children is the 7th survivors, but obviously micheal is not know about otherwise he would be part of oceanic group. it would be oceanic 7 then.

so the question then is, who is the eighth survivor

Ben and Desmond were not on Oceanic flight 815...They are not part of the Oceanic 6...

Keep in mind THE WHOLE OCEANIC 6 THING IS B*LLSHIT!!

It doesn't matter who was actually on the plane. If Desmond, Ben, Juliet, Alex or Rouseau wind up being number 6, the world will believe it.

ok so they say they revealed the six right? well in the promo at least...but here's where i throw in the curveball. wasn't aaron a secret? when kate went to trial didn't she say something like i'm going to tell the court that i'm a mother. so if the media included aaron as one of the 6 i'm sure the kid woulda been all over the tv and papers. therefore i think the 6th is walt. since mike is back by the island he will probably die there, but remember walt is still in ny...in hiding. i think they will eventually figure out that he's at his moms house (why wouldn't they figure this out already?...first place i would stakeout would be the person's family members.) now when i stated "they" keep in mind i have no idea who they are could be the others, could be whitmore..who knows?

I think the oceanic six include Sayid, Hugo, Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Claire
I also think that Sawyer ends up being with Kate... referring to the "HE" that she mentions when she meets Jack right outside the airport.

I think the oceanic six include Sayid, Hugo, Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Claire
I also think that Sawyer ends up being with Kate... referring to the "HE" that she mentions when she meets Jack right outside the airport.

I can't understand why this is still being debated - the six are:
Kate
Jack
Hurley
Sayid
Sun
Aaron

The HE is the baby, Aaron. If Sawyer & Kate were together, she wouldn't have flirted with Jack so much when she invited him back to the house after the trial scene.

....jack said in an earlier episode there were 8 survivors of the crash. perhaps 2 died before getting off the island, according to his possible story maybe from extensive injuries. that would be the oceanic 6....

We know that more than 8 people survived, so the real question is why the O6 are covering that up:

Are some still alive & choosing to stay on the island? Rose, Sawyer & Locke have all said they would not go back.
Is Ben keeping some hostage, not letting them leave, so he can keep trying his pregnancy experiments? He would never give up his dream of a sustainable community on the island.
Did they leave behind a pile of dead bodies after fighting the freighter folk that they don't want anyone else to know about? What happens on the island stays on the island.
All of the above?We know Jin is one of the 8, because his dead body was brought back and buried in Korea, but I can't remember seeing any real clues about who the other one might be.

I am confused, so does anyone really know which 6 people get off the island? I can only come up with five: Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, and Sun. Is Aaron considered the 6th one??

Yes, Aaron is #6.

In the previews for Sun and Jin's episode, didn't it say that the final 2 of the O6 would be revealed?