Okay, it must be well known that when Kate got onto the plane she was not pregnant. But in the FF we see her passing off Aaron as her own child. At first, it might seem possible that she known only to be Aaron's adopted parent, but the way Kate's mom was talking to her really had me convinced that Kate's mom thought Aaron belonged to Kate biologically, with the whole wanting to meet her grandchild before she dies thing.

Now, if this is the case, when did Kate find the time to get 'pregnant'? The losties have been on the island for 100days ish now, and at the rate this show normally goes, it seems unlikely that they are going to spend enough time on the island in the next 3 seasons for the cover story of getting pregnant to be believable. Unless we factor in time dilation. When the get off the island, a number of years has gone by. During those years that the oceanic 6 spent on their island in the south pacific, Kate was impregnated. At least, I'm figuring thats the cover story that the public has heard.

Lends a whole new air to the D.A. asking Jack if he still loved Kate. Maybe the public has been told he's the father....

Okay, it must be well known that when Kate got onto the plane she was not pregnant. But in the FF we see her passing off Aaron as her own child. At first, it might seem possible that she known only to be Aaron's adopted parent, but the way Kate's mom was talking to her really had me convinced that Kate's mom thought Aaron belonged to Kate biologically, with the whole wanting to meet her grandchild before she dies thing.

Now, if this is the case, when did Kate find the time to get 'pregnant'? The losties have been on the island for 100days ish now, and at the rate this show normally goes, it seems unlikely that they are going to spend enough time on the island in the next 3 seasons for the cover story of getting pregnant to be believable. Unless we factor in time dilation. When the get off the island, a number of years has gone by. During those years that the oceanic 6 spent on their island in the south pacific, Kate was impregnated. At least, I'm figuring thats the cover story that the public has heard.

Lends a whole new air to the D.A. asking Jack if he still loved Kate. Maybe the public has been told he's the father....

Yep! Good catch! I was just pointing out this exact same thing to a buddy. Off the Island, everyone thinks Aaron is Kate's son. yet they would also know that Kate wasn't pregnant when she got on flight 815... Pregnancy is 9 months. So even if Kate theoretically got knocked up the same day as the crash (which is doubtful, because who has sex with a stranger right after a plane crash? That's a pretty busy day.) they would have to have been on Island for at least 9 months... plus, Aaron is about 3-4 months old when the Freighter gets there, so we're talking over a year on Island... *BUT*... they've only been on the Island 90-some-odd days based on Island time... *SO*... for their story that Kate is Aaron's mom to work, they *have* to have been on the Island for *at least* 13 months real-world-time. This totally corroborates the theories about time running slower on the Island.

According to Matthew Fox when asked about how much time has passed between the plane crash and the future:
In his interview with comingsoon.net, Fox did offer a hint about the timeframe of the series, when asked how much time had passed on the island since the aeroplane crash.

He said: "If you're going to talk about from Jack in the plane crash to Jack in the future, that's about a year-and-a-half, and Jack on the island now would be about 120 days."

Which is odd because it is day 94ish on the island right now, by our count.

If they have been on the island 3 months, and Kate were to pretend she was pregnant when she arrived there, she would have theoretically been 6 months along already the day the plane took off. Most women are showing well before 6 months. But sometimes, with the right clothes and a poor diet (or life on the run) a sickly woman might not be showing in such an obvious way as a healthy one. So if no one has any pictures of her from a month or two before the plane left Sidney...she could almost pull off the story of it being her own pre-island-conceived baby.

So, with the right details, we could stuff this lie into the time frame we have to work with.

So, with the right details, we could stuff this lie into the time frame we have to work with.

Maybe... But, even still, that's a real stretch, because we have to account for 9 monts of pregnancy and roughly 2.5-3 months of Aaron's age... I really think the on Island coneption/pregnancy/birth story makes more sense, and it fits with all the time dilation theories/Daniel's rocket experiment.

As far as the outside world is concerned, these guys were gone for a lot longer than 100 days. In that time, the cover story that she had a child would be plausible. This is also why Walt is so big. He's been outside the island, where time is at a normal rate. On the island, S-L-O-W. That's my take.

I think they told everyone that Kate's baby's daddy is Jack. That is another part of the "lie" that is gnawing at Jack. If only eight supposedly survived the crash, who else could the father be? Hurley, Sayid, or numbers 6, 7 or 8?

Kate could just have lied and claimed she was three months pregnant on September 22, 2004...and that Aaron was born 2-3 months premature.

We still don't know how soon after Day 94 they actually get off the island.

If you accept the notion that its Claire's son (which im 99.98% sure that the enh-epi will verify), everything adds up..
The real question is how much time passed, since day 96 and when Kate actually gets off the island.

The losties have been on the Island three months.

If they got off 'now' and there was no time distortion, Kate has to explain how she suddenly has a month old baby when there was no sign of pregnancy before the crash.

Yes, she could maybe get away with saying she was up to three months or so pregnant when she got on the plane but that still leaves many months worth of growth of the child unexplained and they would have to wait at least three/four more months before they are officially found.

Whenever the losties show up in the real world, it's got to be long enough after the crash to make it believable that Aaron is Kate's biological child (ie she carried a child to term and gave birth on the Island). But the longer they wait, the more Aaron grows in the meantime and babies develop at a ferocious rate.

Basically, unless there's some time funkiness going on I can't see Kate being able to pass Aaron off as her own.

I think they told everyone that Kate's baby's daddy is Jack. That is another part of the "lie" that is gnawing at Jack. If only eight supposedly survived the crash, who else could the father be? Hurley, Sayid, or numbers 6, 7 or 8?

Yep, totally! I was thinking this as well... that would make sense of Kate's insistence on Jack coming to visit both of them (to keep up the lie), and Jack's reluctance to do so (fuelled by guilt about the lie.)

The losties have been on the Island three months.

If they got off 'now' and there was no time distortion, Kate has to explain how she suddenly has a month old baby when there was no sign of pregnancy before the crash.

Yes, she could maybe get away with saying she was up to three months or so pregnant when she got on the plane but that still leaves many months worth of growth of the child unexplained and they would have to wait at least three/four more months before they are officially found.

Whenever the losties show up in the real world, it's got to be long enough after the crash to make it believable that Aaron is Kate's biological child (ie she carried a child to term and gave birth on the Island). But the longer they wait, the more Aaron grows in the meantime and babies develop at a ferocious rate.

Basically, unless there's some time funkiness going on I can't see Kate being able to pass Aaron off as her own.

Yep. Totally.

Aaron's DNA would even suggest Jack's parenthood/relation as he is the "blood" uncle.

So, we know slowtime is needed in order to get the chronology of the "lie" for the world to believe Aaron is Kate's child.

We don't know what happens to Claire.

But I think it's worth noting that the flipside of the slowtime conunundrum is that Claire *can't* plausibly be Aaron's mom if the Losties are going to lie to the world about the crash. According to realworld clocks, the baby would be a toddler, when in island time Aaron is only a couple of months.

By definition, any story that "works" with Kate as the mom, doesn't work for Claire as the mom.

So, we know slowtime is needed in order to get the chronology of the "lie" for the world to believe Aaron is Kate's child.

We don't know what happens to Claire.

But I think it's worth noting that the flipside of the slowtime conunundrum is that Claire *can't* plausibly be Aaron's mom if the Losties are going to lie to the world about the crash. According to realworld clocks, the baby would be a toddler, when in island time Aaron is only a couple of months.

By definition, any story that "works" with Kate as the mom, doesn't work for Claire as the mom.

The timeline seems very consistant to me, regarding Kate's mom/trial/Aaron/size.
We still need the (x) time from d96 to when Kate and the rest actually left the isle.
But any story that works for Kate, doesnt work for anyone on 815.






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If only eight supposedly survived the crash, who else could the father be? Hurley, Sayid, or numbers 6, 7 or 8?I think 7 or 8. They'd have to have a reason to suggest 2 people died, and one reason would be to explain how Kate got pregnant...

Aaron's DNA would even suggest Jack's parenthood/relation as he is the "blood" uncle.Of course, DNA would also reveal the truth about Kate.

We need to remember that Jack said that 8 people survived the crash (6 of which apparently survive to be rescued). This makes me think that the lie is that Claire survived the plane crash and had the baby on the island but died soon after (explaining why she wasn't around to be one of the 6). Kate adopted this baby and just as any young kid would do with an adult that takes care of them, Aaron calls her "mommy".

The loop hole in this theory is that if the public knows that Aaron isn't Kates child that he would be given back to Claire's family (father of the baby, her aunt, moms maybe still in the hospital). We need just a little bit more evidence to put this together. Also maybe when the 6 are found and returned to the "real" world they have blood tests done and subsequently they figure out that Jack and Aaron share similar DNA. That could be when Jack figures out he is related and this shock keeps him away from Aaron (for whatever reason).

According to realworld clocks, the baby would be a toddler, when in island time Aaron is only a couple of months. .

Aaron is a toddler when we see him in crib at the end of the epi. He talks, he says "Hi Mommy", months old babies don't do that. 18 month olds to 24 month olds do that. According to Lostpedia the child that plays Aaron is listed as 2 year old boy by ABC in the credits. I have verified that in the closing credits so that is an easter egg. The pre show press release listed Aaron as the Child, not baby and not Aaron.They definitely gave us something. So now the time-line on the island can make sense.,

The story could be that Kate was a little bit pregnant on the flight, not have shown to witnesses at the airport or security cameras (got to think they would have her on some film at Sidney Airport) and deliver on the island, not saying who the father is, or gotten pregnant on the island by Jack or ?. Its hard to think that given her notoriety it would have taken 2 years from being discovered/rescued to finally being arraigned. She did need enough time to get the big settlement from Oceanic and buy the nice house in the burbs, before the arraignment. Maybe thats 4- 6 months, Oceanic would want the positive PR in a hurry and would not have dragged that out. She needed to get Aaron situated with a nanny right away. And since she has "one of the most recognizable faces in America" the news cycle on the Oceanic 6 is still going, and even in the world of Lost news cycles don't last too long. So Aaron had to be almost a toddler when they found them.

Does that mean they spent at least another year on island time?

But in the FF we see her passing off Aaron as her own child.How do we know that's Aaron? I must have missed something :confused:

I had assumed the baby was Sawyer's. And the fact that Kate was pregnant on the island, why wouldn't it be her own?

How do we know that's Aaron? I must have missed something :confused:

I had assumed the baby was Sawyer's. And the fact that Kate was pregnant on the island, why wouldn't it be her own?

Because apparently she wasn't pregnant (unless Kate was lying) and the baby's name.
The enh-epi repeat should confirm/debunk this.
We'll have to wait and see.








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