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MinnieVanMommie
02-21-2008, 11:01 PM
Is it Claires Aaron or is that baby Sawyers?

There were moments where TPTB seemed like they forshadowed it being Claires...and also foreshadowed it being Sawyers.....

It depends on the time line....and where is Claire if it is her Aaron and where is Sawyer if it is his?

and not for nothing he is sooo cute!!!!! Hi Mommy!!!!

South Shore
02-21-2008, 11:02 PM
What happened to Claire?

Completely awesome reveal . . .

beema
02-21-2008, 11:02 PM
it's Claire's aaron!!

Kate731
02-21-2008, 11:03 PM
Wow, that is Claire's Aaron! Unbelievable.

But also brilliant, as he is now being "Raised by Another" and we will probably (eventually) find out what all that was about!

What happened to Claire, I wonder.

Lionhearted
02-21-2008, 11:04 PM
I'm thinking she died.

I had a feeling Kate had Aaron from the minute she mentioned having a baby.

LostLaura
02-21-2008, 11:04 PM
Completely shocking. When I saw blond, I said it had to be Sawyer's, but OMG Crazy Reveal!

And double crazy how Jack won't see the baby. What happened to Claire????

momster4
02-21-2008, 11:05 PM
OMG!!! She DID say Aaron, didn't she???

Not much surprised me about this epi except for THAT!!!

MinnieVanMommie
02-21-2008, 11:05 PM
we dont know for sure it is claires aaron....well not 100% yet....she could have had her baby off the island and wanted to name it aaron after claires son living on the island...

LostLaura
02-21-2008, 11:06 PM
Both are options. If the real Aaron died, that could be a new Aaron, courtesy of Sawyer. This one named after the original. But that is too macabre for this show. They won't kill a baby. They will kill Claire.
So it's Claire's.

BUT I am not sure that Claire is dead. I think Claire CAN'T leave the island for some reason, so she begs Kate to take Aaron off the island. Maybe?

Pinjo
02-21-2008, 11:06 PM
I think Claire's death in a red heering. She's on the island, going all Danielle crazy without her baby. If something sinister went down, Kate better be prepared when she gets back for some crazy baby mama action.

CrazyLatin007
02-21-2008, 11:08 PM
I think Claire's death in a red heering. She's on the island, going all Danielle crazy without her baby. If something sinister went down, Kate better be prepared when she gets back for some crazy baby mama action.

This is my favorite scenario. I do hope that is what happens

lostgurl
02-21-2008, 11:11 PM
So if they lied about there only being 8 survivors Kate must be pretending that Aaron is her real son? Or is it her real son? Why would Claire stay behind without Aaron?

jscimeca715
02-21-2008, 11:11 PM
i remember they mentioned in the podcast that we would get another one of the oceanic six tonight and i'm assuming this is claires aaron. I think claire dies in my honest opinion.

Trixired
02-21-2008, 11:14 PM
Completely shocking. When I saw blond, I said it had to be Sawyer's, but OMG Crazy Reveal!

And double crazy how Jack won't see the baby. What happened to Claire????

So since Jack doesn't want to see Aaron does that mean he knows it's his nephew and he doesn't want to be reminded that Claire, his half-sister that he was only starting to get to know, is now dead or at least still on he island?

duck4444
02-21-2008, 11:15 PM
i remember they mentioned in the podcast that we would get another one of the oceanic six tonight and i'm assuming this is claires aaron. I think claire dies in my honest opinion.

Aaron was always supposed to be raised by another.

abbybaby
02-21-2008, 11:16 PM
Didn't see that one coming! :eek2: ! That has to be Claire's Arron. I wonder if Jack Knows in the ff that Aaron is his Nephew??? Why doesn't he want to see him? I'm still in shock!

Eight
02-21-2008, 11:17 PM
I consider myself to be rather intelligent but when it comes to this show I always feel like an idiot! The whole time I'm thinking that she lied to Sawyer and that she really had a kid.

So then when she goes to see him I'm still thinking its Sawyers DESPITE the boy being rather old for the time frame. Still totally blown away that she has Aaron!!!

The freaky thing for me is -- WHY IS JACK SO UNWILLING TO GO VISIT KATE AND AARON? WHAT IS IT ABOUT AARON THAT WOULD PREVENT HIM FROM LOVING KATE?

Diesels Blitz
02-21-2008, 11:17 PM
I agree with Pinjo, that Claire's death is a red herring. I have a crazy idea that Kate is using Aaron to her advantage, and that's why she has a guilty look on her face at the end. Perhaps she claims Aaron as her own to get more sympathy from the jury and prosecutors?

rtteachr
02-21-2008, 11:17 PM
I had a feeling it was Aaron. I think Claire dies.I've read spoilers that something happens in tonight's episode that reveals the next death.

elfdream
02-21-2008, 11:19 PM
Jack doesn't want to see Aaron because he reminds him of something....terrible? Something that is his fault maybe?

MinnieVanMommie
02-21-2008, 11:20 PM
Both are options. If the real Aaron died, that could be a new Aaron, courtesy of Sawyer. This one named after the original. But that is too macabre for this show. They won't kill a baby. They will kill Claire.
So it's Claire's.

BUT I am not sure that Claire is dead. I think Claire CAN'T leave the island for some reason, so she begs Kate to take Aaron off the island. Maybe?


it could be that Claire is one of the presumed dead...(still alive on the island) or one of the 2 that died? and if kate "adopted" aaron..it is still her child

So since Jack doesn't want to see Aaron does that mean he knows it's his nephew and he doesn't want to be reminded that Claire, his half-sister that he was only starting to get to know, is now dead or at least still on he island?

that would be even more awesome and here would could discuss how he found out it he was claires half brother...

Kate731
02-21-2008, 11:20 PM
I'm guessing Jack doesn't want to see Aaron because he will eventually find out that Claire is his sister and it is too painful for him.

Maybe Claire either doesn't get off, or dies. (But if anyone knows please don't spoil us!)

South Shore
02-21-2008, 11:22 PM
Aaron was always supposed to be raised by another.

Yes. I agree with this - remember what the psychic said back in Sydney . . . all of a sudden he changed his mind and insisted that Claire fly on Oceanic in order to hand her baby over.

I believe 100% that it's Claire's Aaron. I am actually really leaning toward Claire not being dead though. Just one left behind on the island. We have the Oceanic 6, the 8 survivors, and the dozens who just languished or died on the island.

toddintexas
02-21-2008, 11:23 PM
Is it Claires Aaron or is that baby Sawyers?

There were moments where TPTB seemed like they forshadowed it being Claires...and also foreshadowed it being Sawyers.....

It depends on the time line....and where is Claire if it is her Aaron and where is Sawyer if it is his?

and not for nothing he is sooo cute!!!!! Hi Mommy!!!!

I agree, they had me bouncing back and forth of is it Kate's or is it Claire's? I think it's possibly Claire's and something happened to her. Desmond's vision had both Claire and Aaron getting on the chopper, so possibly Claire died after that. She could be one of the 2 out of the "original" 8 that didn't survive.

CrazyLatin007
02-21-2008, 11:24 PM
Jack doesn't want to see Aaron because he reminds him of something....terrible? Something that is his fault maybe?

Or at least it reminds him of something he thinks is his fault. He's always taking responsibility for everything.

I'm guessing Jack doesn't want to see Aaron because he will eventually find out that Claire is his sister and it is too painful for him.

Maybe Claire either doesn't get off, or dies. (But if anyone knows please don't spoil us!)

My guess is she stays on the island, but the O6 think she's dead. Until they somehow start finding out that the people left behind are not dead. This is when Jack starts trying to get back to the island and fix whatever he thinks he needs to fix.

Islander
02-21-2008, 11:25 PM
I agree that the baby is Claire's Aaron. I'm not sure how old he is or how much time has past but it seems that the age progression would be enough for Claire's Aaron and too much if Kate had a baby with Sawyer.

I would guess that Claire is still alive, as are most of the other survivors. That's one reason Jack wanted to go back. At least, I hope Claire is still alive!

rtteachr
02-21-2008, 11:26 PM
Jack doesn't want to see Aaron because he reminds him of something....terrible? Something that is his fault maybe?


Good call! I think you might be onto something.

LostPack
02-21-2008, 11:27 PM
So since Jack doesn't want to see Aaron does that mean he knows it's his nephew and he doesn't want to be reminded that Claire, his half-sister that he was only starting to get to know, is now dead or at least still on he island?
I had some thoughts: Jack didn't want to see the baby because
1. it's his baby (or Sawyers) :biggrin: whomever... but born to Kate.. and named after his nephew who he can't acknowledge because Aaron the 1st is on the island
2. It is Aaron the 1st born to Claire, but he can't acknowledge it because he can't admit that Claire survived since she's not one of the 8...

So if they lied about there only being 8 survivors Kate must be pretending that Aaron is her real son? Or is it her real son? Why would Claire stay behind without Aaron?

Exactly!

jennylee27
02-21-2008, 11:28 PM
It has to be Claire's - it just opens way more dramatic possibilities than if it is Kate's biological child.

If it is Claire's Aaron:
-We wonder where Claire is (please please please be alive)
-We wonder if Claire willingly gave Aaron to Kate
-We wonder if Jack knows Aaron is his nephew
-We wonder if Claire and Aaron will ever be reunited
-We wonder about the psychic's prophesy

If Kate just decided to name her kid after Aaron:
-We wonder where Sawyer is
-We wonder why Kate told Sawyer she couldn't get pregnant when she could

Plus, the forshadowing during the laundry scene was so intense. It's Aaron Littleton. Now, where's his real mommy? :(

toddintexas
02-21-2008, 11:30 PM
Jack doesn't want to see Aaron because he reminds him of something....terrible? Something that is his fault maybe?

Yes, this could possibly have been the beginning of his unravelling about wanting to go back to the island.

MinnieVanMommie
02-21-2008, 11:31 PM
Or at least it reminds him of something he thinks is his fault. He's always taking responsibility for everything.



My guess is she stays on the island, but the O6 think she's dead. Until they somehow start finding out that the people left behind are not dead. This is when Jack starts trying to get back to the island and fix whatever he thinks he needs to fix.

That is an excellent point...so based on our thread here...maybe claire is dead and it is jacks fault which is why he doesnt want to see the baby???? I think the 6 know she is dead if she was one of the original 8...before 2 died...

I agree that the baby is Claire's Aaron. I'm not sure how old he is or how much time has past but it seems that the age progression would be enough for Claire's Aaron and too much if Kate had a baby with Sawyer.

I would guess that Claire is still alive, as are most of the other survivors. That's one reason Jack wanted to go back. At least, I hope Claire is still alive!

he was about 2? we dont know how much time has passed though...how long would it take for her to be tried in court after coming off the island?

MPmom
02-21-2008, 11:33 PM
Here's another possibility:

Claire is still on the island, but Ben took Aaron on a magic closet ride to Kate.

Or

Has anyone considered the possibility that Claire and Aaron are both dead, and this is Jack's child? Do we have any sure time references yet?

Jedierica
02-21-2008, 11:33 PM
Is it Claires Aaron or is that baby Sawyers?

There were moments where TPTB seemed like they forshadowed it being Claires...and also foreshadowed it being Sawyers.....

It depends on the time line....and where is Claire if it is her Aaron and where is Sawyer if it is his?

and not for nothing he is sooo cute!!!!! Hi Mommy!!!!


I had posted back before that I thought she might be raising Claire's son
100%
Completely shocking. When I saw blond, I said it had to be Sawyer's, but OMG Crazy Reveal!

And double crazy how Jack won't see the baby. What happened to Claire????

At first I thought because he was jealous that it was Saywers kid but now I am thinking that it is because he is the Uncle of the baby if it is Claire's baby that Kate is looking after

nancy
02-21-2008, 11:37 PM
I don't think Claire is dead. I think from the way Jack has reacted to the baby and how messed up he is in later flashforwards, we are beginning to see why. Worse than Claire's being dead would be having left Claire there and taken her baby "to safety." And then telling that lie to the world that there were no other living survivors of the crash. There are obviously survivors left behind on the island, and those who got off and are going about life have basically, for whatever reason that we haven't seen yet, abandoned them. Jack is watching Kate raise Aaron knowing that they have betrayed their friends by leaving them there on the island.

BillToons
02-21-2008, 11:40 PM
I agree that is not Kate and Sawyer's baby. It seems really likely to be Claire's Aaron. What happened to Claire is anyone's guess. What worries me (and has all along) is that Claire and only Claire was to raise the child. The seer in Australia was very adamant about this notion. Something really spooky about the child and could be Jack's reluctance to visit the child. Then of course there's the fact that if it is Claire's Aaron then Jack is the uncle (being we know that he's Claire's brother). Maybe Jack (future Jack) knows that this baby is a turning point in humanity and thus his impetus to return to the island? It all started with Jack saving her on the beach (first) after the crash and the whole Jack's dad saga.

Shew too many thoughts in my head tonight.

loraho
02-21-2008, 11:49 PM
My first reaction was that it is Claire's Aaron, but Kate has somehow convinced everyone (including Jack) that the child is hers and Sawyer's. Thus Jack doesn't want to see Aaron because he reminds him of Kate and Sawyer sleeping together.

dstripling
02-21-2008, 11:49 PM
Jack doesn't want to see Aaron because he reminds him of something....terrible? Something that is his fault maybe?

I think Claire is going to die while trying to get off the island. Since Jack is the one pushing for everyone to leave, maybe he feels that it is his fault. I'm betting something happens on/to the helicopter that causes Claires death.

imaaronsmom
02-21-2008, 11:54 PM
I don't think Claire is dead. I think from the way Jack has reacted to the baby and how messed up he is in later flashforwards, we are beginning to see why. Worse than Claire's being dead would be having left Claire there and taken her baby "to safety." And then telling that lie to the world that there were no other living survivors of the crash. There are obviously survivors left behind on the island, and those who got off and are going about life have basically, for whatever reason that we haven't seen yet, abandoned them. Jack is watching Kate raise Aaron knowing that they have betrayed their friends by leaving them there on the island.

Abandoned them? I've gotten the impression that no one can get back to the island. It can't be found. Perhaps the original 6 that got off the island simply could not get back to rescue the others that wanted to get off the island. Perhaps this is the source of Jack's torture. He told Kate he uses his golden ticket every week hoping the plane will crash. Maybe the rest of the Losties that were left on the island were told that another ship/helicopter/whatever would come back for them, and now the island can't be found again.

I can definitely see Claire having Aaron get off the island with Kate. I figure it's her mother's instinct to make sure he gets off the island as soon as possible.

Since Claire wasn't in the original group that left, but Kate and Aaron were, now Kate is Aaron's mom. I'm guessing that's Claire's Aaron.

Selene1212
02-22-2008, 12:04 AM
I think Claire's death in a red heering. She's on the island, going all Danielle crazy without her baby. If something sinister went down, Kate better be prepared when she gets back for some crazy baby mama action.:shesaid:

I agree with Pinjo, that Claire's death is a red herring. I have a crazy idea that Kate is using Aaron to her advantage, and that's why she has a guilty look on her face at the end. Perhaps she claims Aaron as her own to get more sympathy from the jury and prosecutors?:nod:

I think if Kate stole Aaron and Jack knew about it and had to lie about it he'd have some issues with seeing him.

Bella
02-22-2008, 12:09 AM
Toward the end of the show, we were like, "I think she's raising Aaron!" There was so much foreshadowing throughout the ep, with so much focus on Kate and Aaron (ex. Kate being nervous to pick him up, her later worrying if she'd woken him, Sawyer commenting that it was lucky for her that Aaron slept through the night, etc.).

I'm happy there's not SKate baby, but sad that something obviously happened to Claire.

LooseEnds
02-22-2008, 12:12 AM
I find it hard to believe that if Kate gave birth to a baby that she'd name him Aaron.

Thinking about it from a mother's point of view, you wouldn't want to give a kid a name that may bring up unpleasant memories, and I can't imagine that Kate has fond memories of live on the island.

And thinking about it from a story-telling point of view, based on what D&C have recently said about the bracelets in "The Economist" episode, I doubt very much they would introduce a second child named Aaron to deliberately mislead the audience.

MinnieVanMommie
02-22-2008, 12:22 AM
Yes, however, there are many scenarios that could exsist where her naming her biological child Aaron would be a good thought for her...

CrazyLatin007
02-22-2008, 12:25 AM
My first reaction was that it is Claire's Aaron, but Kate has somehow convinced everyone (including Jack) that the child is hers and Sawyer's. Thus Jack doesn't want to see Aaron because he reminds him of Kate and Sawyer sleeping together.

Jack is many things, but he's not that shallow. If he were, he would never have risked his life to help Sawyer and Kate escape from the Hydra island, and he would never hve stuck up for Sawyer in TTLG, and he would never have asked Kate to go to Otherville with Sayid.

If anyone thinks Jack is this shallow, they haven't been watching the same Lost I have

I find it hard to believe that if Kate gave birth to a baby that she'd name him Aaron.

Thinking about it from a mother's point of view, you wouldn't want to give a kid a name that may bring up unpleasant memories, and I can't imagine that Kate has fond memories of live on the island.

And thinking about it from a story-telling point of view, based on what D&C have recently said about the bracelets in "The Economist" episode, I doubt very much they would introduce a second child named Aaron to deliberately mislead the audience.

ITA, LooseEnds!

lockesmithe
02-22-2008, 12:43 AM
I'm of the opinion that the writers were showing us that Kate is raising Claire's Aaron. Sometimes an Aaron is just an Aaron.

loraho
02-22-2008, 12:48 AM
he was about 2? we dont know how much time has passed though...how long would it take for her to be tried in court after coming off the island?

I think we can safely say that Aaron was 2 in the FF. The end credits say "Co-Starring William Blanchette as Two Year Old Boy".

drmark7
02-22-2008, 01:01 AM
Looking for a reason for Jack not wanting to see Aaron- if that was indeed the case... It seems extreme, but if Claire was Jacks fathers love child from an affair (is that correct? via. early Australia scenes?) Perhaps, Jack was in denial that Claire was his half sister and her son was his fathers grandchild. Seems extreme.. but I don't think anyone else posted this as a possibility. Just brainstorming...

DamonsEgo
02-22-2008, 06:51 AM
Maybe Aaron is Ben when he was little.

Awesoman
02-22-2008, 07:07 AM
Is it Claires Aaron or is that baby Sawyers?

There were moments where TPTB seemed like they forshadowed it being Claires...and also foreshadowed it being Sawyers.....



I'm going to assume this is Clare's kid.

rtteachr
02-22-2008, 07:08 AM
Kate has to convince everyone it is her baby, otherwise questions would occur about what happened to the mother and how was the baby born on the island to someone else if the Oceanic 6 were the only survivors.

She doesn't want her mother to see the baby because it does not resemble her at all and that could start questions also.

owl
02-22-2008, 07:24 AM
Kate has to convince everyone it is her baby, otherwise questions would occur about what happened to the mother and how was the baby born on the island to someone else if the Oceanic 6 were the only survivors.

She doesn't want her mother to see the baby because it does not resemble her at all and that could start questions also.

Remember - Jack said there were 8 survivors of the crash. He implied two died after the crash. It's left open; perhaps Claire survived but died giving birth? Of course we'd have to question why Kate, a fugitive in a federal case involving murder, would ever be given custody (and that gets done before her murder hearing?) and why Kate's mother has specific interest in her "grandson."

thehubb
02-22-2008, 07:42 AM
I skimmed thru some of the posts so I don't know if anyone else has said this so forgive me if it has. I think it could be Claire's Aaron. I think Claire and Aaron were on the helicopter like Desmond predicted but something tragic happened to Claire. Jack tried to save her but couldn't and because Jack always tries to save/help people but couldn't, he can't bring himself to see Aaron. Which could be a clue to his future downward spiral.

CrazyLatin007
02-22-2008, 07:47 AM
I skimmed thru some of the posts so I don't know if anyone else has said this so forgive me if it has. I think it could be Claire's Aaron. I think Claire and Aaron were on the helicopter like Desmond predicted but something tragic happened to Claire. Jack tried to save her but couldn't and because Jack always tries to save/help people but couldn't, he can't bring himself to see Aaron. Which could be a clue to his future downward spiral.

Welcome to the Fuse. The point you made was in fact made by several other people and many others did respond to it. If you want to know what all was said, keep reading the thread! ;)

Happy posting!

rtteachr
02-22-2008, 10:10 AM
I'm sorry, but the theory that Kate's Aaron is not Claire's is silly.

The entire episode was foreshadowing the end with kate spending so much time with Claire and Aaron. Claire dying or whatever would be a huge twist and having Aaron raised by Kate or "another" as the prohecy says cannot happen brings another twist into play.

Having Kate name her baby after Aaron doesn't work for me.

She doesn't want her mother to see the baby because there won't be any resemblance to her. He doesn't resemble her because the baby is Claire's.

That's my opinion. You can agree or disagree.

Chrysander
02-22-2008, 10:13 AM
Seems clear to me that it is Claire's Aaron, but we'll find out for sure later on. It doesn't really matter to me if other people think it's Kate's own kid who she chose to call Aaron, I don't think they're right, but they can think whatever they like!

ozge
02-22-2008, 10:20 AM
thats pretty obvious that its Claire's Aaron...

the dialoge between Claire and Kate was a great hint!
during the half of the episode we believed that kate has a son and its probably sawyer's! and when Kate called him "Aaron" we heard the creepy background music and we just realized that it wasnt Kate's real son but its Claire's Aaron!

lostlocke
02-22-2008, 10:21 AM
I never doubted that he is Clarie's Aaron. I don't understand why anyone would.

rtteachr
02-22-2008, 10:34 AM
I'm glad to see people agree. I keep reading posts about Aaron not being Claire's.

OhNoTheOthers
02-22-2008, 10:57 AM
I think the people that disagree are the Skaters who want that blond headed boy to be Sawyers, but it seems very clear that it is Claire's Aaron.

queenlorita
02-22-2008, 11:08 AM
ok, so i automatically thought wow! kate has clarie's arron. but.....think of this, if kate came off the island with a baby (arron) how did she explain whose child it was if there were only 8 people who survived the crash and 2 died. or.... did she come of pregnant and name the baby after claire's? if only 6 came off the island, where does arron fit in?

monkeypoo
02-22-2008, 01:55 PM
From reading other threads the general consensus is that Kate somehow becomes aarons adoptive mother on the island after Claire perhaps dies or befalls some sort of tragedy................Woudl anyone else be open to thinking that Claire perhaps gave the baby to Kate, maybe if the island was a dangerous place to be and that if Kate had a gauranteed ride home it would be safer for him?? Amd whilst for whatever reaosn they are keeping the other losties a secret Kate passes the baby off as her own, knowing that nobody will ever know as long as they island is never returned too??

Its obvious she wanted a baby badly and I can so see Kate doing something like this and justifying it by telling herself it us the right thing to so and that he is safe etc etc. That woudl explain why Jack is opposed to it, because if Kate became an adoptive parent, theres nothing wrong with that??

what do others think? x

snomad
02-22-2008, 02:51 PM
Everyone is assuming that Aaron is Claire's kid adopted/taken by Kate. What if Kate had her own baby and named him after Aaron as a tribute to Claire?

BuffyMars
02-22-2008, 03:08 PM
It's Claire's Aaron. I really don't think Kate would have named her own son Aaron.

havok579257
02-22-2008, 03:11 PM
They built up the kid the entire episode and made us believe it was Sawyer's kid. Then revealed its not. No way is it just a name and the kid is no one important. Everything on Lost happens for a reason and the kid being Aaron is because is Clarie's kid and not just a kid named Aaron. Talk about a screw finish if its revelaed if its not Aaron. If not what was the point of building towards it? What was the point of revelaing it at the end of the epsiode?

BillToons
02-22-2008, 04:45 PM
Looking for a reason for Jack not wanting to see Aaron- if that was indeed the case... It seems extreme, but if Claire was Jacks fathers love child from an affair (is that correct? via. early Australia scenes?) Perhaps, Jack was in denial that Claire was his half sister and her son was his fathers grandchild. Seems extreme.. but I don't think anyone else posted this as a possibility. Just brainstorming...

You're not alone. This actually occurred to me as well. It does seem kind of extreme but there is certainly the Christian Sheppard connection running through a lot of things in this show. It may not be the main reason Jack doesn't want to see the baby but I can see it having some influence.

SwedeG
02-22-2008, 05:02 PM
Of course we'd have to question why Kate, a fugitive in a federal case involving murder, would ever be given custody (and that gets done before her murder hearing?) and why Kate's mother has specific interest in her "grandson."

This was what I was yelling at my TV - "Aaron wasn't ON Oceanic 815 as far as anyone knew!" He was born on the island, why would Kate's mother be so hyped about seeing a baby that isn't Kate's? The foreshadowing all pointed at Kate raising Claire's Aaron, but this is one of those "I sure hope they explain this later" moments.

MinnieVanMommie
02-22-2008, 05:11 PM
ok even if aaron isnt kates biological child...he is still a grandchild...to kates mother....

adoptive parents consider their child theirs...as do adoptive grandparents.....

csaydlowski
02-22-2008, 05:12 PM
I didn't DVR it, so I can't look back, but I recall thinking, when they showed Kate's son, that he looked like he might have the features of a kid with Down's Syndrome.

So, if that's the case, he couldn't be the same Aaron. Does anyone have a good picture of the "son" from the episode?

momster4
02-22-2008, 05:16 PM
I didn't DVR it, so I can't look back, but I recall thinking, when they showed Kate's son, that he looked like he might have the features of a kid with Down's Syndrome.

So, if that's the case, he couldn't be the same Aaron. Does anyone have a good picture of the "son" from the episode?

Thank you! That's exactly what I was thinking when I saw it! Of course, I admit at that point I still thought that she had gotten preggers by Sawyer on the island, but my initial reaction was that he had Down's Syndrome. I think I actually covered my eyes and asked my hubby if he was horribly deformed. They didn't really give us enough 'eye time' with Aaron to tell....

amberslost
02-22-2008, 05:19 PM
That must be Claire's Aaron. After Kate spent the night with Sawyer, he tried to get it on the next day. He actually said, "We didn't do anything last night."

That was an awkward line for him. I feel sure it's the writer's way of making sure no one thought they did it again. Since she is not pregnant now, there was no other opportunity for her to get pregnant.

Mona Murray
02-22-2008, 06:44 PM
I think it has to be Claire's Aaron. Kate's mother said something about the doctors giving her six months to live for the last two years and she was half dead when Kate went to see her before the crash. As weird as time is on the island, it just doesn't seem like there is enough time for Kate to be pregnant and have a child as old as the one she went home to.

Fiver
02-22-2008, 07:10 PM
Why would it be a different Aaron than Claire's? It wouldn't be a twist to have Kate have a son that she decided to name after Claire's son...

:confused:

alamogordo
02-22-2008, 07:14 PM
From Kristin, the Lost columnist at E! Online, writing after Eggtown aired:

This twist reminds me of what I was told before Lost had even premiered in 2004: Emilie de Ravin's character's unborn child is connected to the history of the Island. Word is, that was the original pitch and storyboard for the full series that was presented by J.J. Abrams and his team back in the day, and it seems a fair bet that Aaron—the only child to be born on the Island—is still at the chewy-gooey epicenter of this ever more layered Lost mythology.

LostPack
02-22-2008, 07:26 PM
I didn't DVR it, so I can't look back, but I recall thinking, when they showed Kate's son, that he looked like he might have the features of a kid with Down's Syndrome. So, if that's the case, he couldn't be the same Aaron. Does anyone have a good
picture of the "son" from the episode?

I noticed that also! But I wasn't sure and I figured there'd be a huge discussion about it here.. but I saw nothing on it so figured I must just have been tired and saw that.. and hadn't re-watched it.
Lost-Media Image 882 (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1379-882.html) and several more in sequence... but then I got to Lost-Media image 889 (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1379-889.html) in the series and Aaron's face is uncannily like Claire -- as it could be Claire's baby face..

momster4
02-22-2008, 07:42 PM
I noticed that also! But I wasn't sure and I figured there'd be a huge discussion about it here.. but I saw nothing on it so figured I must just have been tired and saw that.. and hadn't re-watched it.
Lost-Media Image 882 (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1379-882.html) and several more in sequence... but then I got to Lost-Media image 889 (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1379-889.html) in the series and Aaron's face is uncannily like Claire -- as it could be Claire's baby face..

I think you might be onto something there - the kid does look an awful lot like Claire. Maybe to make sure we know that it IS her baby. How do you think they found a child that looked so much like her? Could they have CG'd her face onto him somehow? (admittedly, I know little to nothing about CG!)

LostPack
02-22-2008, 07:55 PM
I think you might be onto something there - the kid does look an awful lot like Claire. Maybe to make sure we know that it IS her baby. How do you think they found a child that looked so much like her? Could they have CG'd her face onto him somehow? (admittedly, I know little to nothing about CG!)
I really wonder about that too.. because it really stood out to me initially to take a second look at the baby's face since it resembled/seemed to have the physical traits associated with Down's Syndrome. Then as the baby's face was given more time it looked to me exactly what I would think Claire would look like as a baby. Uncanny likeness - and I wondered if they could do this with computer graphics, but it looks real and the baby is real.. so I don't know. Technically.. they can do virtually anything with CGI - but the face looked real enough.. so this is a good question..

I'm now leaning towards the baby being Claire's more than I was before

margie0123
02-22-2008, 08:03 PM
Maybe it takes another season before they make it off the island (thus Aaron being older). Possibly.......Claire gets pregnant on the island and like all others who got preggers on the island, dies along with the baby. Knowing that this will happen, she asks Kate to take care of Aaron?
You never know with this show...stranger things have happened.

No No Nanette
02-23-2008, 05:29 AM
Does the time differential between the island and the real world change the way you make look at the theory of Aaron being Kate and Sawyers biological son?

JoZay
02-23-2008, 07:11 AM
Does the time differential between the island and the real world change the way you make look at the theory of Aaron being Kate and Sawyers biological son?

I've always thought Kate lied to Sawyer when she told him she wasn't pregnant. She does lie quite well eh? Why doesn't Jack want to see the kid? Is it because he has always loved Kate & the fact she had a baby with Sawyer bugs him? I was never one to believe so fast that Kate's son belonged to Claire just because he's named Aaron or get behind Jack refusing to see Aaron because he's his nephew.

And I'm fully aware that my little beliefs can be thrown out the window because its all up to the writers anyway.

I also like to suppose that the writers might scour these threads for ideas because a lot of the theories & ideas written by the fans here are very very good ones. There could very well be more than one reason that this forum happens to be the "official site" of the creative team behind Lost. ;)

Saukkomies
02-23-2008, 09:40 AM
I think from my own perspective that it seems pretty clear that Aaron is Claire's Aaron. Kate didn't want to have sexual intercourse with Sawyer because: she's not pregnant, and knowing what she knows about the fate that is in store for women who get pregnant on the Island, she does NOT want to become pregnant. And yet - she DOES want to be a mommy.

This is why when they have the scene in the bedroom with Sawyer and Kate that it is so poignant and revealing. Kate tells Sawyer that she is not pregnant, and Sawyer then says something like "Thank God!" He goes on to say how relieved he is. But Kate's emotional reaction is very different and very complex. She, too, is intellectually glad she's not pregnant (who wants to die?), but she still wishes that she could be a mommy. And hearing Sawyer's take on it - which is "thank goodness I won't have to be responsible for a shortie" (or something to that effect), Kate is very upset about it, because she sees that Sawyer really does NOT want to be a daddy.

Kate knows that if she is to become a mother, she must do it then without Sawyer. This is my take on the whole thing. Of course, I could be wrong.. :rolleyes:

Pinjo
02-23-2008, 10:17 AM
It's Claire's Aaron. He has a platapus and and a Kookaburra in his room, two very Australian animals. They wouldn't have put easter eggs in there for no reason.

CrazyLatin007
02-23-2008, 07:21 PM
OMG! Would people please bother to read the thread before regurgitating the same opinions that have already been debated before?!

No No Nanette
02-23-2008, 07:37 PM
Maybe we're going about this the wrong way.

The Aaron in Kate's flashforward is clearly Claire's Aaron, but Kate could have still been lying to Sawyer about not being pregnant. This could go in a number of different directions, from Kate losing the child to the child itself being with Sawyer back on the island.

Just because Kate has Claire's Aaron years into the future does not mean that she wasn't pregnant or won't become pregnant at some point in the next few seasons. Kate could return to the island where Aaron would be reunited with Claire, and could be given some type of "happily ever after" ending with Sawyer where she eventually does become pregnant with her own child for real.

CrazyLatin007
02-23-2008, 09:22 PM
But this thread is about whose Aaron Kate is mothering, so, all of that should go into some other thread where the topic is speculation as to Kate and Sawyer's future

No No Nanette
02-23-2008, 09:32 PM
But this thread is about whose Aaron Kate is mothering, so, all of that should go into some other thread where the topic is speculation as to Kate and Sawyer's future

You're splitting hairs.

BillToons
02-23-2008, 10:03 PM
But this thread is about whose Aaron Kate is mothering, so, all of that should go into some other thread where the topic is speculation as to Kate and Sawyer's future

I believe the fact that Kate and Sawyer possibly having a child is precisely the reason a question could be made about it being Claire's Aaron.

Sorry just seems logical to me.:)

Sam G
02-23-2008, 10:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa7771V1RCU - Official Podcast

momster4
02-23-2008, 10:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa7771V1RCU - Official Podcast

THANK YOU for that! I had totally forgot to check that out this week.

It still gives me massive chill bumps to hear Kate say 'Hi....Aaron'!!! Eeeeek!

BillToons
02-23-2008, 10:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa7771V1RCU - Official Podcast

Thanks.

Well there we go... that's pretty conclusive. Discussion done. :biggrin:

CrazyLatin007
02-23-2008, 10:26 PM
Thank you Sam G!!!

Darlton have confirmed Kate is mothering Claire's Aaron.

No No Nanette
02-23-2008, 11:57 PM
Thank you Sam G!!!

Darlton have confirmed Kate is mothering Claire's Aaron.

Damon and Cuse were not in the podcast so I'm not sure where you heard that since it was never said.

AZJeepDude
02-24-2008, 12:49 AM
The simplest explanation (some seem to think the Aaron in Kate's flashforward is too old) is that Kate had a baby (maybe gave him up and later got him back) at some time prior to Flight 815. It would be a strange coincidence that his name was also Aaron, yet it would explain a lot of things about Kate's weirdness around babies and pregnancy.

CrazyLatin007
02-24-2008, 01:17 AM
Damon and Cuse were not in the podcast so I'm not sure where you heard that since it was never said.

Evangeline Lilly confirmed in that podcast that she has Claire's Aaron. So, to me, it's the same as if Darlton confirmed it.

You are free to continue to speculate that Kate was pregnant, when she said she wasn't, and you are free to continue to speculate that she and Sawyer will be reunited and be the parents of said baby some day, but not on this thread.

The question this thread asked was "Whose Aaron is it?" The podcast just confirmed it was Claire's Aaron, not Kate's own baby. That pretty much makes this discussion over.

Kot Matroskin
02-25-2008, 05:17 PM
I can't have been the only person to think of this, so why have we decided that it's impossible?

I just had this idea while re-watching "The Economist". During that episode, when Kate and Sawyer are talking after she is "captured", the way she reacts and talks made me think that she had "pregnancy issues"* that didn't have anything to do with the island/crash/Sawyer. What if it's just a coincidence that Claire named her baby "Aaron" - the same name as Kate's baby, which she had before taking off to Australia? Is it possible, timeline-wise?

Maybe Kate had the baby, but gave it up, or just left it behind just prior to the crash.

Thoughts? Tell me why I have it all wrong? :biggrin:


*I don't have it in front of me, or I would be more descriptive. Something in her reaction told me, "She's already had a child."

CrazyLatin007
02-25-2008, 07:54 PM
Welcome to the board, Kot.

If you wish to speculate on a possible Kate baby before she ended up taking care of Claire's Aaron (which is what Evangeline Lilly just confirmed on the podcast), you can open a new thread in the Kate Character Forum, in the Eggtown Forum, or in the General Forum.

I think there may already be threads discussing that scenario.

Happy posting!

momster4
02-25-2008, 08:07 PM
Okay, this is possible that CrazyLatin will not think this belongs on this thread, I do want to react to some of the earlier comments about Kate and her pregnancy issues.

When Sun was taking her pregnancy test, Kate was waiting with her and Sun asked her if she had ever taken one before. Kate answered 'yes'. Then we see Kate in a FB as 'Monica' who married a police officer. She is all domesticated and wants to stop running, although the Marshall calls her on the fact that she will not be able to stay still. Fast forward a while... we see Kate taking a pregnancy test and crying when it came out negative. Then she proceeds to drug her hubby and run out on him...

So, I would say that Kate definitely has some pregnancy issues.

And, for CrazyLatin's benefit :) I would like to state again that I truly believe this is Claire's Aaron. Not only did EL say it in the podcast (but wouldn't that be just like Darlton to throw us a wrench like that!), but that toddler looked WAAAAYYYYY too much like Claire! I think that in itself is an important clue. Whether they searched for a child that looked alarmingly like Clair or whether they CGd Emilie's face onto the baby, it's a lot of work to put into something to just have it be coincidence. But then, this IS LOST....

Sam G
02-25-2008, 08:12 PM
It has been speculated before that Kate may have already had a child. We had a long discussion on Juice - the theory.

CrazyLatin007
02-25-2008, 08:19 PM
It's not that I don't think it doesn't belong in this thread, it's that, as Sam G. pointed out it has already been discussed before and there are threads where you can continue to have that discussion.

Why keep bringing it on here where no one is talking about it and where the topic is different? If you really are interested in seeing what other people think of your theory, go to those threads and continue to have that conversation.

It is a rule on this board that threads have to remain on topic.

Awesoman
02-25-2008, 11:36 PM
we dont know for sure it is claires aaron....well not 100% yet....she could have had her baby off the island and wanted to name it aaron after claires son living on the island...


I tend to doubt that. This is Claire's Aaron. They're not going to go to all the trouble to make this kind of reveal only to say later that it is a different baby. That would be a poor plot point.