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Do you think Jack knows by the time after Kate's trial that Claire is his half sister and Aaron is his nephew?

Absolutely! I can't think of another reason why he'd seem so cold and awkward about seeing the baby after the trial!

I don't know. But I think that, regardless, he feels guilty about whatever happened to Claire.

Yes, and I think that's why he didn't want to go to Kate's house and see Aaron. Claire must be "officially" dead in the ff. So seeing Aaron would be too heartbreaking for Jack. Kate seemed to understand why, so she gently told him that they would be there for him whenever he was ready. Then again, Jack had a weird expression after Kate left. Perhaps he is starting to suspect that Claire might still be alive? (But hasn't said anything to Kate, yet.)

Absolutely! I can't think of another reason why he'd seem so cold and awkward about seeing the baby after the trial!


He might not know about Aaron being his nephew though and him being so cold about aaron is because aaron is a reminder of what happened tro Claire and the others the survivors left behind and are lying about.

Just playing devils advocate with it ;)
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I don't know. But I think that, regardless, he feels guilty about whatever happened to Claire.

Yes, and I think that's why he didn't want to go to Kate's house and see Aaron. Claire must be "officially" dead in the ff. So seeing Aaron would be too heartbreaking for Jack. Kate seemed to understand why, so she gently told him that they would be there for him whenever he was ready. Then again, Jack had a weird expression after Kate left. Perhaps he is starting to suspect that Claire might still be alive? (But hasn't said anything to Kate, yet.)


I agree with both of these theories.

And eyris I like that end theory too :biggrin:

For sure. They wouldnt make Claire his half-sister if they didnt intend on it going somewhere one day. I think Aaron being his nephew is definitely one of the reasons he's being so awkward about seeing him.

I would think that if Jack did know that Aaron was his nephew, that would give him even more of a reason to go and see him - no matter how guilty he might feel about whatever Claire's situation is/was.
I mean, if he's feeling guilty about leaving Claire behind or guilty because he couldn't save her life, wouldn't you think that Aaron being family would 'trump' that?

eta: obviously never having been in a situation like this, it's difficult to say whether that would make it easier or harder.....but personally, i think i would want to see my only real family tie.

(Mods can you make this a poll?)

Do you think Jack knows by the time after Kate's trial that Claire is his half sister and Aaron is his nephew?


I think that is part of the reason that Jack is avoiding going over to visit Kate. He is having a hard time dealing with his past choices- calling the freighter and forcing them to take him from the Island and putting the group at risk. If something did happen to Clarie it is most likely a result of Jack's actions and the events that followed. (Just a theory)

Yes, I think Jack knows that Aaron is his nephew and can't deal with the guilt of whatever happened to separate Claire from her baby.

I think Jack can't live with the guilt that his course of action split the tribe and because of those actions he apparently feels responsible for whatever it is that happens to Claire.
Also, at Comicon, slightwhen asked a question about Jack finding out Claire is his sister this season, they both had bells to cut each other off if too much was being said. Damon went to answer the question, Carlton rang his bell to cut off Damon's answer, so Damon just sat there grinning and nodding his head emphatically indicating a yes answer. (<>..<>)

I would think that if Jack did know that Aaron was his nephew, that would give him even more of a reason to go and see him - no matter how guilty he might feel about whatever Claire's situation is/was.

eta: obviously never having been in a situation like this, it's difficult to say whether that would make it easier or harder.....but personally, i think i would want to see my only real family tie.

My guess is that because the "Oceanic 6" are sticking to what appears to be a fake backstory, Kate might have something to do with why Claire wasn't rescued/didn't survive/etc.

what if at that point in the timeline Jack still doesn't know, and is still under the impression that Kate was pregnant and had sawyer's kid??? what if jack thinks it's sawyers baby and that's why he won't (or can't) go visit???

I don't know if I even believe in this theory, but I just wanted to thro it out there.

I'm not sure if Jack knows Aaron is his nephew or not. Seeing as how Claire is living in the Land of Locke, Jack would not see her much(if at all). And if they did run into each other, how would they possibly figure out that they were related?

No, I don't think he knew.

I just wanted to remind everyone that Jack is Aaron's uncle (remember Christian goes to see Claire's mom. Jack is Claire's half-brother). I guess Jack never finds out he and Claire are related since he doesn't want to see Aaron. I mean he seemed like a normal enough guy that he would want to be in the life of a relative, especially since now he has no one.

Wait Christian Sheppard is Jack's dad?!
Now I'm confused.

ah yes i had forgotten this.

jacks dad goes to oz to see his daughter i think ana takes him if i remember correctly and we see him talking to a blonde haired woman to asking to see his daughter

I guess Jack never finds out he and Claire are related since he doesn't want to see Aaron.I was looking at 2 ways to view his reluctance to see Aaron. 1 He thought Aaron was Sawyer's child or 2 Jack might feel guilty because the escape from the island separated Aaron from Claire, I think #2 is more likely since there would be little reason for Kate to name her child after Claire's Aaron and Jack should have known if Kate carried to term after they left the island. Either way I don't think Jack knows yet that Claire is his half sister.

ah yes i had forgotten this.

jacks dad goes to oz to see his daughter i think ana takes him if i remember correctly and we see him talking to a blonde haired woman to asking to see his daughter

Yes, and Jack's dad shows up and the hospital after Claire and her mother have the car accident and Christian tells Claire that he's her father.

yes we have been discussing this in several other threads, jack doesnt know yet about his relationship with claire but i do believe that he knows in the flash forwards.

I just wanted to remind everyone that Jack is Aaron's uncle (remember Christian goes to see Claire's mom. Jack is Claire's half-brother). I guess Jack never finds out he and Claire are related since he doesn't want to see Aaron. I mean he seemed like a normal enough guy that he would want to be in the life of a relative, especially since now he has no one.



We cant be sure that christian is dead. his coffin was empty (that sure seems like a long time ago) and we see him in hurleys vision of the cabin sitting in jacobs chair.

We cant be sure that christian is dead. his coffin was empty (that sure seems like a long time ago) and we see him in hurleys vision of the cabin sitting in jacobs chair.

Yeah, and what about that Missing Pieces mobi?????

That was kind of weird...

I thought he DID know that Aaron was his nephew, and this reminded him of the dead/stuck-on-the-island Claire, which was why it made it too painful to see him.

We cant be sure that christian is dead. his coffin was empty (that sure seems like a long time ago) and we see him in hurleys vision of the cabin sitting in jacobs chair.
Christian is dead because TPTB have said it on multiple occasions. His is not the only body to go missing; Yemi's also disappeared. The smoke monster can absorb the bodies and take on their form.

Or, Jack and Claire find out they are half-siblings sometime during S4...

...and then Claire is killed. And Jack feels guilty that he was unable to protect his half-sister.

Whenever the rescue happens, Kate brings Aaron with back to the U.S. because she doesn't want Aaron to be left behind on the island...maybe, right before Claire dies, she makes Kate promise to look after Aaron?

So Jack doesn't want to see Aaron because his nephew is a reminder of Claire's (possible/theoretical) death, which Jack feels responsible for. Yet another thing Jack is unable to "fix."

I thought of 2 possibilities on why Jack can't stand meeting baby Aaron:

1. Jack killed Claire and is now unable to look her child in the eyes.

2. He finds out about being Claire's half brother and feels uncomfortable.

But again.. who knows really?! Theories.

I just rewatched "Par Avion" the episode where Clair meets her father. In the scene where they are having coffee Clair asks why he came and he tells here that he came to help. That her mother is neither alive or dead and that it would be in her mother best interest to be helped to die, Clair gets angry and tells him to go, go back to his real family she gets up to leave and turns back and says " You might be my father, and I don't even know your name...and I want it to stay that way. So Clair has no idea that Jack is her brother. There is no evidence as of yet that Jack knows any of this information either.

I thought he DID know that Aaron was his nephew, and this reminded him of the dead/stuck-on-the-island Claire, which was why it made it too painful to see him.

Christian is dead because TPTB have said it on multiple occasions. His is not the only body to go missing; Yemi's also disappeared. The smoke monster can absorb the bodies and take on their form.

You know, with all the stuff we witnessed in the Orchid Station video, and the deal with the polar bear in Tunisia, time travel, the suggestion of multiple realities, etc., it makes me wonder if the TPTB's claim that Christian is dead is only part true. What if the Christian from one reality is dead, but there's another Christian out there somewhere? Maybe that process also explains Charlie's appearance to Hurley, post-death, as well.

I don't know. Just a thought.

Kind of reminds me of an episode of the latest Doctor Who series.

I just rewatched "Par Avion" the episode where Clair meets her father. In the scene where they are having coffee Clair asks why he came and he tells here that he came to help. That her mother is neither alive or dead and that it would be in her mother best interest to be helped to die, Clair gets angry and tells him to go, go back to his real family she gets up to leave and turns back and says " You might be my father, and I don't even know your name...and I want it to stay that way. So Clair has no idea that Jack is her brother. There is no evidence as of yet that Jack knows any of this information either.

True, but Ben and the Others know things about the Losties that no one else knows. (I know this has been brought up before, but...) They knew Sawyer killed that dude in Sydney, when even the local police didn't know it (he was arrested for head-butting the game & fish guy - sorry can't remember his title).

So, I am fairly confident that Ben knows that Jack & Claire are half-siblings and he will pick the right moment to use his knowledge to his advantage, as usual.

So, I am fairly confident that Ben knows that Jack & Claire are half-siblings and he will pick the right moment to use his knowledge to his advantage, as usual. I think that Jack's dad is the only one who knew he had 2 kids; so, unless he left a paper trail for Ben's investigators to find, it would take a medical (DNA) test or some conversations between Claire and Jack to uncover the relationship.

I think that Jack's dad is the only one who knew he had 2 kids; so, unless he left a paper trail for Ben's investigators to find, it would take a medical (DNA) test or some conversations between Claire and Jack to uncover the relationship.

Well, Claire's aunt knew. And Christian said that he used to come to Australia to spend time with them, so I would think that his name would be on the birth certificate, at the very least. IMHO

Also, how do you explain them knowing about Sawyer killing the shrimp guy. Do you think that it was found out about after 815 took off and became news? I just wonder exactly how the Others get ALL of their info.

Jack is professing his love to Kate, who obviously loves him back, but neither will commit because of Aaron. Seems odd, especially since, Aaron is no blood relative to Kate, and Aaron is Jack's nephew.

Well, I think Kate would be willing to pursue their relationship, but she insists that Jack see Aaron first. Why this is important to Kate, and why Jack is unwilling to do it is unclear at this point...maybe Jack feels guilty about what happened (maybe about what happened to Claire). I'm still not sure if Jack knows Claire is his sister yet, but I'm guessing that's at least a possibility at this point...

I thought this was an odd situation as well. Was Jack refusing because he did not want to face his nephew, the son of his half-sister from his father's adulterous affair? Does he not want to see Aaron because he reminds Jack of his mother, Claire? Jack may not want to think about the lie he is living everyday if Claire and others are still alive on the island. Could he believe the baby to be Sawyers? Out of all the explanations that seems to be the least likely. It doesn't even seem plausible. In addition, why is Kate so attached to Aaron now when she would not even hold him in during the scene with Claire? Could she and Claire have bonded over something? Maybe Claire knew should was not going to get off the island and entrusted Kate with caring for him? So many questions, so few anwsers!!!