If Kate's baby is the same Aaron, then what happened to Claire? Still on the island? I wouldn't think so...I'd think she was dead because she wouldn't part ways with her baby like that. Thoughts?

Does something happen to Claire on the island? We know that Kate and Claire are at least good friends on the island . . . but would she give up her baby to her?

I'm really hoping she's not, but it's looking that way. Now that I think about it, that is probably why Jack can't stand to see Aaron...he may feel like he let him down. I wonder if he knows he's his uncle at that point.

OMG he's his uncle. I forgot! Yes, it must be for that reason. And really, how could he bare to date Kate, if she is raising Aaron as her son, but Jack is his uncle? And if Claire is dead..... omg. So effed up!
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That was sort of OT actually. I should add that I think Claire must be dead, because otherwise how could she part with Aaron???

BUT, I am leaving room in my mind for the possibility that Claire for some reason CAN'T leave the island and she begs Kate to take Aaron with her off the island. Maybe they strike a deal somehow.

That makes sense, erin! I wouldn't be surprised if there was another death. Especially Claire since Charlie is "gone" now...

Claire must be dead because that would explain why it's painful for Jack (who must know Claire is his sister by this point) to see Aaron.

I don't think Claire is dead. I think from the way Jack has reacted to the baby and how messed up he is in later flashforwards, we are beginning to see why. Worse than Claire's being dead would be having left Claire there and taken her baby "to safety." And then telling that lie to the world that there were no other living survivors of the crash. There are obviously survivors left behind on the island, and those who got off and are going about life have basically, for whatever reason that we haven't seen yet, abandoned them.

Its what Jack did? You don't go all crazy and start popping pills and flying to get back to the island unless you did something? Jack is responsible why else would he lie on the witness stand? Claire? If that is Arron, her son, in Kate's arms then Claire is history. Just IMHO.

I think Kate stole the baby.

I think Kate stole the baby.
It's possible. Or Jack did, either by himself or with Kate's help. Or... the freighties did? At the very least, I don't think Claire has to be dead OR willingly have had given Aaron up in order for Kate to be raising him. Aaron definitely could have been taken away from her.

It's possible. Or Jack did, either by himself or with Kate's help. Or... the freighties did? At the very least, I don't think Claire has to be dead OR willingly have had given Aaron up in order for Kate to be raising him. Aaron definitely could have been taken away from her.

Okay then, this begs the question, why would Jack and Kate steal Aaron from Claire?

I thought that whatever happens on the island to make the Oceanic 6 leave Claire couldn't so she gave Aaron to Kate because she thought he'd be safer in the world. That would be the ultimate act of love for mother to child, Claire couldn't raise Aaron but Kate could. Aaron being separated from Aaron would parallel with Rousseau and Alex and add to the overall sense of tragedy in the flashforwards. Claire is left behind on the island.

Well I wonder if Claire was alive. You know like the Bible story about Solomon? Split the child in two. That she gets told her child can have a beautiful life off island --- if she stays in his place. Otherwise "THEY" take Aaron and his life is forfeit.

Or maybe it's like a LOTTERY situation THEY tell the Losties that they will take 6 people off the island and they must pull the correct colored --- backgammon piece from the bag.
Black gets a seat on the freighter white you stay. It would fit in with certain themes and if Claire got one correct colored stone wouldn't she for the good of her child give him up to where he'd be safe? :confused:

Well I wonder if Claire was alive. You know like the Bible story about Solomon? Split the child in two. That she gets told her child can have a beautiful life off island --- if she stays in his place. Otherwise "THEY" take Aaron and his life is forfeit.

Or maybe it's like a LOTTERY situation THEY tell the Losties that they will take 6 people off the island and they must pull the correct colored --- backgammon piece from the bag.
Black gets a seat on the freighter white you stay. It would fit in with certain themes and if Claire got one correct colored stone wouldn't she for the good of her child give him up to where he'd be safe? :confused:

That doesn't make sense to me. It seems inhumane. They would count Claire and Aaron as one because (a) she's his mother, and (b) Aaron is too small to take up any significant room on the helicopter.

I wonder if Jack is having an issue with the baby because of what may have happened to Claire or because he knows that is his nephew (and obv. whatever happened to his sis)

People need to stop stealing little Turniphead!

Claire could be dead as the result of something Locke did. Now THAT would be a good drama....and a great tragedy. However, it doesnt jive with Desmond's vision. So whatever happened to Claire happened after she got onto the helicopter.

Okay then, this begs the question, why would Jack and Kate steal Aaron from Claire?
Dude, I have no idea. :cool: But I get the feeling that things are going to get desparate, and quickly. Things are going to spiral out of control, and people may have to make decisions in a split second.

That doesn't make sense to me. It seems inhumane. They would count Claire and Aaron as one because (a) she's his mother, and (b) Aaron is too small to take up any significant room on the helicopter.

Why would you think they have any humanity in them? You assume all people are good.
If you cover up 815 and say they are all dead when you know they might not be (and allow the pilot's dead body shown without media blockout on the bodies) how is that humane?

Left behind or dead!!!

Why would you think they have any humanity in them? You assume all people are good.
If you cover up 815 and say they are all dead when you know they might not be (and allow the pilot's dead body shown without media blockout on the bodies) how is that humane?

Our Losties have always been humane to Claire and Aaron. Both Locke's side and Jack's side. They wouldn't separate them against their will.

What if Aaron and Claire died (they were the other 2 in the 8 survivors) and Kate named her baby (with Sawyer) after Aaron?

What if Aaron and Claire died (they were the other 2 in the 8 survivors) and Kate named her baby (with Sawyer) after Aaron?

I'm dubious about whether this "Aaron" is Claire's Aaron, too. This is one theory I'm considering -- or they could simply be alive on the island still, along with Locke, etc.

It's possible. Or Jack did, either by himself or with Kate's help. Or... the freighties did? At the very least, I don't think Claire has to be dead OR willingly have had given Aaron up in order for Kate to be raising him. Aaron definitely could have been taken away from her.

No way would Kate kidnap Aaron or take him away from Claire against Claire's wishes -- unless Claire wasn't mentally stable enough to keep Aaron safe any longer.

No way would Kate kidnap Aaron or take him away from Claire against Claire's wishes -- unless Claire wasn't mentally stable enough to keep Aaron safe any longer.

I can't fathom any other way Kate would end up with Aaron. Claire has to have died on the island before they came back. No other way makes sense to me.

That doesn't make sense to me. It seems inhumane. They would count Claire and Aaron as one because (a) she's his mother, and (b) Aaron is too small to take up any significant room on the helicopter.

Maybe, if six of the Losties are chosen by "lottery" to get on the first helicopter (through picking rocks, or colors, or whatever) - - Kate does draw a lucky rock, but Claire doesn't?

So Claire gives Aaron to Kate (who gets to board the helicopter) so she can get him off the island.

Why would you think they have any humanity in them? You assume all people are good.
If you cover up 815 and say they are all dead when you know they might not be (and allow the pilot's dead body shown without media blockout on the bodies) how is that humane?

Are you referring to the Losties or the nefarious organization(s) behind the whole mess? Because if it's the former, I'm confused as to why you wouldn't assume that Claire and her baby would be treated with kindness by her fellow survivors, with whom she's bonded significantly.

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ETA: Oh, I just re-read that. I think you're referring to whomever (whatever) it was that put the fake plane on the bottom of the Sunda Trench.
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Maybe, if six of the Losties are chosen by "lottery" to get on the first helicopter (through picking rocks, or colors, or whatever) - - Kate does draw a lucky rock, but Claire doesn't?

So Claire gives Aaron to Kate (who gets to board the helicopter) so she can get him off the island.

Nah. I don't think anyone of the O6 would've let that happen. Jack, at least, would've given up his own seat to Claire if it meant that she and Aaron wouldn't have to be separated. I think Sayid would've as well.

yes i'm worried about claire...il hope she's not dead but it looks that way...

I think she stays behind on the island for whatever reason, just like a few other Losties. Don't think she'll die.

It seems like they are setting up for something huge between Kate, Claire and Aaron. How many times now have we been shown Kate declining to even hold Aaron?

It seems like they are setting up Kate's fear of having children in a big way. Every time she has a chance to hold him she declines. Her excuses seem lame. Saying, "I'm not good with babies" is no reason you can't pick him up when he's crying.

In Kate's flashforward, she has done a 180 in her attitude towards Aaron. She doesn't want to be gone from him for too long at the airport scene. She jumps at a deal from the prosecution before trying to negotiate it, so she won't be taken away from Aaron. Her first priority in the meeting with the DA is to avoid jail time. Kate is shown to be a loving "mother" in her flashforwards, and she picks up Aaron and hugs him at the end, something she hasn't done on the show previously.

So my question is what event occurs to make Kate undergo this drastic of a change?

I also think its possible that Locke is holding everyone against their will in the future, and that they have to go back and save them. Hard for me to believe that Locke would hold Claire against her will though. It's one possibility though.

I don't think Claire is dead. I think from the way Jack has reacted to the baby and how messed up he is in later flashforwards, we are beginning to see why. Worse than Claire's being dead would be having left Claire there and taken her baby "to safety." And then telling that lie to the world that there were no other living survivors of the crash. There are obviously survivors left behind on the island, and those who got off and are going about life have basically, for whatever reason that we haven't seen yet, abandoned them.

Nancy....Drew, is it? :biggrin: I think this is a great insight. If Claire dies, then Kate adopting the kid is just doing right by him. And that's not going to send Jack into a drug induced stupor.

I think a key to the explanation to what happens to Claire is in the "time dilation" threads. (lots of sci-fi geekery there, not sure there's a lot of overlap with the "Whaddabout Claire" crowd, but I think Aaron is where those two worlds intersect.)

There's mounting evidence that time moves slower on the island than in the realworld. And time would *need* to be slower to explain how Aaron became (according to the story) Kate's biological child, since from the Losties perspective they've only been gone about three months, and that's not long enough to incubate a baby, even in Eggtown :biggrin:

Thing is, if time is such so that the story works for Kate, the story *can't* work for Claire. Because according to realworld time, her baby should be 1-year+, and yet she's suddenly got an enfant? How do you explain that to the tabloids.

My guess is there's some sort of deal negotiated with very dark and spooky powers whereby a few people are allowed to leave in exchange for publicly maintaining the cover story (In fact, there may be so many realworld suspicions about the fishy nature of the crash, that the spooky powers realize they "need" human witnesses to testify that the plane crashed somewhere else). In any case, Claire will realize that, even if she leaves, she can't assume the identity of Aaron's mum in the real world, 'cause of the whole slow time thingy. So she gives the kid to Kate and says "Well, if I can't be the kid's Mom, I might as well stay behind."

. In any case, Claire will realize that, even if she leaves, she can't assume the identity of Aaron's mum in the real world, 'cause of the whole slow time thingy. So she gives the kid to Kate and says "Well, if I can't be the kid's Mom, I might as well stay behind."

There is no way that any mother would give up her child in this way. Especially one that has endured all the trauma that she has in giving birth, and just getting to the point of giving birth. No way Claire just casually gives up her child in the way you describe.

Seeing all this children kidnapping going on for all seasons, I think what would happen is Claire making some scarifice for the good of Aaron, making him able to leave. She probably wont die, cause that would be just bad taste, but she wont try to rescue herself.

Claire could be dead as the result of something Locke did. Now THAT would be a good drama....and a great tragedy. However, it doesnt jive with Desmond's vision. So whatever happened to Claire happened after she got onto the helicopter.
Wasn't Jack talking during his testimony at Kate's trial about there being 8 people, and how Kate tried to save the other two, but couldn't? Just before Kate stopped him from saying more? Well, Maybe there were initially 8 people who were going to get off the island; maybe Claire was among them and she died for some reason, and so Kate took Aaron, since there would be no one else there for him... just a thought

There is no way that any mother would give up her child in this way. Especially one that has endured all the trauma that she has in giving birth, and just getting to the point of giving birth. No way Claire just casually gives up her child in the way you describe.

Well, she was on that flight to give up her child anyway, right? Besides if the choice is between:

A). Raise your child on an island with smoke monsters and polar bears and Benjamin Linus.

B). Give the kid up and give him a shot at a normal life.

I gotta think B has got to be a pretty compelling argument to a mother's love.
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Wasn't Jack talking during his testimony at Kate's trial about there being 8 people, and how Kate tried to save the other two, but couldn't? Just before Kate stopped him from saying more? Well, Maybe there were initially 8 people who were going to get off the island; maybe Claire was among them and she died for some reason, and so Kate took Aaron, since there would be no one else there for him... just a thought

This is a possible explanation. There are a couple things arguing against it: Kate's mom *seemed* to believe that Aaron was her biological grandchild. And -- in the real world at least -- it's doubtful the government would allow the adoption of a child by a known fugtive and suspected felon. Probably, the kiddo would go to Claire's family. But...... given that the level of realism on the show has gotten a bit shaky with this episode, I wouldn't rule out your theory yet.

I hope that Claire is still alive and maybe for some reason she couldn't leave the island but wanted Aaron to be rescued. There are so many possibilties though and I'm hopeless at trying to guess what'll happen next. :)

I thought that whatever happens on the island to make the Oceanic 6 leave Claire couldn't so she gave Aaron to Kate because she thought he'd be safer in the world. That would be the ultimate act of love for mother to child, Claire couldn't raise Aaron but Kate could. Aaron being separated from Aaron would parallel with Rousseau and Alex and add to the overall sense of tragedy in the flashforwards. Claire is left behind on the island.


So Claire would give Aaron to someone she knows wants no part of kids (see scene from eggtown where Kate can't even touch Aaron) , and has a criminal record taboot! Claire is so dumb , she thinks Kate won't have to stand trial for her crimes when she gets back to the real world? If Claire knew she had to give Aaron to someone to raise him, since she couldn't , why not give him to Sun or Rose or even Jack, since you all are so convinced Jack knows Aaron is his nephew at this point?

If Jack knows Aaron is his nephew, and he obviously has shown he is uncomfortable being by Kate's house with the baby there, then why did he go to great lengths to lie on the stand in her defense? Seems odd, no? I personally think Claire is alive, and Kate probably had no choice but "rescue" Aaron from someone or something? Maybe Locke or Jacob or Ben? Who knows? Which could be why Kate wants no part of going back there? Just an idea?

and Kate probably had no choice but "rescue" Aaron from someone or something? Maybe Locke or Jacob or Ben? Who knows?

Yeah, this is the direction that I'm leaning toward. Somehow Kate found herself to be in a situation that only she could save Aaron. Maybe Claire eventually talks Kate into keeping an eye on Aaron and Kate has no choice but to take the baby with her. ::shrug::

Yeah, this is the direction that I'm leaning toward. Somehow Kate found herself to be in a situation that only she could save Aaron. Maybe Claire eventually talks Kate into keeping an eye on Aaron and Kate has no choice but to take the baby with her. ::shrug::


Which MAYBE would explain why Jack would say some of the things he said on the stand about her ? Possibly?

erm, hate to break it to you all.....but...rumor has it that.....


Kate gets on the helicopter with aaron and one of the Freighter people ask if they can hold aaron. The Freighter man takes Aaron and pushes Claire out of the helicopter. Its just a rumor, its not confirmed true..

I wonder if Jack is having an issue with the baby because of what may have happened to Claire or because he knows that is his nephew (and obv. whatever happened to his sis)

ok, I'm flummoxed by this. How would Jack and Claire EVER find out about their family relationship? Claire refused to hear the man's name when he appeared for the first (?) time in her life on her front doorstep, and she knows nothing about him. And Jack, was he ever told "I fathered a blondie in Australia, if you ever bump into her"? It looks to me like Christian and we, the audience, are the only ones to know about this relationship.
What did I miss, that would make it plausible that they can compare notes and learn that they're related? Help!

Surprised no one has offered this suggestion yet. What if Claire is one of the Oceanic 6? we still do not know who they all are. Was Claire the one in the coffin? Ok as I am writing this I am finding holes in my theory, Jack said he wasn't a relative or friend of the person in the coffin. oh well that theory out the window.

erm, hate to break it to you all.....but...rumor has it that.....


Kate gets on the helicopter with aaron and one of the Freighter people ask if they can hold aaron. The Freighter man takes Aaron and pushes Claire out of the helicopter. Its just a rumor, its not confirmed true..


Wow! Well, I read the spoilers, but I will wait till I actually read it for myself? Either way, I still don't think Claire died at all! And if this is true, why would Jack not want to see the baby? Would seem to me he wouldn't be THAT bothered by it if this scenerio you laid out were true? Just sayin?

Could it be that Jack can't stand to see Aaron because he didn't save Claire, but saved Aaron instead?

The future does not look good for Claire :frown:

Im guessing Claire "accidentally" fell from the copter ride off the island.. jk ; )
Honestly, I hate to think that she's dead. And, umm.. they killed off her BF.
Charlie a beloved character.. so, I dont think they killed her/will.
My only conclusion is that they left Claire on the island.
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ok, I'm flummoxed by this. How would Jack and Claire EVER find out about their family relationship?

I'm waiting for Jack and Claire to get lost in the woods when the apparation of Christian Shepard appears and the script reads:

Jack & Claire: Dad???!!!
Christian: One of you owes the other a Dharma Cola.

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As far as a compelling reason to get Aaron off the island, I'm thinking that kid is likely to be in high demand for hisnspecial properties, having been born on the island. Remember, Ben thought Alex was special enough that he adopted her as his own. Walt was "super special" and he was just a young kid when he arrived. All things considered, I'm thinking the safest place for the tyke is almost certainly anywhere *but* Craphole Island. At least until such time as he's old enough to fend for himself. Then he can make his triumphant return, Aragorn style.

Honestly, I hate to think that she's dead. And, umm.. they killed off her BF.
Charlie a beloved character.. so, I dont think they killed her/will.
My only conclusion is that they left Claire on the island.
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I hate to think Claire is dead, too... Only a theory: what if the freighters kidnapped Aaron? Then Sayid Jack Hurley and Kate (plus someone else) went on the freighter to recover him, only to be trapped inside without any way to find again the road to Craphole Island... Claire can be still alive.

(sorry, my english is very poor... :hide:)

bye! :)
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I hate to think Claire is dead, too... Only a theory: what if the freighters kidnapped Aaron? Then Sayid Jack Hurley and Kate (plus someone else) went on the freighter to recover him, only to be trapped inside without any way to find again the road to Craphole Island... Claire can be still alive.

(sorry, my english is very poor... :hide:)

bye! :)
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Nice theory.
For someone who thinks they have very poor English, you type a lot better than most. lol

I don't like the idea of something bad happening to Clarie, although I wouldn't be heartbroken if something does because she's not one of my favorite characters. One of my theories is that perhaps in some crazy dangerous moment Claire handed Aaron over to Kate to protect him and take him off of the island. I have no theory on why Claire wouldn't be able to get off of the island herself, nor why Kate and the other oceanic 6 have to pretend that Aaron is Kate's son.

erm, hate to break it to you all.....but...rumor has it that.....


Kate gets on the helicopter with aaron and one of the Freighter people ask if they can hold aaron. The Freighter man takes Aaron and pushes Claire out of the helicopter. Its just a rumor, its not confirmed true..
That was confirmed by UFO to be a hoax.

I think that Claire will be presumed dead on the island, or that the O6 will see her "die" in some tragic way and assume that she's dead as they fly away in the helicopter or however they leave, and Kate will happen to be holding Aaron when it happens or may pick him up as a result and leave. I don't think any of the Losties would intentionally seperate Claire and Aaron, but if they thought she was dead, they wouldn't just leave the little dude. So they take him and as the helicopter flies away, the camera pans to Claire and her eyes shoot open. LOST.

I want to be a director :redface:

Maybe, if six of the Losties are chosen by "lottery" to get on the first helicopter (through picking rocks, or colors, or whatever) - - Kate does draw a lucky rock, but Claire doesn't?

So Claire gives Aaron to Kate (who gets to board the helicopter) so she can get him off the island.

A lottery was my thought also. Some how I think the LOST six numbers are involved in the "lottery". Perhaps they do a lottery based on the flight manifest and seat numbers. I know Jack's seat number is one of the LOST numbers. I think Claire survives and is alive on the island.

In fact in Charlie's visit to Hurley at the Sanitarium he tells Hurley he must go back to help them. The "them" I think Charlie refers to is Claire and Aaron.

No way would Kate kidnap Aaron or take him away from Claire against Claire's wishes -- unless Claire wasn't mentally stable enough to keep Aaron safe any longer.
Interestingly, Evi speculated herself in the new official podcast that this might have happened, that Kate took Aaron from Claire. Even though I threw it out there myself, I'm still not sure of what would make this go down.

EvaK, I really like your theory about the O6 being Aaron's rescue party. Interesting.

In fact in Charlie's visit to Hurley at the Sanitarium he tells Hurley he must go back to help them. The "them" I think Charlie refers to is Claire and Aaron.
Yeah, I defenetly think so. Why else would it be Charlie? He is the perfect one to spritually encourage the reunion of his island "wife and son".

I, too, think that the Losties believe Claire to be dead, hence why they don't argue Kate taking the child. Jack discovers the connection soon after, and either feels guilt or Claire, or does not want to see Aaron because he is symbolic of Christian's lies. Somehow, Jack learns (Ben?) that Claire is still alive and hence why he is so dead set on not only getting back, but reuniting her with Aaron to fix the 'raised by another' prophecy.

Kristin stated recently that during Lost's initial story drafting to ABC, the character of Claire's unborn baby would be essential to the island and the end game. I think this is essential to the end game, explaining why Jack was 'never suppose' to call the freighter, getting back to fix the 'end of the world' by reuniting mother and child, and forever changing the Valenvetti equation that pointed to the exact date that the world would end due to an Claireless Aaron.

I think it's interesting that they are building up Kate's dislike of babies so much, making the final scene of Eggtown that much more puzzling. Kate won't even pick up Aaron right now for any reason. It's like he has a disease or something. Her unease around him is palpable.

And then in the flash forward scenes we see her doing everything she can to protect him and make sure she stays with him, and the final thing we see is her FINALLY picking up Aaron.

Something huge must be coming up.

The only reason I don't believe that Claire is dead is the whole "Raised By Another" issue. If that is ever addressed, then I will believe Claire could die, but I don't believe this whole issued ended with Malkin claiming to be a fraud.

Kate did not nefariously "steal" Aaron. There are plenty of other scenarios that could show Aaron leaving without Claire-- most probably one where Claire is NOT given the option of being rescued, and gives Aaron to one of the O6 in hopes that they will soon be reunited. The danger on the island at that moment is apparently too great for the baby.

I also believe that the outside world must believe that Aaron is Kate's biological son. A motherless child with a father and other family to claim him, would NOT be awarded to a felon. At the same time, if Claire were dead, I would assume Kate and the rest of the O6 would try to find Aaron's next of kin and give him to them.

I also have strong suspicions that a time differential on the island would somehow fit with Kate conceiving and giving birth to a child while she was missing.

Aaron could be a reminder to Jack to a stranded/left behind Claire as well as a dead Claire. Jack feels personally guilty for whatever happened to Claire because her current fate is a result of Jack's decision to bring the freightees to the island.

The only reason I don't believe that Claire is dead is the whole "Raised By Another" issue. If that is ever addressed, then I will believe Claire could die, but I don't believe this whole issued ended with Malkin claiming to be a fraud.

Kate did not nefariously "steal" Aaron. There are plenty of other scenarios that could show Aaron leaving without Claire-- most probably one where Claire is NOT given the option of being rescued, and gives Aaron to one of the O6 in hopes that they will soon be reunited. The danger on the island at that moment is apparently too great for the baby.

I also believe that the outside world must believe that Aaron is Kate's biological son. A motherless child with a father and other family to claim him, would NOT be awarded to a felon. At the same time, if Claire were dead, I would assume Kate and the rest of the O6 would try to find Aaron's next of kin and give him to them.

I also have strong suspicions that a time differential on the island would somehow fit with Kate conceiving and giving birth to a child while she was missing.

Aaron could be a reminder to Jack to a stranded/left behind Claire as well as a dead Claire. Jack feels personally guilty for whatever happened to Claire because her current fate is a result of Jack's decision to bring the freightees to the island.

Excellent post, lostorfound. I mean, that says it all. Here, here.

Here is my theory as to where Claire is. Remember when Charlotte asked if Claire had the baby on the island? I think the group that is trying to come to the island will want to know why Claire was able to have her baby on the island, thinking there is something special about her. They keep Claire, but she is able to get Aaron to Kate so they will not be able to take him too. So, I believe that Claire is alive.

has anyone thought that Kate basically took Aaron hostage in order to leave Lockeville. I mean, we know Locke doesn't want her there, and maybe Kate does something else to make the hair on Lockes head stand straight up, thus, Locke comes after Kate and in an attempt to secure her safety she takes Aaron...

just a thought...

OK just my two pence worth but Ijust don't think Claire dies: One Desmond's vision and two it almost seems too convenient killing off both Claire and Charlie. I can't remember but did Desmond actually say he saw Claire on the Helicopter ot getting on the Helicopter?

Anyway the way I see it The Oceanic Six left the Island promising to be right back with help. Claire gave Aaron to Kate expecting to be right along behind them but also feeling that if something did happen then aaron was better off off island.

However upon getting back the conspiracy kicks in the 6 are out of their depth and Kate decides to look after Aaron herself. No wonder Jack is a little queasy about it he's as much to blame as she is. So there it is this has probably been written 30 different way throughout this thread but I just wanted to get it down.