Besides the fact the 32 is one of our numbers...it seems like that was a code for something else...A reason for Ben to know something...

since when is 32 one of the numbers?

4 8 15 16 23 42 ?

Well, it's 23 backwards.... (just saying)

true.... =)

oops....i knew it was in there somewhere.....23 32....that was so 2 seasons ago...lol

reguardless...i still c it being a code..the way miles just looked at him as if to say you dont know man?

If Miles was the spy, (which I thought he would turn out to be until he met Ben) he wouldn't have said "Don't treat me like one of them, I know who you are. I know what you can do." (Paraphrasing here) There is a significance to the number though... It was just too damn specific!

and his lack of an answer to Ben made me more suspicious...

No, I don't think it was a code becasue Ben reacted approprately by questiong why it was such a random number -- Why NOT 3.3. 3.4 3.5???

Course with this show who knows!!!

With Kate there it could have been a code like "sister." But I doubt that Miles is Ben's man on the boat becasue I think I know who his spy is.

I think Miles knows everything about Ben, including how much money he has and thus how much money he can probably get from him (The EXACT amount)

No, I don't think it was a code becasue Ben reacted approprately by questiong why it was such a random number -- Why NOT 3.3. 3.4 3.5???

Course with this show who knows!!!

With Kate there it could have been a code like "sister." But I doubt that Miles is Ben's man on the boat becasue I think I know who his spy is.


I think Ben's questioning means precisely it was code - Miles asks for 3.2. Ben asks "not 3.3 or 3.4?". No. 3.2. Ben was confirming with Miles that it was indeed 3.2.

Code was used because Miles could not speak with Ben alone - Kate insisted on staying.

There is no question it was code.

I think Ben's questioning means precisely it was code - Miles asks for 3.2. Ben asks "not 3.3 or 3.4?". No. 3.2. Ben was confirming with Miles that it was indeed 3.2.

Code was used because Miles could not speak with Ben alone - Kate insisted on staying.

There is no question it was code.

It seems plausible but I still have my doubts because of who I suspect Ben's man is.

However, when that scene ocurred I remember thinking it seemed like Ben was giving Miles a choice kind of like when Locke beat the Flame computer -- press 32 for this, press 77 for that. Perhaps 3.2 was the protocol over 3.3 or 3.4 . . . .

Surely was a code. Maybe its a bearing 320

Why is 3.2 the magic number?!
I'm with Ben on this, "Why not 3.3 or 3.4"?!
That was the funniest Ben moment.

I think maybe Miles needs $3.2 million dollars for something specific -- because, even before Ben asked about it, I said to the person I was watching with, "Why did he specify that amount?"

It sorta did seem like a code, since Kate was listening. But I'm not sure what to think. The scene seemed pretty genuine to me at the same time. Tough to say.

He asked for 3.2 because he knows Ben has 3.2, and exactly 3.2

It seems plausible but I still have my doubts because of who I suspect Ben's man is.. . . .

I'll bite. Who do you think it is?

I think maybe Miles needs $3.2 million dollars for something specific -- because, even before Ben asked about it, I said to the person I was watching with, "Why did he specify that amount?"

I totally agree that it's for a purpose.

In Miles's FB we see him telling that old woman that he has changed his mind and he is now charging her 200 instead of 100. I thought this was somehow important. Obviously he isn't a "con" since he actually did and can talk to the dead, but I did think it was weird that he changed his price. He obviously needed the extra money. I only ramble about that because I think he needs the 3.2 for something specific, like debts of some sort? Gambling? Who knows. I don't know how that would fit into the show, but it would sort of make sense. He is so desperate for this money he's willing to "take care" of his team mate.

I'll bite. Who do you think it is?


I don't read spoiler material so this is just a guess:

Michael. I think he was "rescued" by the freighter and has made contact with Ben somehow and warned him of the coming freighter.

Too bad Hurley wasn't there, he would have said, "Dude.... I'll give you like, $150 million!!!!"

Too bad Hurley wasn't there, he would have said, "Dude.... I'll give you like, $150 million!!!!"

:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: Too funny!

I totally agree that it's for a purpose.

In Miles's FB we see him telling that old woman that he has changed his mind and he is now charging her 200 instead of 100. I thought this was somehow important. Obviously he isn't a "con" since he actually did and can talk to the dead, but I did think it was weird that he changed his price. He obviously needed the extra money. I only ramble about that because I think he needs the 3.2 for something specific, like debts of some sort? Gambling? Who knows. I don't know how that would fit into the show, but it would sort of make sense. He is so desperate for this money he's willing to "take care" of his team mate.

This is exactly what went through my mind as I watched it. I was thinking that he owes a whole lot of cash to someone! I suppose it could be code, but it just seemed like a legitimate conversation to me. Or, maybe he was being paid 3.1 million by his boss to find Ben, so he just needed Ben to go .1 better lol

I don't read spoiler material so this is just a guess:

Michael. I think he was "rescued" by the freighter and has made contact with Ben somehow and warned him of the coming freighter.

Didn't even occur to me that it was code, but now I'm practically convinced. lol.

But Eight, I love your idea. I haven't read that anywhere else, although I bet it's been speculated on the spoiler board (I don't read spoilers either anymore), and I think it is fantastic. Makes so much sense.

If he owed money, why ask for th exact amount he owes and not more? We saw in his FB that he's not above stealing.

It would make sense for him to ask for as much as he needed to pay his debt (or whatever he needs a specific amount for) and then ask for a million or two more, rounding it up to the nearest million. Say, 4 million dollars.

I think Miles discovered one of Ben's hidden accounts off the island and that account has exactly 3.2 million dollars in it. When Ben asks why not 3.3 he's actually confirming which account Miles found.

Maybe the 3.2 mil was the largest amount of money he was going to be able to hide from his employer. If a large amount of money was deposited in his bank accounts his employer would probably know about it. Maybe even be watching for it in case Miles did just what he did.

Miles must be going to put the money into something that has an upper limit. If he even survives until next week!

Too bad Hurley wasn't there, he would have said, "Dude.... I'll give you like, $150 million!!!!"

:rotflmao2: and it would have been one more DPE, LOL

I know this is stretching it, but I'll say what went through my mind when I watched it.

32 divided by 2 is 16.

16 is one of our numbers.

Just a thought...

In Miles's FB we see him telling that old woman that he has changed his mind and he is now charging her 200 instead of 100. I thought this was somehow important. Obviously he isn't a "con" since he actually did and can talk to the dead, but I did think it was weird that he changed his price. He obviously needed the extra money. I only ramble about that because I think he needs the 3.2 for something specific, like debts of some sort? Gambling? Who knows. I don't know how that would fit into the show, but it would sort of make sense. He is so desperate for this money he's willing to "take care" of his team mate.

About giving the $100 back, I thought he was just setting himself to look generous by changing his mind on the double price, when in fact he just ripped off a whole lot more than that from the son's room.

As for the $3.2 million, could it also be a revenge thing? Like, "you stole my family fortune, which was exactly $3.2 million! So I want you to give me $3.2 million!"

I got the feeling he thought he was owed that much money for something that happened in the past. Maybe it was his way of getting what he felt he was owed.

I think it was a code for sure! Now this could be stretching it a bit but is it possible Miles was trying to tell Ben something else and it had nothing to do with money at all. Perhaps Miles and Ben are not the enimies they appear to be. ?

3.2 is a code in the bible for what else "TIME" 3.3 is Book of Revalations 3.4 is Social Parallel 3.5 is Nostradamus and so on. See here
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:iv4QBzzqRF8J:members.optusnet.com.a u/~csbcsb/tensoc/3_2_-_bible_code_-_timing.htm+3.2+book+of+bible&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

I think the whole conversation was a code. They were codely talking about when there gonna do something or when something is going to happen.

Coke

If it is a code for something then my guess is that maybe Miles is telling Ben that there are 32 poeple on the freighter?????

$3.2 million sounds like a settlement figure to me. Possibly the amount Oceanic paid the survivors, or to the family of those that died? Who knows.

I'm with everyone that the 3.2 million dollar statement really jumps out at you. And that I believe is the beginning statement of the the coded conversation. But no one is focusing on other important parts of their conversation.
For instance, they immediately negotiate a timetable for "payment". IF Miles really knows who and what Ben is, then how can he possibly trust him to pay $3.20 much less 3.2 MILLION! And if Miles knows Ben is capable of paying him this sum, why is Miles leaving Ben as a prisoner to Locke's group. If Miles' mission is REALLY about getting to the island to extort 3.2 million from Ben, I don't see any possible way of extracting that money from Ben/The Island and returning to the real world. Of course this is LOST.
A much more reasonable explanation is the whole conversation is coded. My roommate was a Navy communication officer and is a LOST fan like me and while watching last night insisted on first viewing that Miles was talking in code with Ben. He reminded me that TPTB overemphasized Miles use of codes in Confirmed Dead with Naomi and again with Jack reminding Miles NOT TO USE CODES to talk on the satphone. So, I'm more interesting in the timetable Miles and Ben worked out than any sum of money.
I'm in agreement with some that a certain afro'd individual is on that freighter, and may or may not be Ben's spy, but my money's on Miles being the spy. And that as soon as Kate wouldn't leave them alone, Miles initiated a coded conversation. Remember, Miles is the ONLY freightie that has established he has extensive knowledge of the Oceanic survivors. Extensive knowledge that Ben also has. Frank has only memorized the flight manifest, hence his outing of Juliet's "Native" status.

That conversation is a code. Me and the roomy are sure of it. I'll make sure to force him to use his uncle sam trained ears to decode it, assuming he's smarter that carlton and damon! :)

I think it was code also.....but a code to let Ben know exactly who he was and why he was there. I think 3.2 million is what Ben cost someone with his island take-over.

$3.2 million sounds like a settlement figure to me. Possibly the amount Oceanic paid the survivors, or to the family of those that died? Who knows.

I like this angle. This dollar figure could be the amount of money that has already been paid by Oceanic to the each family of a deceased (or presumed deceased) passenger. Maybe Ben collected a settlement check. be it through deciet or maybe he actually had a family member on the plane. Of course that settlement check would have been mailed to one of Benry's off-island residences (the Island doesn't even have a zip code, let alone mail service, best to my knowledge).

I don't get why Miles is so eager to show-off this knowledge, but he does seem rather naive as far as the harm Ben could pose to him.

3.2 is a code in the bible for what else "TIME" 3.3 is Book of Revalations 3.4 is Social Parallel 3.5 is Nostradamus and so on. See here
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:iv4QBzzqRF8J:members.optusnet.com.a u/~csbcsb/tensoc/3_2_-_bible_code_-_timing.htm+3.2+book+of+bible&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us



That site is HYSTERICAL! How did you find it? Decoding the bible and prophesying the apocalypse, all under the glowing banner of "Free Tennis Lessons!"

And this... this is golden!

>>The behaviour within the Professional Tennis industry can be used as a barometer of the dishonesty in the Western Capitalist social system. The professional tennis industry is networked to societies big business, media, politicians and sporting public. I have seen how people in the social system that I live in have supported dishonest behaviour so that they could obtain my new ideas on tennis for personal gain. This widespread collective dishonest behaviour indicates the collapse of the western capitalist social system is not far away. Social collapse may then be followed by the social conflict that is mentioned in Nostradamus prophecies.<<

Wow. I have been directed to a lot of fascinating stuff courtesy of The Fuselage members, but this one really takes the cake.

This dollar figure could be the amount of money that has already been paid by Oceanic to the each family of a deceased (or presumed deceased) passenger. Maybe Ben collected a settlement check.

Possibly even Miles was close to someone on 815 and blames Ben for the crash.

So, the expecation is Ben will get out of his current predicament and be able to produce $3.2 million IN CASH within a week? That's going to require some fancy footwork on Ben's part.

I'm with everyone that the 3.2 million dollar statement really jumps out at you. And that I believe is the beginning statement of the the coded conversation. But no one is focusing on other important parts of their conversation.


I agree, the other parts of the conversation may be clues, as well. Miles says he wants the "money" in two days and Ben says he'll need more time, suggests a week (I think). Miles agrees. Perhaps Miles is trying to determine when Ben thinks he'll be ready to leave. Right now it looks like they are both prisoners but we all know Ben has more tricks up his sleeve. :rolleyes:

Surely was a code. Maybe its a bearing 320

I think he was saying: It has to be this precise bearing
"not 3.3 or 3.4"

So, the expecation is Ben will get out of his current predicament and be able to produce $3.2 million IN CASH within a week? That's going to require some fancy footwork on Ben's part.

It looks like it is time for Ben to take a little trip off the Island to get the 3.2 million dollars he has stashed away somewhere in this world. Maybe Miles' end-game is to force Ben to go off the Island to take one of these little quick trips.

the real question is why would Miles want it in CASH...how would he get $3.2 in cash off the island without someone wondering why he is carrying a very large duffle bag???

It has to be some kind of code, if it were really extortion, then Miles would have asked for a wire transfer...

He reminded me that TPTB overemphasized Miles use of codes in Confirmed Dead with Naomi and again with Jack reminding Miles NOT TO USE CODES to talk on the satphone. So, I'm more interesting in the timetable Miles and Ben worked out than any sum of money.
I'm in agreement with some that a certain afro'd individual is on that freighter, and may or may not be Ben's spy, but my money's on Miles being the spy. And that as soon as Kate wouldn't leave them alone, Miles initiated a coded conversation. Remember, Miles is the ONLY freightie that has established he has extensive knowledge of the Oceanic survivors. Extensive knowledge that Ben also has. Frank has only memorized the flight manifest, hence his outing of Juliet's "Native" status.

This is golden! I was skeptical at first of the whole 'code' theory, but now I'm a believer.
And I love the idea that Miles is Ben's spy.
Miles scooby-dooed Kate..

If Miles' interest in getting to Ben was to blackmail him... What are the rest of the team's interests with Ben???

I mean what is the real reason they were sent there for? I doubt it is just to kill him, because Naoimi or Charlotte could have done that. So are they supposed to get info from him or to take him back to the world if he is found alive?

Now, the curious part is that the person who wants him (Abaddon?) wasn't sure that he was alive... Why? I think Ben used to work for Abaddon, but at some point he betrayed him and changed sides. So Abaddon and Ben stopped communicating with eachother.
So who is Ben working for NOW? Where is he getting all the money FROM?

If Jacob was Ben's 'boss' on the island, does it mean that Jacob and Abaddon are related? I mean did he 'trapped' Jacob when he changed sides?

I don't read spoiler material so this is just a guess:

Michael. I think he was "rescued" by the freighter and has made contact with Ben somehow and warned him of the coming freighter.


There is one significant problem with him being the inside man...
Michael left the island right as communications went down. How would he be able to contact the ship? No, I'm pretty sure the inside guy is going to be Michael's son, Walt, who doesn't need technological ways to communicate. Remember all the hints TPTB dropped about Walt possibly communicating via the computer from Season 2 with just his mind?

The reason for the conversation


code for the right path to leave the island (http://bp2.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/R75VMm3Eh-I/AAAAAAAAUGE/u2XxGU2hLbc/s1600/screen-capture-37.jpg)

I have to agree with others that have stated it was a code for a compass bearing.

About giving the $100 back, I thought he was just setting himself to look generous by changing his mind on the double price, when in fact he just ripped off a whole lot more than that from the son's room.

And he also left the drugs there to spoil whatever reputation the boy had with his Grandmother. If you are going to rip him off, at least cover for him at the same time.

i get the feeling that he is just
a repo man for people who can not get there money back through legal channels. He returns the exact amount to the original owner, minus a finders fee. He uses his powers to find the money. I guess that makes him "good" in his mind.
Thats my long shot guess.

I agree Miles looks like Ben's spy, where I have the problem is Ben would either:

1) Have to know how the Freighter team was selected and somehow get Miles selected.
2) Infiltrate the existing team and approach Miles with a bribe or be holding something over his head. If he did (2) then it is possible he has another spy within the organization who finger Miles for the island expedition?

Sorry, I know this is a side step.

I think this all boils down to be connected to Issac. Somehow he was one the island and like Jack wants to get back. Ben and Issac are related maybe from time they could have spent together on the island.

I think Ben's questioning means precisely it was code - Miles asks for 3.2. Ben asks "not 3.3 or 3.4?". No. 3.2. Ben was confirming with Miles that it was indeed 3.2.

Code was used because Miles could not speak with Ben alone - Kate insisted on staying.

There is no question it was code.

Even if it was a code, I'm not sure that that means that Miles is his man on the boat. I believe that it does have significance, not sure if it was a code, it could have some other significance which has yet to be revealed.

Maybe 3..2 means 32 survivors?
Ben says not 3.3 or 3.4 because he knows their should be 34 people?

In the preview for next week.


The indicator on an instrument panel in the helicopter is on the number 32.




I don't think so...

It's actually 31, look a little closer, you see 30 then 33, the two larger marks between them would be 31 then 32. It's obviously on 31.

Please stop dragging spoilers into this section - if you want to discuss nothing but spoilers, then you can do so in the appropriate sections!

I'm not so sure it is a code. I think it's just as straightforward as Miles needing exactly $3.2m for something of which we are bound to find out later on.

now i may be reading too much into this but i noticed it live the first time and after rewatching that scene several times, right after bens says "...blackmail me", and the camera goes back to miles his mouth is obviously moving but no words are coming out, like hes mouthing something to ben so kate cant hear. does anyone know how to read lips?

now i may be reading too much into this but i noticed it live the first time and after rewatching that scene several times, right after bens says "...blackmail me", and the camera goes back to miles his mouth is obviously moving but no words are coming out, like hes mouthing something to ben so kate cant hear. does anyone know how to read lips?

Hmmm, kinda seems like Miles does that anyway, like he's mouthing,"Whatchoo gonna say? You got something to say? Oh, okay I'll listen then..."

:biggrin:

Hello. This is a longshot, but I was thinking that the time difference with the payload was around 31+ mins and that rounded up would be about 32 mins? So maybe $3.2 million could be a code for correct time coordinates?

Although, Miles was not present during the payload rocket test... so mebbe that theory doesn't work?

Just a thought ;)

Actually, I think it is neXt to impossible that that was a code *of course, we can all be wrong, but we all know that already :biggrin:*...

Here's why...

Ben looked VERY serious during the conversation, but with Ben that doesn't mean nuthin'.
Still, if they wanted to discuss something in codes, even briefly, I think it would be impossible for them to do it that way...Their WHOLE conversation pretty much involved only the EXTORTION deal, and no outside information...When Ben started kidding with Miles, he did not even respond, so if it was a protocol or a code, Miles would've said yes or no...They didn't have to "prove themselves" to Kate, and I think that the whole concept of the conversation suggest it was spontaneous...

Finally, my best argument for what I just said is- Miles WOULDN'T say the 'I KNOW WHO YOU ARE AND WHAT YOU CAN DO" lines, if he was ANY sort of Ben's accomplice; he wouldn't just straight up give the Losties a reason to question him endlessly again and KILL him, he would want to protect him!

And I think that scene was in the episode so we could see that there IS a BIGGER picture with Ben, that he is not only the "main" person of the Island, but also a VERY influential, rich and WANTED person in the real world (passports, endless suits)...

Any thoughts???
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3.2 had to be a code for something. All numbers seem to mean something on this island!!!!

Ben's stare at Miles when he first entered the room told a lot (unless I'm reading way too much into it of course). Kate shot the lock off the door - so Ben had to wonder who was coming, and when he saw Miles, he leaned back, reassured?

He maintained eye contact, to control the conversation I think. When Miles asked 'you know who I am?', I wondered if Ben hadn't met his man on the boat before this. When Miles asked 'you know who I work for?', Ben nodded -- like, 'yeah you work for me'. When Miles said 'he put a lot of time and energy into finding you', Ben smirked. Ben had one up on Matthew Abaddon.

Miles is nodding throughout, the energy of making sure his message is received is palpable. The two men never blink. If only Kate would leave so they could really talk.

Miles hesitates after saying 3.2, so that the data is communicated. When Ben questions 3.2, Miles says nothing - just nods.

The "like I'm one of them" comment makes me wonder if Michael is on the freighter. He knows who Ben is and what Ben can do.

Then Ben brings up Charlotte, who can give him away, so Miles reassures him he'll take care of her.

Is Miles telling Ben to expect something (freighties attack?) in two days? When Ben asks for more time, Miles said okay, like he was taking direction from Ben.

I loved this scene, and I apologize for analyzing it to death.

I know this is stretching it, but I'll say what went through my mind when I watched it.

32 divided by 2 is 16.

16 is one of our numbers.

Just a thought...

<sarcasm>
And 32 times 2 is 64 which, divided by 4 (one of our numbers!!) is 16 (another one of our numbers!!!!)
</sarcasm>

I'm sorry, I just get really humored by all the stretching of the numbers these days.... ANY number can be connected to one of the magic six if you manipulate it the right way... :rolleyes:

There are convincing arguments for and against it being a code, but I have to lean towards it not being a code because of the line, "don't treat me like I'm one of them. I know who who you are . . . and what you can do."

I think this last part is the most intriguing. I posted earlier it seems like Miles was referring to some sort of ability that Ben has. If what Ben "can do" is not special, then it would have been implicit in the statement, "I know who you are". The fact that he followed that up by suggesting that Ben can do something unique was a part I found fascinating.
100%
Maybe they can both do the same thing and that's how Ben knows who he is?

Maybe his original contract is for 3 million..
Maybe he is just trying to get some more money.
Highest bidder kinda thing?!
Go for 3.2 million!!!!!

But Ben does have a point, "Why not 3.3 or 3.4"?!

Whoever sad that Miles is mouthing something to Ben is totally right! I just watched the episode in slo-mo, and that is clearly what's going on. There are also several periods of silence where we see Ben's face, and I think Miles is mouthing more things to him silently. Ben has a look like he is "reading" something. Kate is behind Miles and can't see what's going on.

Great catch! I'm impressed. Those two--Miles and Ben--are definitely in cahoots.

That site is HYSTERICAL! How did you find it? Decoding the bible and prophesying the apocalypse, all under the glowing banner of "Free Tennis Lessons!"

And this... this is golden!

>>The behaviour within the Professional Tennis industry can be used as a barometer of the dishonesty in the Western Capitalist social system. The professional tennis industry is networked to societies big business, media, politicians and sporting public. I have seen how people in the social system that I live in have supported dishonest behaviour so that they could obtain my new ideas on tennis for personal gain. This widespread collective dishonest behaviour indicates the collapse of the western capitalist social system is not far away. Social collapse may then be followed by the social conflict that is mentioned in Nostradamus prophecies.<<

Wow. I have been directed to a lot of fascinating stuff courtesy of The Fuselage members, but this one really takes the cake.

I was referring to the information just below The glowing banner of "free Tennis Lessons" Decoding the bible. If you read it its pretty interesting and also gives us a direct link to the 108 used so much in this show. (lol) actualy its a bit of a play some very useful information in regards to this show and all under "Tennis" you guys just got to know where to look!

Too bad Hurley wasn't there, he would have said, "Dude.... I'll give you like, $150 million!!!!"

A funny observation, and also a great point. The Freigher Folk have a file on everyone on the plane, surely they know Hurley's net worth, why not just extort the money from Hurley in "exchange" for getting him off the island. I'm sure he'd be an easier mark than Ben.....

I don't read spoiler material so this is just a guess:

Michael. I think he was "rescued" by the freighter and has made contact with Ben somehow and warned him of the coming freighter.

That's exactly what I think as well. The writers did mention that he's suppose to return this Season..
I also think he's the one in the casket.. so, than it makes you wonder how and why he had died? Was Walt taken away from him and he couldn't handle it? or he just couldn't handle taking orders from Ben and his team anymore and wanted to live a normal life, so he killed himself? or unless he was free from them, but he couldn't live a normal and happy life after being on the island.. and betraying his friends.. he had to live with that. He was probably taking anti-depressants and so forth.. but, it wasn't helping him. This is still up in the air.. but I really think it could be Michael..

Since many consider this an Easter "egg" episode

Maybe the signifigance of the 3.2 million was not dollars, but MILES.

As the Earth turns on its axis, it also revolves part of the way around the sun, travelling about 3.2 million km (not MILES but oh well) on its year-long journey around the sun every day.

837: In this year, it is calculated that Halley's Comet may have passed as close as 0.03 AU (3.2 million MILES) from Earth, by far its closest approach.

Discovery made the 13th night landing in the history of the shuttle program. The mileage for the eight-day trip was 3.2 million MILES.

I have no idea what this Maya Long Count is, just lots of numbers something about the sun, the earth & space & miles & forget it :eek2:
In one day of Earth's time (24 hours), the Sun would have travelled 11,520,000 miles. Immediately, one is struck by the fact that this figure represents a fractal of one of the maya long count numbers (1,152,000,000); in fact, it represents 1/100th of that particular maya long count number. By the 360c, the 1,152,000,000 number of days represents 3.2 million years (360c). One can only marvel at the fact that day-counts of the ancient reckoning system (360c) just happen to reflect the range of the rotation of the Sun's own day-count.

Getting spaced out with numbers. I'm just thinking it's not dollars but something else, like Miles? Time for bed.

A friend pointed out in her blog that the Miles name is... Miles.

... and that in 3x20, we see that Ben was born 32 Miles outside Portland.

Could be pure coincidence, but I like it!

it was definately a code. I think it stood for 3pm (the .2 indicating pm). And Ben and miles were negotiating the number of days until something happens at 3pm. Miles wanted it to happen it 2 days, Ben wanted longer (a week)

Obviously Miles can not cover up the fact that Ben is alive. There are already people on the heli returning to the freighter who know this. Plus all the other freighties on the island know this.

I am trying to be careful not to be a spoiler, in respect to the mod's comments.

I thought I already posted this but I can't find it so here goes.

(3-2)-5 zeros or (3-2)- 7 zeros the bearings of the Island.

$3.2 million sounds like a settlement figure to me. Possibly the amount Oceanic paid the survivors, or to the family of those that died? Who knows.

I agree. I think that Ben is probably one of the Oceanic 6 and that is the settlement they received. Because of Miles abilities he already knows what is going to happen or has happened (the "time", "time travel" thing again", and is letting Ben know that he knows this. Ben appeared very intrigued by Miles, almost taken aback.

I think 3.2 is the number of people from the boat in the island (3) and 2 of them being with Ben (including Miles now -- since he can read thoughts of ghosts, maybe he wants to be with Ben now ?)

just a thought...
Houman

All these numbers... and I hear words.

Not point two - point to.

and free not three :biggrin: but that's a push.

I'm blown away here by Mystery and Mr Morris' (love your name Desmond - very clever) posts, and Partyman... untill that I thought the gag was Miles was talking to ghosts in Turn of the Screw - I like your friend's find better.

Whoever sad that Miles is mouthing something to Ben is totally right! I just watched the episode in slo-mo, and that is clearly what's going on. There are also several periods of silence where we see Ben's face, and I think Miles is mouthing more things to him silently. Ben has a look like he is "reading" something. Kate is behind Miles and can't see what's going on.

Great catch! I'm impressed. Those two--Miles and Ben--are definitely in cahoots.

Sorry, but I don't see it. I have an HDTV and I don't see any secret mouthing going on. There was one point immediately after Ben asked Miles "You've arranged this meeting to BLACKMAIL me?" and Miles stutters, with his mouth moving 2 times before he answers that it's technically extortion. I don't think it's any type of secret communication, it's too short. Miles was probably just surprised with the way Ben reacted and stuttered because he wasn't expecting it. And I think they kept cutting to Ben's face so we can see Ben's reaction to the conversation, and see that he ends up controlling the discussion.

I do think it's possible that the 3.2 million could be a code,or it could be that Miles specifically knows Ben can access that amount of money easily. But I don't believe there was any secret "mouthing" going on though.

I think Ben's questioning means precisely it was code - Miles asks for 3.2. Ben asks "not 3.3 or 3.4?". No. 3.2. Ben was confirming with Miles that it was indeed 3.2.

Code was used because Miles could not speak with Ben alone - Kate insisted on staying.

There is no question it was code.

I think you nailed it..... :)

3.2 is 2.3 backwards. take out the . in 2.3 and wwhat do you get.

23!

I'd have to go back and re-watch the S2 finale but I really think Ben told Micheal to take a bearing of 325 and he would find rescue. So there is a difference in 3.2 and 3.3 it's halfway in between if it is a code for the bearing to leave the island. But again I'd have to go back and see the scene with Michael on the dock. The difference in 320 and 325 is a pretty good distance in a big ocean.

I didn't have time to read the entire thread so I hope Im not repeating someone else but...


My theory is 3.2 was code for 3 Losties going over on the helicopter with 2 from the ship - correct me if I'm wrong because I can't remember who went back with Sayid on the copter.

My theory is 3.2 was code for 3 Losties going over on the helicopter with 2 from the ship - correct me if I'm wrong because I can't remember who went back with Sayid on the copter.It was 2 & 2. But one of the freighties was dead (or so we think!).


I don't know, my first impression was the obvious, that it was just a way to show Miles knows as much about Ben as Ben did the Losties. He knew exactly how much cash Ben could scrounge up at short notice. If this is the case at least they spared us yet another scene where one character says "You don't know me!" and the other responds using their full name, address, birthdate, childhood pet, etc. :rolleyes:

My other impression was Miles is Ben's man on the boat. He was either upping his fee or scheduling a breakout...

I'd have to go back and re-watch the S2 finale but I really think Ben told Micheal to take a bearing of 325 and he would find rescue. So there is a difference in 3.2 and 3.3 it's halfway in between if it is a code for the bearing to leave the island. But again I'd have to go back and see the scene with Michael on the dock. The difference in 320 and 325 is a pretty good distance in a big ocean.

Well, technically, 3.2 million is 3,200,000, so that's a 3, a 2, and 5 0's, so it could still be worked out to 325. It's a stretch I know, but hey the possibility is still there. I don't believe this is what Miles was trying to convey to Ben, but it's a possibility, but yeah, a slim one.;)

or 3 + 2 = 5 ... 325! :shocking:

no seriously though, i really dont think this was what they were trying to convey, i think it was more of just a 'i know who you are and what you can do, so give me this amount of money because thats how much you have' statement.

I just wish Miles would have asked for the $3.2 million like he did the $50 million in Rush Hour (when he played the kidnapper)

Miles: I want $3.2 million. 2 million in fifty. 1 million in twenty. And $200, 000 in ten. (all while using his Korean voice!)

It would have made his character much more sinister. The good ol' Korean Kidnapper voice.

I watched the scene again, and it does look like there's some kind of meta-communication going on during this specific exchange. Especially with their eyes. Miles' first questions ("Do you know who I am?" "Do you know who I work for?") seem to set up the communcation, to assert that they're on the same page (or same side).

The most likely scenario, to me, seems to be that Miles is telling Ben specifically that two people were taken off the island (and Ben is asking, why not take three, or four of them, why just two? He doesn't know that the helicopter is low on fuel, or that they're taking Naomi's body as added weight, and it's too much for Miles to communicate).

I think the "two" is what he's communicating - two off the island. The 3 could be that there are 3 other freighties apart from him, but Ben probably already knew that there were four.
100%
I also wonder if the end of the conversation was a coded communication about getting Ben out of the present (prisoner) situation:

Ben: "My present situation is a little bit restricted. Can that be amended?"

("Can't you get me out of here?")

Miles: "Okay...one week. In cash."

("In one week this will all be over"? Or something)


And just to throw into the pot - when Ben asks about Charlotte, maybe he's asking if she's one of them (on Ben and Miles' side). And Miles is clearly shaking his head when he says, "I'll take care of Charlotte."

Also, the "Do not mistake me for one of them" gives it away.

I watched the scene again, and it does look like there's some kind of meta-communication going on during this specific exchange. Especially with their eyes. Miles' first questions ("Do you know who I am?" "Do you know who I work for?") seem to set up the communcation, to assert that they're on the same page (or same side).

The most likely scenario, to me, seems to be that Miles is telling Ben specifically that two people were taken off the island (and Ben is asking, why not take three, or four of them, why just two? He doesn't know that the helicopter is low on fuel, or that they're taking Naomi's body as added weight, and it's too much for Miles to communicate).

I think the "two" is what he's communicating - two off the island. The 3 could be that there are 3 other freighties apart from him, but Ben probably already knew that there were four.



Except that Miles doesn't really know this, does he? The decisions about who will go on the heli and who will stay behind happened after Miles was already taken captive in Otherville. No one in Otherville knows whether the heli actually left or who might have been on board.

In particular, Miles has never met Desmond, at least not that we've been made aware of. He can safely assume Frank and Sayid are on the heli but he can't know who was picked for the other two available seats.

Wow, if only the writer's strike could have been negotiated as swiftly and definitively.:biggrin:

Because it costs exactly 3.2 million dollars to buy a Mr. Cluck's fast food restaurant.

Miles wants to stop working as a bad guy and run his own restaurant serving good chicken.

My other impression was Miles is Ben's man on the boat. He was either upping his fee or scheduling a breakout...


I find this intriguing given Mile's ability to communicate with the dead. If true, then Ben and Miles could have communicated mentally accross any dimensional barrier or whatever is surrounding the island. We have already seen a case with Miles where he was hired by a person to do a job and then used it for his own self serving purposes. Was that foreshadowing for what was going to happen here?

ARGH- this is why Lost drives me nuts. You try to answer on question just to uncover 50 more.

Except that Miles doesn't really know this, does he? The decisions about who will go on the heli and who will stay behind happened after Miles was already taken captive in Otherville. No one in Otherville knows whether the heli actually left or who might have been on board.

In particular, Miles has never met Desmond, at least not that we've been made aware of. He can safely assume Frank and Sayid are on the heli but he can't know who was picked for the other two available seats.

You're right. But I still think it's the "2" that's communicating something. 3.2...
2 days to get it...

I really think that Miles is Bens guy on the boat. I thought it before they even meet and when they finially did meet it only strenghtend my belief. But who's to say that Miles doesn't turn up dead before anyone figures it out. Wouldn't that be interesting?

How exactly does Miles expect to get away with the 3.2 million? I think he had ulterior motives for making the deal beyond greed. But assuming he was genuine, how can he move the money. $3.2 million in U.S. currency, keeping it to $20, $50, and $100 denominations would weigh several pounds and how would he sneak it past the freighter crew.

I know this is just as nutty as trying to crack a "code"...

...but the first time I thought about that number, after the episode finished, I thought about "32" as 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 (sorry, don't know how to do exponential notation in a message board)... the "doubled" nature being somehow consistent with The Orchid's power.


Start with $100,000, double it once, $200,000. Double that, $400,000. If you keep doubling that $100,000 six times, you've got your $3.2 million.

I like the idea of 3.2 being code; I didn't think of that, but I did think of this: Maybe Miles knows about the coverup of the plane crash, knows it cost 3.2 million to pay for the coverup, and it's a hint to ben that he knows this, but is willing to keep quiet....hmmm....I know there are holes here; they match the ones in my head!

I like the idea of 3.2 being code; I didn't think of that, but I did think of this: Maybe Miles knows about the coverup of the plane crash, knows it cost 3.2 million to pay for the coverup, and it's a hint to ben that he knows this, but is willing to keep quiet....hmmm....I know there are holes here; they match the ones in my head!
I think it would cost more than $3.2 million to place plane wreckage and bodies at the bottom of the ocean, but $3.2 million does seem like a weird number to ask for, if Ben has access to $3.2 million why not ask for more.

I think it would cost more than $3.2 million to place plane wreckage and bodies at the bottom of the ocean, but $3.2 million does seem like a weird number to ask for, if Ben has access to $3.2 million why not ask for more.
Do you think that is not enough?;) Hey, perhaps he is being paid 1.6 million to get Ben. He suspects that Ben might know that, so he just doubled that figure. Like if you pay me double that, I'll say you were already dead! Sounds like a deal to me.

I don't think it is a code. Or if it is, it is not to leave the island. Daniel already knows how to leave. This indicates that these people have inside information already about the island's specialness. If, they were there on a mission to get to Ben, perhpas OFF the island, I am sure Abaddon, as the know-it-all he looks like, must have told them how to leave the island with his precious trophy.

Do you think that is not enough?;) Hey, perhaps he is being paid 1.6 million to get Ben. He suspects that Ben might know that, so he just doubled that figure. Like if you pay me double that, I'll say you were already dead! Sounds like a deal to me.

I don't think it is a code. Or if it is, it is not to leave the island. Daniel already knows how to leave. This indicates that these people have inside information already about the island's specialness. If, they were there on a mission to get to Ben, perhpas OFF the island, I am sure Abaddon, as the know-it-all he looks like, must have told them how to leave the island with his precious trophy.
it just seems like a very arbitrary number, I mean if Ben is as wealthy and powerful as Miles makes him sound why not got for the big $10 million. It could be Miles is just a small time hustler and that is the largest number he can think of, I'm not saying $3.2 million isn't a lot of money, you give me $3.2 million I'd be a very happy man, but it seems small in relation to what he could have asked for, that's what makes me think something is up with that.

i bet we are going to find out that miles needs the money for something very specific, gambling loses, drug money, or maybe something more nobel, mothers operation, ransom for a kidnapped family member, i dont know but ive rewatched it several times and the conversation seems pretty geniune to me.

I originally thought Miles was the spy, but then what use is he to Ben if he is on the island? Now he has nobody on the inside aboard the freighter, which would put him at a disadvantage. That doesnt sound like the Ben I've been watching...

I believe that we were shown the FB of all the four freightees as a way of setting up a personal connection that they have with the island. The pilot, Daniel crying upon seeing the wreckage, Naomi's not being surprised to find the polar bear with the Dharma collar AND Miles ghostbusting that particular house.

I believe the 3.2M dollars is an exact amount of money owed by Ben to Miles' "personal connection". I think the money found in Mrs. Gardner's grandson's room ties into this money as well. To take it one small step further, I think the drugs original came from Yemi's crashed plane.

If t was indeed a code, could Miles be his "man on the boat"?

Wow, I missed the "tell my sister" as a code the first time around but wouldn't it be a little ham-fisted to have Miles use another code again, especially after he explained it to Jack and Dan (and thus the audience) three times back in Conf'd Dead? Oh wait, everything else about this episode was ham-fisted so it could be so.

On the other hand, I, like Ben, was expecting Miles to have a much more ominous demand of him. Maybe to lay hands on him and read Jacob's spirit, or have Ben take him to Jacob or something - after all, the guy is supposedly a ghostbuster.

I liked Ben's "why not 3.3 or 3.4?" - it kind of reminded me of Adam Arkin in Oceans Twelve calculating, "Well, if Benedict will take repayment of the money we stole at prime plus one, which I doubt, that means each of us will owe about 17.6 million."

If t was indeed a code, could Miles be his "man on the boat"?
I think so....the "3.2 million" probably was some code comment to Ben about the situation on the boat. :)

Ben's curiousity and questioning "why not 3.3, 3.4" is the same as our questioning why THAT 3.2M amount. It's a way of showing that is a calculated number relating to something very specific.(see my post #100)

The four on-island freightees are pretty low level in the Naomi/Abaddon/List People heirarchy, new to the organization, inexperienced, and odd balls. I don't believe they know the half of what they are involved in and certainly would not be privvy to "codes" that would involve Ben.

Supposing these dollar amounts are codes....Quite a strange way to present them. Has anyone ever seen a film or show where "code talk" closely resembles a scenario like this?

Definitely a code IMO. I'm willing to bet that if Ben has access to $3.2m then he has access to millions more. If you are going to extort someone why not go for the moon.

Having Miles be his man on the boat also makes sense. So far, the only people we know about on the boat are Miles, Daniel, Frank and Charlotte. Naomi is now dead. And there are 2 more individuals on the boat that I don't recall their names (one guy and one girl). Of course there could be others.

That said, the pool of possible insiders is relatively low. We don't have any indication that Charlotte, Naomi, Frank or Daniel are the insider. That leaves pretty good odds of Miles being the guy.

How could you think to blackmail a man that is tied up and has the snot beat out of him?
What would you think you were going to get?

This might sound a bit stupid, but when I see the printed numbers: 3.2, 3.3 and 3.4
I can’t help but thinking of Lost episodes TGB, FI and EMFH, because that’s the way I usually identify them. I know Ben and Miles cannot be talking in terms of Lost episodes, but the writers might be giving us a clue (or an Easter “Egg”) indicating “Look for the clue (person, situation or whatever...) in TGB, nor in FI nor in EMFH”.

How exactly does Miles expect to get away with the 3.2 million? I think he had ulterior motives for making the deal beyond greed. But assuming he was genuine, how can he move the money. $3.2 million in U.S. currency, keeping it to $20, $50, and $100 denominations would weigh several pounds and how would he sneak it past the freighter crew.

Assuming it's all in $100 US bills, it would weigh about 70 lbs. Heavy, but not insurmountably so. Throw it in a good-sized wheeled luggage set and all's good. Heck, they could pack it in that metal trunk (the ones with gas and masks) and probably no one would know.

70 lbs just happens to be the baggage weight allowance for a trans-Atlantic American Airlines flight (Europe to US). Coincidence?

On another post, someone said they noticed that they saw the helo with Frank, Sayid and Des was heading 320 and not 325, link Ben told Michael to go when he left on the boat... I don't what this means but maybe something??

On the enhanced "Economist", subtitle was saying something about this heading being important....

Besides the fact the 32 is one of our numbers...it seems like that was a code for something else...A reason for Ben to know something...

I think Ben might have stolen 3.2 Million , and Miles know it. So when Miles mention 3.2 million, he let Ben know that he know he have the stolen money, and unless he give him what he want, he will let the guys Ben stole the money from know where he is.

On another post, someone said they noticed that they saw the helo with Frank, Sayid and Des was heading 320 and not 325, link Ben told Michael to go when he left on the boat... I don't what this means but maybe something??

On the enhanced "Economist", subtitle was saying something about this heading being important....


Hmm, what if each bearing is a specific point in time relative to the island?

eg, leave at 320 and you actually come out ahead of island time, leave at 325 and it is present, 330 and it is behind.

Assuming Miles is Ben's man, Ben asks why not 3.3 or 3.4 because he is trying to confirm the bearing / time reentry. This might also dovetail with the 2 days / week timing for payment of 3.2 million. They went out on 320, so they are going to arrive 1 week ahead. "We got 1 week until the copter returns."

Hmm, what if each bearing is a specific point in time relative to the island?

eg, leave at 320 and you actually come out ahead of island time, leave at 325 and it is present, 330 and it is behind.

Assuming Miles is Ben's man, Ben asks why not 3.3 or 3.4 because he is trying to confirm the bearing / time reentry. This might also dovetail with the 2 days / week timing for payment of 3.2 million. They went out on 320, so they are going to arrive 1 week ahead. "We got 1 week until the copter returns."

3.2 million is actually 32 and 5 zeros.

3.2 is what the writers strike was settled for.

(EDIT) SORRY 3.2 is what the writers strike cost the Industry!

No, I don't think it was a code becasue Ben reacted approprately by questiong why it was such a random number -- Why NOT 3.3. 3.4 3.5???

Course with this show who knows!!!

With Kate there it could have been a code like "sister." But I doubt that Miles is Ben's man on the boat becasue I think I know who his spy is.

but remember how good Ben can lie, keep a straight face and be so convincing! remember in season 2 "lockdown" remember how well he lied to Locke when he said "My name is Henry Gale and I crashed here on this island just like you did" He looked at Locke straight in the eye and said that. he said "why not 3.3 or 3,4 or 3.5" because he wanted to put Kate off of thinking that they might be in cahoots....

Hmmm, how much did Hurley win in the lottery? And is that perhaps how Ben has access to money that quickly?