When did she get sick? On the show, it said that she got sick after Kate visited her again, and she had screamed for the police. But it also said that she's been sick for a long time, years if I remember correctly. And she told Kate that everything changed when she found out Kate was still alive. So then...is there a contradiction here or what? I'm so confused about what exactly happened...someone please explain it to me.

Kate's mom said the doctors have been saying she's got 6 months to live for the last 4 years. So I assume she's been sick for about four years. But like you said it doesn't seem to fit in the timeline right, seeing how her mom seemed fine when she saw her last.

Well, she was fine in the last flashback, but I think that flashback took place before the other one, chronologically, where Kate's mom was in the hospital. It depends on how long there was between Kate seeing her mom at the hospital, and going to Australia.

I always thought the last time Kate saw her Mom was when she was in the hospital. There have been other times when WE saw her - serving Sawyer in the diner, talking to Kate in the bathroom. But the time we saw her in the hospital I've always said was the last time KATE saw her mother.

Now - wonder if some nice folks from the Dhama Institute or from Mittelos might have helped her out the past 4 years with her health issues...

Well, in Kate's flashback in Born to Run, her mom was sick, but seemed like she had been sick for a while. We don't know how long her mother had been sick before that, or how long after the rescue her trial would be going on. And even after she visited her mom, she still robbed that bank to get her airplane toy back and traveled to Australia, so some time passed there.

Hold up people....

Kates Mom had 6 months to live and has lived for 4 years. Kates old flashbacks were pretty close to the time the plane crashed....

So..there is some evidence in that statement as to the time difference....

Yes! I posted a thread about this earlier, and how confused I am by the time contrast here.

Definitely has to do with the Time stuff and the island. Aaron's apparent age of 3 or 4 years..... either 4 legitimate years have passed (so we have several more years of the Losties on the island before the O6 leave), or there is major time shifting stuff going on (more than 31 minutes, but I need the Time theory people to come in here and make it all make sene...)

Hold up people....

Kates Mom had 6 months to live and has lived for 4 years. Kates old flashbacks were pretty close to the time the plane crashed....

So..there is some evidence in that statement as to the time difference....

I'm sure you are on to something. What I first thought when she made that statement was that Ben had intervened and kept Kate's mom alive for some reason, ala Juliet's sister. I can't quite figure out why, however.

Kates Mom had 6 months to live and has lived for 4 years. Kates old flashbacks were pretty close to the time the plane crashed....

So..there is some evidence in that statement as to the time difference....

I don't we got any evidence of a time difference from that. How do you know when the flashbacks take place? I didn't think we had any real frame of reference for the flashback when her mother was sick in the hospital. All we know about that is it's after she kills her father, but before she robs the bank. Why couldn't that have been 4 years ago?

We also don't really know how far ahead the flash forward is. Judging from Aaron's size and ability to talk, what's he like 2? So Kate's trial could be 2+ years from "now" (current island time I mean).

Did we ever get any kind of time line confirmation from Kate's previous flashbacks though? Of course the flashbacks of her on the ranch in Australia were close to the plane crash, but what about the flashbacks with her mother.

For instance, do we know how long it was between when she actually killed Wayne, and when she went to visit her mother in the hospital... or how long she was in Australia before the Marshal caught her? Actually, they may have said how long she was on the ranch in Australia, but for the life of me I can't remember. I think all of those things would be very significant in relation to what her mom said about 6 months to live for the last 4 years.

The actor who played Aaron was credited as 2 year old boy. This also doesn't tell us much about the time lapse between leaving the island and the trial starting. Granted a few days or a few months before they leave doesn't make a vast difference in the grand scheme of things. I'm just saying we don't have a whole lot of time line to reference in relation to flash back/forward/island scenes, yet. (Of course I could have missed an obvious time indicator, and am just rambling to make myself look stupid now LOL)

I'm certainly not ruling out any time discrepency ideas, I think that is definitely plausible, if not probable. There's just not enough information yet about how much space is actually between all of these puzzle pieces to take anything for granted.

Yes--- what allergygal said, she was much more concise with her point :) We were typing at the same time apparently.

Yeah I dont think she would be put on trail straight away once she came home from the island.

Not necessarily... They could have come back 3 years ago... and it took this long for the court case to come up.

I get what other people are saying here about us not knowing exactly how much time has passed in certain areas, but I think after reading here that it really was a big clue to us. And I feel like kicking myself for missing it!

2004 + 4 = 2008, and as long as we assume the off-island events are happening nowish, maybe this is telling us that for the survivors, they feel like 6 months have passed, but in the trip back, their route (or bearing) left them 4 years out from where they started. Maybe they didn't stick to the 325 bearing?

For Kate's mom, she is told she has 6 months to live. Maybe 6 months chronologically have passed, but the "jump" home pushed her plane of existence out 4 years. That way, she is close to the end period her doctors predicted and they're not mistaken, and the time shift is explained to some extent. It could also explain her confusion. Maybe the memory loss in Daniel's experiment with the playing cards ties in as well, because he seemed to be having emotional issues with the loss of memory. But it could be from trying to come to grips with a loss of time. Losing 4 years jumping forward could leave an even bigger emotional impact. Maybe enough to drive Jack off the deep end?

2004 + 4 = 2008, and as long as we assume the off-island events are happening nowish, maybe this is telling us that for the survivors, they feel like 6 months have passed, but in the trip back, their route (or bearing) left them 4 years out from where they started.

Somehow, this made me think of how the helicopter hasn't yet made it to the freighter...I don't have it clear in my mind yet, but it seems that this time-craziness is what's keeping Sayid & Des from getting in touch w/ Jack & all.

Remember, too, that Jack said something about how he hadn't seen a Sox game in 3 months...and I thought that the pilot wasn't paying attention at the time and that's why he didn't say anything about a time difference, when he should have.
I hope that made sense...

Hold up people....

Kates Mom had 6 months to live and has lived for 4 years. Kates old flashbacks were pretty close to the time the plane crashed....

So..there is some evidence in that statement as to the time difference....

In "What Kate Did", Kate says she's 24. The night she blew up Wayne.

In Exodus part 1 in the Sydney Airport the Marshal says he has been chasing Kate for 3 years.

Somewhere in between Kate went to see Diane in the Hospital.

According to the timeline on Lostpedia, the following happened in 2002:

"Kate has Tom Brennan help her see her dying mother in the hospital."

hmmm...another "4 years" reference.

Sawyer once said "I made this birthday wish 4 years ago"

Locke told the guy in charge of the walk about that he's been in the wheelchair for 4 years

There's another "4 years" line that I can't remember, but got my attention at the time.

Anyway, I've wondered for a while if there was any significance to 4 years.

When Kate's mom made the statement 'I've had 6 months for the last 4 years"...I think it meant exactly that. The doctor's keep telling her that she has about 6 months to live, but miraculously she keeps on truckin'. Hence why she follows that statement up with "So I don't know how much time I have left"

Sometimes I think ppl read WAY too much into some things. lol

will have to watch again, but I definitely remember a connection being made between Kate's mom's belief that Kate had died, and her miraculous longevity in the face of illness.My first thought was that this was connected to the island's healing ability. It sounded to me like four years had passed since the crash, although that still leaves us with a pretty loose time line. It have also had the feeling that the writers are trying to bring the time line into the present, but I guess we will have to wait and see.

I'm sure you are on to something. What I first thought when she made that statement was that Ben had intervened and kept Kate's mom alive for some reason, ala Juliet's sister. I can't quite figure out why, however.

That's exactly what I thought too!

I don't we got any evidence of a time difference from that. How do you know when the flashbacks take place? I didn't think we had any real frame of reference for the flashback when her mother was sick in the hospital. All we know about that is it's after she kills her father, but before she robs the bank. Why couldn't that have been 4 years ago?

We also don't really know how far ahead the flash forward is. Judging from Aaron's size and ability to talk, what's he like 2? So Kate's trial could be 2+ years from "now" (current island time I mean).


Don't forget - Kate had to recruit bank robbers, and break into the safe deposit box to get the toy plane. Then she has to go to Australia, and spend 3 months on the farm there with Ray. Then gets on 815.

A year or more could have transpired.

There is a 32 minute time delay that we are sure of happend over a 30 second peroid. (The rocket delay )
What should have taken 30 seconds took 32 minutes. ( Or something like that )
The people are still on the helicoper a whole day later. The key will be when we find out if they think they are late getting to the boat.

It wasn't mentioned if the people on the freighter thought their 4 people on the helicoper had crashed because it took so long to hear from them. Of course the guy who asked for the rocket to be sent, had a pretty good idea there was a delay. So maybe the freighter people were expecting a delay in hearing from them.

There is a time delay going on. Just long it is we still need to find out. It you do the math that every 30 seconds adds 30 or 32 minutes to the day. The days add up to fast, unless I was doing it wrong. At that rate they would be years in the future once they got off the island.

Right now I think they get off the island in 2008. That the delay works out so it's present time.

Refresh my memory....do we know how long Kate's mom had been sick before Kate got on 815?

I don't think this has to be explained by the time differential. How long was Kate on the run? We saw her tell her mom (who seemed well) what she had done after the murder, & then, in a later episode, we saw Kate's mom in the hospital asking for help & pointing to Kate. Kate could've easily been gone for years in between the murder & the hospital scene, AND time had passed with her on the lam after she saw her mom in the hospital. Plus the time on the island.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

OMG how cool would it be that the off-island time is the real real-world time of the viewers!? and the on-island time is the show's time! as if we were the ones in the off-island world wondering what happened to Oceanic 815?? bahhhhh. i hope the writers are that awesome!

If everyone would just go back and read a few posts, the answers to the questions you asked about Kate, have been posted just before you asked your question.

Lostpedia says Kate went to see her mom in 2002 when she was in the hospital.
The Marshal had been chasing Kate for 3 years just before they boarded filght 815.

When was the last time Kate saw her mom? Was it when she was helped by Cassidy? Now if that happened closed to 2004 and her mom was in pretty good shape by then...


2004 + 4 = 2008

So was this flashfoward set in 2008, OUR real world time?


But this raised the question, why did it take so long for the justice system to judge Kate? 4 years?

Now, on the other hand, they might have NOT being rescued in 2004....Perhaps closer to 2008?

The question is did they really spent almost 4 years on the island before being rescued or Time OFF the island was a couple of years ahead?????

Anyways, Aaron looked like at least 3 years old, so......:confused:

So, unless he suffered from a sudden growth spur as soon as he was taken off the snowglobe, I would say that he spent at least a couple of years ON the island before being 'rescued'.

So what does it all mean? It means that perhaps we have been fooled into believing that Oceanic 6 were gonna be rescued by the Freighter people, when in fact, rescue might come a couple of years (at least 1.5 to 2) later, by, probalby another 'group' of outisders....

Sometimes I think ppl read WAY too much into some things. lol
Of course! That's the fun of it.:)

ok sam...but even 2002 being the killing...to the time of the flight....end of 2004 would be approximate 3 years... so if she saw her mom in early 2004 before she went to australia until now....it would be 4 years...enough time for 6 months to keep on going and going and going.

my guesstimate is that Aaron was about 2

so even if the flash foward is 1 year thaan the time they got off the island... our baby aaron would be only 18 months...which is close to real time...

so she could not have told them it was claires baby....claires baby would have been 4 by now...(if it is indeed claires baby)

Now - wonder if some nice folks from the Dhama Institute or from Mittelos might have helped her out the past 4 years with her health issues...

I think Mittelos can only cure cancer and the like when they have previously installed an implant that caused cancer-like symptoms. I think Ethan had just come from putting an implant into a sleeping Rachel when Juliet encountered him in the hallway. It was insurance should Juliet want to leave. Just like they put an implant into Claire. Ben is sneaky. :biggrin:

The last time Kate saw her mum before the flight was in the hospital, when she screamed for help. In the FF her mum says that it all changed when she thought Kate was dead. She then "explains" how it changed, saying that the doctors kept telling her she only had 6 months to live, for the past 4 years. So that's what changed.
It also worked as a clue for us-it's been 4 years since the crash, which would place the FF in 2008.

According to Ben, Jacob cured Juliet's sister's cancer. So if that's true then, perhaps, Jacob could have cured Kate's mom as well. Why not?
That's the only explanation I have for it. The last time Kate saw her mom (as Kate said herself "The last time I saw you, you screamed for the cops") she was almost gone. She barely could scream. She had not streght at all.. Not even to stand.

I think she's been sick for at least four years.
From what I can tell Kate's FB order would be - What Kate Did, Left Behind, Born To Run, Whatever the Case May Be, I Do, Tabula Rasa and then her FF Eggtown.
Diana was well in WKD, Left Behind but was sick in Born To Run (this was the last time Kate saw her mother before the crash).
All this leads me to believe that Diana's been sick longer than 4 years. There are people who are sick with cancer now for a long time.

If everyone would just go back and read a few posts, the answers to the questions you asked about Kate, have been posted just before you asked your question.

Lostpedia says Kate went to see her mom in 2002 when she was in the hospital.
The Marshal had been chasing Kate for 3 years just before they boarded filght 815.

Right

But people dont read and thats why there is always confusion around here:biggrin:

The Mother was given 6 months to live in 2002. This was 4 years ago--which makes the FF time 2006

Aaron is about 2 years old

That fits perfectly with a birth in 2004.

So, there is nothing weird about the timeline in what Kates mother said.
What people have to realize is that the entire episode was meant to make viewers think Kate was pregnant--but lied to Sawyer to see if he really loved her. This ruse also included calling him a "Baby"--when a 2 year old is not considered a baby anymore. It was meant to shock

However...many savy Lost fans could see Kates baby was in fact aaron before it was revealed. As it was being foreshadowed througout the episode. Excellent writing allows for this---as it puts the real answer in plain sight while it seeks to steer the viewer off course.

We know there is some time anamoly--we just dont know what.

Important
whenever an episode says something more than once--take notice. 2 times Aaron was mentioned as being a good sleeper. Claire said he can sleep through anything. Thats gonna mean something--maybe it meant is can sleep through the turbelent ride home. My guess is claire does try to go home(as Desmond saw) but cant survive off the Island because of the fertility story line. Once she crosses the barrier the Island can no longer keep her alive.

2004 + 4 = 2008, and as long as we assume the off-island events are happening nowish, maybe this is telling us that for the survivors, they feel like 6 months have passed, but in the trip back, their route (or bearing) left them 4 years out from where they started. Maybe they didn't stick to the 325 bearing?

For Kate's mom, she is told she has 6 months to live. Maybe 6 months chronologically have passed, but the "jump" home pushed her plane of existence out 4 years. That way, she is close to the end period her doctors predicted and they're not mistaken, and the time shift is explained to some extent. It could also explain her confusion. Maybe the memory loss in Daniel's experiment with the playing cards ties in as well, because he seemed to be having emotional issues with the loss of memory. But it could be from trying to come to grips with a loss of time. Losing 4 years jumping forward could leave an even bigger emotional impact. Maybe enough to drive Jack off the deep end?


I thought that in TTLG when we see Jack's FF on the plane and he reads the obit in the newspaper the date was April 2007?? That would mean Jack goes off the deep end before the FF in Eggtown right? :confused:

So it's more like Oceanic '06 ain't it :D

I've had the theory for a long time now that "Born To Run" was actually a flash forward. Now I got no idea what to think.

I always thought the last time Kate saw her Mom was when she was in the hospital. There have been other times when WE saw her - serving Sawyer in the diner, talking to Kate in the bathroom. But the time we saw her in the hospital I've always said was the last time KATE saw her mother.

Now - wonder if some nice folks from the Dhama Institute or from Mittelos might have helped her out the past 4 years with her health issues...

Woah - great thoght. It could be that Mittelos kept her alive to use her against Kate - perhaps they want access to the baby and set this whole thing up. That would explain why her mother wants to see the baby.
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Definitely has to do with the Time stuff and the island. Aaron's apparent age of 3 or 4 years..... either 4 legitimate years have passed (so we have several more years of the Losties on the island before the O6 leave), or there is major time shifting stuff going on (more than 31 minutes, but I need the Time theory people to come in here and make it all make sene...)

I read somewhere on here that the cast includes "2-year-old boy" He looked awfully little to be 4 - I've got a four and a two year old, and am with that age group all the time. I'd say early 3 at the most.
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Sometimes I think ppl read WAY too much into some things. lol

Are we watching the same show? :biggrin:

Welcome to the 'lage.

Diane said it all changed after she thought Kate was dead. That means 2004 to me, maybe even later, depending when they declared there were no survivors from flight 815; and the doctors have been giving her 6 months to live for the last 4 years.

So like Ben promised Juliet:

S3E16 Ben: Every woman on this island needs you. If you choose to stay...I promise you, we will save Rachel's life.
S3E16 Juliet: I want to talk to her. I want to talk to Rachel! I want to talk to her, now!
S3E16 Ben: It's not gonna happen, Juliet, but I can promise you that Rachel is fine.

S3E16 Ben: A little over 2 years ago, to everyone's surprise, Rachel's cancer went into complete remission. Shortly after, she gave birth to a healthy baby boy. His name is Julian. [To the uplink] Okay thank you, Richard. You'll wanna get back here as soon as you can. We may have some new visitors.